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B.J. Hill set rookie record for sacks by a New York Giant

gidiefor : Mod : 5/25/2019 9:28 am
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B.J. HILL, DT, NEW YORK GIANTS

Did you know that B.J. Hill set the rookie record for sacks by a New York Giant? I didn't, before I started writing this post. But 5.5 is indeed the record, and was good enough for second on the Giants' team last year after Olivier Vernon.

Hill leveraged a strong senior season and Senior Bowl into a Day 2 selection, and with the Giants, he moved from an interior alignment to a big 3-4 role under DC James Bettcher. His length, size, and quickness shined on the outside, and the Giants should expect him, Dalvin Tomlinson, and rookie Dexter Lawrence to form a fearsome interior for the seasons to come.”

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LT had 9.5 as a rookie  
Steve in ATL : 5/25/2019 9:38 am : link
but the NFL didn't keep sack records back then.
Not a high bar  
allstarjim : 5/25/2019 9:43 am : link
Guys like Strahan, Tuck, and Umenyiora didn't really get the reps on the DL their rookie years to set any kind of record. Unfortunately.
RE: LT had 9.5 as a rookie  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/25/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14455395 Steve in ATL said:
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but the NFL didn't keep sack records back then.


Officially, Strahan holds the NYG career record, but if you count LT's 9.5 sacks his rookie year, LT still holds it.
That’s really cool.  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/25/2019 9:44 am : link
Not sure what it means. Hopefully he continues to improve.


I wonder if there is a way to figure out how effective a sack is. 3rd downs, big losses, etc.
...  
christian : 5/25/2019 9:44 am : link
I love Hill’s upside, especially that he showed he could stay on the field as the season progressed. By the end of the year he was a full time player, a great sign as rookie DL often hit a wall.
Did JPP play as a rookie?  
ZogZerg : 5/25/2019 9:53 am : link
Yeah, 5.5 isn't a huge number, but it's promising that a young player has the 2nd most rookie sacks behind the best defensive player ever.

Hill wasn't playing full time either, folks. He should improve this year and provide a good pass rusher for the Giants.
When coaches started to speak so glowingly of Hill  
j_rud : 5/25/2019 10:03 am : link
last offseason and preseason I immediately became dubious (call it the "Darian Thompson Effect") but he had a heckuva season. If theres anothet BJ Hill-type impact from a mid-rounder this year and they hit on the top picks again too this team can be competitive again quicker than we thought.
RE: Did JPP play as a rookie?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/25/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14455403 ZogZerg said:
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He did. 4.5.
A few weeks back,  
Diver_Down : 5/25/2019 10:15 am : link
there was a thread predicting a breakout player for 2019. Myself and George were the only ones that were clear on the upside of BJ Hill. He is an original Red Hat Gangsta and will continue his reign of terror.
RE: A few weeks back,  
Diver_Down : 5/25/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14455413 Diver_Down said:
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there was a thread predicting a breakout player for 2019. Myself and George were the only ones that were clear on the upside of BJ Hill. He is an original Red Hat Gangsta and will continue his reign of terror.


Correction, it was UncleDave not George and it wasn't a few weeks but only last week. My original response to Bucky's breakout player thread - here
RE: When coaches started to speak so glowingly of Hill  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/25/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14455406 j_rud said:
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last offseason and preseason I immediately became dubious (call it the "Darian Thompson Effect") but he had a heckuva season. If theres anothet BJ Hill-type impact from a mid-rounder this year and they hit on the top picks again too this team can be competitive again quicker than we thought.

Kid was an obvious stud in preseason, the Russell Wilson of DEs. Iirc Snacks said he was the best DL on the team, or something to that effect.
Here's another record he set  
montanagiant : 5/25/2019 10:22 am : link
He's the first 3rd round draft pick since 2008 when we took Mario Manningham that seems to be a player who not only contributes but makes plays
RE: RE: LT had 9.5 as a rookie  
regulator : 5/25/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14455399 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14455395 Steve in ATL said:


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but the NFL didn't keep sack records back then.



Officially, Strahan holds the NYG career record, but if you count LT's 9.5 sacks his rookie year, LT still holds it.


By .5, which is pretty funny.
RE: Did JPP play as a rookie?  
Giants_Rock : 5/25/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14455403 ZogZerg said:
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Yeah, 5.5 isn't a huge number, but it's promising that a young player has the 2nd most rookie sacks behind the best defensive player ever.

Hill wasn't playing full time either, folks. He should improve this year and provide a good pass rusher for the Giants.


JPP had 4.5 as a rookie and 16.5 his second yar. I don't expect Hill to get that many but i think he can be in the double digits.
Looks like DG senior bowl scouting been doing fine  
NephilimGiants : 5/25/2019 11:29 am : link
Hill Lawrence and Olson Pierre may be better trio. Ill expect Tomlinson to be another one off Reese's list
RE: Here's another record he set  
90.Cal : 5/25/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14455420 montanagiant said:
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He's the first 3rd round draft pick since 2008 when we took Mario Manningham that seems to be a player who not only contributes but makes plays


He broke the streak of terrible 3rd round picks.

Webb
Darian
Owa
Bromley
DaMontre
Hosley
Jernigan
Chad Jones
Barden
Beckum

Wow, that's a bad list.



Seems like they lined up Hill in a 4/3 DE  
idiotsavant : 5/25/2019 11:36 am : link
Spot once or twice (outside shoulder the left OT?) ,to good effect, using a sort of half bull rush.

I would imagine that Dexter L could also do this on occasion. It's another position / scheme variety thing.

The 'inside / out 5', contain the pocket with bigs and run blitz the interior using 2 lbs and one DL.
RE: RE: Here's another record he set  
Klaatu : 5/25/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14455462 90.Cal said:
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In comment 14455420 montanagiant said:


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He's the first 3rd round draft pick since 2008 when we took Mario Manningham that seems to be a player who not only contributes but makes plays



He broke the streak of terrible 3rd round picks.

Webb
Darian
Owa
Bromley
DaMontre
Hosley
Jernigan
Chad Jones
Barden
Beckum

Wow, that's a bad list.




Go back 30+ years; it gets even worse (except for Justin Tuck). Either a bust, injury-prone, or very often a catastrophic, career-ending injury. Several years ago I began a thread titled, "The Curse of the 3rd Round" because of that.
Feel Free  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/25/2019 11:58 am : link
to post all the sack numbers you want. I'll take LT over everybody else when it comes to sacking the QB.
RE: Looks like DG senior bowl scouting been doing fine  
Klaatu : 5/25/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14455460 NephilimGiants said:
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Hill Lawrence and Olson Pierre may be better trio. Ill expect Tomlinson to be another one off Reese's list


Tomlinson (25), isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. It appears he's been taking the majority of his snaps as the 1st team NT, as they shift Lawrence around. They've also got him on his rookie deal for the next two seasons.

Pierre (27), like Markus Golden, is on a one-year deal, and is also trying to return to the form he had when Bettcher was his DC in Arizona (2017). He was awful last year, but there's reason to believe that that was because of the change in scheme after Bettcher left. We'll see. In any event, the Giants will most likely keep both of them this year, along with R.J. McIntosh, and maybe the DT they drafted late.
Love how Hill plays the game  
g-baby : 5/25/2019 12:07 pm : link
Nasty guy. Bulldog mentality. Great rookie season and plenty of upside still. His game Reminds me of a slightly larger Cullen Jenkins. This man will be the tone setter on DL
RE: Looks like DG senior bowl scouting been doing fine  
BMac : 5/25/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14455460 NephilimGiants said:
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Hill Lawrence and Olson Pierre may be better trio. Ill expect Tomlinson to be another one off Reese's list


Seriously doubt it. There have been no rumors of any trouble with Tomlinson either on the field or in the locker room.
RE: RE: Here's another record he set  
BMac : 5/25/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14455462 90.Cal said:
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In comment 14455420 montanagiant said:


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He's the first 3rd round draft pick since 2008 when we took Mario Manningham that seems to be a player who not only contributes but makes plays



He broke the streak of terrible 3rd round picks.

Webb
Darian
Owa
Bromley
DaMontre
Hosley
Jernigan
Chad Jones
Barden
Beckum

Wow, that's a bad list.


Why is Chad Jones on there? He crapped out because of his accident, not because he wasn't able.
I have always said in previous threads  
DonnieD89 : 5/25/2019 12:20 pm : link
that the addition of Dexter Lawrence will make BJ Hill a better player. I do expect a bigger season from him this coming season.
Every season is a new one for most players. it’s the rare player who  
plato : 5/25/2019 1:57 pm : link
improves year by year, especially the second year. has no one here heard of the “sophomore slump”? it may or may not be true for Hill, but the phrase wasn’t coined for no empirical reason and has wide application.

There are LTs and there is everybody else. I always have good expectations but after 70 so years as a giant fan, i have learned, year by year, day by day.
Hill and McIntosh have a long way to go but the talent is there  
No Where Man : 5/25/2019 2:19 pm : link
Hill did record 3.5 of the 5.5 sacks in one game...
I really liked  
darren in pdx : 5/25/2019 2:26 pm : link
Hill last year, played well as a rookie. He has a bright future ahead of him, but didn't realise he broke a rookie record. Lawrence is going to help everyone else around him look even better, so hyped for Lawrence this year!
The most impressive thing is that he's 311 pounds  
adamg : 5/25/2019 2:56 pm : link
We haven't had interior pass rush from a single player like that in a long time. (Hankins fluke-y second year?) Hill is a guy I'm praying shows at least the same amount of production going into year two. He could be a weapon and our first big hit in the third round in a decade seemingly.

I had made a thread on this exact record towards the end of last year, and there was a lot of talk about how it's not a real record because of LT. While there is some truth to that, 5.5 sacks is a great year for a rookie DL.
RE: Feel Free  
Jay in Toronto : 5/25/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14455473 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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to post all the sack numbers you want. I'll take LT over everybody else when it comes to sacking the QB.


Gee that's going out on a limb ;)
If any record deserves an asterisk, it's this one  
BH28 : 5/26/2019 6:29 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Here's another record he set  
90.Cal : 5/30/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14455478 BMac said:
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In comment 14455462 90.Cal said:


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In comment 14455420 montanagiant said:


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He's the first 3rd round draft pick since 2008 when we took Mario Manningham that seems to be a player who not only contributes but makes plays



He broke the streak of terrible 3rd round picks.

Webb
Darian
Owa
Bromley
DaMontre
Hosley
Jernigan
Chad Jones
Barden
Beckum

Wow, that's a bad list.



Why is Chad Jones on there? He crapped out because of his accident, not because he wasn't able.


He's another 3rd round crap out...

Giving the person doing the drafting a pass because the guy they picked doesn't pan out due to an injury is not the point... the bottom line is the guy didnt pan out.

It may seem harsh but injuries dont factor in for me deciding whether a pick is a bust... either they produce after there name gets called or they dont. Keep it simple. Chad Jones is a big time bust. Could have happened to anyone, yes, but it just happened to be our 3rd round pick who's career ended before it got started, no one else's. Therefore he definitely gets included.
RE: RE: Here's another record he set  
Platos : 5/30/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14455462 90.Cal said:
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Chad Jones



crazy how Chad Jones was probably the best pick out of that group but had a tragic accident cut him short.
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