see my theory. Is it worth ripping the band aid off and sitting both for 1 game so you can have both playing together more often? I don’t know, but I think it can be a factor.
Also if you sit Sanchez and Torres you free up 2 positions players and allow someone else to “rest” at DH every once in a while. I think it goes beyond just the players who sit. Cash man spent a lot of time building this bench, not using it would be foolish over 162 games.
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Not using the bench is silly, I agree, my point is just spacing out the off days better. It just seems managers
want to give players off the same day, they can space it out.
You have two players doing serious damage against the O's, play one player, sit the other.
The last game of that series was a day game after a night game for example, so you could sit Sanchez, and play Torres. The next game, sit the other player, don't see why it has to be the same day, it's a long season.
That's just my theory, it's not a right or wrong answer.
it’s possible the analytics say they are more effective playing together, which offsets the mutual day off. There has to be a reason, it’s not like Boone can’t count and see both have scheduled off days. It isn’t a coincidence, IMO.
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The Yankees know what they are doing. Old school fans might not agree with analytics but it is the reason they have greatly improved their drafting, trades, and signings over the years. This is baseball in 2019. The Yankees don't pick guys like Cito Culver anymore. Every once in a while you get a Sonny Gray but that is rare now. Analytics are why the Yankees can win without spending everyone to death like in the past.
They are still not drafting pitchers very well.
That couldn't be more wrong. The Yankees have a recent track record of drafting guys and adding velocity and turning fringe guys into actual prospects. Fangraphs had a long post not long ago about the Yankees success with pitching.
it’s possible the analytics say they are more effective playing together, which offsets the mutual day off. There has to be a reason, it’s not like Boone can’t count and see both have scheduled off days. It isn’t a coincidence, IMO.
Another very overlooked reason is that the Yanks have quality reserves who need playing time. Estrada is a legit ML prospect, and can play 2B, SS and 3B. He needs ABs in the bigs- which means that someone has to sit. Some days that is DJ; other's it is Torres.
As for C, the Yanks have to look big picture- they have to ignore hot and cold streaks. This team has aspirations of playing deep into the post-season. That means you need to pace your pitching and C to make sure that they are not worn down in October.
It doesn't get your TEAM anywhere if you ride your starting C hard in May and June just because they are killing it at the plate if the C is beat up and worn down in October. You don't get any extra points for winning games in May or June. In addition, what is the utility cost of winning 97 games vs. 100? If that means your C is tired and ineffective in the playoffs, you have HURT your club- and for what? A few extra HR or hits?
Not worth it.
Everyone is aware that this team is a legit contender- that means that you make the trade-off that a hot hitting C sits 3 times a week so he has a better chance of being effective in the games that actually count- the playoff games.
Players are not machines- they need rest, they need to pace themselves, and be ready for more than 162 games.
People who get caught up in hot streaks vs. rest are not accounting for the larger goal- a World Series title. 2-3 extra HR during the regular season doesn't help you in the playoffs- but those extra games can HURT your team.
Two ugly strike three swings from Torres and Sanchez Â
it’s possible the analytics say they are more effective playing together, which offsets the mutual day off. There has to be a reason, it’s not like Boone can’t count and see both have scheduled off days. It isn’t a coincidence, IMO.
Another very overlooked reason is that the Yanks have quality reserves who need playing time. Estrada is a legit ML prospect, and can play 2B, SS and 3B. He needs ABs in the bigs- which means that someone has to sit. Some days that is DJ; other's it is Torres.
As for C, the Yanks have to look big picture- they have to ignore hot and cold streaks. This team has aspirations of playing deep into the post-useason. That means you need to pace your pitching and C to make sure that they are not worn down in October.
It doesn't get your TEAM anywhere if you ride your starting C hard in May and June just because they are killing it at the plate if the C is beat up and worn down in October. You don't get any extra points for winning games in May or June. In addition, what is the utility cost of winning 97 games vs. 100? If that means your C is tired and ineffective in the playoffs, you have HURT your club- and for what? A few extra HR or hits?
Not worth it.
Everyone is aware that this team is a legit contender- that means that you make the trade-off that a hot hitting C sits 3 times a week so he has a better chance of being effective in the games that actually count- the playoff games.
Players are not machines- they need rest, they need to pace themselves, and be ready for more than 162 games.
People who get caught up in hot streaks vs. rest are not accounting for the larger goal- a World Series title. 2-3 extra HR during the regular season doesn't help you in the playoffs- but those extra games can HURT your team.
Yeah well you have to get to the playoffs first, and IMO, they got lucky beating the O's the other day with Gary and Gleyber sitting.
I find it hard to believe a day at DH for Gary is going to have a negative impact on him making it through the season healthy and strong.
Personally I think it's nuts to ignore hot or cold streaks, and while analytics definitely has its place and has helped the Yanks, I don't think it should be the end all as far as decisions go. A little common sense added to the mix won't hurt.
seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
when they are hurt? I also don’t believe everything I read an refuse to believe that the Yankees are giving away their formula by saying that don’t factor in “hot”.
This isn’t simple math. There’s just too many variables in play here and many of them are, and should be, unknown.
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seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
It's not about stats, it's about playing guys when they're hot in order to try and win as many games as possible.
Just because they look like a playoff team now doesn't guarantee anything. With all the injuries this team has suffered, I'm not sure how anyone can be confident all the guys will be back at 100%. That's not even taking into account the possibility of more injuries. It's not even June yet and as good as things are going now, there's a hell of a long way to go. This isn't being contrarian, it's being honest and realistic.
Besides the goal is to win a WS title, not just get to the playoffs. IMO, the best way to win a WS title is to put yourself in the best possible position and that means winning your Divison and even better getting home field throughout. That takes getting as many regular season wins as you can.
Yes wild card teams have won it all but it's certainly a much harder road and I don't think any of us like the idea of playing a one and done. I'm not looking for guys to get better numbers for the back of their baseball cards, I want them getting good numbers to help win more games.
when they are hurt? I also don’t believe everything I read an refuse to believe that the Yankees are giving away their formula by saying that don’t factor in “hot”.
This isn’t simple math. There’s just too many variables in play here and many of them are, and should be, unknown.
Do you really think Gary being a DH in the last O's game would've hurt him or even risked him getting hurt? It wouldn't have any more than any other time he DH'd IMO.
As far as what I believe, I'm with you there on most writers and media but when guys like Michael Kay say it, it carries some weight with me.
it’s mental. It’s listening to your players and their routines. It’s respect. It’s the way baseball is in 2019. You can’t just quantify everything with “hurt or not hurt”. That’s too simple and not what’s happening. This is a grueling season and these players have scheduled time off built into their regimen. There’s other factors that we also don’t know about (nagging injuries, personal issues, etc.).
RE: RE: RE: RE: Again, how do you know they ignore them Â
seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
It's not about stats, it's about playing guys when they're hot in order to try and win as many games as possible.
Just because they look like a playoff team now doesn't guarantee anything. With all the injuries this team has suffered, I'm not sure how anyone can be confident all the guys will be back at 100%. That's not even taking into account the possibility of more injuries. It's not even June yet and as good as things are going now, there's a hell of a long way to go. This isn't being contrarian, it's being honest and realistic.
Besides the goal is to win a WS title, not just get to the playoffs. IMO, the best way to win a WS title is to put yourself in the best possible position and that means winning your Divison and even better getting home field throughout. That takes getting as many regular season wins as you can.
Yes wild card teams have won it all but it's certainly a much harder road and I don't think any of us like the idea of playing a one and done. I'm not looking for guys to get better numbers for the back of their baseball cards, I want them getting good numbers to help win more games.
Obviously no one is going to convince you of the fatal flaw in your misguided opinion. Even more misguided because you are listening to a baseball moron in Kay.
The reality of the situation is that the Yankees don't care one iota about your opinion, and your complaining comes across as old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. This is modern baseball. Deal with it or don't, but I for one am tired of explaining reality to someone who refuses to listen.
Also if you sit Sanchez and Torres you free up 2 positions players and allow someone else to “rest” at DH every once in a while. I think it goes beyond just the players who sit. Cash man spent a lot of time building this bench, not using it would be foolish over 162 games.
Not using the bench is silly, I agree, my point is just spacing out the off days better. It just seems managers
want to give players off the same day, they can space it out.
You have two players doing serious damage against the O's, play one player, sit the other.
The last game of that series was a day game after a night game for example, so you could sit Sanchez, and play Torres. The next game, sit the other player, don't see why it has to be the same day, it's a long season.
That's just my theory, it's not a right or wrong answer.
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The Yankees know what they are doing. Old school fans might not agree with analytics but it is the reason they have greatly improved their drafting, trades, and signings over the years. This is baseball in 2019. The Yankees don't pick guys like Cito Culver anymore. Every once in a while you get a Sonny Gray but that is rare now. Analytics are why the Yankees can win without spending everyone to death like in the past.
They are still not drafting pitchers very well.
That couldn't be more wrong. The Yankees have a recent track record of drafting guys and adding velocity and turning fringe guys into actual prospects. Fangraphs had a long post not long ago about the Yankees success with pitching.
Another very overlooked reason is that the Yanks have quality reserves who need playing time. Estrada is a legit ML prospect, and can play 2B, SS and 3B. He needs ABs in the bigs- which means that someone has to sit. Some days that is DJ; other's it is Torres.
As for C, the Yanks have to look big picture- they have to ignore hot and cold streaks. This team has aspirations of playing deep into the post-season. That means you need to pace your pitching and C to make sure that they are not worn down in October.
It doesn't get your TEAM anywhere if you ride your starting C hard in May and June just because they are killing it at the plate if the C is beat up and worn down in October. You don't get any extra points for winning games in May or June. In addition, what is the utility cost of winning 97 games vs. 100? If that means your C is tired and ineffective in the playoffs, you have HURT your club- and for what? A few extra HR or hits?
Not worth it.
Everyone is aware that this team is a legit contender- that means that you make the trade-off that a hot hitting C sits 3 times a week so he has a better chance of being effective in the games that actually count- the playoff games.
Players are not machines- they need rest, they need to pace themselves, and be ready for more than 162 games.
People who get caught up in hot streaks vs. rest are not accounting for the larger goal- a World Series title. 2-3 extra HR during the regular season doesn't help you in the playoffs- but those extra games can HURT your team.
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it’s possible the analytics say they are more effective playing together, which offsets the mutual day off. There has to be a reason, it’s not like Boone can’t count and see both have scheduled off days. It isn’t a coincidence, IMO.
Another very overlooked reason is that the Yanks have quality reserves who need playing time. Estrada is a legit ML prospect, and can play 2B, SS and 3B. He needs ABs in the bigs- which means that someone has to sit. Some days that is DJ; other's it is Torres.
As for C, the Yanks have to look big picture- they have to ignore hot and cold streaks. This team has aspirations of playing deep into the post-useason. That means you need to pace your pitching and C to make sure that they are not worn down in October.
It doesn't get your TEAM anywhere if you ride your starting C hard in May and June just because they are killing it at the plate if the C is beat up and worn down in October. You don't get any extra points for winning games in May or June. In addition, what is the utility cost of winning 97 games vs. 100? If that means your C is tired and ineffective in the playoffs, you have HURT your club- and for what? A few extra HR or hits?
Not worth it.
Everyone is aware that this team is a legit contender- that means that you make the trade-off that a hot hitting C sits 3 times a week so he has a better chance of being effective in the games that actually count- the playoff games.
Players are not machines- they need rest, they need to pace themselves, and be ready for more than 162 games.
People who get caught up in hot streaks vs. rest are not accounting for the larger goal- a World Series title. 2-3 extra HR during the regular season doesn't help you in the playoffs- but those extra games can HURT your team.
Yeah well you have to get to the playoffs first, and IMO, they got lucky beating the O's the other day with Gary and Gleyber sitting.
I find it hard to believe a day at DH for Gary is going to have a negative impact on him making it through the season healthy and strong.
Personally I think it's nuts to ignore hot or cold streaks, and while analytics definitely has its place and has helped the Yanks, I don't think it should be the end all as far as decisions go. A little common sense added to the mix won't hurt.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
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seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
This isn’t simple math. There’s just too many variables in play here and many of them are, and should be, unknown.
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seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
It's not about stats, it's about playing guys when they're hot in order to try and win as many games as possible.
Just because they look like a playoff team now doesn't guarantee anything. With all the injuries this team has suffered, I'm not sure how anyone can be confident all the guys will be back at 100%. That's not even taking into account the possibility of more injuries. It's not even June yet and as good as things are going now, there's a hell of a long way to go. This isn't being contrarian, it's being honest and realistic.
Besides the goal is to win a WS title, not just get to the playoffs. IMO, the best way to win a WS title is to put yourself in the best possible position and that means winning your Divison and even better getting home field throughout. That takes getting as many regular season wins as you can.
Yes wild card teams have won it all but it's certainly a much harder road and I don't think any of us like the idea of playing a one and done. I'm not looking for guys to get better numbers for the back of their baseball cards, I want them getting good numbers to help win more games.
This isn’t simple math. There’s just too many variables in play here and many of them are, and should be, unknown.
Do you really think Gary being a DH in the last O's game would've hurt him or even risked him getting hurt? It wouldn't have any more than any other time he DH'd IMO.
As far as what I believe, I'm with you there on most writers and media but when guys like Michael Kay say it, it carries some weight with me.
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seems to me like you are making assumptions that likely aren’t true.
I've heard and read in several places the Yanks don't believe in "hot". You're right about the cold part though, I am assuming that part but it stands to reason if they don't believe in hot, they probably don't believe in cold either.
I was only referring to the last line in Rich's post about that. I wasn't overlooking the long term things when looking at hot, just not ignoring or dismissing hot in the mean time. Yes, the long term goal is winning a WS, but we have to get there first and IMO, hot players help that objective.
You are reaching for points that don't exist at this point.
The Yankees are going to be a playoff team. Too many clubs mailing it in, and the Yankees are in first place without Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Sevy and Betances adding anything to this team. Arguing otherwise is making Stephen A Smith arguments just to be contrarian.
When you know you are a playoff team, hot streaks by individual players are really meaningless. A win is a win, and you don't get extra points for putting up stats. It's actually arguable that guys like Urshula have carried this team- and no one whines when he sits.
The reality is that Boone has to manage the tram for a 180 game season and individual stats don't mean anything in that context.
It's not about stats, it's about playing guys when they're hot in order to try and win as many games as possible.
Just because they look like a playoff team now doesn't guarantee anything. With all the injuries this team has suffered, I'm not sure how anyone can be confident all the guys will be back at 100%. That's not even taking into account the possibility of more injuries. It's not even June yet and as good as things are going now, there's a hell of a long way to go. This isn't being contrarian, it's being honest and realistic.
Besides the goal is to win a WS title, not just get to the playoffs. IMO, the best way to win a WS title is to put yourself in the best possible position and that means winning your Divison and even better getting home field throughout. That takes getting as many regular season wins as you can.
Yes wild card teams have won it all but it's certainly a much harder road and I don't think any of us like the idea of playing a one and done. I'm not looking for guys to get better numbers for the back of their baseball cards, I want them getting good numbers to help win more games.
Obviously no one is going to convince you of the fatal flaw in your misguided opinion. Even more misguided because you are listening to a baseball moron in Kay.
The reality of the situation is that the Yankees don't care one iota about your opinion, and your complaining comes across as old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. This is modern baseball. Deal with it or don't, but I for one am tired of explaining reality to someone who refuses to listen.