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Josh Jones want out from Pack, great fit for Gmen?

Giantz_comeback : 5/23/2019 6:35 pm
Makes a compelling argument for him as a great fit for Bettchers 'moneybacker' role.


Josh Jones perfect fit for Moneybacker role - ( New Window )
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GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 6:40 pm : link
Absolutely
J.Jones Scouting report - ( New Window )
6'1'' 220  
adamg : 5/23/2019 6:41 pm : link
and runs 4.41

Plus he's part of the wolf pack
From the article  
Giantz_comeback : 5/23/2019 6:55 pm : link
For those who don't know, the moneybacker position is specific to Bettcher's scheme. The origin of this position was in Arizona when Bettcher was the defensive coordinator for the Cardinals and he created a unique role for former collegiate safety Deone Bucannon. This role requires a defensive player with the versatility to attack downhill on the line of scrimmage as a blitzer or to disrupt the run game. It also requires a player with the ability to match up in one-on-one coverage or into space (zone). It also requires a player with the skill set to fill in the run game or at the very least not be a liability against the run.


Jones is a physical and explosive prospect who would also be converting from safety to play this role. From the standpoints of size, length, speed, and explosion, Jones is an excellent fit for this unique role. Jones also has experience impacting the game in all three of the ways listed above required to fill this role in Bettcher's scheme.
Quite  
Jay in Toronto : 5/23/2019 6:58 pm : link
Comprehensive and convincing article.

RE: From the article  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14454166 Giantz_comeback said:
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For those who don't know, the moneybacker position is specific to Bettcher's scheme. The origin of this position was in Arizona when Bettcher was the defensive coordinator for the Cardinals and he created a unique role for former collegiate safety Deone Bucannon. This role requires a defensive player with the versatility to attack downhill on the line of scrimmage as a blitzer or to disrupt the run game. It also requires a player with the ability to match up in one-on-one coverage or into space (zone). It also requires a player with the skill set to fill in the run game or at the very least not be a liability against the run.


Jones is a physical and explosive prospect who would also be converting from safety to play this role. From the standpoints of size, length, speed, and explosion, Jones is an excellent fit for this unique role. Jones also has experience impacting the game in all three of the ways listed above required to fill this role in Bettcher's scheme.


https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/deone-bucannon?position=DB

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/josh-jones?position=DB

Jones actually seems to be slightly bigger/faster ... would be very interesting.
That sounds like an interesting idea that just could work out  
Ira : 5/23/2019 7:01 pm : link
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Isn't that what Jabrill Peppers is for?  
Angus : 5/23/2019 7:03 pm : link
Can the Gints use both?
Based on the scouting reports described...  
Milton : 5/23/2019 7:03 pm : link
He is a great fit for any defense, not just Bettcher's. Which begs the question, why did the Packers make adding two new safeties a priority this offseason? Surely they had other positions to address with a first round pick after adding Amos for big money. So let's put his scouting report coming out of college in the rearview mirror.
Can BBI  
Bill in UT : 5/23/2019 7:08 pm : link
let Gettleman know he might be available?
From Boylhart in 2017...  
Milton : 5/23/2019 7:12 pm : link
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Josh Jones is tackling machine. He can cover as well as any safety and better than some corners in this draft. He has excellent speed and with his long length has the ability to trail and still make plays on the receiver. He can cover those big tight ends and big slot receivers and because he is strong, will tackle them quickly allowing very little run after the catch yardage. You can use Josh in any style defense… zone or in coverage, up close to the line or in a two deep defense or even as a single free safety because of his 6’1” 220 Lbs. 4.4 speed and because he is quick to support the run, tackle and because his instincts are excellent. Josh has the hands to intercept the ball and the strong running skills to bring it back for six.
You wouldn't think that the Packers would be moving on from their former 2nd round pick after just two years if he had lived up to his scouting reports.
From a Packers blog:  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 7:25 pm : link
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The Packers Don't Need Josh Jones

Instead of working hard in the offseason and competing to win significant playing time by showing the necessary development in his game to make a significant impact on the field, he has chosen to take the easy way out by trying to make a powerplay in hopes he will be traded.

Quite frankly, Josh Jones is not a proven player who is good enough to be demanding anything from the organization that drafted him.

Jones is yet another cautionary tale of what happens when you put too high a value on physical tools and not enough value on a high football IQ. He is another player who wowed people with his physical abilities but could not adapt to the systems that he was being asked to perform in...


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Jones is the type of player the Packers need to flush from their culture. He is not a winning player and can destroy a positive culture and good team chemistry before the season begins...


CheeseheadTV - ( New Window )
Coverage has been an issue  
GothamGiants : 5/23/2019 7:27 pm : link
in the NFL - hence the additions of 2 new safeties.
- "Moneybacker", a unique role, would likely maximize his undeniable physical ability.

Hard hitter with 4.4 speed, sign me up if the price is right
Who would he repalce in the Giants lineup  
BillT : 5/23/2019 7:27 pm : link
Is he a replacement for Ogletree?
RE: Can BBI  
BillT : 5/23/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14454179 Bill in UT said:
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let Gettleman know he might be available?

LOL!
RE: Who would he repalce in the Giants lineup  
Milton : 5/23/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14454200 BillT said:
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Is he a replacement for Ogletree?
Sean Chandler.
RE: RE: Who would he replace in the Giants lineup?  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/23/2019 7:46 pm : link
Milton said:
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Sean Chandler.
Cool. Can’t have too many third-string safeties.
RE: From a Packers blog:  
adamg : 5/23/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14454198 Klaatu said:
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Jones is the type of player the Packers need to flush from their culture. He is not a winning player and can destroy a positive culture and good team chemistry before the season begins...

CheeseheadTV - ( New Window )


Yikes. Sounds like DG isn't going to be fishing here.
Schneier doesn’t explain the cap aspect of a trade very well.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/23/2019 8:01 pm : link
He may not even understand it:
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Jones is under team control with a salary cap hit of just $1.15 million in 2019 and $1.34 million in 2020. Jones is still just 24 years old.

Those are Green Bay’s cap hits for Jones in 2019 and 2020. The corresponding figures for an acquirer would be $850K and $1.042M (i.e. just the salary).
RE: Isn't that what Jabrill Peppers is for?  
Jay in Toronto : 5/23/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14454173 Angus said:
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Can the Gints use both?


addresses that in article
So we're getting this guy as a third safety for the v"big nickle"  
BillT : 5/23/2019 8:35 pm : link
I guess that's ok and worth a day three pick. I'm trusting DG to know what they need given how well he's done so far.
Can you imagine if Dalvin Tomlinson stayed away from OTAs...  
Milton : 5/23/2019 8:45 pm : link
...because the Giants drafted Dexter Lawrence? Jones may fit Bettcher's defense, but he doesn't fit Gettleman's locker room.
Can't Tae  
Phil in LA : 5/23/2019 8:51 pm : link
Davis play it?
I'd rather have one of the homegrown newbies play it.  
Klaatu : 5/23/2019 8:58 pm : link
Instead of an underachiever who's already been a pain-in-the-ass for one team. Give Ballantine or Carlock a shot. Save the pick.
A guy coming into his third season  
NYFootballGiants : 5/23/2019 10:15 pm : link
who has yet to live up to the hype and who is publicly requesting a trade? Does this really fit with our culture shift?
Maybe he's...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/23/2019 10:22 pm : link
... The only shining star in the packers locker Room.

Who knows, I'm gonna go ahead and trust the coach and GM on this one.
this all makes me wonder  
SirYesSir : 5/23/2019 11:23 pm : link
why Deone Buchanon didn't sign with us if this moneybacker position is so great. Still confused by that. He goes to Tampa where they have Lavonte David and were talking of drafting Devin White (and did)
DG  
Big Blue '56 : 5/24/2019 7:21 am : link
is on top of this before it becomes a pipe dream for some here. In fact, DG will ALWAYS be one step (or more) ahead of BBI, whether he acts on things or not.
RE: this all makes me wonder  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14454364 SirYesSir said:
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why Deone Buchanon didn't sign with us if this moneybacker position is so great. Still confused by that. He goes to Tampa where they have Lavonte David and were talking of drafting Devin White (and did)


He also played under Arians/Bowles (currently in TB)
When can we expect..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 9:01 am : link
the "Seven Reasons Jones would be a great fit here" threads??
If this guy is a locker room problem, DG will pass - as he should.  
Ira : 5/24/2019 9:18 am : link
Players with elite measurables who don't have the character and drive to develop their talent and play team ball don't help teams do well.
Guys like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/24/2019 9:25 am : link
Jones are littered all over the place as ex-NFL players.

With the atmosphere we've had here over the past few years, we really shouldn't overestimate guys who have physical ability but can't put the work in to grasp the game. How long were people waiting for Damontre Moore to "get it", and when he didn't, we still had people bitching that he was let go.
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