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Anakim : 6/5/2019 3:08 pm
Tarmo Reunanen signed, adding more depth to an absolutely packed left defense side. I don't know anything about him, but NYRTwitter seem to love him. Think he may have top-4 potential. Boy would it be nice to rid ourselves of Staal and Smith. Get cap space and free up minutes for the young guys.

Meanwhile, we're still getting either Jack Hughes or Kaapo Kakko, but it remains to be seen what our neighbors across the Hudson may do. Either way, both guys should be stars. We also have the #20 pick, and we have two late second rounders.



I met Rod Gilbert for the second time in my life...that was cool.



So that's it for now. Haven't heard much from the JD/Gorton camp, as everything so far has been kept under wraps.
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Sign Panarin  
Gman11 : 6/6/2019 7:59 am : link
Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder.

As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense.
RE: Sign Panarin  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14464556 Gman11 said:
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Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder.

As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense.

I agree stay away from Karlsson (unless you are a contender today and can get a short-term deal), but even a gimpy Karlsson is not close to Shattenkirk.

As recently as game 4 of the western conference finals, Karlsson was dominating - impacting the entire pace and play of the game.

And this is after scoring the OT game winner in game 3 (albeit controversially)
I didn't know this, but Kakko has Celiac Disease and Diabetes  
Anakim : 6/6/2019 11:48 am : link
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RE: I didn't know this, but Kakko has Celiac Disease and Diabetes  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14464806 Anakim said:
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Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds.

what is celiacs? Is that like chron's?
RE: RE: I didn't know this, but Kakko has Celiac Disease and Diabetes  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14464814 pjcas18 said:
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Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds.

what is celiacs? Is that like chron's?


People with celiac's disease have to maintain a gluten free diet. Gluten triggers essentially an allergic reaction. Long term there are studies that show increased odds of getting cancer but day to day someone with celiac's with a normal diet are generally mostly fine.
RE: RE: RE: I didn't know this, but Kakko has Celiac Disease and Diabetes  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14464819 DanMetroMan said:
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Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds.

what is celiacs? Is that like chron's?



People with celiac's disease have to maintain a gluten free diet. Gluten triggers essentially an allergic reaction. Long term there are studies that show increased odds of getting cancer but day to day someone with celiac's with a normal diet are generally mostly fine.


Thanks bud, wish you were still posting on Mets threads, you know misery does love company. LOL.
RE: Karlsson is only 17 months older than Panarin  
arcarsenal : 6/6/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14464169 Vanzetti said:
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He just turned 29

He transformed the sharks.

So, to me, Panarin would be business as usual for the Rangers. A guy who is good but not going to lift the team to the next level.Rangers have done that again and again

Karlsson has no equivalent in Rangers history other than Messier and Jagr. Messier won a cup and Jagr might have if not for the strike or come close.

I think EK has five good years left. Go for the gold instead of the bronze.






This is off base.

You're completely dismissing the injury aspect for Karlsson. Going back to the foot issue he was playing through when we played the Senators in the playoffs 2 years ago. He just had groin surgery.

Games played for EK the last 4 years....

82
77
71
53

Seeing the trend?

He transformed the Sharks how? His own coach basically said they didn't have him on the ice long enough for that.

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“He’s elite,” Sharks coach Pete DeBoer said May 23, two days after the Sharks were eliminated from the playoffs. “That six-eight weeks when he was in, used to our group, understood where he fit, I thought we were the best team in hockey. Unfortunately, we didn’t have him for very long.”


He's a great player, but he's not great if he's not on the ice - and I'm not sure I see him cranking out 75+ game seasons again any time soon.

Panarin would be safer and smarter.
RE: RE: Sign Panarin  
Gman11 : 6/6/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14464590 pjcas18 said:
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Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder.

As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense.


I agree stay away from Karlsson (unless you are a contender today and can get a short-term deal), but even a gimpy Karlsson is not close to Shattenkirk.

As recently as game 4 of the western conference finals, Karlsson was dominating - impacting the entire pace and play of the game.


I didn't say they were comparable, just the same type. Offensively gifted, defensively deficient. Shatty has had his injury problems after signing with the Rangers so it's not they signed damaged goods. If they sign Karlsson with his recent injury history then they're asking for trouble. Karlsson may not be old, but injuries become more prevalent as they get older and he's not going to sign for only a couple of years.
Patience  
Jay in Toronto : 6/6/2019 8:30 pm : link
Play the long game.

Trade Kreider.
Hayes  
Jay in Toronto : 6/6/2019 8:39 pm : link
I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers?
RE: Hayes  
Anakim : 6/6/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14465372 Jay in Toronto said:
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I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers?


Hayes hasn't signed with Philly yet
RE: RE: Hayes  
Jay in Toronto : 6/6/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14465374 Anakim said:
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I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers?



Hayes hasn't signed with Philly yet


Exactly. That's my question.
Didn’t know that about Kakko  
MetsAreBack : 6/6/2019 11:13 pm : link
Sounds hopefully manageable but that pretty much ices any mystery there might have been about the Devils pick.

Hopefully a non issue and he’s as great as we all hope / have read he can be. But I still think we’re idiots if we sign any FAs this summer. Want to retool in a year ... fine... but there is no point trying to compete this coming season and I’d still like to see the next expansion draft parameters before I’m locking in roster spots.
Didn't Bobby Clarke have diabetes? Didn't hamper him at all.  
yatqb : 6/6/2019 11:28 pm : link
And Celiac is a problem if undiagnosed, as you don't absorb nutrients (especially calcium) as well and often have other gastrointestinal issues (e.g., cramping, gas) if you eat foods with gluten. But it's only an inconvenience if it has been diagnosed and if the person adjusts his or her diet accordingly.
Concerning Article  
MetsAreBack : 6/11/2019 9:44 pm : link
I find it hard to believe we are this stupid and short sighted to absorb dead money in 2021 and 2022 so we can what, try to get to 80 points this year and then try to win a cup in 2020-2021 with a transition in goalie?

Hopefully, I pray, just offseason bullshit to try and get season tickets excited and to renew .... this Karlsson and other Hail Mary bullshit is insanity
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RE: Concerning Article  
Anakim : 6/12/2019 1:06 am : link
In comment 14469967 MetsAreBack said:
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I find it hard to believe we are this stupid and short sighted to absorb dead money in 2021 and 2022 so we can what, try to get to 80 points this year and then try to win a cup in 2020-2021 with a transition in goalie?

Hopefully, I pray, just offseason bullshit to try and get season tickets excited and to renew .... this Karlsson and other Hail Mary bullshit is insanity Concerning article - ( New Window )


I find some bullshit in that article, particularly the lack of interest in Shattenkirk at 50% retained. So Uncle Larry is saying that there isn't a team that would offer him 3.325M per on the open market? I find that hard to believe.
Who knows  
MetsAreBack : 6/12/2019 11:06 am : link
But when you’re statistically one of the worst 3 teams in the league last year (despite a pretty good work ethic) and have a ton of old guys all with two years left on your deals... you don’t buy guys out to penalize yourself 3 and 4 years from now. That’s certifiable.
Buyouts of either Staal  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2019 11:21 am : link
or Smith would be stupid.

They should do what I suggested, trade one (or both) with draft picks for the cap relief and to make room for the youngsters.

It's the new "buyout"

trading to teams who need cap space.

I'd rather send a 3rd or 4th round pick for a team like Arizona or Ottawa to take Staal than buy him out. And there are teams who need to add cap space.
It doesn't make much sense to buy anyone out  
Anakim : 6/12/2019 11:26 am : link
But I do agree that they should find a way to unload Smith and/or Staal. Attach an asset...like one of our two second rounders. And if they retain 50%, they may be able to get a decent player/pick in return.

They should keep Shattenkirk. Let him play on the second or third pair and let him mentor Fox and TDA. Besides,
he's better than Pionk. It makes absolutely no sense to buy out Shattenkirk.
Agreed,  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/12/2019 12:07 pm : link
let the contracts expire, or package a sweetener with Staal.

Since Staal has a NMC, he can't be buried in the AHL, but Smith can. I'd put Smith in the AHL, we save $1.075 on the cap, while incurring the $3.275 on the books.

With Staal, I'd look for a team that has a ton of cap room, and see what we'd need to add. I know these trades with a sweetener can be a little painful (Chicago dumping Bickell and needing to add Teuvo), but I'd be shopping that around.

I'm fine with keeping Shatty here for now.
If Kreider is not extended  
JPinstripes : 6/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
before next Friday's draft, it would not surprise if he is dealt which would open the door for an ALL IN push for FA forward Panarin.

What would Kreider get in return on Draft night? High move up packaged with NYR's 48th pick? Mid level 1st?
Uncle Larry had a way too early look at the Expansion Draft  
Anakim : 6/13/2019 12:28 pm : link
I mean shit, can we see who's on the roster first?


Besides, the Coyotes can always say "uncle" and realize hockey in Arizona is a bad idea and just relocate to Seattle :P
FYI..  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello.

After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts.

If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years.

And they have 3 seconds this year too.
RE: FYI..  
Anakim : 6/13/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14471248 pjcas18 said:
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I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello.

After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts.

If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years.

And they have 3 seconds this year too.


They have two seconds this year. Both are late second rounders.
RE: RE: FYI..  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14471338 Anakim said:
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I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello.

After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts.

If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years.

And they have 3 seconds this year too.



They have two seconds this year. Both are late second rounders.


Right, I forgot they traded away their 2nd round pick for Fox. Consider him a draft pick/youth infusion.
I don't like everything Gorton has done  
Greg from LI : 6/13/2019 3:40 pm : link
But he's done a great job of collecting draft picks to rebuild the system. Hopefully it starts bearing some fruit soon.
RE: Didn’t know that about Kakko  
DanMetroMan : 6/13/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14465531 MetsAreBack said:
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Sounds hopefully manageable but that pretty much ices any mystery there might have been about the Devils pick.

Hopefully a non issue and he’s as great as we all hope / have read he can be. But I still think we’re idiots if we sign any FAs this summer. Want to retool in a year ... fine... but there is no point trying to compete this coming season and I’d still like to see the next expansion draft parameters before I’m locking in roster spots.


He said he was diagnosed in 2015 so unless the Devils (and others were 100% kept in the dark) teams likely knew before fans did.
Any updated chatter on the Devils preference?  
JonC : 6/13/2019 5:19 pm : link
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Dallas/Zucc  
Drewcon40 : 6/14/2019 9:21 am : link
Quick question - if Dallas were to trade Zuccarello's rights to another team as the Jets did with Hayes, does that void the conditions of the draft pick if he signs before 7/1? Or do the conditions accompany the trade?

Furthermore what if that occurred and he wound up resigning with Dallas after 7/1?

I know these are not likely scenarios, I was just curious.
RE: Any updated chatter on the Devils preference?  
JPinstripes : 6/14/2019 10:21 am : link
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Every reputable scout and scouting service has Hughes 1st and Kakko 2nd. Plus you have to think with the Devils strong ties to USA hockey (Shero and the Coach) they almost have to select the unanimously higher rated American Hughes - at least that's my read.
I hear nothing but the same  
Carl in CT : 6/14/2019 11:13 am : link
I’m fine with either one in Ranger blue. I’m sure devil fans feel the same way.
RE: RE: Any updated chatter on the Devils preference?  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14471948 JPinstripes said:
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Every reputable scout and scouting service has Hughes 1st and Kakko 2nd. Plus you have to think with the Devils strong ties to USA hockey (Shero and the Coach) they almost have to select the unanimously higher rated American Hughes - at least that's my read.


It certainly seems that way. Hughes 1 and K 2.
This ones for Greg!  
MetsAreBack : 6/14/2019 1:25 pm : link
Lol


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It does, but there were rumblings about Hughes not being happy  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 1:26 pm : link
with going to NJ (and no, that's not me saying it as a slight against the Devils). They were only whispers and nothing substantiated, so it seems like barring anything unforeseen, Hughes will be a Devil and Kakko will be in New York.
RE: This ones for Greg!  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14472172 MetsAreBack said:
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Lol
#15 on the jersey but #1 in our hearts - ( New Window )


I don't mind it. Glass, the player was absolutely atrocious, but the guy is no dummy (went to Dartmouth), he was seemingly very well-liked in the locker room and actually seems like a really good dude off the ice. And frankly, he made the most out of his (very) limited skillset by carving out an actual lengthy NHL career.
RE: RE: This ones for Greg!  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14472177 Anakim said:
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Lol
#15 on the jersey but #1 in our hearts - ( New Window )



I don't mind it. Glass, the player was absolutely atrocious, but the guy is no dummy (went to Dartmouth), he was seemingly very well-liked in the locker room and actually seems like a really good dude off the ice. And frankly, he made the most out of his (very) limited skillset by carving out an actual lengthy NHL career.


That backhand from the face off over Price's shoulder still haunts me.
Hughes  
LeftHook : 6/14/2019 6:51 pm : link
Is a better fit for the Dev's (FAS)system. His speed and edge work and play making ability at full speed, Sticking handling similar P Kane. Devils will take Hughes.
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MetsAreBack : 6/14/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14472204 pjcas18 said:
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Lol
#15 on the jersey but #1 in our hearts - ( New Window )



I don't mind it. Glass, the player was absolutely atrocious, but the guy is no dummy (went to Dartmouth), he was seemingly very well-liked in the locker room and actually seems like a really good dude off the ice. And frankly, he made the most out of his (very) limited skillset by carving out an actual lengthy NHL career.

The skill on that play was off he charts. Don’t beat yourself up - Price had not shot. Summer clinics are teaching kids across America that technique.



That backhand from the face off over Price's shoulder still haunts me.
There's a rumor floating around that the Rangers want Dylan Cozens  
Anakim : 6/17/2019 1:55 pm : link
and would trade #20 and Chris Kreider to the Oilers for #8 to select Cozens
my god....  
Greg from LI : 6/17/2019 1:58 pm : link
So, to teach your best prospects, you want the guy who was literally the worst skater in the NHL? Makes perfect sense.
RE: There's a rumor floating around that the Rangers want Dylan Cozens  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14474441 Anakim said:
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and would trade #20 and Chris Kreider to the Oilers for #8 to select Cozens


I love Cozens, but why another C? Do they think Andersson isn't a C?

I would make that trade too - also clears cap space for Panarin.
RE: RE: There's a rumor floating around that the Rangers want Dylan Cozens  
Anakim : 6/17/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14474448 pjcas18 said:
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and would trade #20 and Chris Kreider to the Oilers for #8 to select Cozens



I love Cozens, but why another C? Do they think Andersson isn't a C?

I would make that trade too - also clears cap space for Panarin.



I literally only watched and know about Hughes, Kakko and some of Moritz Seider so I'm going to defer to you on this.

The full rumor from the Hockey Writers is:  
Anakim : 6/17/2019 2:23 pm : link
#20, Krieder and Shattenkirk (who I doubt would want to go to Edmonton) for #8, Puljujarvi and Milan Lucic (gross)
Lucic  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2019 2:28 pm : link
Is a player I was thinking MTL should take back in a trade for Nugent-Hopkins.

If you take Lucic back, you don't give up Kreider IMO.

Lucic is a crippling contract for a cap strapped team, to bail them out of that you don't also give Kreider even if you get #8.

But he is a player I'd target on a team with cap space.

but I'd want a quality player back and now that Draisatl proved he could "carry a line" I'd target Nugent-Hopkins who is really a 2c playing 3c for EDM.
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Kyle in NY : 6/17/2019 2:29 pm : link
Sounds like Jimmy Vesey is almost certain to be traded this offseason
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Anakim : 6/17/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14474487 Kyle in NY said:
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Sounds like Jimmy Vesey is almost certain to be traded this offseason


Yep. Seems like a foregone conclusion.
RE: Lucic  
Greg from LI : 6/17/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14474484 pjcas18 said:
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If you take Lucic back, you don't give up Kreider IMO.


Yeah, you either give them Kreider or you take on Lucic. Doing both is extremely stupid.
Vesey  
jv : 6/17/2019 2:39 pm : link
The Twitter Account @NHLRumorsDaily (which I don't know a ton about but they have been right about news in recent days) is claiming that Jimmy Vesey has requested a trade.
that Lucic contract  
bigbluehoya : 6/17/2019 2:52 pm : link
is bad enough that it could hinder NYR when they're ready to focus on winning again. What an albatross. 4 more years x $6m.

Most of the cash is already paid, so it may be relatively less of a liability for a small market team that doesn't come close to spending at the cap limits.
RE: Vesey  
Anakim : 6/17/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14474506 jv said:
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The Twitter Account @NHLRumorsDaily (which I don't know a ton about but they have been right about news in recent days) is claiming that Jimmy Vesey has requested a trade.


Tony DeAngelo said it was bullshit
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