Is Gettleman doing a good job?

I think he shows a clear vision and acts on that vision.

Plan.. weather or not he Executes it is till be determined. He is building through the draft while targeting skill sets that fit the coaches schemes. I also believe drafting a QB who can take his time and learn under a real pro is the best approach.

In comment 14455697 adamg said:

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I think he shows a clear vision and acts on that vision.

Same here and I like the fact he doesn't seem to give a shit what anyone outside the organization thinks either.

He's willing to stand by his decisions in the biggest media market there is and not waver if any of those decisions aren't popular. That shows me he's confident in his decisions, and it gives me some confidence in them as well.

we'll see. Some of his free agent moves have been questionable, but at least he lets the garbage go. He's not afraid to go against popular opinion. His emphasis on culture is a good thing. All in all, I like him. I think the Giants are being developed into a contender, but they're not there yet.

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But seriously, both of his draft look like HRs.

The OL was never close to being fixed....now, we have proven NFL talent.

No Ego. Mistakes are dealt with right away. Instead of being excused away, just to be proven wrong over and over.

Fixes problems....corners....check!

Takes the heat on vs passing the buck.

Now, its a results business...they must start winning sooner then later.

of controlling the line of scrimmage offensively and defensively makes me think of our great 80's teams. Of course we don't have the great linebackers we did then, but am hoping the current group is up and coming though in all likelihood, still a work in progress. Seems Gettleman has cornered the market in corners, which in a pass happy league, seems to make more sense than having 4 all world linebackers.

So, his chips are placed on the offensive and defensive lines. This is certainly a time honored belief. If your team can cover well on top of that, then there's no easy way for teams to beat you. They really have to earn it. There is still work to be done, but I like what I see so far. I think we will start to see some dividends this year, regardless of which QB is at the helm. If Gettleman puts together another solid draft next year, I think we'll have a very very competive team.

collectively seem much more important than the departures. I can't believe he shored up the OL, the DT position, and acquired a whole new secondary. Seems like a very promising roster.

Personally, I think the players he got rid of, or did not re-sign for the Panthers and Giants, weren�t mistakes at all.

The only glaring mistake so far in NY was Omameh. That was just a bad decision made too quickly while trying to implement his rebuild.

I�ve always disagreed with those who claimed he didn�t have a plan. He whiffed on some FAs last year, but hit on several draft picks and had made decisive moves for the team�s future this offseason.

But in the end, he�ll always be judged based on how the transition from Eli works out. He�s made his move with the Jones pick...will be a few years before we can say for sure whether he got it right.

He has mismanaged resources greatly. Letting Collins walk for nothing is terrible. I understand not wanting to pay him, that's fine, but then he needed to be traded before the deadline. The team had to know the situation contract and play wise 5 months earlier. The Odell trade was terrible in my opinion as well. Odell is a generational receiver. The trade compensation was way too low especially considering the massive dead cap space we took. I hate when Gettleman tries say that getting Peppers is like getting a first rounder. He is on the 3rd year of his deal and has played mediocre so far. Even if he is right on Peppers talent level, we only get him on cost control for another 2 years after this instead of 4 (factoring in 5th year option that will increase his pay). While Saquon is a great player and I am happy to have him on the team, it is still questionable logic to take him number 2 use such a valuable resource on him (obviously his play has been stellar, not trying to debate that). The verdict on that decision will be how long can he actually keep up playing, and whether a team a team that can win can built within that time period. Once again, no knock on the talent.

His drafting talent-wise last year looked good, but no one can judge a draft after a year (other than the Colts who sent like 3 players to the all-pro teams). We have had plenty of drafts that have looked good and then been terrible. As for this year's draft, we haven't seen them play, so who knows, but it worries me that he puts any stock into the senior bowl game as a scouting device, especially for QBs. Its like using the Pro-Bowl to scout free agents.

His free agents have not been good, and that's not even debatable. We had to cut multiple guys we signed last year to multi year deals. Solder did not play like even a top 5 LT, and I think the Golden Tate contract is high, and a weird signing given his age. Also, not a signing, but why the hell did we trade for Ogletree and his cap hit?

Not to be completely negative, trading JPP was a great move, and I think resigning Shep before this year could turn out to be smart, especially looking at the money other guys got this year and the increased looks he's probably going to get.

I think he'll fix the o-line which will make the team competitive. I haven't hated any of his moves this offseason. Picking Jones has really changed my view of the team. At least the future is on the team. We'll see what sort of future it is.

The flak that he (and Jones) have taken from the national and local media is pretty ridiculous...

Next offseason will be very interesting... Significant cap room and possibly his first draft that he doesn�t have a roster littered with holes...

Him being hated by the press (if true) is his own doing.

He is a dipshit in that regard and couldn't even handle the drafting of Jones well.

That said, I like his approach to building a football team.

Guess we'll see, but I'm bullish of the Giants going forward with Gettleman.

on the Daniel Jones selection. If Jones is great DG will be hailed as a hero. If Jones busts out, DG will be run out of town.

he's doing a great job.

As good or better than the quarterbacks they passed on last draft, it will go down as great move

If Jones turns into a star, it is an all time move

I like Gettleman.

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You want to win? Then you have to hold your own or better at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. This coming season is the first one in a long time I'm confident we will achieve that fundamental goal.

There's still work to do and I've said all along that 2020 would be the year we return to contention. That said the schedule this year is favorable and we have a chance to get to .500 or perhaps slightly better.

This class hasn�t even played a down. How about we wait and see what happens?

This place has turned into a delusional cult.

he is doing a great job in an initially really tough situation

too early to tell, but his philosophy of building from the inside out with the lines is certainly defensible, and also belies the claim that he doesn't have a "plan." His draft last year was excellent, but his FA acquisitions overall were poor. We obviously don't know about this year's draft picks and FA acquisitions, but I agree that his legacy depends on Jones. That's true of any GM who uses a top 10 pick on a QB.

Though I won't say fire him. We have to wait for 2020 season to finish.

His Free Agent signings are filled with blunders which is the worst of it.

I think Jones was an awful pick but ofc as I say above we'll have to wait and see. But as of this moment it looks horrid imo but this is only a small/minor part of his terrible rating. His comment he knows Jones would've been taken earlier -- why believe him?

He should be younger in the OL and he's not. The Jordan Tate pickup was laughable. As was the trade the prior year for Ogeltree in terms of what we're paying him. Just think 26 yo ILB Jordan Hicks is making near the same as 30 yo Tate. The Solder pickup instead of getting two young IL was another blunder. SHould've traded Collins earlier.

With all that said if Jones turns out good and -- he has cap money next year and potentially this past draft and next year's might be decent enough - then it could all work out despite his past blunders.

Of him or the head coach. His gross misevaluation of the roster last year was all I needed to cement my belief that this regime isn�t the one which will be responsible for the next consistent winner here. And while it bears no bearing on his decision making, personally it irks me to no end the majority in the media perceives the man as a clueless buffoon who is directing a rudderless operation with no plan.

In comment 14455785 AcidTest said:

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too early to tell, but his philosophy of building from the inside out with the lines is certainly defensible, and also belies the claim that he doesn't have a "plan." His draft last year was excellent, but his FA acquisitions overall were poor. We obviously don't know about this year's draft picks and FA acquisitions, but I agree that his legacy depends on Jones. That's true of any GM who uses a top 10 pick on a QB.

This stuff about "he's building inside-out" is an illusion. His center isn't good nor is his RT. His RT and LT and his center aren;t long term solutions though the lT will hang a bit but by the time they can potentially be very good the 2020 season he'll really be exposed.

WHen some of you say build from the inside out - you refer to defense, he still doens't have a clear pass rusher. It's all hope that Golden can come back or someone shocks us. That's not "building" - it's closer to calling in a prayer. OFC the prayer might work but it's mroe out of luck than competence.

**Let's not go overboard what DG has built. LAst year we were the worst up front at both offense and defense and until proven otherwise why say what's he's built is something good? Ohh yeah I forgot with some posters the "great" Mike Remmers who signed a $1.125m contract is a lock to shut down the hole at RT.

In comment 14455789 giantstock said:

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Though I won't say fire him. We have to wait for 2020 season to finish. His Free Agent signings are filled with blunders which is the worst of it. I think Jones was an awful pick but ofc as I say above we'll have to wait and see. But as of this moment it looks horrid imo but this is only a small/minor part of his terrible rating. His comment he knows Jones would've been taken earlier -- why believe him? He should be younger in the OL and he's not. The Jordan Tate pickup was laughable. As was the trade the prior year for Ogeltree in terms of what we're paying him. Just think 26 yo ILB Jordan Hicks is making near the same as 30 yo Tate. The Solder pickup instead of getting two young IL was another blunder. SHould've traded Collins earlier. With all that said if Jones turns out good and -- he has cap money next year and potentially this past draft and next year's might be decent enough - then it could all work out despite his past blunders.

Made a typo meant OL instead of IL with Soldier.

If the Giants win 5 games again, the answer will be "NO."

Rebuilds in the NFL happen quickly. Guys have short careers and are under team control for only 4-5 years. It's not like the other sports where you can have a long rebuild. If you wait that long, the guys you drafted year ONE will already be free agents in year FIVE.

So Giants have have more wins--I would say at least 8--for DG's plan to be considered a success. They don't have to make the playoffs but they have to be competing for a playoff spot at the end.

The concentration of talent at the top of the draft is acute. Gettleman has had the no. 2 and no. 6 overall picks. He's also traded essentially all of the talent on the team to accrue more top 75 picks.

This, by design, should not last. There's basically no more talent to trade and hopefully the Giants aren't picking at the top.

He's built a young, cost-controlled base through the draft. That's a great first step. Now they have to prove it.

His UFA acquisitions have been underwhelming. I don't think his big gets in Solder or Tate were wise. Both were deep into their careers and getting paid above their performance. I also think the idea of "who else was available, you had to sign ..." is a terrible way to manage a team.

I also think he's signed a bunch of basically no ones on defense from the Cardinals, and I don't think any of them are part of the future. Feels like Dan Reeves and the New York Broncos.

1. Gettleman understands that football games are contested in a confined area and therefore are won by power in the trenches. The previous GM did not. Plus one for DG.

2. Gettleman's first act as GM was to fire Marc Ross, who was THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON that the GIANTS had fallen from one of the best teams in the league to one of the worst. Plus another one for DG.

3. Gettleman has apparently cleaned out the locker room negativity and divisiveness that was left from the previous regime. Plus another one for DG.

4. Gettleman understands how to play the vet acquisition and free agent game. The previous GM really did not. Don't get hung up on DG's widely publicized failed vet FA signings, he has also made some good ones, like upgrading the gunners, the return men, the wideout depth, and the Fullback without expending significant resources, and by trading a 7th rounder to upgrade the punter. And any one who thinks the GIANTS got nothing for Landon Collins simply does not understand how the league works. The team is likely getting a higher compensatory draft pick for him than they would have received if they had simply traded him last season. Plus another one for DG.

5. Gettleman's first draft looks like it will be the best draft the team has had in more than a decade. Plus another one for DG.

6. The jury is still out on Gettleman's second draft, but it does look promising in both quantity and quality of players acquired - probably more promising than any for the prior regime in more than a decade. Obviously Daniel Jones will make or break this draft, but beyond him, it looks good. Plus another one for DG.

7. Gettleman is also bringing the player contract situation under control. Under the previous regime, it had gotten totally out of hand in both relative and absolute terms as they resorted to throwing truck loads of money at players when nothing else was working. Plus another one for DG.

This team had become such a disaster that it was not going to be turned around in one year. But the team is being turned around. Whether or not it will be successful long term remains to be seen, but Gettleman has begun to reverse the long downhill slide of the previous regime, and is doing a good job of giving them a real chance to be successful again.

His first draft was outstanding:
Barkley, Hernandez, BJ, Lorenzo are all impact starters this season.

He's turned over an amazing amount of roster players (see other threads for details).

Anyone bashing him not for having immediate success doesn't understand football. It always takes 2-3 years even when you are doing the right things.

Sure there's Omameh, and not getting anything for LC, but he has almost completely turned over the roster in such a short time. I don't think that this team can be fairly judged based on this year's record either. I think 2020 is going to be a better gauge of this overhaul.

Personally I'm careful to equate new with good. I'm hopeful the roster will mature successfully. Not all of the acquisitions will succeed.

And there are still many critical areas, and I agree, another quality offseason is needed.

Center, right tackle, free safety, inside line backer, outside line backer, and WR need more talent before this is a championship team.

But people declaring this years class as great 5 weeks after the draft is a little much

But I think Gettleman has chosen a very risky path for the future.

Foregoing the huge cap savings by keeping 38 year old Eli, instead of investing that money elsewhere to further improve the team, and drafting the riskiest QB in this draft at #6.

Too early to tell. Let�s give him 2 more years.

so far i like what he's done.

and can we please stop saying we let collins walk for nothing? do we forget he had surgery on his torn labrum AFTER the trade deadline? do we forget the chiefs 3rd or 4th is probably just as good as the 3rd round comp pick we'll get?

maybe if he didn't get hurt we'd of made him an offer or tagged him. but we didn't... but stop acting like we're not getting compensated in anyway.

We can judge him based on a year, have a general view of his first year, and still be open to criticizing his moves as they happen.

But obviously Jones is a big factor

Doesn't get too much credit for Barkley, a real no brainer of a pick, and while I think he did great with Hernandez and OK (to be seen this year with both Carter and Hill, WTF did he select Lauletta - who likely doesn't have NFL tools let alone the head - when an OL like Tyrell Crosby was on the board?

The Lauletta pick in retrospect was a total whiff, and given Eli's age we all knew DG was gonna throw a number one at a QB at some point and soon...

Crosby started 2 games I think last year, and is projected as a starter this year. Article featuring Hernandez last year pre-draft also talked up Crosby as a 2nd-3rd round pick (projected WH in the 1st) linked below. .He was available still when DG tabbed LOL-letta.

Obviously some of his FA signings shit the bed, too. Gotta see how this draft and the Remmers signing work out, no guarantees on anyone just yet, right?



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000928076/article/three-manmoving-prospects-to-watch-in-2018-nfl-draft
Tyrell Crosby OT Oregon Combine Profile - ( New Window )

I forget which one, say on a radio interview recently that he believes Mara is calling a lot of the shots and Gettlemen has to smooth it over with the press.
I don't really believe that, but its a pretty bold statement to make on a radio show if there is nothing to it.

Building from inside out - both lines have significantly improved.

Last year's draft was very good.

Drafted a HOF player in Barkley. And has added some good skill position players.

RE: Eli - had a good second half of last season when the pieces around him got better. And, insists Eli still has game, which is true until proven otherwise.

Jones pick - time will tell. Shurmur was on board with it which is something many people step right over.

He's made some mistakes Omameh, Stewart - but the question was whether he was doing a good job, not if he was perfect.

XMan and the linebackers will be a good indicator re: his ability to spot talent at all positions.

There was a lot to fix, but a couple of things I think he checked off on the to do list.

1. Run the ball
He has completely changed the O Line. Solder, Hernandez, Hilapio, Zeitler, Remmers. He has Saquon Barkley. This group is the key to next season. O Line will remain a priority in the future.

2. Stop the Run

Hill, Tomlinson, Lawrence, McIntosh are a young but talented group. ILB Ogletree, Goodson and Connelly, are good tacklers and compliment each other. Peppers, Love, Baker and Beal can all Tackle well.

3. Rush the Passer

Golden, Carter, Ximines, Martin are a decent group and I admit I really wanted Josh Allen this last draft and didn�t think he would be there with the 6th pick. However, pass rush is a combo of scheme and coverage since QB are getting rid of the ball much quicker in today�s game. With Bettchers aggressive scheme and the young talented DB�s, this will be a group effort.

4. Adding a young QB of the future

Jones is the guy. I�m happy they have committed to a QB and Jones seems to check many boxes for the eventual difficult transition from Eli. Time will tell but the Giants will need to develop Jones and surround him with talent for him to have success.

5. Culture

The key word with Gettlemen has been culture and calling people Adults. There seems to be a common theme with each and every roster addition.

14 players remain from the 2017 roster. The locker room had been flushed. This is a very different team and I am excited to see this team compete.

This maybe Eli�s last season and with a power running game and balance from the skill positions, we can see from the end of last year what this team can do on offense. Shepard, Tate, Engram and Barkley is a solid group of targets. I think Eli has a solid season and we may even have a winning record come December.

but he certainly has some convictions and is not afraid to act on them to try to improve the team. With that said, he�s owned up to some mistakes, most notably cutting Omameh, after signing him the same year. I believe the OBJ move was an organizational decision, from owners down to Head Coach. OBJ was a generational talent with a 5 cent brain. His antics on and off the field were more then all we�re willing to accept and his trade became part of the new cultural rebuild in the locker room. I think his drafts here have been pretty darn good. Time will tell, but based on projections, they could have a decent talent pool of young players. Obviously, there�s still work to be done, but I think he�s addressed a lot of weaknesses on this team already. The Jones pick will be either his undoing or his claim to fame. I, for one, am pretty excited to see what these guys can do in Pre-Season. This is clearly DGs roster right now and we�ll see how it goes over the next few years. He�s turned the roster over pretty significantly and I only see him adding pieces from here on out.

The Giants needed to be rebuilt. Of course he made mistakes or gambles that didn't work out, but that comes with the job, hoping that you are making more right than wrong decisions. The last two drafts have been outstanding. Personally I would have not drafted Jones but instead traded down and grabbed a first rd pick in the next draft where next season's QB draft is going to be max filled with a lot of good QBs. I think Shurmur influenced the Daniel Jones pick and Gentlemen had to trust his HC on this. The picks on D this last draft especially Lawrence and the CBs, plus Beal, will significantly improve our D. Golden Tate is a proven competitor. OG Zeitler is a major addition. Our team is moving in the right direction and I'm glad Gentlemen is in charge. Mara certainly influences Giant decisions AND in no way is he a Daniel Snyder or a Jerry Jones.

Last year's draft was strong. And I like that he is willing to cut bait quickly when he misfires (like with Omameh)

One would be foolish to try to judge this year's draft before anyone has taken the field.

On the other hand, his moves with veterans have been poor. I'll grant that he got good value for Stewart, Omameh were dumb signings, and Ogletree seems overpriced. And I am convinced that had we started Jones (who at least knows how to call a protection) instead of trading him for a 7th we would have won at least a couple more games early.

And the Beckham situation is beyond ridiculous. I don't think you should trade a HOF talent in his prime for a couple draft picks, plus a player who has, so far, been at best an average safety. But if you are thinking you might do that, you sure as anything don't sign him to a contact with so much up front money the year before. Nor can I buy the "they want to build around Barkley" argument. If your offensive coaches can't build an offense around two HOF talents at the same time, you need new coaches.

He's an improvement because potted plants would have been an improvement over Reese-Ross.

They won 5 games last year with Barkley. Since then they have offed their best wideout and their three best defenders. This team is a Barkley injury away from being one of the worst teams in the league. There are lots of new guys. Some of the new guys will be good and some will flop, that is the nature of things, and not listening to all the giants.com/house organ happy talk. Let's see it. Until then, this team is mid-70's modern.

But he does let Jawn play at GM which is why he is here in the first place.

In comment 14455898 Mike in Boston said:

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Last year's draft was strong. And I like that he is willing to cut bait quickly when he misfires (like with Omameh) One would be foolish to try to judge this year's draft before anyone has taken the field. On the other hand, his moves with veterans have been poor. I'll grant that he got good value for Stewart, Omameh were dumb signings, and Ogletree seems overpriced. And I am convinced that had we started Jones (who at least knows how to call a protection) instead of trading him for a 7th we would have won at least a couple more games early. And the Beckham situation is beyond ridiculous. I don't think you should trade a HOF talent in his prime for a couple draft picks, plus a player who has, so far, been at best an average safety. But if you are thinking you might do that, you sure as anything don't sign him to a contact with so much up front money the year before. Nor can I buy the "they want to build around Barkley" argument. If your offensive coaches can't build an offense around two HOF talents at the same time, you need new coaches.

Ooops, that was to say "He got good value for Vernon."

His legacy will depend on how peppers and Jones perform

would give a rats a$$ whether whiny and self-entitled beat reporters like Jordan Ranaan or Kim Jones feel slighted by DG... Let alone the know-nothing sensationalist buffoons in the national media

1) What good team drops its only QB before they have another one for sure?

2) Name what specific players the cap savings would generate in 2019 that was so essential the same was not available in 2020?

3) Name what good team puts itself over a barrel with good FA by asking them to join a team without a QB?

poorly applied Monday morning complaints frequently repeated are not decisions which have to be made in a time frame...they are just endless foolish and feeble complaints (and definitely not insights about how football decisions have to be made).

How anyone can tell about DG until the end of 2020 is beyond me. Most of all, we do not know about his HC or new QB. He could get all the rest perfect (which he has not) and miss on those and the sum would be more flopping around for years. Or conversely, get those two right and the rest is about time.

Lastly, as in boxing, everyone has a good plan until they get hit. One key injury this year and next years FA signing period could put us right back into long term cap hell competing in a narrow talent pool for a few positions and the draft could turn into a risky "need" draft"