Brooklyn also can clear $3.48 million in cap space by waiving the non-guaranteed salaries of Napier ($1.84 million) and Graham ($1.64 million) for next season. Doing so would give Brooklyn $32.18 million in cap space.
With the Crabbe deal, they've now supposedly got $46m free according to an article Woj just posted - which would make sense since the net of Crabbe's 18.5m and Green's 2.5m should have saved them $16m. I assume Woj's number includes the non-guaranteed guys still on the roster.
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Boston guard Kyrie Irving -- who is expected to become a free agent -- and Brooklyn have a strong mutual interest, league sources told ESPN. The Nets have $46 million in salary-cap space to sign two maximum-contract free agents, which would include Brooklyn's dream scenario of luring Irving and Golden State's Kevin Durant to the franchise, league sources said.
It wouldnt be hard for the Nets to give away Spencer Dinwiddie or Joe Harris, each on a team friendly deal. There are a dozen teams who would take them.
When we see that move, then you know that the Nets have someone other than Kyrie lined up. This move just ensures they dont have to renounce dlo to sign Kyrie.
if they need to create the last few million they will be able to
there have been rumors about the suns + Dinwiddie for years but even if the 6th overall is far fetched moving him or harris would be pretty easy. Both are on great contracts.
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
It wouldnt be hard for the Nets to give away Spencer Dinwiddie or Joe Harris, each on a team friendly deal. There are a dozen teams who would take them.
When we see that move, then you know that the Nets have someone other than Kyrie lined up. This move just ensures they dont have to renounce dlo to sign Kyrie.
they dont have to make another kove if they want say irivng and harris, but to get durant they will need another move
RE: if they need to create the last few million they will be able to
there have been rumors about the suns + Dinwiddie for years but even if the 6th overall is far fetched moving him or harris would be pretty easy. Both are on great contracts.
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
dont take what i am sayong wrong, i think the nets are signing a max player..
If you want to get deep into a reddit level conspiracy about the trade, apparently Taurean Prince and KD are good friends. I find the real estate and circle of friends stuff hilarious.
they dont have to make another kove if they want say irivng and harris, but to get durant they will need another move
I could see Irving + Harris. I could also see them being interested in Horford since he's very much the type of presence they could use inside and he and Atkinson are close. Honestly there are a lot of ways they could go from here, but I'd be a lot less surprised to see Dinwiddie get dealt for a draft pick than to see Russell renounced. I don't think Marks + Atkinson spent 2 years on that reclamation project to let him go for nothing. I could see them dealing him for AD if that's logistically possible but short of that I don't see them letting Russell go. He's still just 23 years old, an all star, and the poster boy for everything the organization was trying to build from a positive culture standpoint. I question how Irving would fit with him, but I also questioned whether Russell was a true PG when they moved him there and that worked out great so I assume they know what they are doing in that area.
there have been rumors about the suns + Dinwiddie for years but even if the 6th overall is far fetched moving him or harris would be pretty easy. Both are on great contracts.
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
dont take what i am sayong wrong, i think the nets are signing a max player..
So the Knicks make all these moves but they will strike out while the nets make a move or two and youre certain they know something the rest of the league doesnt?
I think previous history is clouding your judgment. All Knick moves from all the way 2 years ago front office to head coach to bringing in Royal Ivey, keeping DrAndre a Jordan, opening up 2 maxes were done with this summer FA in mind. And the KD stuff runs really deep. Look nothing is set in stone but I would put KD changing his mind on par with the chances that LeBron could have changed his mind about LA. Just way too many Knick connections that has been listed ad museum here.
I think people are always going to assume the worst, so that's an easy conclusion to jump to.
The truth is probably more simple: Nobody has an under the table deal, nobody has their minds made up yet, and players are more concerned with the final than where they're playing in 2019.
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
I think people are always going to assume the worst, so that's an easy conclusion to jump to.
The truth is probably more simple: Nobody has an under the table deal, nobody has their minds made up yet, and players are more concerned with the final than where they're playing in 2019.
Its probably closer to this than any other theory. I do think that most of these big ticket guys sort of know where they want to be and most might even have a good idea where they will end up but theres uncertainty there too. No one really knows for sure yet. I just like all the assets and maneuverability the Knicks have gained lately. I feel like they are dealing from a position of strength for the first time in decades.
But who the fuck would want to go to the Nets over the Knicks and be the little bitch for the rest of their lives? Jesus pull up your pants and play for the big boy team.
Its always good to temper expectations but until KD signs somewhere besides with NYK, this is very premature. I can tell you the Knicks feel good about their chances with KD but its never been a lock, nothing has been agreed upon behind closed doors or anything like that. They never felt that way about Kyrie. They knew KD wouldnt come alone (hence why when trading KP cap space was a big priority) and they thought (maybe they still do) that Kyrie was a candidate for their other max slot because of his relationship with KD. The Nets are now in a similar boat except its Kyrie they feel good about. Probably more of a certainty than KD to the Knicks but most dont believe KD has any interest in BK and that its still GS or NYK for him. That wont stop the Nets from taking their shot, nor should it but its far more likely they wind up with a Kyrie Butler, Harris or Russell pairing than anything else.
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
Haha its just a coping mechanism I get it! Dare to dream.
on flight this evening from West Coast to NY. Story is these were the Knicks players who attended the finals game together in Oakland. Barrett will be working out for Knicks this week in NY.
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A friend is headed back from the west coast and is on a plane with some Knicks and R.J. sitting together. He said apparently they were talking about how good the pitch to KD went.
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Thats quite the tidbit. What is RJ doing with the Knicks on a plane? And why are they pitching [KD] in the middle of the Finals?
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yeah hes a casual fan, so idk what to read into that.
But RJ was definitely sitting with the Knick players (I assume it was the group including Knox that reportedly went to Game 4 with the Knicks assistant coach.)
Maybe the plan is to keep RJ and only use cap space to get help for KD? I think Kyrie was the first option but he kinda went rogue with this BK stuff
Not sure who else. I guess they could've snuck in a meeting with Durant - nothing in the rules prevents players from chatting, and KD hasn't had much to do lately.
We've heard rumors to the like, after hearing Mem is sold on Morant (coinciding w/ news on his recent knee scope / clean up fwiw). So IMO it's not shocking at all even if it's less likely
Unless they are much lower on Morant than the field (which we've heard NYK might rate him #2), he's the pick if NO picks RJ. Tho I'd understand a pick of Culver or someone else. Not 100% sure what I'd do in that scenario as I'm not in love w/ Morant in spite of his talents
i mean how much better is Clint then horford? Does he put them over the top? Do you pay them both at the same time? Or do they think that Al isnt exercising his PO. WOuld be a bit risky on his part as he is set to earn 30 mill next season.
@TommyBeer
22m22 minutes ago
Interesting insight from Chris Carter this morning on @FTFonFS1.
Carter, who is very close w/ Kawhi Leonard and his camp, said that:
"I believe the Knicks have a shot to land Kawhi and KD." And added that Kawhi and Durant teaming up in New York is a "real possibility."
@TommyBeer
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Carter also reported this morning that the Spurs were NOT willing to offer Kawhi Leonard a max contract - which is part of the reason why Kawhi wanted to leave San Antonio.
Comments about Kawhi and the Knicks at the beginning.
Carter's remarks are restrained. Only says he "wouldn't be surprised" if Kawhi went to Knicks, as a third possibility if he didn't go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto.
The other talking head then says that Knicks are one of three possible destinations but a clear third place behind Clippers and Raptors. Carter nods at that remark.
Maybe they return to the subject later and CC says more but I haven't listened that far and don't think it changes the bottom line. ftf - ( New Window )
The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Those are strong connections.
Given the NBA landscape and quality level of the top teams now many times you need at least a trio of superstars/borderline stars to make it to the finals.
With Kawhi and KD both elite 5 tool do it all players you could possibly make the finals out of the East with just a half decent cast around them. I'm not saying low quality players but role players that excel in certain areas and some ring chasers.
You add Barrett to that mix with DeAndre, Mitch, Trier and then add a couple vets.
My preferred route would be to add AD too but we are going to see some heavy competition for him.
Barrett hasn't met with any teams since the combine
also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.
also implied he is in fact looking to buy property in Toronto. A man that rich can have multiple abodes but you would think it's a good sign for Raptors fans.
definitely good sign for the raptors, the best bet for knicks is still KD
but Tommy Beer seems to think he might have some insight.
What a crazy offseason this could be.... Not just the Knicks but league wide. I still think KD is likely for us but I don't really know what will happen here or anywhere else.
I can't wait for tonight's game - Raptors are rolling and the crowd will be insane, but I expect a championship effort from Golden State, and a Durant appearance. High drama. And if Golden State someone guts out a win, look out.
article in The Athletic on Friday by Joe Varden about the finals, this nugget was snuck in:
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In last years Finals, it looked and sounded and felt like LeBron was about to leave Cleveland. He did. The Warriors have all but openly embraced that this is Durants last season here. The smoke around Durant and the Knicks is so thick, sources said, other free agents are upset with how brazen New York has been with its confidence in attracting him as though a deal is already done. Durant, for what its worth, has refuted the last part.
I'm not sure why this would make other free agents upset but if true it would explain why we've now heard Kyrie to Brooklyn and Kemba isn't likely an option for the Knicks if he leaves Charlotte. I find it encouraging personally but the Knicks have read tea leaves wrong before so grain of salt... Link - ( New Window )
With the Crabbe deal, they've now supposedly got $46m free according to an article Woj just posted - which would make sense since the net of Crabbe's 18.5m and Green's 2.5m should have saved them $16m. I assume Woj's number includes the non-guaranteed guys still on the roster.
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what is 32 plus 38?
When we see that move, then you know that the Nets have someone other than Kyrie lined up. This move just ensures they dont have to renounce dlo to sign Kyrie.
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
When we see that move, then you know that the Nets have someone other than Kyrie lined up. This move just ensures they dont have to renounce dlo to sign Kyrie.
they dont have to make another kove if they want say irivng and harris, but to get durant they will need another move
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
dont take what i am sayong wrong, i think the nets are signing a max player..
they dont have to make another kove if they want say irivng and harris, but to get durant they will need another move
I could see Irving + Harris. I could also see them being interested in Horford since he's very much the type of presence they could use inside and he and Atkinson are close. Honestly there are a lot of ways they could go from here, but I'd be a lot less surprised to see Dinwiddie get dealt for a draft pick than to see Russell renounced. I don't think Marks + Atkinson spent 2 years on that reclamation project to let him go for nothing. I could see them dealing him for AD if that's logistically possible but short of that I don't see them letting Russell go. He's still just 23 years old, an all star, and the poster boy for everything the organization was trying to build from a positive culture standpoint. I question how Irving would fit with him, but I also questioned whether Russell was a true PG when they moved him there and that worked out great so I assume they know what they are doing in that area.
Good to hear that Billy King is still locked out of the building,
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there have been rumors about the suns + Dinwiddie for years but even if the 6th overall is far fetched moving him or harris would be pretty easy. Both are on great contracts.
I'm not trying to predict who they are going to specifically sign - i'd be shocked if they renounce Russell. Extremely shocked.
All I'm saying is Marks just paid a really high price to gain cap room. I don't think he did that on whim, that's just not his style. Nor is giving away draft picks.
dont take what i am sayong wrong, i think the nets are signing a max player..
So the Knicks make all these moves but they will strike out while the nets make a move or two and youre certain they know something the rest of the league doesnt?
I think previous history is clouding your judgment. All Knick moves from all the way 2 years ago front office to head coach to bringing in Royal Ivey, keeping DrAndre a Jordan, opening up 2 maxes were done with this summer FA in mind. And the KD stuff runs really deep. Look nothing is set in stone but I would put KD changing his mind on par with the chances that LeBron could have changed his mind about LA. Just way too many Knick connections that has been listed ad museum here.
I think people are always going to assume the worst, so that's an easy conclusion to jump to.
The truth is probably more simple: Nobody has an under the table deal, nobody has their minds made up yet, and players are more concerned with the final than where they're playing in 2019.
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..
I think people are always going to assume the worst, so that's an easy conclusion to jump to.
The truth is probably more simple: Nobody has an under the table deal, nobody has their minds made up yet, and players are more concerned with the final than where they're playing in 2019.
Its probably closer to this than any other theory. I do think that most of these big ticket guys sort of know where they want to be and most might even have a good idea where they will end up but theres uncertainty there too. No one really knows for sure yet. I just like all the assets and maneuverability the Knicks have gained lately. I feel like they are dealing from a position of strength for the first time in decades.
Its always good to temper expectations but until KD signs somewhere besides with NYK, this is very premature. I can tell you the Knicks feel good about their chances with KD but its never been a lock, nothing has been agreed upon behind closed doors or anything like that. They never felt that way about Kyrie. They knew KD wouldnt come alone (hence why when trading KP cap space was a big priority) and they thought (maybe they still do) that Kyrie was a candidate for their other max slot because of his relationship with KD. The Nets are now in a similar boat except its Kyrie they feel good about. Probably more of a certainty than KD to the Knicks but most dont believe KD has any interest in BK and that its still GS or NYK for him. That wont stop the Nets from taking their shot, nor should it but its far more likely they wind up with a Kyrie Butler, Harris or Russell pairing than anything else.
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It is feeling like the knicks got duped..
We will see but we should be fine no matter what happens. I cant help but be a little hopeful or optimistic I guess Im Charlie Brown to Lucy but we should be able to get something done this offseason. Theres ammo here now. Lots of it.
i am being a big baby about it, just tired of being dissapointed as a knicks fan
Haha its just a coping mechanism I get it! Dare to dream.
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But RJ was definitely sitting with the Knick players (I assume it was the group including Knox that reportedly went to Game 4 with the Knicks assistant coach.)
Maybe the plan is to keep RJ and only use cap space to get help for KD? I think Kyrie was the first option but he kinda went rogue with this BK stuff
FWIW, caveat emptor, etc
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@NBCSBoston
🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.
We've heard rumors to the like, after hearing Mem is sold on Morant (coinciding w/ news on his recent knee scope / clean up fwiw). So IMO it's not shocking at all even if it's less likely
Unless they are much lower on Morant than the field (which we've heard NYK might rate him #2), he's the pick if NO picks RJ. Tho I'd understand a pick of Culver or someone else. Not 100% sure what I'd do in that scenario as I'm not in love w/ Morant in spite of his talents
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@NBCSBoston
🏀 The #Celtics are rumored to be "engaged pretty seriously" in trade talks surrounding Rockets center, Clint Capela.
I'm still baffled given all the tampering stuff, but at this point just have to shrug
Rivers gets fined for general Kawhi compliments, while the Cs can be openly "engaged" in trade talks while the season still isn't completed?
At least NYK interest was reported as "...will push hard for Kawhi on 6/30/19"
Brain fart. Clearly different!
22m22 minutes ago
Interesting insight from Chris Carter this morning on @FTFonFS1.
Carter, who is very close w/ Kawhi Leonard and his camp, said that:
"I believe the Knicks have a shot to land Kawhi and KD." And added that Kawhi and Durant teaming up in New York is a "real possibility."
@TommyBeer
20m20 minutes ago
Carter also reported this morning that the Spurs were NOT willing to offer Kawhi Leonard a max contract - which is part of the reason why Kawhi wanted to leave San Antonio.
Strikeout machine, thanks for clarifying.
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Carter's remarks are restrained. Only says he "wouldn't be surprised" if Kawhi went to Knicks, as a third possibility if he didn't go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto.
The other talking head then says that Knicks are one of three possible destinations but a clear third place behind Clippers and Raptors. Carter nods at that remark.
Maybe they return to the subject later and CC says more but I haven't listened that far and don't think it changes the bottom line.
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The strikeout machine Chris Carter? Or are we talking about Cris Carter?
football chris carter, he is very close to Kawhi's uncle and i believe his brother is part of Kawhi's "team"
Those are strong connections.
Given the NBA landscape and quality level of the top teams now many times you need at least a trio of superstars/borderline stars to make it to the finals.
With Kawhi and KD both elite 5 tool do it all players you could possibly make the finals out of the East with just a half decent cast around them. I'm not saying low quality players but role players that excel in certain areas and some ring chasers.
You add Barrett to that mix with DeAndre, Mitch, Trier and then add a couple vets.
My preferred route would be to add AD too but we are going to see some heavy competition for him.
I'm 100pct on board with Barrett
definitely good sign for the raptors, the best bet for knicks is still KD
What a crazy offseason this could be.... Not just the Knicks but league wide. I still think KD is likely for us but I don't really know what will happen here or anywhere else.
I'm not sure why this would make other free agents upset but if true it would explain why we've now heard Kyrie to Brooklyn and Kemba isn't likely an option for the Knicks if he leaves Charlotte. I find it encouraging personally but the Knicks have read tea leaves wrong before so grain of salt...
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