Its always good to temper expectations but until KD signs somewhere besides with NYK, this is very premature. I can tell you the Knicks feel good about their chances with KD but its never been a lock, nothing has been agreed upon behind closed doors or anything like that. They never felt that way about Kyrie. They knew KD wouldnt come alone (hence why when trading KP cap space was a big priority) and they thought (maybe they still do) that Kyrie was a candidate for their other max slot because of his relationship with KD. The Nets are now in a similar boat except its Kyrie they feel good about. Probably more of a certainty than KD to the Knicks but most dont believe KD has any interest in BK and that its still GS or NYK for him. That wont stop the Nets from taking their shot, nor should it but its far more likely they wind up with a Kyrie Butler, Harris or Russell pairing than anything else.
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
Haha its just a coping mechanism I get it! Dare to dream.
on flight this evening from West Coast to NY. Story is these were the Knicks players who attended the finals game together in Oakland. Barrett will be working out for Knicks this week in NY.
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A friend is headed back from the west coast and is on a plane with some Knicks and R.J. sitting together. He said apparently they were talking about how good the pitch to KD went.
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Thats quite the tidbit. What is RJ doing with the Knicks on a plane? And why are they pitching [KD] in the middle of the Finals?
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yeah hes a casual fan, so idk what to read into that.
But RJ was definitely sitting with the Knick players (I assume it was the group including Knox that reportedly went to Game 4 with the Knicks assistant coach.)
Maybe the plan is to keep RJ and only use cap space to get help for KD? I think Kyrie was the first option but he kinda went rogue with this BK stuff
Not sure who else. I guess they could've snuck in a meeting with Durant - nothing in the rules prevents players from chatting, and KD hasn't had much to do lately.
We've heard rumors to the like, after hearing Mem is sold on Morant (coinciding w/ news on his recent knee scope / clean up fwiw). So IMO it's not shocking at all even if it's less likely
Unless they are much lower on Morant than the field (which we've heard NYK might rate him #2), he's the pick if NO picks RJ. Tho I'd understand a pick of Culver or someone else. Not 100% sure what I'd do in that scenario as I'm not in love w/ Morant in spite of his talents
i mean how much better is Clint then horford? Does he put them over the top? Do you pay them both at the same time? Or do they think that Al isnt exercising his PO. WOuld be a bit risky on his part as he is set to earn 30 mill next season.
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22m22 minutes ago
Interesting insight from Chris Carter this morning on @FTFonFS1.
Carter, who is very close w/ Kawhi Leonard and his camp, said that:
"I believe the Knicks have a shot to land Kawhi and KD." And added that Kawhi and Durant teaming up in New York is a "real possibility."
@TommyBeer
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Carter also reported this morning that the Spurs were NOT willing to offer Kawhi Leonard a max contract - which is part of the reason why Kawhi wanted to leave San Antonio.
Comments about Kawhi and the Knicks at the beginning.
Carter's remarks are restrained. Only says he "wouldn't be surprised" if Kawhi went to Knicks, as a third possibility if he didn't go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto.
The other talking head then says that Knicks are one of three possible destinations but a clear third place behind Clippers and Raptors. Carter nods at that remark.
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Those are strong connections.
Given the NBA landscape and quality level of the top teams now many times you need at least a trio of superstars/borderline stars to make it to the finals.
With Kawhi and KD both elite 5 tool do it all players you could possibly make the finals out of the East with just a half decent cast around them. I'm not saying low quality players but role players that excel in certain areas and some ring chasers.
You add Barrett to that mix with DeAndre, Mitch, Trier and then add a couple vets.
My preferred route would be to add AD too but we are going to see some heavy competition for him.
Barrett hasn't met with any teams since the combine
also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.
also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.
definitely good sign for the raptors, the best bet for knicks is still KD
but Tommy Beer seems to think he might have some insight.
What a crazy offseason this could be.... Not just the Knicks but league wide. I still think KD is likely for us but I don't really know what will happen here or anywhere else.
I can't wait for tonight's game - Raptors are rolling and the crowd will be insane, but I expect a championship effort from Golden State, and a Durant appearance. High drama. And if Golden State someone guts out a win, look out.
article in The Athletic on Friday by Joe Varden about the finals, this nugget was snuck in:
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In last years Finals, it looked and sounded and felt like LeBron was about to leave Cleveland. He did. The Warriors have all but openly embraced that this is Durants last season here. The smoke around Durant and the Knicks is so thick, sources said, other free agents are upset with how brazen New York has been with its confidence in attracting him as though a deal is already done. Durant, for what its worth, has refuted the last part.
I'm not sure why this would make other free agents upset but if true it would explain why we've now heard Kyrie to Brooklyn and Kemba isn't likely an option for the Knicks if he leaves Charlotte. I find it encouraging personally but the Knicks have read tea leaves wrong before so grain of salt... Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting. Looks like this is going to be done prior to the draft, so we can forget the Dream Team scenario of KD, AD and Kyrie, which was a one-in-a-million shot under the best of circumstances. It sure would be nice to have Anthony Davis seated at the table when KD/Kawhi arrive for their visits.
All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
woj says they are flexible and that is why pelicans are looking for multiple teams
it is to pull together a deal of that size. Once you bring a third team into the fold that isn't just taking a player's salary for a pick or something of the sort, it becomes very hard to get to the finish line.
All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
Mitch, RJ Barrett and both Dallas picks certainly come close to that offer. The only thing not in that offering is an fully established and proven all star. But it pretty much everything else that they are looking for.
It all depends on how much we are willing to give up because our offer could be right up there if not the best (sans Boston who AD doesn't want to play for).
sounds if it is lakers or knicks the deal will be done before the draft..
Also Woj mentioned knicks would do the deal to pair with kd not to form a big 3
I hope if we punt on AD it's because we have an inside track on Kawhi or the very least another 2nd max while keeping RJ Barrett. If you get Kawhi and KD and keep Barrett and Mitch that is certainly a better alternative to AD and KD while losing Mitch and RJ Barrett
If that is the clear case then getting Kawhi is the ideal scenario by far because of the assets it will cost to get AD. And the drop after Kawhi is pretty big on the other potential 2nd maxes.
Can we convince Kawhi that KD, RJ Barrett, Mitch, DeAndre and Trier, DSJ, Knox would be the best team to join next year?
for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.
for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.
Love AD but yeah it will take a lot more creativity if we go that route.
But if its only 2 but not 3. I'd rather get Kawhi and KD and keep a guy like Barrett and Mitch. For all 3 I'd go the Miami route and sell the farm and go with vet mins and ring chasers
for Mitch, #3, DAL pick, and say Frank (to dump his salary). Then we sign KD. How much capspace would we have left? Anything? ~10 mill is my guess, not really enough to do anything with. Prolly goes to like Jordan or something. Really liked the idea of signing two guys and keeping all the assets, but im ok either way. AD is one of the top 5 players in the league and if you are pairing him with a KD or Kawhi then you are in great shape.
sorta related, but as the cap rises and max salaries reach absurd levels ($40-$50 million), I think you'll see guys start taking less than the max but still get crazy money, e.g. a guy like Durant can get something like 3/120 from a new team this summer. Maybe he takes 3/100 if that puts him in a better situation. There have been some previous examples of guys taking less than the max, but it's possible it becomes more prevalent as the total dollars involved becomes more absurd.
Its always good to temper expectations but until KD signs somewhere besides with NYK, this is very premature. I can tell you the Knicks feel good about their chances with KD but its never been a lock, nothing has been agreed upon behind closed doors or anything like that. They never felt that way about Kyrie. They knew KD wouldnt come alone (hence why when trading KP cap space was a big priority) and they thought (maybe they still do) that Kyrie was a candidate for their other max slot because of his relationship with KD. The Nets are now in a similar boat except its Kyrie they feel good about. Probably more of a certainty than KD to the Knicks but most dont believe KD has any interest in BK and that its still GS or NYK for him. That wont stop the Nets from taking their shot, nor should it but its far more likely they wind up with a Kyrie Butler, Harris or Russell pairing than anything else.
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
Haha its just a coping mechanism I get it! Dare to dream.
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But RJ was definitely sitting with the Knick players (I assume it was the group including Knox that reportedly went to Game 4 with the Knicks assistant coach.)
Maybe the plan is to keep RJ and only use cap space to get help for KD? I think Kyrie was the first option but he kinda went rogue with this BK stuff
FWIW, caveat emptor, etc
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🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.
We've heard rumors to the like, after hearing Mem is sold on Morant (coinciding w/ news on his recent knee scope / clean up fwiw). So IMO it's not shocking at all even if it's less likely
Unless they are much lower on Morant than the field (which we've heard NYK might rate him #2), he's the pick if NO picks RJ. Tho I'd understand a pick of Culver or someone else. Not 100% sure what I'd do in that scenario as I'm not in love w/ Morant in spite of his talents
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🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.
I'm still baffled given all the tampering stuff, but at this point just have to shrug
Rivers gets fined for general Kawhi compliments, while the Cs can be openly "engaged" in trade talks while the season still isn't completed?
At least NYK interest was reported as "...will push hard for Kawhi on 6/30/19"
Brain fart. Clearly different!
22m22 minutes ago
Interesting insight from Chris Carter this morning on @FTFonFS1.
Carter, who is very close w/ Kawhi Leonard and his camp, said that:
"I believe the Knicks have a shot to land Kawhi and KD." And added that Kawhi and Durant teaming up in New York is a "real possibility."
@TommyBeer
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Carter also reported this morning that the Spurs were NOT willing to offer Kawhi Leonard a max contract - which is part of the reason why Kawhi wanted to leave San Antonio.
Strikeout machine, thanks for clarifying.
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Carter's remarks are restrained. Only says he "wouldn't be surprised" if Kawhi went to Knicks, as a third possibility if he didn't go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto.
The other talking head then says that Knicks are one of three possible destinations but a clear third place behind Clippers and Raptors. Carter nods at that remark.
Maybe they return to the subject later and CC says more but I haven't listened that far and don't think it changes the bottom line.
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Those are strong connections.
Given the NBA landscape and quality level of the top teams now many times you need at least a trio of superstars/borderline stars to make it to the finals.
With Kawhi and KD both elite 5 tool do it all players you could possibly make the finals out of the East with just a half decent cast around them. I'm not saying low quality players but role players that excel in certain areas and some ring chasers.
You add Barrett to that mix with DeAndre, Mitch, Trier and then add a couple vets.
My preferred route would be to add AD too but we are going to see some heavy competition for him.
I'm 100pct on board with Barrett
definitely good sign for the raptors, the best bet for knicks is still KD
What a crazy offseason this could be.... Not just the Knicks but league wide. I still think KD is likely for us but I don't really know what will happen here or anywhere else.
I'm not sure why this would make other free agents upset but if true it would explain why we've now heard Kyrie to Brooklyn and Kemba isn't likely an option for the Knicks if he leaves Charlotte. I find it encouraging personally but the Knicks have read tea leaves wrong before so grain of salt...
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sounds if it is lakers or knicks the deal will be done before the draft..
Also Woj mentioned knicks would do the deal to pair with kd not to form a big 3
Thanks for posting. Looks like this is going to be done prior to the draft, so we can forget the Dream Team scenario of KD, AD and Kyrie, which was a one-in-a-million shot under the best of circumstances. It sure would be nice to have Anthony Davis seated at the table when KD/Kawhi arrive for their visits.
which is weird because according to woj boston was not one of the teams who reached out, unless i missed it
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
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All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
woj says they are flexible and that is why pelicans are looking for multiple teams
Lol yep and in return Woj will get to break the news when the trade is agreed upon.
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All-Star player, young potential All-Star, and two first round picks. They want to compete right away with Holiday and Zion, which is wise.
Seems like an ask for the moon type deal that no one will actually meet. Boston for example would need to trade Tatum, Brown and two firsts and they're the only team that could meet their price. Then though they'd have nothing left in the coffers and wouldn't have the roster to compete this upcoming year so I have a hard time believing they'll make that deal with a decent likelihood AD just walks in a year anyways.
Mitch, RJ Barrett and both Dallas picks certainly come close to that offer. The only thing not in that offering is an fully established and proven all star. But it pretty much everything else that they are looking for.
It all depends on how much we are willing to give up because our offer could be right up there if not the best (sans Boston who AD doesn't want to play for).
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sounds if it is lakers or knicks the deal will be done before the draft..
Also Woj mentioned knicks would do the deal to pair with kd not to form a big 3
I hope if we punt on AD it's because we have an inside track on Kawhi or the very least another 2nd max while keeping RJ Barrett. If you get Kawhi and KD and keep Barrett and Mitch that is certainly a better alternative to AD and KD while losing Mitch and RJ Barrett
If that is the clear case then getting Kawhi is the ideal scenario by far because of the assets it will cost to get AD. And the drop after Kawhi is pretty big on the other potential 2nd maxes.
Can we convince Kawhi that KD, RJ Barrett, Mitch, DeAndre and Trier, DSJ, Knox would be the best team to join next year?
Jordan/Mitch
KD/Vet/Mitch/Knox
Kawhi/KD/Knox
RJ Barrett/Dotson/Trier
DSJ/Allen/Frank
Too much youth? There is some D 1-5 on that squad, plenty of scorers too.
Love AD but yeah it will take a lot more creativity if we go that route.
But if its only 2 but not 3. I'd rather get Kawhi and KD and keep a guy like Barrett and Mitch. For all 3 I'd go the Miami route and sell the farm and go with vet mins and ring chasers
sorta related, but as the cap rises and max salaries reach absurd levels ($40-$50 million), I think you'll see guys start taking less than the max but still get crazy money, e.g. a guy like Durant can get something like 3/120 from a new team this summer. Maybe he takes 3/100 if that puts him in a better situation. There have been some previous examples of guys taking less than the max, but it's possible it becomes more prevalent as the total dollars involved becomes more absurd.
@ChrisIseman
RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
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