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Golden Tate on Daniel Jones

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2019 9:18 am
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"He's doing a good job," Tate said. "If you just look at talent-wise, the guy has a super, super strong arm. He can move around a little bit. But with quarterbacks, you just never know, you never know because it's such a mental game."

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RE: I'm sure Jones doesn't really have a SUPER strong arm.  
Darth Paul : 5/24/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14454560 Brown Recluse said:
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There's some obvious embellishing there because Tate is a good teammate. But I think thus far its at least obvious enough that concerns about Jones' arm strength throughout the draft process were ridiculously overblown.


Correct, it is Super, Super arm strength.
so does this mean  
Giantsfan79 : 5/24/2019 10:22 am : link
we are off the KC model - one more year of Eli then Jones - for the Packers model - 3 more years of Eli then Jones?
And this is NO Knock on Eli  
Carl in CT : 5/24/2019 10:26 am : link
But if it takes more than 1 year (at this point in Eli’s career) for a number six pick to start over him, then it was not the right pick.
I remember another Giants quarterback who was slow to  
joeinpa : 5/24/2019 10:29 am : link
Process things early in his career. His name was Phil Simms
RE: And this is NO Knock on Eli  
Brown Recluse : 5/24/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14454627 Carl in CT said:
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But if it takes more than 1 year (at this point in Eli’s career) for a number six pick to start over him, then it was not the right pick.


Thats incredibly faulty logic. Hoping you don't need me to waste my time explaining why.
RE: And this is NO Knock on Eli  
nzyme : 5/24/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14454627 Carl in CT said:
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But if it takes more than 1 year (at this point in Eli’s career) for a number six pick to start over him, then it was not the right pick.


Then that would mean you would agree to trade Jones after the season then? No point in keeping him if he's NOT the guy right?
RE: RE: And this is NO Knock on Eli  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14454630 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14454627 Carl in CT said:


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But if it takes more than 1 year (at this point in Eli’s career) for a number six pick to start over him, then it was not the right pick.



Thats incredibly faulty logic. Hoping you don't need me to waste my time explaining why.


Consider the poster...
RE: ...  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/24/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14454605 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Really hoping DJ becomes great. The amount of abuse & vitriol this kid has taken has been over the top.


You're right. I haven't seen a QB put under a microscope like this and take so much unwarranted criticism since... Eli Manning.
RE: RE: Tate has been raving about everybody...  
Klaatu : 5/24/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14454559 jestersdead said:
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Hard to tell how much of it is sincere and how much is him just being a good teammate.



receivers talking positively about a QB....shocking


Man, does Jones suck, but on the plus side, I'll probably be outa here by the time he's ready to start.
RE: Tate has been raving about everybody...  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14454555 Milton said:
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Hard to tell how much of it is sincere and how much is him just being a good teammate.


The concern in some circles is exactly what Tate brought up. I saw a QB in Senior Bowl week that seemed to at times struggle with processing quickly what he saw on the field. It is practically my only concern of all of Jones' makeup.

However that concern is a big one. He learned under the best in Cutcliffe so if their is a ' speed of mental processing' issue it is unlikely to magically get better in the Pro game.

Again its waaaay early but you hear he is processing a little slowly right now. Is it a result of simply getting acclimated to the system? Quite possible. Or is it partially because he is not gifted in processing the field quickly either? Or a combination of both.

RE: The biggest knock wasn't arm strength  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14454583 Milton said:
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It was mental processing speed. He appeared indecisive at times and a beat late getting the ball out of his hand. That kind of hesitancy can be the result of things other than processing speed, it could simply be a lack of trust in the receiver, or some other communication issue that has nothing to do with his processing speed. He scored 37 on the wonderlic so that's encouraging.

Paul Emery had this to say...

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As he played for David Cutcliffe at Duke, people assume he’s great in terms of football intelligence – but what I see on tape is the opposite. When his first read isn’t there, he’s hesitant and holds the ball too long. He then takes far too many sacks. His footwork and mechanics are okay, but they look a little deliberate to me. His arm is okay, but on deeper balls he can’t make the Drew Lock type throw and it’s more touched in, which will give NFL safeties time to make a play on the ball.


Sy'56 had this to say...

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However, there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent....Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based.


The draftniks seem to give him credit for enough arm strength, decent but not great accuracy, good athletic ability, good mechanics, top notch toughness and leadership, but most question his mental game in one way or another. We will see, it could be a confidence issue in terms of his teammates being overmatched. That won't be the case in the NFL (i.e, it won't be Duke vs Alabama).


If anything prevents Jones from becoming a top QB its going to be the concerns that Emery and Sy reflected above.

I waffle on him a lot because their is alot to like but we passed up Josh Allen for him. And you wonder if the Giants were blinded by all the other stuff he brought to the table character wise.
As many of you  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2019 10:41 am : link
I was shocked that Jones was the pick. Not because I don't think he's good but because Josh Allen was on the board. I would have been very happy with Jones at 17 or with a trade up. My only real concern with Jones was his arm strength. I wasn't sure if he had enough to be a true franchise QB. Could he handle throwing in the windy winter months at home?

With each passing practice I get more excited about Jones' upside because I have seen several new reports praising his arm strength.

As for his frame, Eli was 5 lbs lighter when he was drafted. One of the benefits of Jones sitting is that he will have time to add size to his frame before he is called upon to start.
RE: RE: The biggest knock wasn't arm strength  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14454644 Giantz_comeback said:
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It was mental processing speed. He appeared indecisive at times and a beat late getting the ball out of his hand. That kind of hesitancy can be the result of things other than processing speed, it could simply be a lack of trust in the receiver, or some other communication issue that has nothing to do with his processing speed. He scored 37 on the wonderlic so that's encouraging.

Paul Emery had this to say...

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As he played for David Cutcliffe at Duke, people assume he’s great in terms of football intelligence – but what I see on tape is the opposite. When his first read isn’t there, he’s hesitant and holds the ball too long. He then takes far too many sacks. His footwork and mechanics are okay, but they look a little deliberate to me. His arm is okay, but on deeper balls he can’t make the Drew Lock type throw and it’s more touched in, which will give NFL safeties time to make a play on the ball.


Sy'56 had this to say...

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However, there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent....Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based.


The draftniks seem to give him credit for enough arm strength, decent but not great accuracy, good athletic ability, good mechanics, top notch toughness and leadership, but most question his mental game in one way or another. We will see, it could be a confidence issue in terms of his teammates being overmatched. That won't be the case in the NFL (i.e, it won't be Duke vs Alabama).



If anything prevents Jones from becoming a top QB its going to be the concerns that Emery and Sy reflected above.

I waffle on him a lot because their is alot to like but we passed up Josh Allen for him. And you wonder if the Giants were blinded by all the other stuff he brought to the table character wise.


It’s a concern for sure ... although I wonder how much of that was due to the terrible OL “protection” and the general lack of separation his WRs could get (not to mention dropping a ton of the passes)
They said lot's of good things about Leleta  
NephilimGiants : 5/24/2019 10:46 am : link
I wonder if he gets #2 spot
RE: .  
bw in dc : 5/24/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14454580 arcarsenal said:
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Arm strength was one of my biggest concerns with DJ. If it turns out to really not be something that hampers him at the NFL level, I think he has a good chance to be a pretty good player.

I just need to see him push the ball outside the hash marks with some zip. I'm not worried about his deep ball.


This is right. We should be skeptical about Jones's ability to drive the ball with zip and accuracy to the outside. That's the arm strength debate. No whether Jones can loft it downfield 50+ yards.

The knock on Jones for processing speed is an interesting one  
Heisenberg : 5/24/2019 10:51 am : link
Because quite notably Cutcliffe has been clear that the QB has to get rid of the ball in 2.8 seconds and it's not like Jones had a ton of time to sit in the pocket and mull over options. I'm not a scout, by any means, but it hasn't seemed to me that he's indecisive at all.

We will really find out if he can play fast when he's playing in actual NFL games and the bullets are flying.
RE: The knock on Jones for processing speed is an interesting one  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14454668 Heisenberg said:
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Because quite notably Cutcliffe has been clear that the QB has to get rid of the ball in 2.8 seconds and it's not like Jones had a ton of time to sit in the pocket and mull over options. I'm not a scout, by any means, but it hasn't seemed to me that he's indecisive at all.

We will really find out if he can play fast when he's playing in actual NFL games and the bullets are flying.


I think it’s more related to identifying “hot reads” and/or adjusting to a presnap disguised coverage, he’s smart and great under pressure so I think it will improve in time... there will be ugly moments (like Darnold lobbing a pass across the field for a pick 6 on his first attempt ugly), I just want them to occur this year so we can start the resurrection of this franchise properly next year - Jones year 2, full draft, cap room
RE: RE: RE: The biggest knock wasn't arm strength  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14454651 GothamGiants said:
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It was mental processing speed. He appeared indecisive at times and a beat late getting the ball out of his hand. That kind of hesitancy can be the result of things other than processing speed, it could simply be a lack of trust in the receiver, or some other communication issue that has nothing to do with his processing speed. He scored 37 on the wonderlic so that's encouraging.

Paul Emery had this to say...

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As he played for David Cutcliffe at Duke, people assume he’s great in terms of football intelligence – but what I see on tape is the opposite. When his first read isn’t there, he’s hesitant and holds the ball too long. He then takes far too many sacks. His footwork and mechanics are okay, but they look a little deliberate to me. His arm is okay, but on deeper balls he can’t make the Drew Lock type throw and it’s more touched in, which will give NFL safeties time to make a play on the ball.


Sy'56 had this to say...

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However, there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent....Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based.


The draftniks seem to give him credit for enough arm strength, decent but not great accuracy, good athletic ability, good mechanics, top notch toughness and leadership, but most question his mental game in one way or another. We will see, it could be a confidence issue in terms of his teammates being overmatched. That won't be the case in the NFL (i.e, it won't be Duke vs Alabama).



If anything prevents Jones from becoming a top QB its going to be the concerns that Emery and Sy reflected above.

I waffle on him a lot because their is alot to like but we passed up Josh Allen for him. And you wonder if the Giants were blinded by all the other stuff he brought to the table character wise.



It’s a concern for sure ... although I wonder how much of that was due to the terrible OL “protection” and the general lack of separation his WRs could get (not to mention dropping a ton of the passes)


Gotham entirely possible but my initial take when I truly saw his all around game was what Emery and Sy saw. Senior Bowl only reinforced it. I dont think he is as gifted as Eli in the speed of the mental processing and seeing the whole field. It could limit his upside quite a bit. Obviously I hope it was more due to the things you mentioned. Becuase they arent many other things he lacks to be an excellent QB. You noticed with Goff when all things are operating well he is good but he is not a Brady or Manning.

Now we will see with Jones because some tape shows otherwise. The consistency with him will be key
RE: The biggest knock wasn't arm strength  
Johnny5 : 5/24/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14454583 Milton said:
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It was mental processing speed. He appeared indecisive at times and a beat late getting the ball out of his hand. That kind of hesitancy can be the result of things other than processing speed, it could simply be a lack of trust in the receiver, or some other communication issue that has nothing to do with his processing speed. He scored 37 on the wonderlic so that's encouraging.

Paul Emery had this to say...

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As he played for David Cutcliffe at Duke, people assume he’s great in terms of football intelligence – but what I see on tape is the opposite. When his first read isn’t there, he’s hesitant and holds the ball too long. He then takes far too many sacks. His footwork and mechanics are okay, but they look a little deliberate to me. His arm is okay, but on deeper balls he can’t make the Drew Lock type throw and it’s more touched in, which will give NFL safeties time to make a play on the ball.


Sy'56 had this to say...

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However, there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent....Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based.


The draftniks seem to give him credit for enough arm strength, decent but not great accuracy, good athletic ability, good mechanics, top notch toughness and leadership, but most question his mental game in one way or another. We will see, it could be a confidence issue in terms of his teammates being overmatched. That won't be the case in the NFL (i.e, it won't be Duke vs Alabama).

Yep, I never questioned his arm strength, I always thought it was good enough. But these are the reviews that had(have) me nervous. But it's all speculation... we shall see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The biggest knock wasn't arm strength  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14454687 Giantz_comeback said:
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It was mental processing speed. He appeared indecisive at times and a beat late getting the ball out of his hand. That kind of hesitancy can be the result of things other than processing speed, it could simply be a lack of trust in the receiver, or some other communication issue that has nothing to do with his processing speed. He scored 37 on the wonderlic so that's encouraging.

Paul Emery had this to say...

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As he played for David Cutcliffe at Duke, people assume he’s great in terms of football intelligence – but what I see on tape is the opposite. When his first read isn’t there, he’s hesitant and holds the ball too long. He then takes far too many sacks. His footwork and mechanics are okay, but they look a little deliberate to me. His arm is okay, but on deeper balls he can’t make the Drew Lock type throw and it’s more touched in, which will give NFL safeties time to make a play on the ball.


Sy'56 had this to say...

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However, there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent....Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based.


The draftniks seem to give him credit for enough arm strength, decent but not great accuracy, good athletic ability, good mechanics, top notch toughness and leadership, but most question his mental game in one way or another. We will see, it could be a confidence issue in terms of his teammates being overmatched. That won't be the case in the NFL (i.e, it won't be Duke vs Alabama).



If anything prevents Jones from becoming a top QB its going to be the concerns that Emery and Sy reflected above.

I waffle on him a lot because their is alot to like but we passed up Josh Allen for him. And you wonder if the Giants were blinded by all the other stuff he brought to the table character wise.



It’s a concern for sure ... although I wonder how much of that was due to the terrible OL “protection” and the general lack of separation his WRs could get (not to mention dropping a ton of the passes)



Gotham entirely possible but my initial take when I truly saw his all around game was what Emery and Sy saw. Senior Bowl only reinforced it. I dont think he is as gifted as Eli in the speed of the mental processing and seeing the whole field. It could limit his upside quite a bit. Obviously I hope it was more due to the things you mentioned. Becuase they arent many other things he lacks to be an excellent QB. You noticed with Goff when all things are operating well he is good but he is not a Brady or Manning.

Now we will see with Jones because some tape shows otherwise. The consistency with him will be key


Agreed ... Physically, Jones has it all. Size, mobility, arm strength - checks a lot of boxes.
- His “weaknesses” are an interesting case, as his cast was so awful that it’s hard to discern the extent to which it was Jones’ fault

I look forward to seeing him in action. He’s got an exciting skillset and Shurmur’s brought out the best in a lot of QBs ... cautiously optimistic. I expect a lot of ugly throws, which is why I want to get those rookie bumps and bruises out of the way ASAP. Entering Year 2 with some live NFL reps will go along way towards knowing if he could be “the guy”

I’m hopefull that a freak like Engram/Saquon at his disposal with reliable guys like Tate/Shep will calm some of my concerns with his processing speed. He’s smart and thrived under constant pressure - I think he’ll be ok
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Blue21 : 5/24/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14454635 Scuzzlebutt said:
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Really hoping DJ becomes great. The amount of abuse & vitriol this kid has taken has been over the top.



You're right. I haven't seen a QB put under a microscope like this and take so much unwarranted criticism since... Eli Manning.


+1
BBI...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/24/2019 11:14 am : link
...says, ignore the GM, ignore the coach, ignore other coaches, ignore the teammates...
...listen to the experts posting here, in the Corner Forum.

Got it!?
RE: You never know  
Dr. D : 5/24/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14454588 since1925 said:
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Is much less than a ringing endorsement.

you left out the part "because it's such a mental game."

FWIW, Daniel earned the highest Wonderlic score of any of the drafted QBs (not including the one who took it twice). I believe it was significantly higher than Haskins and Murray.
RE: RE: You never know  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14454767 Dr. D said:
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Is much less than a ringing endorsement.


you left out the part "because it's such a mental game."

FWIW, Daniel earned the highest Wonderlic score of any of the drafted QBs (not including the one who took it twice). I believe it was significantly higher than Haskins and Murray.


Wonderlic has little to do with processing speed and vision on a football field. There is little correlation in live game action. Picking up and understanding all concepts in a playbook is one thing. Processing them as rhey unfold before you with defenses showing different looks all in 3 sec or less is entirely another.
I agree with the sentiment  
AcesUp : 5/24/2019 11:41 am : link
that his arm strength isn't the concern, it's his processing. He's clearly a very a left-brained kid, which coaches are sure to love but could limit his upside unless he's able to diagnose and run through that mental script quickly like a Brady or Peyton.
i think jones is probably throwing too hard in OTA's  
Platos : 5/24/2019 11:43 am : link
remember Eli's first year? that thing would ricochet right off guys numbers.
RE: BBI...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14454727 Brown_Hornet said:
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...says, ignore the GM, ignore the coach, ignore other coaches, ignore the teammates...
...listen to the experts posting here, in the Corner Forum.

Got it!?


Coaches dont give honest assessments of players through the media. This isnt a new thing. It's been reality forever. Teammates don't criticize other teammates unless its Tiki Barber opining that Strahan was overpaid. There are rare exceptions.
So now the inhouse critics have moved on from arm strength  
PatersonPlank : 5/24/2019 11:58 am : link
to "processing speed"? Well at least its an improvement I guess. So where do we go after processing speed then?

Give the kid a break, he looks like a dam good prospect.
Mrs. Golden Tate.  
Beezer : 5/24/2019 12:01 pm : link

You're welcome.
Tate netting out judging QB prospects  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/24/2019 12:05 pm : link
Unlike the unhinged Darnold and Rosen cultists on this site, and something the pros often get wrong.

Gotta feel good though about a big brained mobile Tom Brady.
RE: So now the inhouse critics have moved on from arm strength  
GothamGiants : 5/24/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14454825 PatersonPlank said:
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to "processing speed"? Well at least its an improvement I guess. So where do we go after processing speed then?

Give the kid a break, he looks like a dam good prospect.


Thank you, although I do enjoy the never ending progression

“Jones sucks ... OK he doesnt totally suck but still ... Ok he has ideal size and is athletic ... OK his arm sucks though ... OK his arm doesn’t suck but he’s inaccurate ... Ok he’s actually accurate with notable precise ball placement ... Processing speed ... yeah, processing speed.”

Looking forward to the next one
RE: So now the inhouse critics have moved on from arm strength  
AcesUp : 5/24/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14454825 PatersonPlank said:
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to "processing speed"? Well at least its an improvement I guess. So where do we go after processing speed then?

Give the kid a break, he looks like a dam good prospect.


Can we evolve past the thinking that every criticism of a player or this team is a result of some hive minded pessimism? These posts are obnoxious.
People who did not like the pick  
TMS : 5/24/2019 12:22 pm : link
have been harping on this weak arm BS since the draft, his arm strength was recorded at the combine and is fine. Better that Hodgkins. and many others including Peyton. Find something else to bitch about.
We have a veteran receiver who is actually  
joeinpa : 5/24/2019 12:43 pm : link
Catching passes from the quarterback say it s a “Super Strong Arm”

We have fans on bbi who may or may not have seen Jones play live, but certainly have never caught a pass thrown from him counter, “ Well, it s not super strong”

Priceless bbi
RE: RE: So now the inhouse critics have moved on from arm strength  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14454847 AcesUp said:
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to "processing speed"? Well at least its an improvement I guess. So where do we go after processing speed then?

Give the kid a break, he looks like a dam good prospect.



Can we evolve past the thinking that every criticism of a player or this team is a result of some hive minded pessimism? These posts are obnoxious.


It is a though shared by Sy, Emery and a few others. There are many qualities to like about Jones but this is one of legit concern. In a certain system or environment he may flourish we shall see.
RE: i think jones is probably throwing too hard in OTA's  
Giantz_comeback : 5/24/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14454803 Platos said:
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remember Eli's first year? that thing would ricochet right off guys numbers.


Eli was in an infinitely less QB friendly and more complicated system vs. the player friendly one Shurmur runs.
The arm strength gets talked about way too much  
BSIMatt : 5/24/2019 2:22 pm : link
With Jones. If it was truly an issue he’d never be getting looks as a first round quarterback, let alone the Giants taking him at 6. If an analyst says a guy doesn’t have an elite arm, or a power arm fans translate that as arm strength being a concern, which is wrong...it’s never been a concern.
RE: so does this mean  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/24/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14454622 Giantsfan79 said:
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we are off the KC model - one more year of Eli then Jones - for the Packers model - 3 more years of Eli then Jones?


There is zero chance that they give Eli an extension with Jones on the roster. No way is Jones not starting 2020. It's very likely he is the starter before this year is over.
Can we find....  
HoustonGiant : 5/24/2019 3:19 pm : link
what the experts said about Eli?

I see a bigger version of Brees. Brees had nothing but garbage surrounding him but managed to make something out of nothing. Actually, Brees probably had a little more talent.
Everyday there is so much bullshit posted here and repeated over and  
arniefez : 5/24/2019 3:38 pm : link
over again. The Belichick and Parcells and George Young stuff is the worst offender but today on this thread let's go with the Phil Simms stuff

1. Phil Simms was unknown to fans (no ESPN, no internet, no draft industry hype) but very well known to NFL teams. It was no surprise to anyone in the NFL that he was a top 10 draft pick.

2. Phil Simms had a rocket arm and was a great athlete. Not a good arm not a good athlete. He was elite to use an Eli term in both areas.

3. He had no issue "processing the NFL" He was a star right away in his rookie year. The Giants didn't protect him and his career was almost over before it started because of the beatings he took before 1984. It also is the reason he didn't compile enough stats to make the HOF.

As far as Daniel Jones goes he is what the Mara's want their QB to be. He was drafted 100% for that reason alone. The Mara's have been operating this way for generations. See Tucker Frederickson and Gale Sayers in 1965. This is who they are. Let's hope Jones can play.
RE: .  
Bluesbreaker : 5/24/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14454580 arcarsenal said:
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Arm strength was one of my biggest concerns with DJ. If it turns out to really not be something that hampers him at the NFL level, I think he has a good chance to be a pretty good player.

I just need to see him push the ball outside the hash marks with some zip. I'm not worried about his deep ball.


Exactly my sentiments and really because some have
questioned that but I have never seen any proof of that
. Is his arm as strong as Eli's ? Whom I don't remember
anyone saying wow about that . Eli played better competition even though Jones faced Clemson who likely
had one of the best College defenses of all time .
They were like 8 deep on the defensive line .
Until we see him make a few of those throws were really
don't know . I think he will be fine and he is in an
ideal situation .
Eli’s mental prowess  
Dave on the UWS : 5/24/2019 8:46 pm : link
was so great his first year he had a 0.0 QB rating (against the Ravens). Jones “May” be slow to process. We really don’t know. One thing is certain. If we see it, and the draft gurus do, the Shurmur and DG must also- and were not deterred.
RE: RE: BBI...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/24/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14454821 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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...says, ignore the GM, ignore the coach, ignore other coaches, ignore the teammates...
...listen to the experts posting here, in the Corner Forum.

Got it!?



Coaches dont give honest assessments of players through the media. This isnt a new thing. It's been reality forever. Teammates don't criticize other teammates unless its Tiki Barber opining that Strahan was overpaid. There are rare exceptions.

Way to make my point.

Everyone look at the critic...
...he has something important to say!
RE: Everyday there is so much bullshit posted here and repeated over and  
joeinpa : 5/24/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14455098 arniefez said:
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over again. The Belichick and Parcells and George Young stuff is the worst offender but today on this thread let's go with the Phil Simms stuff

1. Phil Simms was unknown to fans (no ESPN, no internet, no draft industry hype) but very well known to NFL teams. It was no surprise to anyone in the NFL that he was a top 10 draft pick.

2. Phil Simms had a rocket arm and was a great athlete. Not a good arm not a good athlete. He was elite to use an Eli term in both areas.

3. He had no issue "processing the NFL" He was a star right away in his rookie year. The Giants didn't protect him and his career was almost over before it started because of the beatings he took before 1984. It also is the reason he didn't compile enough stats to make the HOF.

As far as Daniel Jones goes he is what the Mara's want their QB to be. He was drafted 100% for that reason alone. The Mara's have been operating this way for generations. See Tucker Frederickson and Gale Sayers in 1965. This is who they are. Let's hope Jones can play.


Phil Simms definitely was a great athlete with a great arm. But early on in his career he was often criticized for and guilty of “bird-dogging “ receivers, that s a fact.

For the record in my opinion Phil is the greatest Giants quarterback of all time, so that was not meant as a criticism of him, but I remember well what he was criticized for early on
RE: Putting the arm strength debate aside, I have no doubt that the Giants  
short lease : 5/25/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14454579 Ivan15 said:
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Picked the QB most likely to succeed.



+1
i have the answer....  
Platos : 5/25/2019 1:48 am : link
Until we see him in preseason, I don't think we know a lot about him  
GeofromNJ : 5/26/2019 12:03 am : link
Pat Traina was concerned about the lack of an instantaneous release. Preseason will tell us if this is true. In addition, I want to see the ability to throw the out and not get intercepted, throw the home run and not have it hang in the air, throw a bullet over the middle that can thread a defense, and throw accurately while on the run. I think the ability to read defenses will come with time.
SY said he would pass on DJones. David TE  
giantstock : 5/26/2019 2:55 am : link
Said the pick will eventually lead DG to get run out of town.

But the experts on BBI seem to want to ignore them and criticize those who tend to think SY and David TE were right. -- ummm ok.
What I find interesting is that there are some posters on...  
Crispino : 5/28/2019 7:14 am : link
the board, as well as people in the media and other “fans” I know who, will actually root against the kid just so they can say they were right for not liking the pick.
RE: SY said he would pass on DJones. David TE  
GothamGiants : 5/28/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14455858 giantstock said:
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Said the pick will eventually lead DG to get run out of town.

But the experts on BBI seem to want to ignore them and criticize those who tend to think SY and David TE were right. -- ummm ok.


and Gil Brandt loves him ... and Cosell's scouting report on the positives to his game are exactly what you want in a QB ... guess we'll see who's right

Sy decided to give Jones a grade barely below Sam Darnold, fyi (81 v 80)
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