I haven’t tried before. Not sure why that would bother anyone. Just don’t like being talked down to if I can’t tell apart a $12 bottle of wine from a $50 bottle.
They seem to accept that preferences - especially among single malts - have more to do with personal taste than any meaningful quality metric. For example, drinkers of Laphroaig and Glenmorangie may rib each other, but they mostly understand that the drinks are fundamentally different and that both are great in their own way. Blends are a separate category too, though single-malt drinkers can be pretty merciless if you get them going about Johnnie Walker Black.
Also, with whiskey there's the mixed-drink factor: most snobs will approve using cheap stuff if you're just going to mix it with supermarket syrup anyway. There really isn't a comparable role for bad beer or bad wine, except small niches like sangria and shandy/panaché.
As for who's worst, wine snobs have a huge edge because of the linguistic aspect. Not only can they sneer at you for drinking swill, they can sneer at you for pronouncing it incorrectly.
No. I don't like IPAs. (Just don't enjoy the after-taste ... yes I've tried plenty ... no I don't want to fucking try YOUR idea of what you believe will finally, once and fucking for all, make me like IPAs.)
I liken them to religion salesmen. I know you said you're not really interested in organized religion, but listen to MY take and I think you'll finally see the light.
Fuck off. And give me another Spaten Optimator.
100% on this.
Optimator was one of the first 'non-standard' beers I ever tried. It's like a warm embrace when I find them on the shelves.
Always watch myself hoping I can stop before I become a coffee asshole. Don't know if I'm always successful.
There is a subcategory of whiskey snob i seem to run in to a lot lately. The Rye snob. I'm guessing they'll disappear when the fashion swings back toward bourbon? Or has that already happened and I only see the rye guys because I live in a backwater?
I know somebody who seems to be building toward vodka snobbery. i would have bet good money that would be impossible.
Me, I'm a beer CRITIC. I can pick out the flavors, the textures, the body of beer with the best of em', but I'll drink just about anything - low bar probably Natty' Light.
are all incredibly douchy. And almost none of them realize they're douchy. They'll explain themselves so as to make themselves not sound douchy, and yet come off even more douchy. And still not see it.
snob. Hell I'm starting my own specialty coffee roasting company in another month. However, I'm not to that douchey level of snobery where I wont drink cheaper products, I enjoy them on occasion plenty, I just prefer to have the good stuff.
Any kind of snob that is extreme to level of being pretentious is a douche and I would never want to be that kind of person.I guess you can say I'm an intermediate level on the snob-o-meter. haha.
If you don't like IPAs, they have the same comeback, almost without exception: "Oh, I guess you can't handle some flavor, go back to your Budweiser"
I don't buy mass-produced domestic beers. I like lots of beer styles. I just don't care for insanely bitter IPAs. There actually are a few that I like, but most of them seem to be the result of a bet to see who can jam the most hops into a beer.
IPA is so overplayed now it's not funny. About ten years ago some smaller breweries were producing some really good IPAs but now many are just over the top. I will still drink a few of them though. I am more into stouts, dark lagers, a good saison. Etc. There are quite a few good beers out there now, although opening a brewery is a big fad now and there are some crappy ones... lol.
That said, I could care less if someone drinks Budweiser etc. Most of the guys I hang with drink Stella. I'm not a fan though I like Yuengling.
they have IPAs. Double IPAs, Kolsch beers (my favorite of his beers), but his best seller I believe is a porter.
the place is always jammed, and a new "craft brewery" seems to open up monthly.
For my friend's sake I hope the fad never ends, but at his grand opening a guy was there from the new england beer journal (?) or beverage journal something like that and he was telling me ten years ago Massachusetts had something like 14 "breweries" and today they have over 140.
The "worst" ones are the snobs of things that you enjoy most because they are the ones that seem to ruin your enjoyment by picking apart the level at which you enjoy it.
I really like beer but wouldn't consider myself a beer snob Â
I know what beer I like and go out of my way to get it, but I have no idea abt the beer making process, etc.
But my god do I have a strong dislike for food snobs, trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat, what I should cook, how 'easy it is'. How their meal at a restaurant was overcooked, undercooked, over seasoned, under seasoned, blah, blah, blah. Just let me enjoy what I eat and leave me alone.
A snob thinks he/she knows it all and consumes for appearance. The non-snob either could give a crap, or they know what they like and don't care what others think.
If you don't like IPAs, they have the same comeback, almost without exception: "Oh, I guess you can't handle some flavor, go back to your Budweiser"
I don't buy mass-produced domestic beers. I like lots of beer styles. I just don't care for insanely bitter IPAs. There actually are a few that I like, but most of them seem to be the result of a bet to see who can jam the most hops into a beer.
Whatever does it for you. In a backyard barbeque or get together where you are going to pound them down a light lager like coors light, bud light or corona does it for me. Going to a high end steakhouse a good IPA or a pint of Bass is my choice
I don't drink whisky often, but when I (rarely) do I prefer Bourbon in general, and specifically the "regular" Maker's Mark.
I can't abide people that tell me: "oh, you have to try so and so's individual barrel select" that costs maybe twice or more what my bottle of MM costs, and insist I am missing out if I don't try their recherche ass bourbon.
Why, if I am perfectly happy with my once a month or less snifter of MM, do I need to try some other bourbon?
but there’s infinitely better whiskeys that’s makers mark. Whatever makes you happy but I think it’s worth paying $10 more for something better.
You may have missed my point... I am not a whiskey guy, that's not what floats my boat, so in that case why should I bother?
Different strokes is really my point. Wine is another story altogether for me, and being as I make it, at a pretty high level for about 30 years, yeah, a truly fantastic wine is worth my time to seek out.
I always appreciate that as soon as one says "I can't stand THAT GUY who blah blah blah" on BBI, THAT GUY shows up.
Thanks for holding up the tradition!
I’m not being that guy. I’m pointing out how ridiculous it is to be mad at someone who’s suggesting you try something that’s better than what you are drinking. Doesn’t make them a douche if they approach it well. Makers is basically rail whiskey, and if you are good with that then that’s great. But you don’t need to be a whiskey guy to try something that likely tastes better. And no one is telling you to go buy Blue Label.
You don’t sound very open minded, that’s on you, not the guy with the recommendations.
But I wouldn't give anyone crap about drinking Tetlea or Lipton.
Re beer snobs, I happen to really dislike IPAs. I don't like really hoppy beers. My daughter remembered me talking about IPAs at a restaurant once so she bought me a selection of them for Christmas. She didn't remember she had heard me saying I don't like them. Promptly re-gifted them to a buddy, who liked them just fine. But the rage for craft IPAs in trendy restaurants is really annoying. Could we maybe get some craft lagers, craft pilsners, craft ales, craft bocks. And I don't have anything against macros, either. Happy to knock back a Corona or a St. Pauli Girl on a hot day. Not a big Bud guy, maybe it's the beechwood aging.
One of my earliest childhood memories is being a toddler at my father's feet while he drank beer and watched football, which I was too young to understand. I would often ask him for a taste of his beer, and being the irresponsible dad that he was, he'd give it to me. For some reason he was drinking Busch Bavaraian, which I couldn't pronounce, so it came out Bushabarian. Maybe beer sales were restricted where we were living at the time, it was Southern Illinois. But I liked it. And to this day, if I had to give beer to a toddler, I'd probably choose Busch Bavarian. Or maybe Rolling Rock.
Truth is..once I started drinking IPAs, I flat out don't like the taste of the majority
of lagers or wheat beers, they almost taste like they have gone bad to me. I used to be a Yuengling, Sam Adams guy but now can't stand them... I wouldn't say they don't "have flavor" and I would never give anyone a hard time for drinking what they like, but I do get bummed when I go to small town bars near my hometown in upstate NY and they don't have any IPAs. I even feel like a snob asking...
to understand just because you like something, that other people may feel differently? I am picky about beers because some I love drinking and some I don't enjoy at all. But if I am with someone at a bar with plenty of great beers on tap and they order a Bud Light because that is what they enjoy, I would never criticize it. If you would, you aren't a beer snob, you are just a dick.
Now substitute beer for whiskey, pizza, fashion, etc.
My dad literally yells at my grown sons foe liking “all that crap” on their pizza. He’s 86 but was always a cranky old fart lol. His mother never put anything on her hand made Italian pies. Even too much cheese sends him over the edge. He literally can’t understand why people like different things. Sad and hilarious all at once.
I do agree w him when it’s pineapple though lol. Heretics.
I can understand having a favorite beer style, for me its Belgian Trappists style, but I can appreciate other good styles of beers. I don't understand the appeal of we forgoing a nice balanced beer and just gutter fucking it to death with hops.
I will admit to having moved on from the Budweiser, Coors, Miller... Â
type pale lagers. I like something with more flavor to it. A good IPA for me, but not the overly hoppy stuff. Those just taste like ass.
But the pale lagers taste like water to me, so they’re out too.
I know a lot of people don’t like it, but Blue Moon on tap is great. But no orange. Somehow I feel a little more manly drinking it without the orange.😀
Truth is..once I started drinking IPAs, I flat out don't like the taste of the majority
of lagers or wheat beers, they almost taste like they have gone bad to me.
I have a theory about that: IPAs alter (diminish?) taste buds, to the point that other beers are unpleasant once you are acclimated to them. Try following an IPA with a lager... ew. It's hardly even a matter of taste for me so much as it is mouth feel. A lager now has a completely dissatisfying cotton mouthy feel to me now.
I drink em all (in moderation).
and you do not have to spend a lot of money to get a quality rye (or bourbon for that matter)
Also, with whiskey there's the mixed-drink factor: most snobs will approve using cheap stuff if you're just going to mix it with supermarket syrup anyway. There really isn't a comparable role for bad beer or bad wine, except small niches like sangria and shandy/panaché.
As for who's worst, wine snobs have a huge edge because of the linguistic aspect. Not only can they sneer at you for drinking swill, they can sneer at you for pronouncing it incorrectly.
I think the only beer snobs are IPA snobs.
Wine snobs are worse than IPA snobs, especially with their pet nicknames, “I had a wonderful Cab this weekend.”
I am a proud, card carrying member of the Pizza Snobs of America.
I freely admit to being one & don't plan on changing anytime soon.
I've done the same thing, but I'm not married to IPAs.
Mostly, I can't stand places who don't rotate their beers.
No. I don't like IPAs. (Just don't enjoy the after-taste ... yes I've tried plenty ... no I don't want to fucking try YOUR idea of what you believe will finally, once and fucking for all, make me like IPAs.)
I liken them to religion salesmen. I know you said you're not really interested in organized religion, but listen to MY take and I think you'll finally see the light.
Fuck off. And give me another Spaten Optimator.
100% on this.
Optimator was one of the first 'non-standard' beers I ever tried. It's like a warm embrace when I find them on the shelves.
There is a subcategory of whiskey snob i seem to run in to a lot lately. The Rye snob. I'm guessing they'll disappear when the fashion swings back toward bourbon? Or has that already happened and I only see the rye guys because I live in a backwater?
I know somebody who seems to be building toward vodka snobbery. i would have bet good money that would be impossible.
Me, I'm a beer CRITIC. I can pick out the flavors, the textures, the body of beer with the best of em', but I'll drink just about anything - low bar probably Natty' Light.
Any kind of snob that is extreme to level of being pretentious is a douche and I would never want to be that kind of person.I guess you can say I'm an intermediate level on the snob-o-meter. haha.
I don't buy mass-produced domestic beers. I like lots of beer styles. I just don't care for insanely bitter IPAs. There actually are a few that I like, but most of them seem to be the result of a bet to see who can jam the most hops into a beer.
IPA is so overplayed now it's not funny. About ten years ago some smaller breweries were producing some really good IPAs but now many are just over the top. I will still drink a few of them though. I am more into stouts, dark lagers, a good saison. Etc. There are quite a few good beers out there now, although opening a brewery is a big fad now and there are some crappy ones... lol.
That said, I could care less if someone drinks Budweiser etc. Most of the guys I hang with drink Stella. I'm not a fan though I like Yuengling.
Sorry to say, if I drink a budweiser...
they have IPAs. Double IPAs, Kolsch beers (my favorite of his beers), but his best seller I believe is a porter.
the place is always jammed, and a new "craft brewery" seems to open up monthly.
For my friend's sake I hope the fad never ends, but at his grand opening a guy was there from the new england beer journal (?) or beverage journal something like that and he was telling me ten years ago Massachusetts had something like 14 "breweries" and today they have over 140.
But my god do I have a strong dislike for food snobs, trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat, what I should cook, how 'easy it is'. How their meal at a restaurant was overcooked, undercooked, over seasoned, under seasoned, blah, blah, blah. Just let me enjoy what I eat and leave me alone.
A snob thinks he/she knows it all and consumes for appearance. The non-snob either could give a crap, or they know what they like and don't care what others think.
I don't buy mass-produced domestic beers. I like lots of beer styles. I just don't care for insanely bitter IPAs. There actually are a few that I like, but most of them seem to be the result of a bet to see who can jam the most hops into a beer.
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I freely admit to being one & don't plan on changing anytime soon.
IPAs? Amateur.
I can't abide people that tell me: "oh, you have to try so and so's individual barrel select" that costs maybe twice or more what my bottle of MM costs, and insist I am missing out if I don't try their recherche ass bourbon.
Why, if I am perfectly happy with my once a month or less snifter of MM, do I need to try some other bourbon?
Fact is, I don't, and neither does anyone.
You may have missed my point... I am not a whiskey guy, that's not what floats my boat, so in that case why should I bother?
Different strokes is really my point. Wine is another story altogether for me, and being as I make it, at a pretty high level for about 30 years, yeah, a truly fantastic wine is worth my time to seek out.
I did really enjoy a GREAT cognac once...
Thanks for holding up the tradition!
Good call.
Thanks for holding up the tradition!
I’m not being that guy. I’m pointing out how ridiculous it is to be mad at someone who’s suggesting you try something that’s better than what you are drinking. Doesn’t make them a douche if they approach it well. Makers is basically rail whiskey, and if you are good with that then that’s great. But you don’t need to be a whiskey guy to try something that likely tastes better. And no one is telling you to go buy Blue Label.
You don’t sound very open minded, that’s on you, not the guy with the recommendations.
No it's not. Those words don't cancel each other out.
Re beer snobs, I happen to really dislike IPAs. I don't like really hoppy beers. My daughter remembered me talking about IPAs at a restaurant once so she bought me a selection of them for Christmas. She didn't remember she had heard me saying I don't like them. Promptly re-gifted them to a buddy, who liked them just fine. But the rage for craft IPAs in trendy restaurants is really annoying. Could we maybe get some craft lagers, craft pilsners, craft ales, craft bocks. And I don't have anything against macros, either. Happy to knock back a Corona or a St. Pauli Girl on a hot day. Not a big Bud guy, maybe it's the beechwood aging.
One of my earliest childhood memories is being a toddler at my father's feet while he drank beer and watched football, which I was too young to understand. I would often ask him for a taste of his beer, and being the irresponsible dad that he was, he'd give it to me. For some reason he was drinking Busch Bavaraian, which I couldn't pronounce, so it came out Bushabarian. Maybe beer sales were restricted where we were living at the time, it was Southern Illinois. But I liked it. And to this day, if I had to give beer to a toddler, I'd probably choose Busch Bavarian. Or maybe Rolling Rock.
Truth is..once I started drinking IPAs, I flat out don't like the taste of the majority
of lagers or wheat beers, they almost taste like they have gone bad to me. I used to be a Yuengling, Sam Adams guy but now can't stand them... I wouldn't say they don't "have flavor" and I would never give anyone a hard time for drinking what they like, but I do get bummed when I go to small town bars near my hometown in upstate NY and they don't have any IPAs. I even feel like a snob asking...
+1
God forbid I tell some wine enthusiast who can’t distinguish the good stuff from the cheap stuff that prefer bourbon.
Now substitute beer for whiskey, pizza, fashion, etc.
My dad literally yells at my grown sons foe liking “all that crap” on their pizza. He’s 86 but was always a cranky old fart lol. His mother never put anything on her hand made Italian pies. Even too much cheese sends him over the edge. He literally can’t understand why people like different things. Sad and hilarious all at once.
I do agree w him when it’s pineapple though lol. Heretics.
Wine is something else. Bordeaux for me, but who can afford the top of the line stuff?
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and you do not have to spend a lot of money to get a quality rye (or bourbon for that matter)
I type that as I drink some delicious Angels Envy bourbon. Overpriced but delicious.
“It’s a real crowd pleaser. Very quaffable.”
“There are faint hints of black currant. Do you get that?”
These are actual quotes from wine snob friends of mine.
I just smile and play along.
Love my Scotch and know what I like but wouldn't call myself a snob.
But the pale lagers taste like water to me, so they’re out too.
I know a lot of people don’t like it, but Blue Moon on tap is great. But no orange. Somehow I feel a little more manly drinking it without the orange.😀
Truth is..once I started drinking IPAs, I flat out don't like the taste of the majority
of lagers or wheat beers, they almost taste like they have gone bad to me.
I have a theory about that: IPAs alter (diminish?) taste buds, to the point that other beers are unpleasant once you are acclimated to them. Try following an IPA with a lager... ew. It's hardly even a matter of taste for me so much as it is mouth feel. A lager now has a completely dissatisfying cotton mouthy feel to me now.
Love my Scotch and know what I like but wouldn't call myself a snob.