If Brooklyn lands Kyrie I wonder if they let Russell walk. I would love for the Knicks to make a run at him if they miss out on the "top" guys. He is still only 23 so would match up well with the youth movement, my only worry is how well him and Barrett fit together as they are both ball dominant players.
Actually, neither is a ball-dominant player. D-Lo's main weakness is his unwillingness to attack the rim, he will pass it off if he doesn't have a shot. And Barrett was only ball-dominant when Zion was out of the line-up, out of necessity. Both can play effectively off the ball.
Wait what? Russell has the 6th highest usage rate in the league at just over 31%, Barrett’s was actually higher than that at 32%. How are those not ball dominant players?
but the Knicks are promoting the hell out of the Vegas Summer League in July, specifically offering a trip out there to see "the #3 pick, Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson and Allonzo Trier." It's been all over MSG Network and social media, and the opportunity to see the #3 pick is emphasized. May mean nothing, but it would be odd to do that if the pick was ticketed for New Orleans.
Who plays point? Onion Jaramaz? Haha
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I think many here don't realize just how good this kid is because hes played on a bunch of bad teams. He had a couple good players but nothing like a Miami big 3 around him. KD and/or Kyrie/Kemba would be the best cast that he has ever had should the Knicks be successful in getting all 3.
but the Knicks are promoting the hell out of the Vegas Summer League in July, specifically offering a trip out there to see "the #3 pick, Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson and Allonzo Trier." It's been all over MSG Network and social media, and the opportunity to see the #3 pick is emphasized. May mean nothing, but it would be odd to do that if the pick was ticketed for New Orleans.
eh, the ratings probably dropped off this past season compared to previous years. The marketing department is probably just trying to drum up interest however they can.
Stephen A is an entertainer, not a reporter. Until Woj or Shams reports anything, I don't believe it. Jalen Rose was actually a better source with this ties to Roc Nation.
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RJB is a heck of a talent. And if it were a player a tier below AD in terms of a guy you can build with I would keep RJ. But many folks arent really embracing just how good AD is. His production is top 3 PER all time right now. Top 3. All time. Its ridiculous how good AD is. He is better all around than Carmelo was. Do a trade a promising yet unproven rookie for that plus other things ? You bet I do.
Well obviously. But why do people keep saying that when it's not a straight up trade? It's not one of RJ or KK or MR, it's all of them plus more, for a rental
I think many do get how good he is, but we're not talking about a 1 for 1. It's funny, most of the points expressed in this thread are accurate individually, but seem to ignore the overall picture
Also Melo in this convo is odd. The relevant comparison is gutting the team for a trade. Not comparing Melo vs AD on the court, which AD is obviously better
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RJB is a heck of a talent. And if it were a player a tier below AD in terms of a guy you can build with I would keep RJ. But many folks arent really embracing just how good AD is. His production is top 3 PER all time right now. Top 3. All time. Its ridiculous how good AD is. He is better all around than Carmelo was. Do a trade a promising yet unproven rookie for that plus other things ? You bet I do.
Well obviously. But why do people keep saying that when it's not a straight up trade? It's not one of RJ or KK or MR, it's all of them plus more, for a rental
The whole point would be that AD would be extended
Right...which we can't know until after the trade Â
if not after next season, based on his remarks (correct me if im wrong on that)
Still maintains the huge risk of trading a ton and losing AD the in a year. That too, knowing it's the good 'ole NYKs FO - w/ Scott Perry 'being different than the past' aside
I get taking a risk even so, but most are ignoring that as if it's some definitive (even if he SAYS "for sure I'm extending" which is of course not the case)
Yet you see many pro-trade arguments that are 1 line (paraphrased) Â
to think it is, especially in the nba. First off, I'm not sure how anybody could have watched last season and think that any of the current Knicks are going to develop into superstars. Will some turn out to be pretty good? Sure. Will any be superstars? I'd really be surprised.
Second, it seems to me that more often than not a young nba player will show promise, their team will lock them into a high price second contract and then that player will stop progressing and plateau at their current level. This is how teams like the Wizards, Hornets and others get locked into mediocrity.
The Knicks may have run into this issue with KP if they didn't trade him this year. Sure, KP may have developed into a star, but if he didn't, the Knicks would have lost most of their cap flexibility on a gamble. I personally believe that the Knicks letting the kids grow and giving them big second contracts is just as big, if not a bigger gamble than trading them for AD. Just my opinion.
if AD signs and extension you do what it takes to trade for him if he doesn't it's not on the table really unless you can get it done without #3 or Mitchell Robinson.
Either of those assets is too large for someone that pretty clearly loves LA and might bolt even if he is playing with Durant and Kyrie too.
but there just inst a thing you dont trade to get anthony davis if you are getting durant already.
that is 2 hands down no questions asked top 5 players in the league.
Anthony Davis is a STUD. hes is young. he will resign in NY. he has 5 prime years left-- there wont be 1 year of regret on his max like u see with CP3 and such.
yes of course you try to trade as little as possible to get him.... but if the price goes up, you have to match it if you have the assets.
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Not really breaking news. However, SAS said KD has zero interest in the Nets, so it's either the Knicks, return to GS, or the Clippers as the least likely option.
having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
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having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
For KD at the $38m max yes they would have shed. But they had enough room to afford the $32.7m max for all the other top guys by just renouncing RHJ's QO and waiving their non-gtd contracts.
This has me worried as a Knicks fan. There are only so many max FAs out there and someones going to get shut out. They gave up a lot to get rid of Crabbe. Highly doubtful they do that without knowing they have something lined up. And I know someone who works for the Nets who has been pretty adamant that Russell is not returning...
I still believe Durant's plan is to sign with the Knicks. But things could break badly here and the Knicks are shutout...
having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
For KD at the $38m max yes they would have shed. But they had enough room to afford the $32.7m max for all the other top guys by just renouncing RHJ's QO and waiving their non-gtd contracts.
they had 28 million in space with russrlls hold before crabbe deal
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If Brooklyn lands Kyrie I wonder if they let Russell walk. I would love for the Knicks to make a run at him if they miss out on the "top" guys. He is still only 23 so would match up well with the youth movement, my only worry is how well him and Barrett fit together as they are both ball dominant players.
Actually, neither is a ball-dominant player. D-Lo's main weakness is his unwillingness to attack the rim, he will pass it off if he doesn't have a shot. And Barrett was only ball-dominant when Zion was out of the line-up, out of necessity. Both can play effectively off the ball.
Wait what? Russell has the 6th highest usage rate in the league at just over 31%, Barrett’s was actually higher than that at 32%. How are those not ball dominant players?
Who plays point? Onion Jaramaz? Haha
I think many here don't realize just how good this kid is because hes played on a bunch of bad teams. He had a couple good players but nothing like a Miami big 3 around him. KD and/or Kyrie/Kemba would be the best cast that he has ever had should the Knicks be successful in getting all 3.
eh, the ratings probably dropped off this past season compared to previous years. The marketing department is probably just trying to drum up interest however they can.
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RJB is a heck of a talent. And if it were a player a tier below AD in terms of a guy you can build with I would keep RJ. But many folks arent really embracing just how good AD is. His production is top 3 PER all time right now. Top 3. All time. Its ridiculous how good AD is. He is better all around than Carmelo was. Do a trade a promising yet unproven rookie for that plus other things ? You bet I do.
Well obviously. But why do people keep saying that when it's not a straight up trade? It's not one of RJ or KK or MR, it's all of them plus more, for a rental
I think many do get how good he is, but we're not talking about a 1 for 1. It's funny, most of the points expressed in this thread are accurate individually, but seem to ignore the overall picture
Also Melo in this convo is odd. The relevant comparison is gutting the team for a trade. Not comparing Melo vs AD on the court, which AD is obviously better
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RJB is a heck of a talent. And if it were a player a tier below AD in terms of a guy you can build with I would keep RJ. But many folks arent really embracing just how good AD is. His production is top 3 PER all time right now. Top 3. All time. Its ridiculous how good AD is. He is better all around than Carmelo was. Do a trade a promising yet unproven rookie for that plus other things ? You bet I do.
Well obviously. But why do people keep saying that when it's not a straight up trade? It's not one of RJ or KK or MR, it's all of them plus more, for a rental
The whole point would be that AD would be extended
Still maintains the huge risk of trading a ton and losing AD the in a year. That too, knowing it's the good 'ole NYKs FO - w/ Scott Perry 'being different than the past' aside
I get taking a risk even so, but most are ignoring that as if it's some definitive (even if he SAYS "for sure I'm extending" which is of course not the case)
He's pretty good.
Second, it seems to me that more often than not a young nba player will show promise, their team will lock them into a high price second contract and then that player will stop progressing and plateau at their current level. This is how teams like the Wizards, Hornets and others get locked into mediocrity.
The Knicks may have run into this issue with KP if they didn't trade him this year. Sure, KP may have developed into a star, but if he didn't, the Knicks would have lost most of their cap flexibility on a gamble. I personally believe that the Knicks letting the kids grow and giving them big second contracts is just as big, if not a bigger gamble than trading them for AD. Just my opinion.
Either of those assets is too large for someone that pretty clearly loves LA and might bolt even if he is playing with Durant and Kyrie too.
that is 2 hands down no questions asked top 5 players in the league.
Anthony Davis is a STUD. hes is young. he will resign in NY. he has 5 prime years left-- there wont be 1 year of regret on his max like u see with CP3 and such.
yes of course you try to trade as little as possible to get him.... but if the price goes up, you have to match it if you have the assets.
That was a strange group of players to mention - Kyrie probably wouldn't be caught dead with a couple of them.
The whole point would be that AD would be extended
AD and his agent have stated on numerous occasions he will not sign an extension.
Michael Scotto who is a very reliable source already said the report is false
Must take them out of the AD trade market, no?
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just made a significant trade?
Must take them out of the AD trade market, no?
It's Allen Crabbe and two first rounders (including one in 2019) to the Hawks for Taurean Prince.
Brooklyn can now create 2 max salary slots
I would take Herro with one of those picks. I think he's going to be a better JJ Redick.
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just made a significant trade?
Must take them out of the AD trade market, no?
It's Allen Crabbe and two first rounders (including one in 2019) to the Hawks for Taurean Prince.
Brooklyn can now create 2 max salary slots
that feels like a lot just to shed one year of Crabbe, no? Is prince good defensively or something? Hit stat line is highly unremarkable.
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Beat me lol
Agreed. If that rumored Knicks/Hawks trade was legit (it wasn't), I would've wanted Herro on the Knicks with one of those picks. Need shooting.
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Not really breaking news. However, SAS said KD has zero interest in the Nets, so it's either the Knicks, return to GS, or the Clippers as the least likely option.
If kyrie really headed to nets have to get davis
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
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having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
For KD at the $38m max yes they would have shed. But they had enough room to afford the $32.7m max for all the other top guys by just renouncing RHJ's QO and waiving their non-gtd contracts.
I still believe Durant's plan is to sign with the Knicks. But things could break badly here and the Knicks are shutout...
The prize in FA is Kawhi. Durant is a close 2nd. AD is 3rd even via trade.
Kyrie, Kemba, Klay are a tier below.
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having big things figured out for how he was spending that money. It could very well be Irving + Tobias Harris, or Harris + Horford, or literally any combination of players available, but Marks just dealt off the highest first rd pick he's had since becoming a GM and a 2nd pick to get rid of an expiring contract when he already had cap room for 1 max. The only thing they gain out of this deal is the ability to afford 2 maxes.
He has been anything but Billy King - if he is overpaying out of desperation for cap room there's a reason.
they had to deal crabbe either way to get a max slot next to russell
For KD at the $38m max yes they would have shed. But they had enough room to afford the $32.7m max for all the other top guys by just renouncing RHJ's QO and waiving their non-gtd contracts.
they had 28 million in space with russrlls hold before crabbe deal
they still cant afford kd and kyrie..
they can only afford 2 maxes at 32 million
Also Prince is not a bad player. Seemed to take a bit of a step back last year but that team was awful and he was banged up
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declared KD/Kyrie back to the Nets yet? You know that's coming.
they still cant afford kd and kyrie..
they can only afford 2 maxes at 32 million
Wouldn’t be that hard to clear the rest though.
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declared KD/Kyrie back to the Nets yet? You know that's coming.
they still cant afford kd and kyrie..
they can only afford 2 maxes at 32 million
Wouldn’t be that hard to clear the rest though.
probably have to get rid of harris