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Anyone else have a feeling Conrad is going to

eric2425ny : 6/5/2019 9:51 pm
be really good? I keep hearing his name in every report I read. Sounds like he was supposed to be a 3-5 round pick if it wasn’t for a now cleared heart condition.
Someone today compared him to George Kittlle  
flycatcher : 6/5/2019 10:21 pm : link
I know, I know, it’s way early, etc., but it’s cool to hear he’s looking good regardless.
RE: Someone today compared him to George Kittlle  
Big Rick in FL : 6/5/2019 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14464432 flycatcher said:
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I know, I know, it’s way early, etc., but it’s cool to hear he’s looking good regardless.


It was from his former teammate and said he wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a George Kittle type player. Wasn't an exact comparison. He was just saying they were somewhat similar.
Kittle put up some spectacular combine numbers  
shyster : 6/5/2019 10:56 pm : link
4.52 40 yd. Eleven foot broad jump.

Conrad isn't that class of an athlete. 4.77 at pro day, and pro day times usually run a tenth faster than the combine. Nine and a half foot broad jump.

Conrad has enough athleticism to be effective, and we can all hope, but I wouldn't jump to the Kittle comparison based on the superficial.
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Could see giants  
V.I.G. : 6/5/2019 11:12 pm : link
Trading/releasing Rhett
i called him a poor man's Hockenson on reddit  
Platos : 6/5/2019 11:12 pm : link
and some guy got pissy with me saying "sure but not as good at everything like hockenson" which in my eyes means... a poor man's version lol

but then when i compared measurables they actually scored very close.

here's hoping he's the TE of the giants future.
RE: Kittle put up some spectacular combine numbers  
Big Rick in FL : 6/5/2019 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14464458 shyster said:
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4.52 40 yd. Eleven foot broad jump.

Conrad isn't that class of an athlete. 4.77 at pro day, and pro day times usually run a tenth faster than the combine. Nine and a half foot broad jump.

Conrad has enough athleticism to be effective, and we can all hope, but I wouldn't jump to the Kittle comparison based on the superficial. ajc - ( New Window )


That comparison was from his former teammate and Bucs 3rd round pick Mike Edwards who played against him every day.

Also do to his health scare at the combine and waiting for tests he wasn't really able to fully train for his Pro Day (He missed Kentucky's Pro Day due to the health concerns)
I'd like to think that, but . . . .  
TC : 6/5/2019 11:57 pm : link
every off-season there's someone who looks great in practice, and then is never heard of again.

The other problem is who are the Giants going to cut to make room for him? Engram, Ellison or Simonson, all of whom have been productive when given touches and have NFL experience.

His best shot might be PS.
I have been watching everything I can find on the kid  
lono801 : 6/5/2019 11:59 pm : link
He is a very interesting prospect and he definitely has hands

He loves ketchup...

RE: I'd like to think that, but . . . .  
Big Rick in FL : 6/6/2019 12:01 am : link
In comment 14464496 TC said:
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every off-season there's someone who looks great in practice, and then is never heard of again.

The other problem is who are the Giants going to cut to make room for him? Engram, Ellison or Simonson, all of whom have been productive when given touches and have NFL experience.

His best shot might be PS.


Scott Simonson isn't keeping anybody off the roster. He's literally the definition of journeyman. He's been on 3 teams in 4 years and has a grand total of 96 receiving yards with 1 TD.
Where he's going to earn his money ...  
Manny in CA : 6/6/2019 12:52 am : link

Is to be the one of the very best blocker on the team, everything else is gravy.
RE: I'd like to think that, but . . . .  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2019 1:53 am : link
In comment 14464496 TC said:
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every off-season there's someone who looks great in practice, and then is never heard of again.

The other problem is who are the Giants going to cut to make room for him? Engram, Ellison or Simonson, all of whom have been productive when given touches and have NFL experience.

His best shot might be PS.


Simonson sucks. He cane be easily cut without any worry of who will replace him.
I think the Giants may hsve hit the jackpot with this kid.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2019 1:56 am : link
He's not a scrub.
We’ll see  
mattlawson : 6/6/2019 2:17 am : link
-tc
I put this quote from one observer in another thread.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 6:07 am : link
Here it is again: "Conrad’s blocking ability is a big reason why Benny Snell became the school’s all-time leading rusher."

Considering who his competition is, I'd say he's got a good chance to make the team, even if the Giants decide to keep Ellison. Engram's a lock, but Simonson and Dickerson certainly aren't, not both of them, anyway, and who knows what the Giants are going to do with Dungey?

If Conrad continues to impress, especially when the pads come on and the hitting starts, it's a safe bet that he'll stick.
RE: Could see giants  
SGMen : 6/6/2019 6:23 am : link
In comment 14464466 V.I.G. said:
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Trading/releasing Rhett
I would not be surprised if Rhett were cut at the END of camp. I don't think he can be traded for anything unless it is a multiple player kind of deal or something "crazy" like that.

Rhett wasn't a very effective blocker, by most accounts, and if he doesn't show well in camp and Conrad does, hey, crazier things have happened.
RE: Could see giants  
BillT : 6/6/2019 7:37 am : link
In comment 14464466 V.I.G. said:
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Trading/releasing Rhett

This makes no sense. If Conrad makes the 53 it will be instead of Simonson not Ellison.
I hate getting excited from a few practice reports with shorts  
ZogZerg : 6/6/2019 7:47 am : link
But, YES, I have a feeling this kid is going to end up being a really good addition to the team. I think he makes the final 53 coming out of camp (assuming healthy, etc.). There has been a lot of positive reports on him, and not just football related.
RE: RE: Could see giants  
Capt. Don : 6/6/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14464543 BillT said:
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In comment 14464466 V.I.G. said:


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Trading/releasing Rhett


This makes no sense. If Conrad makes the 53 it will be instead of Simonson not Ellison.


Exactly. I also think Shurmur likes Ellison more than others.

However, if Conrad plays well and seems like a decent replacement for Ellison; the Giants could save $5M by releasing him in 2020.

But this year? No way.
RE: I put this quote from one observer in another thread.  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/6/2019 8:16 am : link
In comment 14464518 Klaatu said:
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Here it is again: "Conrad’s blocking ability is a big reason why Benny Snell became the school’s all-time leading rusher."

Considering who his competition is, I'd say he's got a good chance to make the team, even if the Giants decide to keep Ellison. Engram's a lock, but Simonson and Dickerson certainly aren't, not both of them, anyway, and who knows what the Giants are going to do with Dungey?

If Conrad continues to impress, especially when the pads come on and the hitting starts, it's a safe bet that he'll stick.


I don't believe that Engram is a lock
I too have the feeling that Conrad is going to  
Milton : 6/6/2019 8:25 am : link
I've felt that way for awhile now.
RE: RE: I put this quote from one observer in another thread.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14464563 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14464518 Klaatu said:


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Here it is again: "Conrad’s blocking ability is a big reason why Benny Snell became the school’s all-time leading rusher."

Considering who his competition is, I'd say he's got a good chance to make the team, even if the Giants decide to keep Ellison. Engram's a lock, but Simonson and Dickerson certainly aren't, not both of them, anyway, and who knows what the Giants are going to do with Dungey?

If Conrad continues to impress, especially when the pads come on and the hitting starts, it's a safe bet that he'll stick.



I don't believe that Engram is a lock


Ok. LOL.
RE: RE: I put this quote from one observer in another thread.  
YAJ2112 : 6/6/2019 8:31 am : link
In comment 14464563 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14464518 Klaatu said:


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Here it is again: "Conrad’s blocking ability is a big reason why Benny Snell became the school’s all-time leading rusher."

Considering who his competition is, I'd say he's got a good chance to make the team, even if the Giants decide to keep Ellison. Engram's a lock, but Simonson and Dickerson certainly aren't, not both of them, anyway, and who knows what the Giants are going to do with Dungey?

If Conrad continues to impress, especially when the pads come on and the hitting starts, it's a safe bet that he'll stick.



I don't believe that Engram is a lock


Meaning you think there is a chance he gets traded? Or a chance he gets cut?
Maybe Conrad..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/6/2019 8:53 am : link
will be running routes next to Anthony Dable and Darius Powe in the Preseason HoF League......
End of last year...  
HoustonGiant : 6/6/2019 8:58 am : link
the offense seemed to find more and more ways to get EE the ball and let him use his speed.

That said, getting a TE that's a good blocker is what we need in a #2.

Speed, broad jumps, etc. don't matter in that 2 yard radius.
RE: RE: Could see giants  
V.I.G. : 6/6/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14464543 BillT said:
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Trading/releasing Rhett


This makes no sense. If Conrad makes the 53 it will be instead of Simonson not Ellison.


stranger things have happened in a salary cap world... no?
-what say they want to extend engram like they did shephard? -what if someone interesting is cut from another camp?
-what if we have a major injury and have to trade for a contract?

i'm just saying I could see it happening
Sometimes speed isn't the most important thing for a receiver or  
Ira : 6/6/2019 9:32 am : link
a tight end. Can he stop suddenly and accelerate out of his cuts? I've read that he's a good blocker, has good hands and is effective in the red zone. We'll see.
RE: I put this quote from one observer in another thread.  
KeoweeFan : 6/6/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14464518 Klaatu said:
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Here it is again: "Conrad’s blocking ability is a big reason why Benny Snell became the school’s all-time leading rusher."

Considering who his competition is, I'd say he's got a good chance to make the team, even if the Giants decide to keep Ellison. Engram's a lock, but Simonson and Dickerson certainly aren't, not both of them, anyway, and who knows what the Giants are going to do with Dungey?

If Conrad continues to impress, especially when the pads come on and the hitting starts, it's a safe bet that he'll stick.


Agreed.
I view Dungey as a wild card; if Shurmur decides to keep him around ("You can always use a player.") his designation may as well be "#53" rather than "TE/QB". That is, I don't think he'll count against a quota for either position.
If Conrad lives up to expectations as a blocker, all he needs is the great hands he showed at UK and enough athleticism to sneak off his block to catch a short pass.
He doesn't have to split the seam like Bavaro.
Dungey..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/6/2019 9:42 am : link
is going to have to really impress to make the team.

He's here to see if there's any value he can bring as a weapon to the offense, but he's going to have to prove he can give a significant edge either as a Taysom Hill type guy or as a really athletic H-Back/TE.

The vast majority of times, those guys are tweeners and just end up being a failed experiment.
Engram is a beast  
NephilimGiants : 6/6/2019 9:49 am : link
Only time he dropped the ball was when it was thrown to high and he would have to take a hit. Last season he decided to go for the catch knowing he was going to take a bad hit then suffered a concession. Eli had 3 WRs injured in one game 2 season ago, id rather Engram let the ball go then be out a ton of games
Hoo boy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/6/2019 9:51 am : link
another bright one.
Eh  
Joey in VA : 6/6/2019 9:53 am : link
I think preseason games are the barometer for him. Taller guys in non contact practices will shine catching the ball, no one can body them up to defend or slow the release much so right now he's tall and can catch.
If Conrad is the as advertised blocker, he will not only make roster  
Bob in Newburgh : 6/6/2019 11:02 am : link
but he will be active every game and start in the base offense. He will not be a 3 down player, as he will come out in passing situations.

Roster jeopardy is probably between the worse blocker Ellison vs. Simonson. If Ellison is not going to see significant pt, he will be a value salary cap dump.

Engram is not competing against any of these guys for a roster spot. His exposure comes from the possibility that Shurmur is too stupid to figure out how to use him, and/or we get a draft choice offer this management group cannot refuse.
RE: Eh  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/6/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14464660 Joey in VA said:
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I think preseason games are the barometer for him. Taller guys in non contact practices will shine catching the ball, no one can body them up to defend or slow the release much so right now he's tall and can catch.

A good takeaway is that he has fly paper hands, at least in the off season so far.
It's Conrad's blocking that will decide his fate, not his receiving.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 11:42 am : link
And, gidiefor, I know what your asshat said prior to the draft about trading Engram, but in my opinion that would be an absolutely asinine move.
Run blocking in the NFL  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 12:02 pm : link
Vs. NFL level, edge, olb, DEs, isn't really the same as the same task is in college.

Typically this time of year, as it was will Ellison, even for some with Evan Engram, fans want to see potential in that

I see 6'4" 248. Which seems light for the task, NFL-wise.
It's not just about size.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 12:14 pm : link
It's about technique and "want to" just as much. How many big guys have we seen at TE who couldn't block for shit?
None  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 12:17 pm : link
Because we haven't had any 260++.

Which might be what it takes of you consider how different the edge rush game is in the NFL.
Conrad is the same size as George Kittle.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 12:24 pm : link
He's two pounds lighter than Zach Ertz. On the other hand, Ellison and Simonson are both 255. Which two would you rather have on your team?
I mean  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 12:25 pm : link
It's vs NFL OLBs and 3/4 or 4/3 DEs and veterans that have technique and power. Some of whom are 255,270,285lbs, or even DTs sometimes

We have players with the weight and a. a on the extended roster right now listed as olb or 3/4 ends.
True  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 12:28 pm : link
But for blocking tight ends who are marginal at speed on pass routes, might as well use bigs for that. Maybe not your #1 tight end, but for short yardage and two te sets.
Conrad is the same size as 1st Round pick Noah Fant.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 12:31 pm : link
He's bigger than Irv Smith, a 2nd Rounder. You don't just plug in height and weight and figure you've got your guy.
And yet Noah fant is not a good  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 12:55 pm : link
In line blocker.

Or especially not an in line run blocker who creates space or even walls off legit NFL edgers much less DL.

He's a decent blocker in space. E . E is probably decent in space blocker, so are some WRs
Thinking more like Adam Shaheen who is  
idiotsavant : 6/6/2019 1:06 pm : link
Like 6'5" 280 or so.

And improved at run blocking while having some ability as a receiver, especially within a play action context
Josh Oliver (3rd) ia 6-5, 250.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 1:14 pm : link
A good blocker only slightly bigger than Conrad. And it's not like Conrad couldn't put on 5-7 pounds with ease. Jace Sternberger (4th) is 6-4, 251. Would I have preferred Kahale Warring? Absolutely, but you can't have everything.

Adam Shaheen blows, and he's proving to be injury prone (maybe it wasn't just "a lot of burritos" that helped him to put on 70 pounds in college).
Kyle Rudolph is 6-6, 265...  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 1:16 pm : link
And the next good block he makes will be his first.
Lots of happy speculation about a guy who hasn't played in pads  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/6/2019 2:12 pm : link
yet in an NFL practice, let alone game. Pretty much agree with all Klaatu wrote above: it's his blocking that will enable him to make the 53 or not. It's that simple. His "fly paper" hands are the bonus that will get him red zone 2 TE set snaps.

But if he's not as advertised as an NFL blocker he won't even make the roster, and will be scratching for a PS spot.

He could be the next Greg Ballard, who IIRC spent a year on the PS and started his next year, playing well and making a few crucial grabs on an SB team. I'd be more than thrilled with that from Conrad.
RE: Lots of happy speculation about a guy who hasn't played in pads  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14465012 BlueLou'sBack said:
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yet in an NFL practice, let alone game. Pretty much agree with all Klaatu wrote above: it's his blocking that will enable him to make the 53 or not. It's that simple. His "fly paper" hands are the bonus that will get him red zone 2 TE set snaps.

But if he's not as advertised as an NFL blocker he won't even make the roster, and will be scratching for a PS spot.

He could be the next Greg Ballard, who IIRC spent a year on the PS and started his next year, playing well and making a few crucial grabs on an SB team. I'd be more than thrilled with that from Conrad.


Oh, man, how quickly they forget.

The Ballad of Jake Ballard
RE: Lots of happy speculation about a guy who hasn't played in pads  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14465012 BlueLou'sBack said:
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yet in an NFL practice, let alone game. Pretty much agree with all Klaatu wrote above: it's his blocking that will enable him to make the 53 or not. It's that simple. His "fly paper" hands are the bonus that will get him red zone 2 TE set snaps.

But if he's not as advertised as an NFL blocker he won't even make the roster, and will be scratching for a PS spot.

He could be the next Greg Ballard, who IIRC spent a year on the PS and started his next year, playing well and making a few crucial grabs on an SB team. I'd be more than thrilled with that from Conrad.

Klaatu is 100% correct that Conrad's chances of making the team will depend on his blocking ability. While we won't get to see how good he is at blocking until training camp and the preseason we can see on aspect of his game. He has made several good plays as a receiver thus far which was a question mark coming out. He was underutilized in college as a receiver but all the scouting reports state that he was a good blocking TE.

If he truly is a good blocker then he will take Simonson's roster spot because he offers more as a receiver. He won't ever be a pro bowl TE but Conrad could develop into a dependable #2 TE.
RE: Hoo boy..  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/6/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14464658 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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another bright one.

I have a sneaking suspicion this is Peggy reincarnated.
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