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pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 12:34 pm
not the starter I want (Keuchel), but hopefully he's just a couple weeks away.

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New Post: Mets Sign RHP Ervin Santana To Minor League Deal https://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=291776 #Mets #LGM
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LOL  
speedywheels : 5/24/2019 1:21 pm : link
They FINALLY acknowledge they need another starter, and they opt for Santana over someone like Gio.
RE: LOL  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14454943 speedywheels said:
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They FINALLY acknowledge they need another starter, and they opt for Santana over someone like Gio.


How is this different than signing Hector Santiago or going after Wilmer Font? Santana is worse than all of them?
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pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14454953 ZGiants98 said:
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They FINALLY acknowledge they need another starter, and they opt for Santana over someone like Gio.



How is this different than signing Hector Santiago or going after Wilmer Font? Santana is worse than all of them?


Agree, he's awful. no different than Font, only they didn't trade anyone for him.

It's a minor league deal, and who knows with the MLB veterans, sometimes they can come through in short stretches.
RE: RE: RE: LOL  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14454963 pjcas18 said:
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Agree, he's awful. no different than Font, only they didn't trade anyone for him.

It's a minor league deal, and who knows with the MLB veterans, sometimes they can come through in short stretches.

I think it's a good move. Sometimes these veterans surprise and end up becoming a solid contributor. See Anibal Sanchez last year.
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pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14455008 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14454963 pjcas18 said:


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Agree, he's awful. no different than Font, only they didn't trade anyone for him.

It's a minor league deal, and who knows with the MLB veterans, sometimes they can come through in short stretches.


I think it's a good move. Sometimes these veterans surprise and end up becoming a solid contributor. See Anibal Sanchez last year.


Absolutely nothing wrong with the move.

The Mets should have made 2 or 3 moves like this in November/December.

my only point is you should not expect much from it, Santana has been un-startable for a year plus.

Options though. That's what you want to give your team.
It's the same kind of move that the Mets made with R A Dickey  
Ira : 5/24/2019 2:29 pm : link
some years ago.
Dude was an all-star and pitched 211 innings  
Beezer : 5/24/2019 2:29 pm : link
2 seasons ago. Why not give him a shot to show something? Can't hurt. Gotta be better than Vargas.
RE: It's the same kind of move that the Mets made with R A Dickey  
Beezer : 5/24/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14455019 Ira said:
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some years ago.


Except that before coming to the Mets in his mid-30s, RA Dickey had been a steaming pile of poo. Santana was a solid starter.

Ya never know!
played well with Twins for a few years  
Rory : 5/24/2019 2:58 pm : link
2017 3.78ERA with 16 wins.

Always liked Santana

didn't fare well last or this season with CWS but he's been dealing with injuries with his fingers. Could be a nice spot starter to work with Vargas if healed
Santana was one of baseball's more underrated pitchers  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2019 3:04 pm : link
He had some excellent seasons where he was a solid #2-3 SP. 2013-2016 he was a very good pitcher. He was okay in 2017 where his ERA was good at 3.28 but his FIP was a 4.46. Still those numbers make him a solid backend option if he can regain that form.
Am I the only one  
allstarjim : 5/24/2019 3:32 pm : link
That thinks Font is a good gamble as a 4th or 5th starter?
RE: Am I the only one  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14455090 allstarjim said:
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That thinks Font is a good gamble as a 4th or 5th starter?


Yes.

Font has a career track record of being awful.

Santana is a better gamble IMO and didn't cost an 18 year old IFA the Mets signed (Neteraldo Catalina) less than a year ago with a mid-90's FB and a decent slider.

.  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 3:43 pm : link

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Michael Conforto (concussion) says he feels 100 percent, and could return from the injured list as soon as tomorrow.
Altherr called up, O'Rouke sent down  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 4:08 pm : link

Mike Puma
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Would you have believed me in spring training if I told you the Mets would open Memorial Day weekend with J.D. Davis, Carlos Gomez and Rajai Davis starting in the OF with Aaron Altherr available to come off the bench?
3:23 PM - 24 May 2019
RE: Am I the only one  
Metnut : 5/24/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14455090 allstarjim said:
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That thinks Font is a good gamble as a 4th or 5th starter?


The trade to go after him is fine. He has a few interesting traits. But, he doesnt look anywhere near ready to be starting games. I like to see some track record of success as a starter in AAA, or at least as a reliever in MLB, before having a guy start games
The trade for Font  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 4:26 pm : link
was not "fine" IMO.

Font is out of options and IMO will not last the season on the roster.

For that, and his awful MLB track record, despite some minor league success, you give up an 18 year old who you spent the 4th most of your IFA budget on this past July?

Yeah, that sounds fine.
Mets keep churning  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 5:13 pm : link
add Matt Kemp on a minors deal.


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Former future Met Matt Kemp is reportedly now with the #Mets on a minors deal, per @Ken_Rosenthal.
Seems like someone may be more hurt than initially thought  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 5:24 pm : link
Nimmo? or just b/c Cespedes is now known to be out all year.


Mike Puma
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So to summarize: the Mets added Matt Kemp and Ervin Santana today on minor league contracts and added Aaron Altherr to the major league roster.
RE: Seems like someone may be more hurt than initially thought  
speedywheels : 5/24/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14455196 pjcas18 said:
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Nimmo? or just b/c Cespedes is now known to be out all year.


Mike Puma
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So to summarize: the Mets added Matt Kemp and Ervin Santana today on minor league contracts and added Aaron Altherr to the major league roster.


Would be so Mets to only now have a contingency plan for Cespedes; given his track record of slow returns from being injured, there was very little reason to think that he would return anytime soon from his last injury (and that was before ankle fractures debacle).

It will also be so Mets like to pass on dallas keuchel when the fear of losing a draft pick passes in a few weeks, and send out a press release saying something to the effect of "we feel comfortable with the starters we have, plus we have Santana able to step in if needed".
My initial  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 5:45 pm : link
guess was Nimmo is worse than known, but we'll find out.

It's not like Syracuse had a tons of players pushing to get major league AB's.

I think Tebow is still starting in the OF there.

And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO
RE: My initial  
speedywheels : 5/24/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14455206 pjcas18 said:
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And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO


I don't see the Mets bidding at all. They'll maybe spew some nonsense about "reaching out to his agent", but they are too cheap to get in on him.
Thor is still angry about that bus ride  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 7:20 pm : link
Mets should start games at 4 AM so THor would be ready to go after partying his brains out. KInda of like an after hours party but only on a baseball diamond.
Noah always  
Rory : 5/24/2019 7:21 pm : link
needs like 20 pitches to get into a groove but 2 runs Thor? come on man
This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 7:52 pm : link
They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.
What a gutsy, gritty comeback by the bench mob  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 8:40 pm : link
5-4 Mets after an Hech 3 run HR

(obv just messing :-P)
RE: This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14455258 PhiPsi125 said:
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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.


When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.
RE: What a gutsy, gritty comeback by the bench mob  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14455272 ChaChing said:
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5-4 Mets after an Hech 3 run HR

(obv just messing :-P)


LOL...reverse psychology.
This is the outlaw lineup  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 8:47 pm : link
Guys who were washed up, guys nobody wanted, bandeleros
RE: My initial  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14455206 pjcas18 said:
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guess was Nimmo is worse than known, but we'll find out.

It's not like Syracuse had a tons of players pushing to get major league AB's.

I think Tebow is still starting in the OF there.

And I doubt the Mets are comfortable with their starting group even with Santana as minors depth.

If they don't sign Keuchel it will be because either a) someone does before the draft or b) someone outbids the Mets - IMO


Stiff neck means the disc is inflamed. Probably do down in ten days with cortisone. But will probably also be nagging all year
RE: RE: This is a woefully mediocre...at best.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14455273 pjcas18 said:
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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.



When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.


Thats fine. Its hard to complement a team as gritty or gutsy when they are under .500 and are very inconsistent against worse teams. Sure, they CAN have gritty or gutsy wins but I wouldnt exactly characterize them as that.

The prove me wrong comment was for the team, not for other posters to prove me wrong lol.
The best part of that comeback  
Rory : 5/24/2019 8:50 pm : link
Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks
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pjcas18 : 5/24/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14455280 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 14455258 PhiPsi125 said:


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They arent gutsy. They arent gritty. They just arent that good.

Prove me wrong.



When you are just not that good, but you compete it sort of fits most people's definition of gritty or gutsy.

if they hold on and win.



Thats fine. Its hard to complement a team as gritty or gutsy when they are under .500 and are very inconsistent against worse teams. Sure, they CAN have gritty or gutsy wins but I wouldnt exactly characterize them as that.

The prove me wrong comment was for the team, not for other posters to prove me wrong lol.


I know, they're trying to, but "Thor" keeps working against them.
Alonso  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 8:59 pm : link
goes boom. #17
Mickey really has his finger on the pulse of his pitchers, huh?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 9:09 pm : link
Hes a true managerial savant.
Altherr  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 9:20 pm : link
goes boom. Mets 7-6

Expected. A guy who was hitting like .030 or something. Even funnier given they just told us Brox hit one 475 in his 1st AB w/ Baltimore
This is quite the  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2019 9:34 pm : link
shit show
What did they say? 21 runs in the last 9 games for DET  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 9:36 pm : link
9 runs in 7 innings today
RE: The best part of that comeback  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14455281 Rory said:
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Was seeing Ramos go 12 pitches before hitting a single. If he can just get going, he has a history of going on HR streaks

Called it
Thor is just average  
Big Blue Hokie : 5/24/2019 10:03 pm : link
Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?
RE: Thor is just average  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14455312 Big Blue Hokie said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?


With a big mouth.
Nice gritty...loss?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2019 10:28 pm : link
Against a crappy team, no less.

Mediocre
Yeah that sucked. 4-0 W streak stopped by the offensive buzzsaw  
ChaChing : 5/24/2019 10:44 pm : link
that is the 0 for their last 9 Tigers

As exciting as the Ws were had they even gone 16-0 over this stretch, the telling part of the season came after it. Ironic the 4 Nats Ws made them 4-6 over the last 10 against awful teams

If just JDG & Thor hadn't fallen off early season, things would look different. But it's tough to get behind this team as a contender now, esp in the NLe. The only hope is the old 'it's a long season' and no one has taken a big the lead (tho Phi & Atl are moving up)
RE: Am I the only one  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14455090 allstarjim said:
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That thinks Font is a good gamble as a 4th or 5th starter?


No. Brodie agrees with you. The two of you against the world
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giantsFC : 5/24/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14455317 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.


I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.
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PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2019 7:57 am : link
In comment 14455337 giantsFC said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.



I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.


Especially when they have a case study for success right in their clubhouse with DeGrom. But hey, the NYC nightlife just too alluring for immature millionaires.
The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2019 9:34 am : link
to a minor league deal.
Wow he is no  
XBRONX : 5/25/2019 10:08 am : link
Thor, more like puss in boots.
RE: The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14455393 Jay on the Island said:
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to a minor league deal.


posted yesterday (in this thread), thanks though for anyone who didn't see it.
RE: RE: The Mets have signed OF Matt Kemp  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14455440 pjcas18 said:
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to a minor league deal.



posted yesterday (in this thread), thanks though for anyone who didn't see it.

My bad.
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giantsFC : 5/25/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14455371 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can we stop pretending Thor is an elite pitcher?



With a big mouth.



I think its Matt Harvey syndrome. We all saw it early but were in love w his golden mane. The NY media eats these egotisictial divas alive. Shame New York organizations dont study his and find ways to prevent these players from marketing themselves so poorly.



Especially when they have a case study for success right in their clubhouse with DeGrom. But hey, the NYC nightlife just too alluring for immature millionaires.


So true! For once the Mets kept the right guy. A reason I cant believe they let Murphy walk...for such a low risk salary too. Thst was my final breaking point w Mets btw. Letting a guy leave who could handle NY met media so well for what really was a rather fair contract.

Also when they let olerud walk. To me Zeile was Neil Walker before Neil Walker.







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