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DpeeFor2 : 6/5/2019 4:53 pm
Ramona Shelburne says Knicks ahead of Lakers in AD chase
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RE: DJM that is what it is feeling like  
Strahan91 : 6/9/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14467118 nygiants16 said:
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..

Its always good to temper expectations but until KD signs somewhere besides with NYK, this is very premature. I can tell you the Knicks feel good about their chances with KD but its never been a lock, nothing has been agreed upon behind closed doors or anything like that. They never felt that way about Kyrie. They knew KD wouldnt come alone (hence why when trading KP cap space was a big priority) and they thought (maybe they still do) that Kyrie was a candidate for their other max slot because of his relationship with KD. The Nets are now in a similar boat except its Kyrie they feel good about. Probably more of a certainty than KD to the Knicks but most dont believe KD has any interest in BK and that its still GS or NYK for him. That wont stop the Nets from taking their shot, nor should it but its far more likely they wind up with a Kyrie Butler, Harris or Russell pairing than anything else.
RE: RE: RE: DJM that is what it is feeling like  
djm : 6/9/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14467165 nygiants16 said:
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..



We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.



i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan


Haha its just a coping mechanism I get it! Dare to dream.
Asshattery re RJ joining Knicks party  
shyster : 6/9/2019 8:28 pm : link
on flight this evening from West Coast to NY. Story is these were the Knicks players who attended the finals game together in Oakland. Barrett will be working out for Knicks this week in NY.

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A friend is headed back from the west coast and is on a plane with some Knicks and R.J. sitting together. He said apparently they were talking about how good the pitch to KD went.


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Thats quite the tidbit. What is RJ doing with the Knicks on a plane? And why are they pitching [KD] in the middle of the Finals?


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yeah hes a casual fan, so idk what to read into that.

But RJ was definitely sitting with the Knick players (I assume it was the group including Knox that reportedly went to Game 4 with the Knicks assistant coach.)

Maybe the plan is to keep RJ and only use cap space to get help for KD? I think Kyrie was the first option but he kinda went rogue with this BK stuff


FWIW, caveat emptor, etc

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Knox, Trier and Barrett were definitely in Oakland.  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2019 9:03 pm : link
Not sure who else. I guess they could've snuck in a meeting with Durant - nothing in the rules prevents players from chatting, and KD hasn't had much to do lately.
KD: "Nice chatting boys.  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2019 9:07 pm : link
By the way we're trading all your bum asses for AD. Enjoy the game."
Not for nothing, but how do we know the Grizzlies won't shock everyone  
Anakim : 6/9/2019 11:12 pm : link
and take Barrett and thus leave Morant for us?
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Anakim : 6/9/2019 11:23 pm : link
NBC Sports Boston

@NBCSBoston
🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.
RE: Not for nothing, but how do we know the Grizzlies won't shock everyone  
ChaChing : 6/9/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14467791 Anakim said:
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and take Barrett and thus leave Morant for us?

We've heard rumors to the like, after hearing Mem is sold on Morant (coinciding w/ news on his recent knee scope / clean up fwiw). So IMO it's not shocking at all even if it's less likely

Unless they are much lower on Morant than the field (which we've heard NYK might rate him #2), he's the pick if NO picks RJ. Tho I'd understand a pick of Culver or someone else. Not 100% sure what I'd do in that scenario as I'm not in love w/ Morant in spite of his talents
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ChaChing : 6/9/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14467802 Anakim said:
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NBC Sports Boston

@NBCSBoston
🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.

I'm still baffled given all the tampering stuff, but at this point just have to shrug

Rivers gets fined for general Kawhi compliments, while the Cs can be openly "engaged" in trade talks while the season still isn't completed?

At least NYK interest was reported as "...will push hard for Kawhi on 6/30/19"
Teams are allowed to talk trade  
Italianju : 6/10/2019 6:53 am : link
Where is the tampering there? Kawhi is a FA so a team cant talk about him. These are very different scenarios.
RE: Teams are allowed to talk trade  
ChaChing : 6/10/2019 7:11 am : link
In comment 14467845 Italianju said:
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Where is the tampering there? Kawhi is a FA so a team cant talk about him. These are very different scenarios.

Brain fart. Clearly different!
not sure about that move for BOS...  
Italianju : 6/10/2019 8:13 am : link
i mean how much better is Clint then horford? Does he put them over the top? Do you pay them both at the same time? Or do they think that Al isnt exercising his PO. WOuld be a bit risky on his part as he is set to earn 30 mill next season.
Apparently  
Jon in NYC : 6/10/2019 8:42 am : link
Chris Carter said this morning that he thinks Kawhi to NY has a good chance of happening.
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Jon in NYC : 6/10/2019 8:44 am : link
@TommyBeer
22m22 minutes ago
Interesting insight from Chris Carter this morning on @FTFonFS1.

Carter, who is very close w/ Kawhi Leonard and his camp, said that:
"I believe the Knicks have a shot to land Kawhi and KD." And added that Kawhi and Durant teaming up in New York is a "real possibility."

@TommyBeer
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Carter also reported this morning that the Spurs were NOT willing to offer Kawhi Leonard a max contract - which is part of the reason why Kawhi wanted to leave San Antonio.
Chris Carter?  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 9:02 am : link
The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?
RE: Chris Carter?  
Jon in NYC : 6/10/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14467923 Greg from LI said:
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?


Strikeout machine, thanks for clarifying.
RE: Chris Carter?  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14467923 Greg from LI said:
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?


football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
I'd be floored if Kawhi  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2019 9:25 am : link
came to NYC.
so it's Cris Carter saying this, then?  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 9:27 am : link
I wouldn't believe that guy if he told me water is wet.
Segment from this morning's show  
shyster : 6/10/2019 9:53 am : link
Comments about Kawhi and the Knicks at the beginning.

Carter's remarks are restrained. Only says he "wouldn't be surprised" if Kawhi went to Knicks, as a third possibility if he didn't go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto.

The other talking head then says that Knicks are one of three possible destinations but a clear third place behind Clippers and Raptors. Carter nods at that remark.

Maybe they return to the subject later and CC says more but I haven't listened that far and don't think it changes the bottom line.
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RE: RE: Chris Carter?  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14467936 nygiants16 said:
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?



football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"


Those are strong connections.

Given the NBA landscape and quality level of the top teams now many times you need at least a trio of superstars/borderline stars to make it to the finals.

With Kawhi and KD both elite 5 tool do it all players you could possibly make the finals out of the East with just a half decent cast around them. I'm not saying low quality players but role players that excel in certain areas and some ring chasers.

You add Barrett to that mix with DeAndre, Mitch, Trier and then add a couple vets.

My preferred route would be to add AD too but we are going to see some heavy competition for him.
Barrett hasn't met with any teams since the combine  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 10:06 am : link
and has no meetings scheduled except ours. Looking like a done deal.
RE: Barrett hasn't met with any teams since the combine  
Heisenberg : 6/10/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14468007 bceagle05 said:
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and has no meetings scheduled except ours. Looking like a done deal.


I'm 100pct on board with Barrett
uh.......  
Heisenberg : 6/10/2019 11:00 am : link
You bastards are gonna get me dreaming about  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 11:15 am : link
KD/Kawhi, aren't ya? I refuse. One or the other, plus a solid running mate and I'll be thrilled. If they got both, my God...
Carter  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2019 11:35 am : link
previously stated (more than once) that Leonard wants LA.
Leonard  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2019 11:42 am : link
also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.
RE: Leonard  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14468097 DanMetroMan said:
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also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.


definitely good sign for the raptors, the best bet for knicks is still KD
I agree that Kawhi is a long shot  
Heisenberg : 6/10/2019 11:57 am : link
but Tommy Beer seems to think he might have some insight.

What a crazy offseason this could be.... Not just the Knicks but league wide. I still think KD is likely for us but I don't really know what will happen here or anywhere else.
Speaking of Kawhi and KD  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 12:00 pm : link
I can't wait for tonight's game - Raptors are rolling and the crowd will be insane, but I expect a championship effort from Golden State, and a Durant appearance. High drama. And if Golden State someone guts out a win, look out.
Haven't seen this discussed yet but in an  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:11 pm : link
article in The Athletic on Friday by Joe Varden about the finals, this nugget was snuck in:

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In last years Finals, it looked and sounded and felt like LeBron was about to leave Cleveland. He did. The Warriors have all but openly embraced that this is Durants last season here. The smoke around Durant and the Knicks is so thick, sources said, other free agents are upset with how brazen New York has been with its confidence in attracting him as though a deal is already done. Durant, for what its worth, has refuted the last part.


I'm not sure why this would make other free agents upset but if true it would explain why we've now heard Kyrie to Brooklyn and Kemba isn't likely an option for the Knicks if he leaves Charlotte. I find it encouraging personally but the Knicks have read tea leaves wrong before so grain of salt...
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Update from Woj on AD talks  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:27 pm : link
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RE: Update from Woj on AD talks  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 12:28 pm : link
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sounds if it is lakers or knicks the deal will be done before the draft..

Also Woj mentioned knicks would do the deal to pair with kd not to form a big 3
RE: Update from Woj on AD talks  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14468147 Strahan91 said:
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Thanks for posting. Looks like this is going to be done prior to the draft, so we can forget the Dream Team scenario of KD, AD and Kyrie, which was a one-in-a-million shot under the best of circumstances. It sure would be nice to have Anthony Davis seated at the table when KD/Kawhi arrive for their visits.
Pelicans want  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 12:40 pm : link
All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Sounds like Boston could wrap this up in one phone call  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 12:45 pm : link
if they wanted to roll the dice.
RE: Sounds like Boston could wrap this up in one phone call  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14468173 bceagle05 said:
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if they wanted to roll the dice.


which is weird because according to woj boston was not one of the teams who reached out, unless i missed it
RE: Pelicans want  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14468166 bceagle05 said:
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All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.

Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
RE: RE: Pelicans want  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14468181 Strahan91 said:
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All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.


Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.


woj says they are flexible and that is why pelicans are looking for multiple teams
I just view that as posturing given how difficult  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:54 pm : link
it is to pull together a deal of that size. Once you bring a third team into the fold that isn't just taking a player's salary for a pick or something of the sort, it becomes very hard to get to the finish line.
Griffin  
Enzo : 6/10/2019 12:59 pm : link
may as well have gotten a byline on that article, lol.
RE: Griffin  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14468203 Enzo said:
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may as well have gotten a byline on that article, lol.

Lol yep and in return Woj will get to break the news when the trade is agreed upon.
RE: RE: Pelicans want  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14468181 Strahan91 said:
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All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.


Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.


Mitch, RJ Barrett and both Dallas picks certainly come close to that offer. The only thing not in that offering is an fully established and proven all star. But it pretty much everything else that they are looking for.

It all depends on how much we are willing to give up because our offer could be right up there if not the best (sans Boston who AD doesn't want to play for).
RE: RE: Update from Woj on AD talks  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 2:02 pm : link
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sounds if it is lakers or knicks the deal will be done before the draft..

Also Woj mentioned knicks would do the deal to pair with kd not to form a big 3


I hope if we punt on AD it's because we have an inside track on Kawhi or the very least another 2nd max while keeping RJ Barrett. If you get Kawhi and KD and keep Barrett and Mitch that is certainly a better alternative to AD and KD while losing Mitch and RJ Barrett
Let's say some of these murmurs  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 2:15 pm : link
About not forming a big 3 are true:

If that is the clear case then getting Kawhi is the ideal scenario by far because of the assets it will cost to get AD. And the drop after Kawhi is pretty big on the other potential 2nd maxes.

Can we convince Kawhi that KD, RJ Barrett, Mitch, DeAndre and Trier, DSJ, Knox would be the best team to join next year?

Jordan/Mitch
KD/Vet/Mitch/Knox
Kawhi/KD/Knox
RJ Barrett/Dotson/Trier
DSJ/Allen/Frank

Too much youth? There is some D 1-5 on that squad, plenty of scorers too.
so say we trade for AD....  
Italianju : 6/10/2019 2:17 pm : link
for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.
RE: so say we trade for AD....  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14468299 Italianju said:
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for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.


Love AD but yeah it will take a lot more creativity if we go that route.

But if its only 2 but not 3. I'd rather get Kawhi and KD and keep a guy like Barrett and Mitch. For all 3 I'd go the Miami route and sell the farm and go with vet mins and ring chasers
RE: so say we trade for AD....  
Enzo : 6/10/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14468299 Italianju said:
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for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.

sorta related, but as the cap rises and max salaries reach absurd levels ($40-$50 million), I think you'll see guys start taking less than the max but still get crazy money, e.g. a guy like Durant can get something like 3/120 from a new team this summer. Maybe he takes 3/100 if that puts him in a better situation. There have been some previous examples of guys taking less than the max, but it's possible it becomes more prevalent as the total dollars involved becomes more absurd.
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Anakim : 6/10/2019 4:25 pm : link
Chris Iseman
@ChrisIseman

RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2019 4:52 pm : link
case for Barrett
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