Some of you think he's crazy. He's wasted team resources and made a lot of mistakes. His history shows he's not great.
Others believe. He cuts bait quickly and he's got an eye for talent. His last two drafts have been amazing - he's knows what a pro looks like and he's got an eye for linemen. His history says he's got what it takes.
Some are waiting to see what develops.
No doubt that he's hated by the press.
Where do you sit? Make a statement:
I don't see it anywhere. I definitely don't doubt you heard it. But I think it was probable someone gave him a line of shit/ over-exaggerated the issue. The GMEn under this regime don't tell the truth on anything and I can't find anything to collaborate that he had a red flag.
This could be the same thing as "I know for a fact two teams would've taken Jones . . ."
Colts didn't seem to have an issue with him and they had huge concerns with their OL injury issues.
If it is another invented "Giants way" of being "conservative" then that's on the GM.
I just don't think David Diehl really knew. Or he was fed a line. Per below you can see he was stunned with Daniel Jones. WHy should we believe he had any inside information on the giants last year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMCFdzA6IXc
Did you open the link?
He had no idea. I'll ask AGAIN.
HE had NO IDeA that they were taking Jones this year. WHy should ANYONE believe he had inside knowledge last year IF IT IS OBVIOUS He DIDN"T HAVE IT THIS YEAR? How much did his inside knowledge get him to know who they were choosing at 6? LISTEN TO IT. He had NO IDEA. He IS SHOCKED. HE IS SHOCKED.
You can't provide NAY confirmation from any other source. ANd Diehl is getting his information from an organization that BLATANTLY LIES.
SO he was an "INSIDER" lats year but he is nothing more than a "MEdIA GUY" this year? C'mon.
Again it does. You're treating Dielhl like he's Mara's right-hand guy. There is NO collaboration of what Diehl heard. He heard from an organization that lies at any moment. You can't find one other source that questions SMith's health.
Yes we will. But as of right now a team like the Colts who had major concerns of their OL's health they take him, you have no confirmation that SMith has injury issues, the organization lies on a dime, yet your only reply is "well he visits their facility."
You think that makes him immune to be being lied to or exaggerated to? The link I provided you tells you - he is NOT an Insider.
And as an off-topic with our disagreement David Diehl is the the type of guy many on this site/many on this thread probably classify as "one of them" ie "the media."
SO last year we love him but this year we hate him because he hated the Jones pick at 6. They'd say "WHat does he know?" I find that a bit comical. Lats year he is "entrusted" getting inside info this year he is "full of shit dumb media guy."
I don't think the Odell trade was bad, those were factors (coaching, ownership) above him, but his arrogance pisses me off.
He's never won shit yet acts like he has the resume of Bill Billchick.
Last year it was 'I need a gold jacket guy' with the number two pick, and he passes on several QB prospects who were superior.
This season, he goes hog wild over Daniel Jones (aka Alex Smith) at number 6, ignoring the 'gold jacket' mandate he invented.
He completely disregarded the pass rush, and if you question him, again, you get the attitude.
He's the kind of guy who would go 10-6, win a division, and strut around wearing that T-Shirt like he was a Super Bowl winner.
Can't stand him, and unless Daniel Jones is better than Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Hankins, and Lock, he's fucked us with a mediocre Alex Smith.
Hope I'm wrong.
I've never disliked a GM of my teams so much as him.
At least Sather won 5 cups.
What has this schmuck ever won?
Gettleman might emphasize the running game slightly more than some of his peers, but the variance is pretty small. He re-signed Beckham to a huge deal, then moved the resources to Shepard and Tate when the organization decided to move on from OBJ. He also inherited a good receiving TE. The additions of Barkley, Solder, Hernandez and Zeitler bolster the offense as a whole, not just the running game. And the heir to Eli has arrived, just a year later than some folks predicted/preferred.
On the other side of the ball, a rebuild was clearly needed. I might have stuck with Apple a bit longer, in the hope that a better locker room environment would help him grow up. Can’t really argue with the move, though; the kid is a mess, and his game may never translate. The line and backfield look better, at least on paper. The linebackers still look terrible. Maybe Bettcher has a plan for getting more from them in redefined roles. A lot seems to be riding on Golden and Carter.
If nothing else, the Giants are interesting again, after five years as possibly the League’s dullest team - even with Beckham. Whether they will as interesting on the field remains to be seen, as does almost everything else about Gettleman’s tenure. Does he have a plan? Sure. So does every GM in the NFL, as Mike Tyson might say... until they get punched in the face.
The Giants did not have a major roster turnover in 2007 -
he traded 1 player -- Ryan Grant to Green Bay
he claimed a few players off of waivers
he signed Shawn O'Hara
what dead wood did he trim?
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The Giants did not have a major roster turnover in 2007 -
he traded 1 player -- Ryan Grant to Green Bay
he claimed a few players off of waivers
he signed Shawn O'Hara
what dead wood did he trim?
Luke Pettigout.
SOldier making 4 yr $62m
Omameh signed 3 yrs $15m
Stewart sighned --e stiamte gaurantted $3m 2 years so say $1.5M
Hubbard gets 5 years $37.5m
Fulton gets 4 years $28m.
You can see the money fits. DG had the opportunity to offer more. Instead on a team devoid of talent he stupidly went after one above average player instead of two albeit lesser at tackle in 2018 BUT YOU ARE REBUILDING IN 2018. The better Soldier is doesn;t outweigh what he'll sink to when GMEN "ARE READY TO COMPETE." You shouldn't be "comparing" Hubbard vs Soldier but you should be comparing Hubbard AND Fulton vs Soldier AND Omameh.
As for Hubbard - you are making a misleading statement. I'm sure it's not intentional. Just like with Soldier he IMPROVEd as the season went on SO DID HUBBARD. So much so that the Browns didn't feel a need to replace him this year.
SO we can "excuse" $15m aging LT for his crummy 1st half but if Hubbard has a bad 1st half he's a bust? Well we know that that isn't true, right? Per the link below we know that your statement about Browns looking release was thrown out the window based on his performance around the 2nd half, correct? SO oyur post is a bit misleading, correct?
***We have to realize the Browns are looking to win (no more rebuild), right? SO if your point is still valid that Hubbard was so awful all of last year, why have they kept him? ANd with the attached link stating Hubbard is improving, you want to just ignore it? The Browns didn't trade or draft a RT to replace Hubbard and you just want to ignore it?
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Joe-Thomas-Chris-Hubbard-improving-Browns-right-tackle-126371293/
You asked how would play LG? Fulton could be the LG. He has played LG with KC.
And Crosby would be the backup instead of Wheeler. Crosby was mentioned because of potential. Wheeler is a backup and will be nothing more than that. DO you agree?
I'm not the one posting a misleading comment about Hubbard. You posted a comment from a former teammate Joe Thomas DURING the season in December. I posted an article with sources from the team during the offseason. Which is more accurate?
True, it's ironic because when he was hired most of the people here were worried about his draft history but confident in his ability to sign UFA's. Now it's the complete opposite.
this is why the cutting bait quickly is a good trait
Mike Remmers was a cheap stopgap as well.
Olsen Pierre was signed for the league minimum and he had 5.5 sacks in a rotational role under Bettcher two seasons ago. Perhaps returning to a 3-4 defense will improve his productivity again.
Rod Smith is another league min signing that will compete for the 3rd RB spot.
Golden Tate was the only expensive FA he signed and time will tell if this was a good pickup.
Antoine Bethea is another stopgap/locker room leader that the team needed. His signing won't prevent Sean Chandler or any of the other young kids from beating him out.
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Ogletree is a really good athlete and catches the ball well, but I'd be careful to connect interceptions and pass coverage, especially at linebacker where many of the opportunities to snag the ball aren't a product of coverage, but position.
He had his share of bad looks in coverage, gave up his share of TDs, and Collins strongly intimated missed assignments at the LB position caused a lot of the bad plays last year.
But when a poster calls moves like that complete blunders as if they retard the growth of the team instead of try to bring some order back, it is just a ridiculous comment.
It's hard enough to get past typos and random capitilizations, but continually harping on Omameah and Stewart as evidence that Gettleman is doing poorly and then calling Solder (or "Soldier") and Ogletree complete blunders is just trying to magnify an issue that isn't there.
From the attention Omameah and Stewart get, you'd have thought they carry millions of dead weight into this season.
We will see this year if Gettleman has turned teh roster around, but calling moves of players who have been solid "complete blunders" is just a steaming pile of horseshit.
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SOldier making 4 yr $62m
Omameh signed 3 yrs $15m
Stewart sighned --e stiamte gaurantted $3m 2 years so say $1.5M
Hubbard gets 5 years $37.5m
Fulton gets 4 years $28m.
You can see the money fits. DG had the opportunity to offer more. Instead on a team devoid of talent he stupidly went after one above average player instead of two albeit lesser at tackle in 2018 BUT YOU ARE REBUILDING IN 2018. The better Soldier is doesn;t outweigh what he'll sink to when GMEN "ARE READY TO COMPETE." You shouldn't be "comparing" Hubbard vs Soldier but you should be comparing Hubbard AND Fulton vs Soldier AND Omameh.
As for Hubbard - you are making a misleading statement. I'm sure it's not intentional. Just like with Soldier he IMPROVEd as the season went on SO DID HUBBARD. So much so that the Browns didn't feel a need to replace him this year.
SO we can "excuse" $15m aging LT for his crummy 1st half but if Hubbard has a bad 1st half he's a bust? Well we know that that isn't true, right? Per the link below we know that your statement about Browns looking release was thrown out the window based on his performance around the 2nd half, correct? SO oyur post is a bit misleading, correct?
***We have to realize the Browns are looking to win (no more rebuild), right? SO if your point is still valid that Hubbard was so awful all of last year, why have they kept him? ANd with the attached link stating Hubbard is improving, you want to just ignore it? The Browns didn't trade or draft a RT to replace Hubbard and you just want to ignore it?
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Joe-Thomas-Chris-Hubbard-improving-Browns-right-tackle-126371293/
You asked how would play LG? Fulton could be the LG. He has played LG with KC.
And Crosby would be the backup instead of Wheeler. Crosby was mentioned because of potential. Wheeler is a backup and will be nothing more than that. DO you agree?
I'm not the one posting a misleading comment about Hubbard. You posted a comment from a former teammate Joe Thomas DURING the season in December. I posted an article with sources from the team during the offseason. Which is more accurate?
Really? SO where's the link that says they want to release him? WHy is he still expected to start? You said he had an awful season. Yet Cleveland NOT getting a replacement for him while they are no longer in rebuild mode -you think justifies your opinion that he sucked all year?
Your other points were wrong in terms of you implied GMEN couldn't have afforded him? That was wrong too, right?
ANd you made a point about no LG yet we know Fulton has played LG before, right?
You've taken everything I posted wrong to a certain degree and now you say they "debated" releasing him? I suppose they could have had a conversation but they KEPT HIM -- so it doesn't support your comment that he sucked all year does it? OTHErWISE WHY DID THEY KEEP HIM WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN?
Gettleman might emphasize the running game slightly more than some of his peers, but the variance is pretty small. He re-signed Beckham to a huge deal, then moved the resources to Shepard and Tate when the organization decided to move on from OBJ. He also inherited a good receiving TE. The additions of Barkley, Solder, Hernandez and Zeitler bolster the offense as a whole, not just the running game. And the heir to Eli has arrived, just a year later than some folks predicted/preferred.
On the other side of the ball, a rebuild was clearly needed. I might have stuck with Apple a bit longer, in the hope that a better locker room environment would help him grow up. Can’t really argue with the move, though; the kid is a mess, and his game may never translate. The line and backfield look better, at least on paper. The linebackers still look terrible. Maybe Bettcher has a plan for getting more from them in redefined roles. A lot seems to be riding on Golden and Carter.
If nothing else, the Giants are interesting again, after five years as possibly the League’s dullest team - even with Beckham. Whether they will as interesting on the field remains to be seen, as does almost everything else about Gettleman’s tenurny giants e. Does he have a plan? Sure. So does every GM in the NFL, as Mike Tyson might say... until they get punched in the face.
Gettleman didnt clean out the dead wood. He didn't even tear the team down to its foundation. What gettleman did was remove the founation and that definitely is NOT what most new gm's do. It's a plan based on the premise that he can find beter players than the good one he let go. That's a very egotistical and risky plan. It's what Chip Kelly thought he could do in philly and it failed. Its what Gettleman thought he could do in Carolina and that failed. I doubt it will work here but i would love to be wrong.
A lot of the antipathy for DG began with the Barkley pick, with a ton of fans expressing certainty that one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen are the second coming. We'll see about that.
I thought after Darnold's first year at USC that he was amazing, and after the second year that he made horrible choices time and time again. Then he did the same for the Jets last year. But he still could become a superstar.
At the same time it shows how hard it is to commit to a QB if you don't have confidence in the guy. But so many guys were certain. How anyone can be that certain I don't know. Same for Jones. It's "we'll see" and hope for the best.
I would target the following players
1 of the following, RT** - Daryl Williams or Jack Conklin
ER - Yannick Ngakoue or Jadaveon Clowney
1 of the following ILB - Myles Jack, Deion Jones, Jaylon Smith, Deon Buchanon
DE - Arik Armstead
I would also like to see the Giants roll the dice on 1 year prove it deal types like DT Vernon Butler, DE Robert Nkemdiche, OT Jason Spriggs.
I put an ** next to RT because if Wheeler or Asafo-Adjei show enough this season to convince the Giants that they could be the long term answer at RT then they should focus on a cheap veteran backup type or a player like Jason Spriggs.
Now most of the targets will likely re-sign with their current teams but whoever is left should be a target of Gettleman's. Due to the lack of options in free agency I would prefer to see the Giants address the WR position early in the draft. An OT, FS, and another ER would be ideal as well.
Why did the Browns not replace him? It's simple because they don't have the cap room which to take the hit and go out and find a replacement when their current starter at LT is Greg Robinson.
They traded Zeitler for Vernon to fill one need and they were able to do so because they had 2018 33rd overall pick Austin Corbett to fill his spot. Had they released Hubbard they would have had Kendall Lamm as the starter at RT. The Browns OL depth is very poor right now. They had no choice but to give Hubbard another year just as the Giants did last year with Flowers at RT.
Why did the Browns not replace him? It's simple because they don't have the cap room which to take the hit and go out and find a replacement when their current starter at LT is Greg Robinson.
They traded Zeitler for Vernon to fill one need and they were able to do so because they had 2018 33rd overall pick Austin Corbett to fill his spot. Had they released Hubbard they would have had Kendall Lamm as the starter at RT. The Browns OL depth is very poor right now. They had no choice but to give Hubbard another year just as the Giants did last year with Flowers at RT.
In the 1st 9 games he was terrible so was Soldier. Yet GMEn are payign A LOT more for him.
You specifically cited NINE games yet on your 1st post you said he sucked all year. WHich is it?
Third-- if he sucked all year - you really think they wouldn't have found a way to get another RT if as you say he sucked all year?
IMO he did NOT suck all year. As the article stated "HE IMPROVED." SO much so they have confidence in him. They would've traded future picks to draft a guy if they think Hubbard really sucked. They are trying to win now and have been LOSERS for so long -- this is a HUGE DEAL for them this year-- they want to win.
They are going into the season with hopes of winning the division. They aren't going into the season of the 2nd most important position on the OLINE as someone who knowingly sucks. That Dec article I posted is probably accurate.
In the 1st 9 games he was terrible so was Soldier. Yet GMEn are payign A LOT more for him.
You specifically cited NINE games yet on your 1st post you said he sucked all year. WHich is it?
Third-- if he sucked all year - you really think they wouldn't have found a way to get another RT if as you say he sucked all year?
IMO he did NOT suck all year. As the article stated "HE IMPROVED." SO much so they have confidence in him. They would've traded future picks to draft a guy if they think Hubbard really sucked. They are trying to win now and have been LOSERS for so long -- this is a HUGE DEAL for them this year-- they want to win.
They are going into the season with hopes of winning the division. They aren't going into the season of the 2nd most important position on the OLINE as someone who knowingly sucks. That Dec article I posted is probably accurate.
Your opinion might carry some weight if you actually spelled the guys name right. It's Nate SOLDER not Soldier. Solder also has a very solid track record at left tackle.
Chris Hubbard had a grand of 14 career starts when he signed with the Browns. Hubbard started a career high 10 games the year before because Gilbert went on IR for Pitt. Hubbard has never started at LT. Hubbard sucked all year and he also benefitted from having mobile QB's behind him which hides some of his inadequacies.
Once again the Browns invested a lot of money in Hubbard so they had no choice but to give him another year. This is a team that has journeyman Greg Robinson as it's starting LT.
Since when did the browns become the gold standard for good personnel decisions?
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The Giants did not have a major roster turnover in 2007... what dead wood did he trim?
Sure no player in the NFL ever plays injured. ANd we can expect older OL to not be injured very much going forward. Okay.
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during the first half of the season not to mention that Solder has always been a starter while Hubbard was a backup.
Sure no player in the NFL ever plays injured. ANd we can expect older OL to not be injured very much going forward. Okay.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Obviously my point was that Solder struggled when he was playing hurt but then played better after he recovered. Where did I say that he won't get hurt in the future?
I assumed it was common sense that players play better when they are healthy but apparently I was wrong.
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In the 1st 9 games he was terrible so was Soldier. Yet GMEn are payign A LOT more for him.
You specifically cited NINE games yet on your 1st post you said he sucked all year. WHich is it?
Third-- if he sucked all year - you really think they wouldn't have found a way to get another RT if as you say he sucked all year?
IMO he did NOT suck all year. As the article stated "HE IMPROVED." SO much so they have confidence in him. They would've traded future picks to draft a guy if they think Hubbard really sucked. They are trying to win now and have been LOSERS for so long -- this is a HUGE DEAL for them this year-- they want to win.
They are going into the season with hopes of winning the division. They aren't going into the season of the 2nd most important position on the OLINE as someone who knowingly sucks. That Dec article I posted is probably accurate.
Your opinion might carry some weight if you actually spelled the guys name right. It's Nate SOLDER not Soldier. Solder also has a very solid track record at left tackle.
Chris Hubbard had a grand of 14 career starts when he signed with the Browns. Hubbard started a career high 10 games the year before because Gilbert went on IR for Pitt. Hubbard has never started at LT. Hubbard sucked all year and he also benefitted from having mobile QB's behind him which hides some of his inadequacies.
Once again the Browns invested a lot of money in Hubbard so they had no choice but to give him another year. This is a team that has journeyman Greg Robinson as it's starting LT.
Since when did the browns become the gold standard for good personnel decisions?
Sure. Spelling matters. Okay. Thanks.
There are definitely be players to look at; if you cut Ogletree, Solder, Ellison, and Jenkins you get close to 100M.
Gettleman has done a great job largely getting the roster young and cost controlled. I suspect he will definitely do more of that next year.
I frankly don't see any of those guys as part of a core.
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during the first half of the season not to mention that Solder has always been a starter while Hubbard was a backup.
Sure no player in the NFL ever plays injured. ANd we can expect older OL to not be injured very much going forward. Okay.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Obviously my point was that Solder struggled when he was playing hurt but then played better after he recovered. Where did I say that he won't get hurt in the future?
I assumed it was common sense that players play better when they are healthy but apparently I was wrong.
Sure - You seem to be filled with excuses. Let's not stop at Soldier and let's not count age into the injury equation either, okay?
I guess everyone can use the injury excuse now okay? Why don't you explain to Bill Belchick that his latest SB win didn;t matter much anyways because Gurley was hurt.
Injuries don't count for older players too - okay.
BTW - are you going to complain again about how I spelled "didn't as "didn;t." Please do. That will really help clarify how good Hubbard is.
And while you asked "since when Cleveland be the Golden Standard" -- well since when did you become it? You vs John Dorsey. Hmm I wonder who here has the delusion of grandeur?
So Dorsey's 1ast year Dorsey had his team play .500 football while the guy you like DG has his team at 5-11 in which GMEn beta 4 backup QB's. Yet you are knocking the Browns evaluations? Sure okay-- some of you - your homerism knows no bounds.
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during the first half of the season not to mention that Solder has always been a starter while Hubbard was a backup.
Sure no player in the NFL ever plays injured. ANd we can expect older OL to not be injured very much going forward. Okay.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Obviously my point was that Solder struggled when he was playing hurt but then played better after he recovered. Where did I say that he won't get hurt in the future?
I assumed it was common sense that players play better when they are healthy but apparently I was wrong.
Sure - You seem to be filled with excuses. Let's not stop at Soldier and let's not count age into the injury equation either, okay?
I guess everyone can use the injury excuse now okay? Why don't you explain to Bill Belchick that his latest SB win didn;t matter much anyways because Gurley was hurt.
Injuries don't count for older players too - okay.
BTW - are you going to complain again about how I spelled "didn't as "didn;t." Please do. That will really help clarify how good Hubbard is.
And while you asked "since when Cleveland be the Golden Standard" -- well since when did you become it? You vs John Dorsey. Hmm I wonder who here has the delusion of grandeur?
So Dorsey's 1ast year Dorsey had his team play .500 football while the guy you like DG has his team at 5-11 in which GMEn beta 4 backup QB's. Yet you are knocking the Browns evaluations? Sure okay-- some of you - your homerism knows no bounds.
near .500 football
There are definitely be players to look at; if you cut Ogletree, Solder, Ellison, and Jenkins you get close to 100M.
Gettleman has done a great job largely getting the roster young and cost controlled. I suspect he will definitely do more of that next year.
I frankly don't see any of those guys as part of a core.
It depends on how Ogletree plays this season as well as Goodson and Connelly. If Goodson and Connelly look like viable starter at ILB then Ogletree will be gone in a year unless he plays well enough to justify his contract.
IMO this is definitely Ellison's last season with the Giants. I think C.J. Conrad will be the 3rd TE this season but he will impress enough to convince the Giants that he should be the #2 TE in 2020.
I am a bit torn on Janoris Jenkins. If he plays like he did in 2016 then he could be back in 2020 since the Giants have plenty of cap room. It will come down to a combination of his performance and the development of Beal, Baker, Love, Haley, and Ballentine. I'd give Jenkins a 50/50 shot of returning in 2020.
Solder will be back in 2020 unless he completely falls off a clip next season. There is a good chance the Giants draft his replacement next year though. 2020 could be his last season in NY.
Sure - You seem to be filled with excuses. Let's not stop at Soldier and let's not count age into the injury equation either, okay?
I guess everyone can use the injury excuse now okay? Why don't you explain to Bill Belchick that his latest SB win didn;t matter much anyways because Gurley was hurt.
Injuries don't count for older players too - okay.
BTW - are you going to complain again about how I spelled "didn't as "didn;t." Please do. That will really help clarify how good Hubbard is.
And while you asked "since when Cleveland be the Golden Standard" -- well since when did you become it? You vs John Dorsey. Hmm I wonder who here has the delusion of grandeur?
So Dorsey's 1ast year Dorsey had his team play .500 football while the guy you like DG has his team at 5-11 in which GMEn beta 4 backup QB's. Yet you are knocking the Browns evaluations? Sure okay-- some of you - your homerism knows no bounds.
You are a delight. You have gone fully off the reservation. You claim to know so much about Solder, Hubbard and Fulton yet you don't even know how to properly spell our LT's name.
It was confirmed that Solder was playing hurt at the start of last season. How do you tie that into the Patriots, Gurley, or whatever your point was is beyond me. Did I say the Giants are the only team that suffers injuries? No, I didn't.
Where did I claim that I know better? Once again your lack of reading comprehension has you making up all these false talking points. Even the best GM's make poor FA decisions. Look at Belichick bringing in Hayneswroth a few years ago. I guess Dorsey is exempt from that fact.
For the record I wanted Dorsey as GM here. I wasn't thrilled with Gettleman but I decided to wait and see how he performed before I judged him. As I wrote in another thread his tenure year will be remembered by the development of Daniel Jones.
I suggest you research how players actually performed before you criticize our GM for not signing them. Fulton by the way struggled for the Texans last season as well. PFF gave him a below average rating for the season. Perhaps there was a reason Fulton was a 6th round pick and Hubbard was an UDFA?
When did 7-8-1 equal a .500 record. Keep going your on a roll!
Solder will cost more cap space than any LT this season. My feelings on value are well known on him -- it's a bad contract no matter what corner the Giants felt they were in.
I thought that they would sign for 2-3 million annually max. When I saw them get much more than that I was glad the Giants passed. After seeing how they performed last year I am happy to admit I was wrong.
Solder will cost more cap space than any LT this season. My feelings on value are well known on him -- it's a bad contract no matter what corner the Giants felt they were in.
This is likely Jenkins' last season here. It's hard to justify bringing him back at that salary when they have Baker, Beal, Love, Haley,and Ballentine fighting for playing time.
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during the first half of the season not to mention that Solder has always been a starter while Hubbard was a backup.
Sure no player in the NFL ever plays injured. ANd we can expect older OL to not be injured very much going forward. Okay.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Obviously my point was that Solder struggled when he was playing hurt but then played better after he recovered. Where did I say that he won't get hurt in the future?
I assumed it was common sense that players play better when they are healthy but apparently I was wrong.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Some people just can't face the fact that their team might have made some bad moves. Let's all be nothing but cheerleaders, okay?
Let's IGNORE that Soldier is an older LT and as a result OLDER PLAYERS are more susceptible to getting hurt. But that doesn't matter to the cheerleading homer.
And the fact that you hear often that OLINES need time to adjust - so let's not take that into account for Hubbard - so instead a poster decides to mislead by suggesting he sucked all year. ANd when challenged about that one of his replies implies he knows more than Dorsey. SO says the great BBI "scout." Yet he still hasn't produced the nonsense that he suggested in his post that Hubbard sucked all year.
So as the poster keeps throwing darts hoping some stick - when that doesn't work -- criticize syntax and spelling. Yeah.
SO when we speak of common sense-- ofc the homerism trumps thatin a big way. How dare anyone question DG for getting an older player -- and yet when he gets hurt-- it's not DGs fault!!! God I love the homerism on here from some of you. AN older player gets hurt and it's not the GM's fault he got him. Especially though a massive overpay.
I thought that they would sign for 2-3 million annually max. When I saw them get much more than that I was glad the Giants passed. After seeing how they performed last year I am happy to admit I was wrong.
I regretfully say that I know that you're wrong now. Unfortunately our team will suffer a bit for it. The 2020 season is the real deal for me. They can rebound due to cap space.
What do you say we quit for today going at each other? You can blast away at me your last post. You can rip me as last word. I think you're way wrong you think I am. Though if we post to others we still might come back at each other.
I love when people completely twist a point to fit their agenda. Some people just can't face the fact that their team might have made some bad moves. Let's all be nothing but cheerleaders, okay?
Let's IGNORE that Soldier is an older LT and as a result OLDER PLAYERS are more susceptible to getting hurt. But that doesn't matter to the cheerleading homer.
And the fact that you hear often that OLINES need time to adjust - so let's not take that into account for Hubbard - so instead a poster decides to mislead by suggesting he sucked all year. ANd when challenged about that one of his replies implies he knows more than Dorsey. SO says the great BBI "scout." Yet he still hasn't produced the nonsense that he suggested in his post that Hubbard sucked all year.
So as the poster keeps throwing darts hoping some stick - when that doesn't work -- criticize syntax and spelling. Yeah.
SO when we speak of common sense-- ofc the homerism trumps thatin a big way. How dare anyone question DG for getting an older player -- and yet when he gets hurt-- it's not DGs fault!!! God I love the homerism on here from some of you. AN older player gets hurt and it's not the GM's fault he got him. Especially though a massive overpay.
It takes time for offensive lines to gel that doesn't explain why Hubbard was beaten so often. The Browns offensive line had one of the league's best interiors in all of football but they struggled at both tackle spots. So by the point your making shouldn't that also apply to Solder?
You admit that Hubbard sucked for 9 games but then try to suggest that we should ignore that fact despite the fact that he doesn't have a track record of success?
Why aren't you understanding this. You claim you have watched these guys so closely yet you don't even know how to spell a guys name. That clearly proves that you haven't seen this guy enough to learn how to spell his name.
By the way I have blasted Gettleman plenty in the past so this false accusation that you fabricated out of thin air that I am a homer is completely false. I criticized Gettleman for the Stewart and Omamheh signings last season. I also agreed that he overpayed for Solder but I understood the reasoning as we couldn't go into another season with Flowers as our starting LT especially when we needed to rid the locker room of his attitude. I guess that makes me a homer though in your eyes.
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