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Hughes will be the #1 pick.

linked to Erik Karlsson too.

I'd love that for the Rangers. LOL.

Replace Smith and Staal finally with another anchor (though Karlsson at his worst is better than those two - as long as he's on the ice).

Smith, Henrik Staal,Shattenkirk all have two years left. It would be a big mistake imo to buy them out, just like it was a big mistake to do that with Girardi.

You have to be patient with a rebuild. Rangers have more young talent but still not enough to form the nucleus of a championship team.

If Kreider gets off to a good start he might bring back two firsts or something in that neighborhood. Play the young guys and keep the rebuild going another year

Kakko time
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In comment 14464053 DanMetroMan said:

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That was a heck of a play. His ability to carry the puck down ice is tremendous. Rangers have not had a guy like that in forever

2 1sts (one would be a premium IMO), he needs to be paid too - he's entering the final year of his contract and has a M-NTC.

What the Rangers should do is what many smart teams are doing now (though usually when they're up against the cap) is trade Staal or Smith and a pick (like their 3rd round pick or even their 4th if they can get someone to do it) to a team with cap space or one that needs to add to their cap to be compliant.

sometimes you can get back an older prospect too.

Canadiens did this with WIN, and took Steve Mason back. They got Joel Armia (top 6 forward), a 7th round pick and a 4th round pick.

Canadiens only sent back Simon Bourque (career minor leaguer IMO)

so the Rangers can easily trade Smith or Staal IMO to the Av's or Senators (or any one of several teams) with a pick, for an older prospect.

That to me is more advantageous than buying the player out.

Jets cleared $4.1M in cap room.

In comment 14464053 DanMetroMan said:

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Hey Dan. Some of us Mets fans were worried about your health. We haven't seen you post on the Mets threads recently. Have you given up on the Mets this year? The Mets forever? Glad to see you posting on a thread for the best run team in NY (if you ignore the Yankees like I do.)

Alex Nunn (@rj_ranger the Euro correspondent for Blueshirt Banter) sees a ton of European hockey, he's based over there, and has compiled highlight videos for the season of Kappo, Rykov, Shestyorkin, Kravtsov, etc. Even having signed his ELC, he thinks Reunanen would benefit from another year of play in Finland Liga.

A piece on Reunanen by Nunn earlier this year, with some gifs of his play: https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/2/20/18231483/blueshirt-banter-exclusive-tarmo-reunanen-interview

In comment 14464074 SJGiant said:

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In comment 14464053 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Kakko time Link - ( New Window ) Hey Dan. Some of us Mets fans were worried about your health. We haven't seen you post on the Mets threads recently. Have you given up on the Mets this year? The Mets forever? Glad to see you posting on a thread for the best run team in NY (if you ignore the Yankees like I do.)

Hey hey. I'm totally 100% good. I'm moving (kind of last minute) and had a lot of moving parts going on at the same time which took precedent. My personal passion for the Mets is in fact at an all-time low which I'm sure has contributed as well but really just extremely busy with extra stuff. Thanks for the concern though!

I really hope the Rangers don't touch Karlsson. That would be very reminiscent of past mistakes.

That rangers would be all in on Karlsson this summer and potentially Malkin too. The report makes me want to vomit.

Eat these bad contracts at least one more year � such short sighted signings / trades would be so short-sighted, so James Dolan....

like this if I was the Rangers.

Same guy posted a similar trade I think with Kreider as the centerpiece instead of the #20 I think.

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HockeyStatMiner ‏ @HockeyStatMiner 9h9 hours ago Your Trouba trade poll of the day: Jets get... - #20 - #57 - Pionk (RFA heading into arbitration) - Rights to Morgan Barron (entering NCAA junior year) Rangers get... - Trouba (will sign a 7-yr, $7m/yr deal) - Kulikov (to be bought out: $1.4m/yr dead cap for 2 yrs)

But Karlsson has logged a lot of miles with 700+ games already, was very banged up last season, and couldn't finish the playoffs healthy.

He's the best defenseman of this generation so I'm sure I'd talk myself into it if it happens, but my instinct says this contract has buyer beware all over it.

I'm also a yes on Panarin - he's young enough that even 7 years would likely not turn bad until the very end (if it even turned bad at all)

But Karlsson is just a huge red flag for me and the type of signing I really had hoped NYR were going to start avoiding and being smarter about. So, let's hope this doesn't come to pass.

of crap, but hardly sounds like JD as a new Pres.; sounds more like panic

He just turned 29

He transformed the sharks.

So, to me, Panarin would be business as usual for the Rangers. A guy who is good but not going to lift the team to the next level.Rangers have done that again and again

Karlsson has no equivalent in Rangers history other than Messier and Jagr. Messier won a cup and Jagr might have if not for the strike or come close.

I think EK has five good years left. Go for the gold instead of the bronze.

the Sharks?

their ROW/PT total each of the past 6 years:

2018-2019 with EK: 46/101
2017-2018 without EK: 45/100
2016-2017 without EK: 46/99
2015-2016 without EK: 46/98 - lost in SCF
2014-2015 without EK: 40/89
2013-2014 without EK: 51/111

Where exactly is the transformation? Most hockey (and Sharks fans if there are any) commented on how long it took him to get acclimated to SJ. Even playing alongside one of the best in the game in Brent Burns.



Karlsson is a fantastic player, but injuries, especially foot/ankle injuries to a hockey player who relies on his skating ability can be transformational.

Karlsson played the fewest games this year since he was 22 years old.

Unless someone gives you a medical and says that issue is 100% fixable and won't lead to other issues (like the groin issue) and he can return to 100% health, I wouldn't touch him on anything more than a 2 - 3 year deal and even at that if my choice is Karlsson or Panarin it's a no-brainer - Panarin is my choice on who to invest in at this point.

Even this past playoffs, in a pivotal game 5 Karlsson can't get on the ice in the 3rd, played a total of 10 min. when he'd been averaging probably 25 min in the series and they lost of course and then down 3 - 2 in the series he couldn't even dress for game 6.

Is that the kind of investment you want to make? Granted this was a groin injury that sidelined Karlsson in the WCF, but IMO it was predictable.

Stick with the rebuild, Gorton.

Karlson while an elite talent carries an unacceptable risk factor imo. If they sign him it signals to me that Sather is still too influential even with the addition of JD.

That said I believe the beats and media are really the driving force behind the Karlson chatter.

Panarin is another story. I'll trust JD on that one. He had the guy in his locker room and should have a good read on him and whether or not he'll fit in the plans. The talent is there but is he about winning or his stat line?

Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder.

As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense.

In comment 14464556 Gman11 said:

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Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder. As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense.

I agree stay away from Karlsson (unless you are a contender today and can get a short-term deal), but even a gimpy Karlsson is not close to Shattenkirk.

As recently as game 4 of the western conference finals, Karlsson was dominating - impacting the entire pace and play of the game.

And this is after scoring the OT game winner in game 3 (albeit controversially)

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Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds.

what is celiacs? Is that like chron's?

In comment 14464814 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14464806 Anakim said: Quote: . Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds. what is celiacs? Is that like chron's?

People with celiac's disease have to maintain a gluten free diet. Gluten triggers essentially an allergic reaction. Long term there are studies that show increased odds of getting cancer but day to day someone with celiac's with a normal diet are generally mostly fine.

In comment 14464819 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14464814 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14464806 Anakim said: Quote: . Didn't know about celiac, but they talked about his diabetes at the U18 and U20 worlds. what is celiacs? Is that like chron's? People with celiac's disease have to maintain a gluten free diet. Gluten triggers essentially an allergic reaction. Long term there are studies that show increased odds of getting cancer but day to day someone with celiac's with a normal diet are generally mostly fine.

Thanks bud, wish you were still posting on Mets threads, you know misery does love company. LOL.

In comment 14464169 Vanzetti said:

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He just turned 29 He transformed the sharks. So, to me, Panarin would be business as usual for the Rangers. A guy who is good but not going to lift the team to the next level.Rangers have done that again and again Karlsson has no equivalent in Rangers history other than Messier and Jagr. Messier won a cup and Jagr might have if not for the strike or come close. I think EK has five good years left. Go for the gold instead of the bronze.

This is off base.

You're completely dismissing the injury aspect for Karlsson. Going back to the foot issue he was playing through when we played the Senators in the playoffs 2 years ago. He just had groin surgery.

Games played for EK the last 4 years....

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Seeing the trend?

He transformed the Sharks how? His own coach basically said they didn't have him on the ice long enough for that.

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�He�s elite,� Sharks coach Pete DeBoer said May 23, two days after the Sharks were eliminated from the playoffs. �That six-eight weeks when he was in, used to our group, understood where he fit, I thought we were the best team in hockey. Unfortunately, we didn�t have him for very long.�

He's a great player, but he's not great if he's not on the ice - and I'm not sure I see him cranking out 75+ game seasons again any time soon.

Panarin would be safer and smarter.

In comment 14464590 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14464556 Gman11 said: Quote: Just adding a future star in Kakko isn't going to transform the Rangers into an immediate contender. Having Panarin and Kakko gives you more hope especially if Kravtsov can play like a first rounder. As for Karlsson, stay away. They already have a dman just like him in Shattenkirk. Karlsson is (was?) a great player, but the last couple of years he's had some bad injuries. What they need is a couple of those boring dmen that, you know, play defense. I agree stay away from Karlsson (unless you are a contender today and can get a short-term deal), but even a gimpy Karlsson is not close to Shattenkirk. As recently as game 4 of the western conference finals, Karlsson was dominating - impacting the entire pace and play of the game.

I didn't say they were comparable, just the same type. Offensively gifted, defensively deficient. Shatty has had his injury problems after signing with the Rangers so it's not they signed damaged goods. If they sign Karlsson with his recent injury history then they're asking for trouble. Karlsson may not be old, but injuries become more prevalent as they get older and he's not going to sign for only a couple of years.

Play the long game.

Trade Kreider.

I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers?

In comment 14465372 Jay in Toronto said:

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I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers?

Hayes hasn't signed with Philly yet

In comment 14465374 Anakim said:

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In comment 14465372 Jay in Toronto said: Quote: I wonder what the impact will be of AV on his signing with the Flyers? Hayes hasn't signed with Philly yet

Exactly. That's my question.

Sounds hopefully manageable but that pretty much ices any mystery there might have been about the Devils pick.

Hopefully a non issue and he�s as great as we all hope / have read he can be. But I still think we�re idiots if we sign any FAs this summer. Want to retool in a year ... fine... but there is no point trying to compete this coming season and I�d still like to see the next expansion draft parameters before I�m locking in roster spots.

And Celiac is a problem if undiagnosed, as you don't absorb nutrients (especially calcium) as well and often have other gastrointestinal issues (e.g., cramping, gas) if you eat foods with gluten. But it's only an inconvenience if it has been diagnosed and if the person adjusts his or her diet accordingly.

I find it hard to believe we are this stupid and short sighted to absorb dead money in 2021 and 2022 so we can what, try to get to 80 points this year and then try to win a cup in 2020-2021 with a transition in goalie?

Hopefully, I pray, just offseason bullshit to try and get season tickets excited and to renew .... this Karlsson and other Hail Mary bullshit is insanity
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In comment 14469967 MetsAreBack said:

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I find it hard to believe we are this stupid and short sighted to absorb dead money in 2021 and 2022 so we can what, try to get to 80 points this year and then try to win a cup in 2020-2021 with a transition in goalie? Hopefully, I pray, just offseason bullshit to try and get season tickets excited and to renew .... this Karlsson and other Hail Mary bullshit is insanity Concerning article - ( New Window )

I find some bullshit in that article, particularly the lack of interest in Shattenkirk at 50% retained. So Uncle Larry is saying that there isn't a team that would offer him 3.325M per on the open market? I find that hard to believe.

But when you�re statistically one of the worst 3 teams in the league last year (despite a pretty good work ethic) and have a ton of old guys all with two years left on your deals... you don�t buy guys out to penalize yourself 3 and 4 years from now. That�s certifiable.

or Smith would be stupid.

They should do what I suggested, trade one (or both) with draft picks for the cap relief and to make room for the youngsters.

It's the new "buyout"

trading to teams who need cap space.

I'd rather send a 3rd or 4th round pick for a team like Arizona or Ottawa to take Staal than buy him out. And there are teams who need to add cap space.

But I do agree that they should find a way to unload Smith and/or Staal. Attach an asset...like one of our two second rounders. And if they retain 50%, they may be able to get a decent player/pick in return.

They should keep Shattenkirk. Let him play on the second or third pair and let him mentor Fox and TDA. Besides,
he's better than Pionk. It makes absolutely no sense to buy out Shattenkirk.

let the contracts expire, or package a sweetener with Staal.

Since Staal has a NMC, he can't be buried in the AHL, but Smith can. I'd put Smith in the AHL, we save $1.075 on the cap, while incurring the $3.275 on the books.

With Staal, I'd look for a team that has a ton of cap room, and see what we'd need to add. I know these trades with a sweetener can be a little painful (Chicago dumping Bickell and needing to add Teuvo), but I'd be shopping that around.

I'm fine with keeping Shatty here for now.

before next Friday's draft, it would not surprise if he is dealt which would open the door for an ALL IN push for FA forward Panarin.

What would Kreider get in return on Draft night? High move up packaged with NYR's 48th pick? Mid level 1st?

I mean shit, can we see who's on the roster first?


Besides, the Coyotes can always say "uncle" and realize hockey in Arizona is a bad idea and just relocate to Seattle :P

I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello.

After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts.

If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years.

And they have 3 seconds this year too.

In comment 14471248 pjcas18 said:

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I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello. After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts. If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years. And they have 3 seconds this year too.

They have two seconds this year. Both are late second rounders.

In comment 14471338 Anakim said:

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In comment 14471248 pjcas18 said: Quote: I read the Stars consider themselves contenders for 2020 and are likely (or at least strongly considering) re-signing Zuccarello. After this year (assuming they make their picks) the Rangers will have added 7 1st round picks to their system in 3 drafts. If Zucc re-signs (and nothing else changes) that would be 9 in 4 years. And they have 3 seconds this year too. They have two seconds this year. Both are late second rounders.

Right, I forgot they traded away their 2nd round pick for Fox. Consider him a draft pick/youth infusion.

But he's done a great job of collecting draft picks to rebuild the system. Hopefully it starts bearing some fruit soon.

In comment 14465531 MetsAreBack said:

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Sounds hopefully manageable but that pretty much ices any mystery there might have been about the Devils pick. Hopefully a non issue and he�s as great as we all hope / have read he can be. But I still think we�re idiots if we sign any FAs this summer. Want to retool in a year ... fine... but there is no point trying to compete this coming season and I�d still like to see the next expansion draft parameters before I�m locking in roster spots.

He said he was diagnosed in 2015 so unless the Devils (and others were 100% kept in the dark) teams likely knew before fans did.

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Quick question - if Dallas were to trade Zuccarello's rights to another team as the Jets did with Hayes, does that void the conditions of the draft pick if he signs before 7/1? Or do the conditions accompany the trade?

Furthermore what if that occurred and he wound up resigning with Dallas after 7/1?

I know these are not likely scenarios, I was just curious.

In comment 14471411 JonC said:

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Every reputable scout and scouting service has Hughes 1st and Kakko 2nd. Plus you have to think with the Devils strong ties to USA hockey (Shero and the Coach) they almost have to select the unanimously higher rated American Hughes - at least that's my read.

I�m fine with either one in Ranger blue. I�m sure devil fans feel the same way.