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NGT: Ereck Flowers having a terrible mini camp

Jon C. in MD : 6/4/2019 5:55 pm
--It's possible nobody is having a worse minicamp than Ereck Flowers. After getting manhandled by Sweat last week, Flowers, playing at the left tackle position, was picked up and moved around like a piece of unwanted furniture throughout Tuesday's drills. Ryan Anderson will look like a Pro Bowler in the film room when the tape is reviewed. The Redskins, hopefully, are coming up with starting five combinations that don't involve counting on Flowers.

--If I were Trent Williams, and I saw what was happening on the practice field, I'd hold out too. He's an essential piece of this year's team.
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arcarsenal : 6/4/2019 6:54 pm : link
It worked for Bobby Hart, personally - but the Bengals looked fucking clueless not only signing him in the first place, but then giving him a new contract on top of it.

He's horrible.
RE: I marvel about how unenthusiastic Ross was. Like it wasn’t his pick!  
Jim Bur(n)t : 6/4/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14463065 Ivan15 said:
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The Giants definitely needed to pick an o-lineman at that point in time. Beatty was okay at LT but Pugh was out of position at RT. How different would it have been if the Giants had picked the next tackle on their board?

Who was available?


Although our Flowery friend was the 9th overall pick... That entire 1st Rd (2015) was one big colostomy bag.
I will still never understand the Flowers pick.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2019 7:01 pm : link
Guy had awful technique in college and he played for one of the best oline minds in football. If he didn't completely overwhelm people with his size he looked terrible. Nice highlights though. Guys like that should be 2nd round picks the highest. He is exactly who I think of when I see posters get pissed we didn't fill a position of need in the draft.
RE: Best thing about this thread  
Jon C. in MD : 6/4/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14463083 Emil said:
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NGT


This made me laugh out loud.
And this is surprising?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/4/2019 7:10 pm : link
The dude sucks.
Greet OL coach  
Jon C. in MD : 6/4/2019 7:14 pm : link
When Flowers signed, I heard more than one host/guest/“insider” on DC sports radio say that he just needs good coaching and that the Redskins have one of the best OL coaches in football. I guess he just needed the right coach. Maybe he’s still in the process of breaking down his bad technique to build him back up...

It is amazing how teams think they can coach up a previous bust. They’d be much better off with one more undrafted rookie free agent prospect taking up the roster spot. There’s a better chance once of those guys becomes a backup OL.

After that first year  
Joey from GlenCove : 6/4/2019 7:24 pm : link
I thought he was the guy. He played through an injury and looked competent in a role he wasn’t supposed to play yet.

Who  
jtfuoco : 6/4/2019 7:37 pm : link
Was the guy on BBI who deliver Chinese to him and felt the need to give him a pep talk. It's one of my favorite stories of all time.
RE: After that first year  
FStubbs : 6/4/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14463122 Joey from GlenCove said:
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I thought he was the guy. He played through an injury and looked competent in a role he wasn’t supposed to play yet.


He wasn't exactly good, but yeah, that was the only year that he looked like an actual NFL player and we had some hope for him after that outing. He showed toughness too.

Maybe teams got film on him, he never adjusted his terrible technique, and then lost confidence.

Not our problem anymore - and at this rate he won't be Washington's problem for very long either.
Dont get the hatred....  
Kanavis : 6/4/2019 9:05 pm : link
He was forced into LT his first year and played all year on a high ankle sprain. For all we know the injury may have had long term implications. He actually looked like he had a lot of potential... Particularly before his injury. Either way... Agreed... He isn't good. But there have been so many personal attacks here its over the top. High OL draft picks bust all the time. Sometimes higher picks than him. It's just bad luck. Two years where the giants needed a lineman... One of the top three was implicated in something right before the draft (Collins and Tunsil). Bad picks...bad luck... And some normal failure rates for tackles all put us in a bad position. And don't think TC wasn't involved at all with the pick.
Also.  
FStubbs : 6/4/2019 9:05 pm : link
We beat Washington so many times they probably have an inflated view of our personnel compared to the other 30 teams in the league.

Just like we do the Eagles. Guys like Carlos Emmons and Connor Barwin only looked good when they played against the Giants.
RE: After that first year  
TJ : 6/4/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14463122 Joey from GlenCove said:
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I thought he was the guy. He played through an injury and looked competent in a role he wasn’t supposed to play yet.


Exactly. Toughness in a tough spot. I was convinced after that first season that he would progress in his technique and skills and be worth that pick.
Clearly IT is easier than coaching/managing pro football or I'd be unemployed.
Do I have to be the bad guy?  
KeoweeFan : 6/4/2019 9:17 pm : link
Erik wasn't just one of those players who "for some reason" didn't succeed.
He was way ahead of his college peers on natural attributes. He failed because in the Pros you need to work on technique (which in his case was poor); size is not sufficient.
He had the ability to improve his technique; he just refused to work with his coaches.
Did everyone forget he and Hart sitting away from the rest of the OL so they could talk about how they were under appreciated?
Flowers was the poster child for the attitude DG needed to get rid of.
Sounds like he's  
Bill in UT : 6/4/2019 9:17 pm : link
in mid-season form
Hope sweat isn’t a stud  
Ned In Atlanta : 6/4/2019 9:20 pm : link
That would hurt
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Diver_Down : 6/4/2019 9:37 pm : link
Yep...  
Ryan : 6/4/2019 9:39 pm : link
Some guys just don't want to be coached.
RE: Hope sweat isn’t a stud  
ChaChing : 6/4/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14463271 Ned In Atlanta said:
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That would hurt

At least we're in no danger of him learning or improving much from Flowers being across the LOS
RE: Dont get the hatred....  
mfsd : 6/4/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14463257 Kanavis said:
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He was forced into LT his first year and played all year on a high ankle sprain. For all we know the injury may have had long term implications. He actually looked like he had a lot of potential... Particularly before his injury. Either way... Agreed... He isn't good. But there have been so many personal attacks here its over the top. High OL draft picks bust all the time. Sometimes higher picks than him. It's just bad luck. Two years where the giants needed a lineman... One of the top three was implicated in something right before the draft (Collins and Tunsil). Bad picks...bad luck... And some normal failure rates for tackles all put us in a bad position. And don't think TC wasn't involved at all with the pick.


I don’t hate him for sucking...some guys just don’t work out, that’s Reese and Ross’s fault.

I hate Flowers for being a punk who quit on the team with his pal Hart and didn’t play the last game in 2017.
Sweat is like the protype player Flowers struggled against  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2019 10:11 pm : link
I wouldn't look too much into it.
RE: Hope sweat isn’t a stud  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/4/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14463271 Ned In Atlanta said:
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That would hurt


He may or may not be. But making Flowers look like crap isn’t really an indication of that status.
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Del Shofner : 6/5/2019 12:27 am : link
In comment 14463283 Diver_Down said:
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It took me a couple of viewings of that clip to comprehend how impossible it is that a professional offensive lineman could do (or not do) what Flowers does in that clip. Even I could have put a hat on a guy. That is disturbing. Flowers looks like he wants to avoid any physical contact at all costs.
RE: .  
madgiantscow009 : 6/5/2019 12:30 am : link
In comment 14463283 Diver_Down said:
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don't see the problem, he ran a pretty good route there.
With all of the focus on player safety  
Blue Dream : 6/5/2019 12:47 am : link
Flowers is one of the most dangerous players in the league An absolute menace to any quarterback he plays with.
The funny part is if the hback recognizes what block he should have  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/5/2019 1:03 am : link
made if Flowers makes any sort of effort on the LB he jogs by at end that goes for 6.
To the  
Joey in VA : 6/5/2019 6:13 am : link
"I don't understand the hate" people, that's kinda the point. Some hate him. Some don't. It's called a feeling and you don't have to understand it but you can't change it or tell anyone else how to feel about well anything.
at this point  
bc4life : 6/5/2019 7:08 am : link
why not try him on the defensive line? altough rare, some players, have been used on both. he's clearly not, never has been, nor wil he ever be an offensive lineman. he'll be out of the league in a year or two. his main problem is movement, that's because he is bad at reaction to defenders and backwards and lateral movement. they have him moving in the direction of his weaknesses.
For all his shortcomings, the guy has way-y-y-y-y more  
GeofromNJ : 6/5/2019 7:52 am : link
money than I have. So there's that.
I don't know how you have a terrible mini camp when there's no contact  
David B. : 6/5/2019 8:41 am : link
But if anyone can do it, it's this dolt.

Dwayne Haskins thinking...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/5/2019 9:11 am : link
...Hmmm, do I want to start Week 1 with no left tackle?

And this is why Trent Williams is demanding a new contract today...  
bradshaw44 : 6/5/2019 9:34 am : link
Flowers is making his case for him. Smart play by Williams.
RE: Dont get the hatred....  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14463257 Kanavis said:
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He was forced into LT his first year and played all year on a high ankle sprain. For all we know the injury may have had long term implications. He actually looked like he had a lot of potential... Particularly before his injury. Either way... Agreed... He isn't good. But there have been so many personal attacks here its over the top. High OL draft picks bust all the time. Sometimes higher picks than him. It's just bad luck. Two years where the giants needed a lineman... One of the top three was implicated in something right before the draft (Collins and Tunsil). Bad picks...bad luck... And some normal failure rates for tackles all put us in a bad position. And don't think TC wasn't involved at all with the pick.

It's not just because he was a bust. People can get over that but it was his complete lack of effort, refusal to listen to coaching, and his confrontational personality that has turned people against him. He has the talent to be an excellent OT but he just refused to listen to Flaherty and Solari who are two well respected OL coaches. He flat out quit on the team at the end of the 2017 season.

This is probably his last chance to stick in the NFL and he obviously hasn't changed his stripes if he is struggling this badly.
RE: Dwayne Haskins thinking...  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14463432 RickInCharlotte said:
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...Hmmm, do I want to start Week 1 with no left tackle?

That is assuming he makes it to week 1.
He's just playing for the paycheck  
ij_reilly : 6/5/2019 9:57 am : link
The guy is collecting checks.

He's a big dude who plays football to get paid.
Flowers was a Coughlin pick  
TD : 6/5/2019 10:27 am : link
Horrible pick. Coughlin thought he got his Searcy... he got the opposite.

That said, I fear that the other guy in the story, Sweat, is a beast. He was the most explosive player in the draft and had some big games against some solid tackles in college. Really hope we contain him.
I hope Flower saved all of his money  
Paulie Walnuts : 6/5/2019 10:44 am : link
cause he aint getting anymore
Set this franchise back 5 years  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/5/2019 10:56 am : link
Coach and GM killer like Darnold.
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ghost718 : 6/5/2019 11:11 am : link
I can't wait till Giants play them  
NephilimGiants : 6/5/2019 11:19 am : link
Hope Flowers starting LT
And of course  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2019 12:53 pm : link
aceinthehouse is nowhere to be seen. I guess the troll is in hiding between this and the Trent Williams news.
Wow  
jonnyess : 6/5/2019 1:12 pm : link
This guy is just dreadful...

- Will Beatty
Flowers & Bobby Hart  
GothamGiants : 6/5/2019 1:15 pm : link
I hope that's the worst OT tandem I ever see ... because they were nauseating.

I can't even fathom 2 worse OTs paired together on the same OL ... sorry Eli, wasted so many of his good years.
"Unwanted Furniture"  
Percy : 6/5/2019 1:53 pm : link
Loved it.
how come no one is trying him at guard  
justafan : 6/5/2019 2:00 pm : link
is he too tall for the position?
RE: how come no one is trying him at guard  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14463901 justafan said:
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is he too tall for the position?

Technique and proper hand usage is probably more important inside at guard which are both huge weaknesses for Flowers.
Also  
Jay on the Island : 6/5/2019 3:03 pm : link
when Flowers was first signed by Washington they reportedly had planned on using him at guard. It appears as though they might have abandoned that plan already.
Triple the bad vs, the Skins  
RobCarpenter : 6/5/2019 4:00 pm : link
Hart, Jerry, and Flowers:



My favorite is how Jerry forgets about his man and let him crush Eli.
Ereck gonna Ereck  
RobCarpenter : 6/5/2019 4:02 pm : link
RE: RE: .  
Ceez2.0 : 6/6/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14463358 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 14463283 Diver_Down said:


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don't see the problem, he ran a pretty good route there.


Got damn, I really almost just spit out my coffee. Had me lol'ing so hard.
RE: Greet OL coach  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14463111 Jon C. in MD said:
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When Flowers signed, I heard more than one host/guest/“insider” on DC sports radio say that he just needs good coaching and that the Redskins have one of the best OL coaches in football. I guess he just needed the right coach. Maybe he’s still in the process of breaking down his bad technique to build him back up...

It is amazing how teams think they can coach up a previous bust. They’d be much better off with one more undrafted rookie free agent prospect taking up the roster spot. There’s a better chance once of those guys becomes a backup OL.

Mike Solari is a great OL coach also and Flowers never improved under him. Solari built two of the best offensive lines of the past 25 years during his time in KC and SF.
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