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Donovan McNabb believes heís absolutely a Hall of Famer

JoeyBigBlue : 5/24/2019 3:09 pm
Argues that he has better numbers than Aikman.



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That makes me  
PEEJ : 5/24/2019 3:10 pm : link
want to toss my cookies
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Greg from LI : 5/24/2019 3:11 pm : link
Never threw for 4,000 yards in a season, never, not once!  
90.Cal : 5/24/2019 3:14 pm : link
Threw for more than 25 TDs in a season, just once! Never won a SB... choked in his biggest games.. no way #5.. nice try.
Old Wormburner McNabb thinks he is a HOF'er?????  
GiantBlue : 5/24/2019 3:17 pm : link
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If puking, getting tired on the biggest drive of your life and killing a half million worms on football fields around America is definition of HOF'er.....He is in!
RE: Never threw for 4,000 yards in a season, never, not once!  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14455069 90.Cal said:
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Threw for more than 25 TDs in a season, just once! Never won a SB... choked in his biggest games.. no way #5.. nice try.

Wow, I thought those numbers weren't true but they are. With all that talent he had for years he never came close to Eli's best years. Only a 59.0 Career completion percentage as well. He was washed up at 34.

He is such an unlikable person. It has nothing to do with the fact that he was an Eagle either.
Doinky the Hair clown sez wut?  
FranknWeezer : 5/24/2019 3:20 pm : link
I don't doubt that he believes that  
Mike from Ohio : 5/24/2019 3:26 pm : link
So does his family and probably a large number of Eagle fans. But outside of that it is hard to imagine many people would even consider him for the HoF. He probably does have better stats than Aikman. He also has no Superbowl wins and no signature moments other than puking.

I can't think of a credible argument you can make to even start the conversation.
Too bad  
crick n NC : 5/24/2019 3:34 pm : link
Aikman never had his chance in a pass orientated offense. Aikman was one of the best throwers with the smarts and toughness mentally and physically in his time. Coinsider his time was with Montana, Young Elway, Marino, Favre and Kelly.
He is talking about the hall of shoe fame in Canton  
GiantsBlowout : 5/24/2019 3:35 pm : link
Donovan hit more WRs in the shoes than any QB in NFL history

He will have a special wing of the HOF for bouncing passes
Go watch the first half of the Eagles vs AZ  
arniefez : 5/24/2019 3:40 pm : link
championship game in 2008. That's all the McNabb you'll need to watch to know why he's not.
Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame  
St. Jimmy : 5/24/2019 3:46 pm : link
It's like faith  
David B. : 5/24/2019 4:04 pm : link
you can't reason someone OUT of it because they weren't reasoned IN to it to begin with.
RE: I don't doubt that he believes that  
mfsd : 5/24/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14455084 Mike from Ohio said:
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So does his family and probably a large number of Eagle fans. But outside of that it is hard to imagine many people would even consider him for the HoF. He probably does have better stats than Aikman. He also has no Superbowl wins and no signature moments other than puking.

I can't think of a credible argument you can make to even start the conversation.


I can share that most Eagles fans I know arenít big fans of his. Small sample size, I probably know 8-10 Eagles fans, but the stories of what a douchebag he has always been off the field are multiple and varied...not to mention they know he choked when it counted most.
Syracuse HOF  
MattyKid : 5/24/2019 4:38 pm : link
yes
He's a borderline hall of famer  
eclipz928 : 5/24/2019 4:52 pm : link
And he's right - had he one a super bowl he'd likely get in. But he didn't, so he's not getting in.
McNabb is right...  
bw in dc : 5/24/2019 4:53 pm : link
His #s are much better than Aikman's. But going through his seasons, I spot maybe 2 or 3 HoF-type seasons - tops. And that's not enough for me.

But I don't think Aikman belongs in the HoF either. HoF talent? Absolutely? A career resume to back it up? Sorry, but even with the 3 SBs, no. The regular seasons are pedestrian.



Of Course He Does  
wonderback : 5/24/2019 5:09 pm : link
So does his mother.

So what.
Wait, you mean this guy?  
Hsilwek92 : 5/24/2019 5:22 pm : link
He was good  
Nine-Tails : 5/24/2019 5:53 pm : link
For decent amount of time and was a pain. But there was nothing signature in his career. All I remember was his feud with T.O.
RE: McNabb is right...  
djm : 5/24/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14455166 bw in dc said:
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His #s are much better than Aikman's. But going through his seasons, I spot maybe 2 or 3 HoF-type seasons - tops. And that's not enough for me.

But I don't think Aikman belongs in the HoF either. HoF talent? Absolutely? A career resume to back it up? Sorry, but even with the 3 SBs, no. The regular seasons are pedestrian.

I say this with peace and love but if you donít see the greatness in Troy aikman you are completely lost. The guy was an absolute stone cold lock for the hof and for good reason. Make no mistake ailman was the most important member of those cowboys teams. Yes he had ol, rbs and WRs. He still won 3 Super Bowls. His accuracy and throw making ability was unmatched. His leadership and presence was even better.

Numbers arenít the end all be all. Window dressing.




Fucked up the quote sorry  
djm : 5/24/2019 6:07 pm : link
In short aikman should definitely be a first ballot hofer.
RE: Fucked up the quote sorry  
bw in dc : 5/24/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14455217 djm said:
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In short aikman should definitely be a first ballot hofer.


Like I said, Aikman had the physical attributes for sure. But the numbers have to mean something. And they have to at least be inspiring. He played 12 seasons. There are two seasons - maybe - that are HoF quality '92 and '93.

The other ten? I go back to the word pedestrian. See for yourself. He broke 20TD passes ONCE. And it wasn't like the '70s when teams played 14 games and the defenses were allowed to suffocate the passing game.
Considering how many QBs Andy Reid  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/24/2019 6:47 pm : link
has made look like Superman, McNabb's not HOF-caliber to me.
Lets not sell McNabb too short here  
twostepgiants : 5/24/2019 7:47 pm : link
he was a very good player and he is probably just short of the hall of fame

But he has no signature moments? Come on now. 4th and 26

4th and 26!

With 1:12 left in the divisional playoffs and they end up getting the win vs a very good Favre Packers team and going to NFC Championship.

Itís a huge play.

Thatís his signature moment
RE: Lets not sell McNabb too short here  
Leg of Theismann : 5/24/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14455252 twostepgiants said:
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he was a very good player and he is probably just short of the hall of fame

But he has no signature moments? Come on now. 4th and 26

4th and 26!

With 1:12 left in the divisional playoffs and they end up getting the win vs a very good Favre Packers team and going to NFC Championship.

Itís a huge play.

Thatís his signature moment


Agreed. As a Giants fan, I was always afraid of McNabb. The guy just never seemed to go down when the first pass rusher got to him. So many 3rd and Longs over the years where he extended the play and made heart-breaking completion for a first down.

And I wouldn't point to lack of 4000 yard passing seasons and 25 TD seasons a reason he shouldn't make it. Just padding passing stats like that is not always what makes a Great QB. He had a 234-117 TD-INT ratio (exactly 2:1) and also tacked on 30 rushing TDs and 3500 yards rushing. 98-62-1 as a starter. 5 straight NFC Championship appearances (I think I have that right).

I remember John Madden saying something along the lines of When God made Donovan McNabb he took everything he had on the shelf: size, strength, speed, agility, quickness, arm talent, intelligence. He was overall one of the most gifted QBs of his era. He may have never maximized his potential to be honest.

I'm not saying he should get in but it's not a completely ridiculous argument. If the Eagles win that super bowl against the Pats I think he would have a very compelling case.
Heís borderline to me  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/24/2019 8:14 pm : link
He was much better than some of you give him credit for. And I absolutely despise that smug sob.

He did throw a lot of balls in the dirt but it kept his INTs low. The great Tom Brady kills a ton of worms too. His ability to pass outside of the pocket was also a huge plus, he was an ideal WCO QB besides his ok accuracy and inability to handle the big moment.

Hall of Very Good imo.
RE: RE: Fucked up the quote sorry  
djm : 5/24/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14455222 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14455217 djm said:


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In short aikman should definitely be a first ballot hofer.



Like I said, Aikman had the physical attributes for sure. But the numbers have to mean something. And they have to at least be inspiring. He played 12 seasons. There are two seasons - maybe - that are HoF quality '92 and '93.

The other ten? I go back to the word pedestrian. See for yourself. He broke 20TD passes ONCE. And it wasn't like the '70s when teams played 14 games and the defenses were allowed to suffocate the passing game.


I used to say the same shit about aikman too but I think some QBs it just goes beyond the stats and numbers. Plus, you HAVE to give great play in great moments serious weight and aikman checks off more than enough boxes there.

Bottom line is he did too many great things, he has to be in Canton. The qb always gets too much credit or blame but it is what it is. When a qb delivers like aikman did it will be the only story in the end. Same with Eli when all is said and done. Eli should have to wait longer to get in to canton than aikman did in my view but in the end heíll get in.
McNabb had very little at WR during his first 8-9 years.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/24/2019 9:01 pm : link
Owens had the one great season in 2004. Otherwise, it was a whole lot of Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Kevin Curtis and whoever wandered in off South Broad Street. Even in 2004, McNabb had to get through the NFC playoffs without TO, and he played well with garbage at wideout. By the time Philly drafted Jackson and Maclin, McNabb was already close to done.

Hall of Fame? Nope. Very good player, though, and a pain in the ass for the Giants as late as 2009.
Some Eagle Fan Friends Used to Rip Him Constantly  
Rafflee : 5/24/2019 9:42 pm : link
The truth is, he was a similar QB to Eli based on his standing with his contemporaries--- He was forever 4-5-6 or so.....Never a Top 3 guy. Reid stifled him a lot--- tehy gave him a wide receiver once--TO.

Put a ring on his finger and he'd probably make an argument. Heck...how close are Phil and Boomer to the HOF? It's a tough crowd.
RE: Some Eagle Fan Friends Used to Rip Him Constantly  
FStubbs : 5/24/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14455305 Rafflee said:
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The truth is, he was a similar QB to Eli based on his standing with his contemporaries--- He was forever 4-5-6 or so.....Never a Top 3 guy. Reid stifled him a lot--- tehy gave him a wide receiver once--TO.

Put a ring on his finger and he'd probably make an argument. Heck...how close are Phil and Boomer to the HOF? It's a tough crowd.


Sadly, I'm pretty sure if you took a poll of NFL players from 1999-2019 and said who was the better QB, McNabb or Eli, McNabb would run away with it.

And also, McNabb to me is in the Matt Ryan tier of "pretty good", but not remotely a Hall of Famer.
Well all that matter is stats.  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/24/2019 10:13 pm : link
Itís all We hear these days. And you will get guys who had very good careers claim they belong. The Hall of Very Good is where we are headed
Donnie McPuke has no business even being considered for the HoF!  
SterlingArcher : 5/24/2019 10:54 pm : link
If McPuke gets is Eli is a guaranteed first ballot Hofer!
I know im supposed to hate him, Eagle and all  
John In CO : 5/24/2019 10:58 pm : link
but in addition to being an Eagle QB, he was also my fantasy FB QB for several seasons. Dude helped win me a LOT of $$$. All i remember getting from him week to week was over 300 yds passing and over 100 yds rushing. I think he is being vastly undersold by some here due to the Eagles thing. I dont think he is a HOF'er, no SB victories...but he was pretty damn good.
People throwing numbers out there like  
kes722 : 5/25/2019 12:08 am : link
They dont know it was a different era and he was one of the best of that era. As a Giants fan I hate that fucker..... But giants fans only hate "fuckers" of division rivals when they kick your ass.

Donavan McNabb was an Eagle.. hence fourth he will always be a POS. But that POS was one hell of a QB.



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RE: People throwing numbers out there like  
Mad Mike : 5/25/2019 12:50 am : link
In comment 14455341 kes722 said:
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They dont know it was a different era and he was one of the best of that era.

It was a different era. And he was not one of the best of that era.

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As a Giants fan I hate that fucker..... But giants fans only hate "fuckers" of division rivals when they kick your ass.

I actually respect McNabb quite a bit, specifically because of what he did against the Giants. Doesn't make him a hall of famer.

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Donavan McNabb was an Eagle.. hence fourth he will always be a POS. But that POS was one hell of a QB.

While I don't like guys who played for the Eagles, I don't necessarily think they're POS. And I agree, McNabb was a hell of a QB. The bar for the HOF is higher than "hell of a player". And he falls short. Well short.


RE: RE: People throwing numbers out there like  
short lease : 5/25/2019 1:27 am : link
In comment 14455343 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 14455341 kes722 said:


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They dont know it was a different era and he was one of the best of that era.


It was a different era. And he was not one of the best of that era.



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As a Giants fan I hate that fucker..... But giants fans only hate "fuckers" of division rivals when they kick your ass.


I actually respect McNabb quite a bit, specifically because of what he did against the Giants. Doesn't make him a hall of famer.



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Donavan McNabb was an Eagle.. hence fourth he will always be a POS. But that POS was one hell of a QB.


While I don't like guys who played for the Eagles, I don't necessarily think they're POS. And I agree, McNabb was a hell of a QB. The bar for the HOF is higher than "hell of a player". And he falls short. Well short.



IIRC - Randall Cunningham gave us more trouble than McNabb. Randall did have a better team though - imo.

Don't see McNabb in the HOF anytime soon.
RE: Lets not sell McNabb too short here  
Mike from Ohio : 5/25/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14455252 twostepgiants said:
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he was a very good player and he is probably just short of the hall of fame

But he has no signature moments? Come on now. 4th and 26

4th and 26!

With 1:12 left in the divisional playoffs and they end up getting the win vs a very good Favre Packers team and going to NFC Championship.

Itís a huge play.

Thatís his signature moment


I think you are confusing ďsignature momentĒ with ďnice play.Ē

Packers are in a prevent defense and Mcnabb has all day to throw and a pocket the size of Green Bay. He zips it straight down the middle of the field to a guy standing at the sticks with three packers BEHIND him.

It was a clutch play in a big game, but was a routine throw most QBs could have made under those circumstances and didnít lead to a championship. I would not call that a signature moment at all but all are entitled to their own opinions.
In his hey day McNabb was one of the top QBS in the NFL on a good  
TMS : 5/25/2019 4:29 pm : link
Eagles team. Do not know what their evaluations entail but he belongs in the conversation.
RE: Lets not sell McNabb too short here  
Bramton1 : 5/25/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14455252 twostepgiants said:
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he was a very good player and he is probably just short of the hall of fame

But he has no signature moments? Come on now. 4th and 26

4th and 26!

With 1:12 left in the divisional playoffs and they end up getting the win vs a very good Favre Packers team and going to NFC Championship.

Itís a huge play.

Thatís his signature moment


Yes, his signature moment was a play that extended their season so the Eagles could go on and lose the following week as well.

If the Eagles won the Super Bowl that season, 4th and 26 would mean a helluva lot more. Now, it's just a footnote.
Chucklehead his whole career  
Jimmy Googs : 5/25/2019 5:22 pm : link
His biggest contribution to NFL was feuding with TO...
I donít believe he is but Aikmans #s  
Rover : 5/25/2019 6:26 pm : link
Are very pedestrian. I thought they were much better.
What gives? Itís not like he played that long ago in the low passing era.
RE: I donít believe he is but Aikmans #s  
bw in dc : 5/26/2019 7:34 am : link
In comment 14455670 Rover said:
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Are very pedestrian. I thought they were much better.
What gives? Itís not like he played that long ago in the low passing era.


This is going to sound very odd coming from me, but I can make a case Eliís career is better than Aikmanís. And Eli was/is the better QB.
that is  
BigBlueCane : 5/26/2019 8:27 am : link
very odd.
Iím a little surprised at some of the love McNabb  
Section331 : 5/26/2019 11:30 am : link
is getting here. He was a very good QB, but not even close to being a HOF caliber QB. He had pedestrian numbers playing for one of the most QB-friendly HCís in recent NFL history. Yes, he had better numbers than Troy Aikman, but Aikman is in due in large part to his teamís success. If Aikman has one SB, would he be in? I donít think so.

Sorry Donovan, you have a snowballís chance in hell at the HOF.
RE: In his hey day McNabb was one of the top QBS in the NFL on a good  
Toth029 : 5/26/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14455577 TMS said:
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Eagles team. Do not know what their evaluations entail but he belongs in the conversation.


Put in Steve McNair first.
Was he robbed on his one SB appearance?  
justafan : 5/26/2019 5:44 pm : link
Wasn't that one of the times the Eagles were caught cheating was against Philly in the boob bowl? With that said, he also threw 3 interceptions in that game. Brady threw none.

I think he was a good QB, not sure about HoF. But those Reid Eagles were always competitive, though all Reid teams seem to be competitive. Remember the Donovan McNabb D.C. experiment? Lol.
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