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pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 12:34 pm
not the starter I want (Keuchel), but hopefully he's just a couple weeks away.

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RE: Seems like someone may be more hurt than initially thought  
speedywheels : 5/24/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14455196 pjcas18 said:
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Nimmo? or just b/c Cespedes is now known to be out all year.


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So to summarize: the Mets added Matt Kemp and Ervin Santana today on minor league contracts and added Aaron Altherr to the major league roster.


Would be so Mets to only now have a contingency plan for Cespedes; given his track record of slow returns from being injured, there was very little reason to think that he would return anytime soon from his last injury (and that was before ankle fractures debacle).

It will also be so Mets like to pass on dallas keuchel when the fear of losing a draft pick passes in a few weeks, and send out a press release saying something to the effect of "we feel comfortable with the starters we have, plus we have Santana able to step in if needed".
My initial  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 5:45 pm : link
guess was Nimmo is worse than known, but we'll find out.

It's not like Syracuse had a tons of players pushing to get major league AB's.

I think Tebow is still starting in the OF there.

And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO
RE: My initial  
speedywheels : 5/24/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14455206 pjcas18 said:
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And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO


I don't see the Mets bidding at all. They'll maybe spew some nonsense about "reaching out to his agent", but they are too cheap to get in on him.
Thor is still angry about that bus ride  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 7:20 pm : link
Mets should start games at 4 AM so THor would be ready to go after partying his brains out. KInda of like an after hours party but only on a baseball diamond.
Noah always  
Rory : 5/24/2019 7:21 pm : link
needs like 20 pitches to get into a groove but 2 runs Thor? come on man
This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 7:52 pm : link
They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.
What a gutsy, gritty comeback by the bench mob  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 8:40 pm : link
5-4 Mets after an Hech 3 run HR

(obv just messing :-P)
RE: This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14455258 PhiPsi125 said:
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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.


When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.
RE: What a gutsy, gritty comeback by the bench mob  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14455272 ChaChing said:
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5-4 Mets after an Hech 3 run HR

(obv just messing :-P)


LOL...reverse psychology.
This is the outlaw lineup  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 8:47 pm : link
Guys who were washed up, guys nobody wanted, bandeleros
RE: My initial  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14455206 pjcas18 said:
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guess was Nimmo is worse than known, but we'll find out.

It's not like Syracuse had a tons of players pushing to get major league AB's.

I think Tebow is still starting in the OF there.

And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO


Stiff neck means the disc is inflamed. Probably do down in ten days with cortisone. But will probably also be nagging all year
RE: RE: This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14455273 pjcas18 said:
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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.



When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.


Thats fine. Its hard to complement a team as gritty or gutsy when they are under .500 and are very inconsistent against worse teams. Sure, they CAN have gritty or gutsy wins but I wouldnt exactly characterize them as that.

The prove me wrong comment was for the team, not for other posters to prove me wrong lol.
The best part of that comeback  
Rory : 5/24/2019 8:50 pm : link
Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks
RE: RE: RE: This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14455280 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 14455258 PhiPsi125 said:


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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.



When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.



Thats fine. Its hard to complement a team as gritty or gutsy when they are under .500 and are very inconsistent against worse teams. Sure, they CAN have gritty or gutsy wins but I wouldnt exactly characterize them as that.

The prove me wrong comment was for the team, not for other posters to prove me wrong lol.


I know, they're trying to, but "Thor" keeps working against them.
Alonso  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 8:59 pm : link
goes boom. #17
Mickey really has his finger on the pulse of his pitchers, huh?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 9:09 pm : link
Hes a true managerial savant.
Altherr  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 9:20 pm : link
goes boom. Mets 7-6

Expected. A guy who was hitting like .030 or something. Even funnier given they just told us Brox hit one 475 in his 1st AB w/ Baltimore
This is quite the  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2019 9:34 pm : link
shit show
What did they say? 21 runs in the last 9 games for DET  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 9:36 pm : link
9 runs in 7 innings today
RE: The best part of that comeback  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14455281 Rory said:
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Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks

Called it
Thor is just average  
Big Blue Hokie : 5/24/2019 10:03 pm : link
Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?
RE: Thor is just average  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14455312 Big Blue Hokie said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?


With a big mouth.
Nice gritty...loss?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 10:28 pm : link
Against a crappy team, no less.

Mediocre
Yeah that sucked. 4-0 W streak stopped by the offensive buzzsaw  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 10:44 pm : link
that is the 0 for their last 9 Tigers

As exciting as the Ws were had they even gone 16-0 over this stretch, the telling part of the season came after it. Ironic the 4 Nats Ws made them 4-6 over the last 10 against awful teams

If just JDG & Thor hadn't fallen off early season, things would look different. But it's tough to get behind this team as a contender now, esp in the NLe. The only hope is the old 'it's a long season' and no one has taken a big the lead (tho Phi & Atl are moving up)
RE: Am I the only one  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14455090 allstarjim said:
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That thinks Font is a good gamble as a 4th or 5th starter?


No. Brodie agrees with you. The two of you against the world
RE: RE: Thor is just average  
giantsFC : 5/24/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14455317 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.


I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.
RE: RE: RE: Thor is just average  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2019 7:57 am : link
In comment 14455337 giantsFC said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.



I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.


Especially when they have a case study for success right in their clubhouse with DeGrom. But hey, the NYC nightlife just too alluring for immature millionaires.
The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2019 9:34 am : link
to a minor league deal.
Wow he is no  
XBRONX : 5/25/2019 10:08 am : link
Thor, more like puss in boots.
RE: The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14455393 Jay on the Island said:
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to a minor league deal.


posted yesterday (in this thread), thanks though for anyone who didn't see it.
RE: RE: The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2019 1:19 pm : link
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to a minor league deal.



posted yesterday (in this thread), thanks though for anyone who didn't see it.

My bad.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Thor is just average  
giantsFC : 5/25/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14455371 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 14455317 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 14455312 Big Blue Hokie said:


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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.



I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.



Especially when they have a case study for success right in their clubhouse with DeGrom. But hey, the NYC nightlife just too alluring for immature millionaires.


So true! For once the Mets kept the right guy. A reason I cant believe they let Murphy walk...for such a low risk salary too. Thst was my final breaking point w Mets btw. Letting a guy leave who could handle NY met media so well for what really was a rather fair contract.

Also when they let olerud walk. To me Zeile was Neil Walker before Neil Walker.







RE: RE: The best part of that comeback  
ChaChing : 5/25/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14455310 ChaChing said:
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In comment 14455281 Rory said:
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Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks


Called it

Seriously. The Buffalo now has 3 HRs in his last 4 ABs, as well as 4/4. 9/14 of late
RE: RE: RE: The best part of that comeback  
10thAve : 5/25/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14455651 ChaChing said:
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In comment 14455310 ChaChing said:


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In comment 14455281 Rory said:
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Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks


Called it


Seriously. The Buffalo now has 3 HRs in his last 4 ABs, as well as 4/4. 9/14 of late

That was a great call, Rory. Hopefully they can hang on here.
WOW Nido w/ a walkoff HR in the 13th  
ChaChing : 5/25/2019 8:22 pm : link
More random heroics
Nice job Mets catchers today!  
ZGiants98 : 5/25/2019 8:25 pm : link
We have the ugliest lineup in the world right now. Conforto cant return tomorrow fast enough. Aside from one idiotic decision to pitch Vargas out of the pen, he's been pretty good. Wheeler for the series tomorrow!

And as usual, the opposite of what's expected  
ChaChing : 5/25/2019 8:30 pm : link
tho Vargas had his usual short but 1 ER outing...after that Bashlor & Gsellman give up 2 & 1 run respectively - the two pitching well

Diaz finally used for a 4-out attempt and blows his first save of 2019 on the first batter

Then you have Font, Zamora & Santiago go for 0 ER over the next 5 innings from the 9th on

Still nuts they really struggle vs the worst teams but they've been entertaining games and a W is a W
Another game  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2019 8:32 pm : link
the Mets had no business winning.

I don't care of PhiPsi (who I have no issues with) likes the "gutsy" label or not, but when you get outhit 14 - 7 (many of the Mets hits in xtras) and Tomas Nido hits a walk off HR to win it, that is a team winning games they could easily lose.

I call it gutsy.

especially a Jason Vargas start.

RE: Another game  
10thAve : 5/25/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14455722 pjcas18 said:
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the Mets had no business winning.

I don't care of PhiPsi (who I have no issues with) likes the "gutsy" label or not, but when you get outhit 14 - 7 (many of the Mets hits in xtras) and Tomas Nido hits a walk off HR to win it, that is a team winning games they could easily lose.

I call it gutsy.

especially a Jason Vargas start.

I agree. This lineup is kind of reminiscent of Mayberry, Campbell, et al. But theyre finding ways to win, which is great to see. And a different guy each day. Staying afloat.

Catchers Day at Citi Field today.
RE: Another game  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14455722 pjcas18 said:
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the Mets had no business winning.

I don't care of PhiPsi (who I have no issues with) likes the "gutsy" label or not, but when you get outhit 14 - 7 (many of the Mets hits in xtras) and Tomas Nido hits a walk off HR to win it, that is a team winning games they could easily lose.

I call it gutsy.

especially a Jason Vargas start.


Like I said last night, teams can have gutsy or gritty wins. All of them do. Im just not going to call the Mets a gutsy or gritty team. They are under .500 and have a difficult time beating teams worse than they are. You can call this a gutsy win. Id call it a fight to be the tallest midget. I love watching my team win but I have a hard time getting excited watching the Mets struggle to beat worse teams...if they even defeat them at all.

The Yankees have fielded a team of backups through much of this season and are still plowing through the field. Thats a gritty and gutsy team.

Many fans had postseason hopes for this team and had them fighting for the division. Now, that can still happen but, for yet another year, the Mets are falling out of the race by Memorial Day. The Mets FO knew the holes this team had in the offseason. And they didnt even entertain filling them. At least to a large degree. And with the moves they did make, they managed to set this franchise back years...which is one of the only things they are good at. Im sure some fans already have their normal excuses already lined up. Cool.

But sure, gutsy win.
Well  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2019 8:12 am : link
my bar was meaningful August baseball, so hopefully they stay competitive enough until then to make my dream come true.
Well, the bar is certainly low. Its sad when we have to hope for  
PhiPsi125 : 5/26/2019 8:42 am : link
the season to mean something in AUGUST and rarely ever get that. Its just a very very poorly run team with owners that dont really care to prioritize winning. Owners that use the ballclub as their personal bank account for their real business.

I hope your dreams come true...but as history has shown us, we have about another 11 years before the team lucks into a competitive season again.
BVW deserves a chance to see if he can change things  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2019 9:30 am : link
well, at least some things - we know the wilpons are a pox on the franchise and there's no way to change that. Their impact needs to be overcome and that's no small task.

This week has been a testament to what can happen when you embrace the minimum level of accountability and make positive changes. 1 week doesn't make a team or manager or GM and I still have concerns on all 3 but .500 at memorial day is at least a pulse. The run differential is down to just -13. Things are trending in the right direction because the previous regime left the cupboard of young talent full to build around.

Now it's on BVW to mold a winner over the rest of the season. Once the draft pick goes away, Keuchel (my preference) or Kimbrel should be part of that given that they're now likely recovering more $ from Cespedes than previously expected. You can never have enough pitching. He also better hit this draft out of the fucking park to make us forget about Kelenic just a little bit. I'd be lying if I said I had any hope of Mickey being part of the solution so if there's another dip or if there are any moments where he thinks the lockerroom is gone he's got to have a backup plan ready to go as well. Also needs to be prepared to minimize Cano's presence if he doesn't get going and other players deserve more playing time.
Funny way to look at things  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2019 9:57 am : link
obviously nothing like this is exact, but again, beat the crowds, give up the pick.


David Roth
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A fun thing to do while wondering why your team hasn't signed Dallas Keuchel or Craig Kimbrel is to look up the record for the draft pick compensation they're supposedly so afraid to lose. The Mets would lose the 53rd pick. The best player picked there in 30 years is Sean Casey.
RE: Funny way to look at things  
PhiPsi125 : 5/26/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14455916 pjcas18 said:
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obviously nothing like this is exact, but again, beat the crowds, give up the pick.


David Roth
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19h19 hours ago

A fun thing to do while wondering why your team hasn't signed Dallas Keuchel or Craig Kimbrel is to look up the record for the draft pick compensation they're supposedly so afraid to lose. The Mets would lose the 53rd pick. The best player picked there in 30 years is Sean Casey.


Yes, the draft pick is negligible. But it might not even be whats holding them back. These pitchers might me waiting for the draft pick issue to go away before signing in an effort to maximize their offers. Im sure there are a number of teams waiting so they dont lose the draft pick that could start a bidding war.
Now yes, because they let it get this close  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2019 10:07 am : link
obviously no reason for Keuchel or Kimbrel to sign until after the draft.

But the logic of teams waiting to avoid giving up the draft pick is silly.

And the chances of either one of those pitchers choosing to sign  
PhiPsi125 : 5/26/2019 10:07 am : link
with the Mets is a fucking joke. This will be the Gio situation all over again. These GMs always think they are smarter than they really are. Too little too late. The Mets mantra.
Agree chances of Mets signing either is slim  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2019 10:10 am : link
some good news. Conforto back. Rajai Davis DFA'd


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Mets Designate Rajai Davis https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/mets-designate-rajai-davis.html
RE: Agree chances of Mets signing either is slim  
Rory : 5/26/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14455928 pjcas18 said:
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some good news. Conforto back. Rajai Davis DFA'd


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ahh... I hope they can resign him to the AAA squad. he provided nice defensive depth. That slide Friday night against the Tigers in the OF to prevent the ball from going past him and saving a run was a veteran skill that needs to be taught.
feel good about Wheeler today, hes due  
Rory : 5/26/2019 10:23 am : link
for a gem.

His walks are low and his K rate is increasing... hopefully he's close to regaining last years dominance.

LGM!
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