Golden Tate on Daniel Jones

In comment 14454803 Platos said:

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remember Eli's first year? that thing would ricochet right off guys numbers.

Eli was in an infinitely less QB friendly and more complicated system vs. the player friendly one Shurmur runs.

With Jones. If it was truly an issue he’d never be getting looks as a first round quarterback, let alone the Giants taking him at 6. If an analyst says a guy doesn’t have an elite arm, or a power arm fans translate that as arm strength being a concern, which is wrong...it’s never been a concern.

In comment 14454622 Giantsfan79 said:

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we are off the KC model - one more year of Eli then Jones - for the Packers model - 3 more years of Eli then Jones?

There is zero chance that they give Eli an extension with Jones on the roster. No way is Jones not starting 2020. It's very likely he is the starter before this year is over.

what the experts said about Eli?

I see a bigger version of Brees. Brees had nothing but garbage surrounding him but managed to make something out of nothing. Actually, Brees probably had a little more talent.

over again. The Belichick and Parcells and George Young stuff is the worst offender but today on this thread let's go with the Phil Simms stuff

1. Phil Simms was unknown to fans (no ESPN, no internet, no draft industry hype) but very well known to NFL teams. It was no surprise to anyone in the NFL that he was a top 10 draft pick.

2. Phil Simms had a rocket arm and was a great athlete. Not a good arm not a good athlete. He was elite to use an Eli term in both areas.

3. He had no issue "processing the NFL" He was a star right away in his rookie year. The Giants didn't protect him and his career was almost over before it started because of the beatings he took before 1984. It also is the reason he didn't compile enough stats to make the HOF.

As far as Daniel Jones goes he is what the Mara's want their QB to be. He was drafted 100% for that reason alone. The Mara's have been operating this way for generations. See Tucker Frederickson and Gale Sayers in 1965. This is who they are. Let's hope Jones can play.

In comment 14454580 arcarsenal said:

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Arm strength was one of my biggest concerns with DJ. If it turns out to really not be something that hampers him at the NFL level, I think he has a good chance to be a pretty good player. I just need to see him push the ball outside the hash marks with some zip. I'm not worried about his deep ball.

Exactly my sentiments and really because some have
questioned that but I have never seen any proof of that
. Is his arm as strong as Eli's ? Whom I don't remember
anyone saying wow about that . Eli played better competition even though Jones faced Clemson who likely
had one of the best College defenses of all time .
They were like 8 deep on the defensive line .
Until we see him make a few of those throws were really
don't know . I think he will be fine and he is in an
ideal situation .

was so great his first year he had a 0.0 QB rating (against the Ravens). Jones “May” be slow to process. We really don’t know. One thing is certain. If we see it, and the draft gurus do, the Shurmur and DG must also- and were not deterred.

In comment 14454821 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14454727 Brown_Hornet said: Quote: ...says, ignore the GM, ignore the coach, ignore other coaches, ignore the teammates... ...listen to the experts posting here, in the Corner Forum. Got it!? Coaches dont give honest assessments of players through the media. This isnt a new thing. It's been reality forever. Teammates don't criticize other teammates unless its Tiki Barber opining that Strahan was overpaid. There are rare exceptions.

Way to make my point.

Everyone look at the critic...
...he has something important to say!

In comment 14455098 arniefez said:

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over again. The Belichick and Parcells and George Young stuff is the worst offender but today on this thread let's go with the Phil Simms stuff 1. Phil Simms was unknown to fans (no ESPN, no internet, no draft industry hype) but very well known to NFL teams. It was no surprise to anyone in the NFL that he was a top 10 draft pick. 2. Phil Simms had a rocket arm and was a great athlete. Not a good arm not a good athlete. He was elite to use an Eli term in both areas. 3. He had no issue "processing the NFL" He was a star right away in his rookie year. The Giants didn't protect him and his career was almost over before it started because of the beatings he took before 1984. It also is the reason he didn't compile enough stats to make the HOF. As far as Daniel Jones goes he is what the Mara's want their QB to be. He was drafted 100% for that reason alone. The Mara's have been operating this way for generations. See Tucker Frederickson and Gale Sayers in 1965. This is who they are. Let's hope Jones can play.

Phil Simms definitely was a great athlete with a great arm. But early on in his career he was often criticized for and guilty of “bird-dogging “ receivers, that s a fact.

For the record in my opinion Phil is the greatest Giants quarterback of all time, so that was not meant as a criticism of him, but I remember well what he was criticized for early on

In comment 14454579 Ivan15 said:

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Picked the QB most likely to succeed.

+1

Pat Traina was concerned about the lack of an instantaneous release. Preseason will tell us if this is true. In addition, I want to see the ability to throw the out and not get intercepted, throw the home run and not have it hang in the air, throw a bullet over the middle that can thread a defense, and throw accurately while on the run. I think the ability to read defenses will come with time.

Said the pick will eventually lead DG to get run out of town.

But the experts on BBI seem to want to ignore them and criticize those who tend to think SY and David TE were right. -- ummm ok.

the board, as well as people in the media and other “fans” I know who, will actually root against the kid just so they can say they were right for not liking the pick.

In comment 14455858 giantstock said:

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Said the pick will eventually lead DG to get run out of town. But the experts on BBI seem to want to ignore them and criticize those who tend to think SY and David TE were right. -- ummm ok.

and Gil Brandt loves him ... and Cosell's scouting report on the positives to his game are exactly what you want in a QB ... guess we'll see who's right

Sy decided to give Jones a grade barely below Sam Darnold, fyi (81 v 80)