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wonderback : 6/6/2019 10:17 am
Not sure who the bigger jerk is here -Beckham or Leonard
Beckham Takes Shot At Eli - ( New Window )
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I think Beckham's comment is an accurate assessment of  
GeofromNJ : 6/6/2019 10:45 am : link
Mayfield vs. Eli, but I think Beckham said it because he really didn't want to be traded to Cleveland, so it's also a dig at the Giants. OBJ would have been more than happy to remain in NY or be traded to CA or FL. But not Cleveland or Detroit, or, you get the point.
RE: You people keep knocking Leonard and Raanan,  
j_rud : 6/6/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14464720 Big Blue '56 said:
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so why the hell do you read them, to complain? I donít read them at all because theyíre awful. How hard is it to ignore the guys you donít like or respect?


I dont seek out their work but will take a look if something is posted here, and i imagine thats the case for most. As for this particular piece, love Beckham or hate him, tje trade and both teams following it will be one of the biggest stories of the year. Its interesting.
RE: RE: RE: It was a compliment  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14464722 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14464691 wonderback said:


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In comment 14464681 Les in TO said:


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Of Mayfield and not a dig at Eli. Fake news.



No it wasn't. You're an idiot if you can't see that. He's obviously implying that Eli doesn't have an arm.

saying Mayfield throws hard in practice is not insulting Eli. Some receivers prefer that QBs take a bit off their fastball in practice situations (see tyree Jackson getting lectured by Steve smith at the combine)


Sorry Les! Nine out of ten people would not have taken that quote to be so innocent. The guy had an acrimonious departure from the Giants and then proceeds to highlight what a great arm this QB has and he's not used to it. Could it have been an innocent comment? I guess it could have, but not likely knowing what we know about Beckham.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It was a compliment  
Les in TO : 6/6/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14464726 wonderback said:
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In comment 14464722 Les in TO said:


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In comment 14464691 wonderback said:


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In comment 14464681 Les in TO said:


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Of Mayfield and not a dig at Eli. Fake news.



No it wasn't. You're an idiot if you can't see that. He's obviously implying that Eli doesn't have an arm.

saying Mayfield throws hard in practice is not insulting Eli. Some receivers prefer that QBs take a bit off their fastball in practice situations (see tyree Jackson getting lectured by Steve smith at the combine)



Sorry Les! Nine out of ten people would not have taken that quote to be so innocent. The guy had an acrimonious departure from the Giants and then proceeds to highlight what a great arm this QB has and he's not used to it. Could it have been an innocent comment? I guess it could have, but not likely knowing what we know about Beckham.
actually if you read the responses in this thread itís closer to 50%
RE: No bias at all  
santacruzom : 6/6/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14464710 HoustonGiant said:
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"the organization chose its diminished 38-year-old quarterback over the transcendent Beckham."

WTF!?


But is Beckham transcendent, and have Eli's skills not diminished?
RE: RE: as predicted  
BMac : 6/6/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14464705 Bill L said:
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In comment 14464697 ron mexico said:


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a complement to baker gets interpreted as an insult to Eli



I wonder if anyone keeps statistics. I would bet that complement/compliment are the most misused words in the English language.


Actually, it's "home in on" (correct) as opposed to "hone in on" (incorrect).
Given Beckhamís history  
joeinpa : 6/6/2019 11:35 am : link
Hard to believe this wasnít a shot at Eli.

Beckham has a problem with authority. Giants give him huge contract, and he still does the Little Wayne thing.

He absolutely knows he was traded because if his attitude and immaturity, he is not use to consequences, if course he will not change his ways or show any humility, beginning with not showing up for their OTA s
Imagine  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 11:42 am : link
If Eli found himself on a new team and when questioned by the press makes the comment, "You know it's great to be on a team where the receivers don't go through histrionics on the sidelines multiple times during a game when things don't go their way. They really behave in a very professional manner"

I guess some of you guys wouldn't see that as a dig against Beckham.
RE: Tell me all 3 of the guys on the right  
Stan in LA : 6/6/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14464723 mittenedman said:
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aren't high out of their mind:



No judgements. I vape myself.

I hear there are some nice boat trips awaiting for them in Lake Eire.
It's a bit of a swipe at Eli.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/6/2019 11:53 am : link
Beckham may not have even meant it that way, but yeah, that's what it is.

So?
Iíll be here to say I told you so  
djm : 6/6/2019 12:05 pm : link
When Beckham doesnít eclipse or even equal the receiving numbers he put up with that sub par QB named Eli Manning now that heís blessed with the best qb ever out there in hump breath Cleveland.

He wonít. Just watch.
Yea, this is nonsense  
Glover : 6/6/2019 12:18 pm : link
Beckham spoke honestly, Mayfield has a better arm than Eli does at this time. What's wrong with being honest? He didnt say Eli is washed up, he just said Mayfield has an arm. You can read into that and think Beckham said "Eli sucks", but thats not what he said. He's on a new team, and he's giving his new QB some props, and being honest in doing so. Leonard is doing his job as a trolling reporter. I dont give a shit. The Browns ARE going to be a good football team this season, and we'll see if the Giants can be competitive.
Why would anyone read an article by Pat Leonard,  
Brown Recluse : 6/6/2019 12:32 pm : link
or Dan Benton for that matter.
Eli Persecution Syndrome  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 12:37 pm : link
EPS for short.

Symptoms include getting riled up by click bait sports writers

RE: Yea, this is nonsense  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/6/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14464843 Glover said:
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Beckham spoke honestly, Mayfield has a better arm than Eli does at this time. What's wrong with being honest? He didnt say Eli is washed up, he just said Mayfield has an arm. You can read into that and think Beckham said "Eli sucks", but thats not what he said.


Bingo.
RE: Yea, this is nonsense  
81_Great_Dane : 6/6/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14464843 Glover said:
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Beckham spoke honestly, Mayfield has a better arm than Eli does at this time. What's wrong with being honest? He didnt say Eli is washed up, he just said Mayfield has an arm. You can read into that and think Beckham said "Eli sucks", but thats not what he said. He's on a new team, and he's giving his new QB some props, and being honest in doing so. Leonard is doing his job as a trolling reporter. I dont give a shit. The Browns ARE going to be a good football team this season, and we'll see if the Giants can be competitive.
Agree.
RE: Eli Persecution Syndrome  
Les in TO : 6/6/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14464888 ron mexico said:
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EPS for short.

Symptoms include getting riled up by click bait sports writers
this disease is concentrated in individuals with the EliFanboy gene mutation
If you don't think there is an agenda here  
Reb8thVA : 6/6/2019 2:19 pm : link
answer why is a Giants beat writer reporting on the Cleveland Browns?

The bigger question is why this crap passes for journalism
RE: If you don't think there is an agenda here  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14465031 Reb8thVA said:
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answer why is a Giants beat writer reporting on the Cleveland Browns?

The bigger question is why this crap passes for journalism


he got the op engaged and clicking, that was his goal




The Giants made their decision about their future  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/6/2019 2:31 pm : link
Both in terms if OBJ, and the QB position. None of this means much now.
I never read anything by Leonard.  
Klaatu : 6/6/2019 2:32 pm : link
He reminds me of Col. Green, from the Star Trek:TOS episode, "The Savage Curtain."



And Colonel Green was evil.
Anyone who doesn't think  
Josh in the City : 6/6/2019 2:36 pm : link
it was an intentional dig at Eli (along with a compliment of Eli) simply doesn't understand human psychology.
I could see it both ways on this actually...  
bw in dc : 6/6/2019 2:41 pm : link
Mayfield's arm has been much better than I anticipated. It looks clearly in the plus category. In fact, I think he had two or three throws last year that were in contention for best throws of the year. So I could see OBJ being a bit caught off guard by the zip. Eli's arm just isn't what it used to be on any consistent basis.

If he stays healthy, and Baker doesn't regress, OBJ will have a monster year.

On the other hand, a not so subtle shot at Eli would be up OBJ's immature alley. He seems to harbor a lot of resentment towards Gettleman, Mara, and Eli.



Leonard understands psycology  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 2:41 pm : link
and knows how to dig at certain Giant fans insecurities..
This is simple to me  
dep026 : 6/6/2019 2:48 pm : link
OBJ made a comment about Bakerís arm and Leonard wrote it as OBJ was taking a dig at Eli.

Leonard sucks.
This  
bc4life : 6/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
^
So let me get this straight.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
Pat "The Hack's Hack" Leonard (yet again) attempts to manufacture a controversy out of thin air because he's utterly desperate for attention, but the problem is with "Eli fanboys'" vulnerability to being exploited psychologically?

Some of you people care way too much about feeling like the smartest guy in the room.
RE: This is simple to me  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14465072 dep026 said:
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OBJ made a comment about Bakerís arm and Leonard wrote it as OBJ was taking a dig at Eli.

Leonard sucks.


Yup it's Leonard taking the shot at Eli, not OBJ. Or at least, Leonard much much more than OBJ taking a swipe at Eli.

Leonard and Lombardo are pushing their anti-Eli agendas to the max.
they both are the problem  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 3:19 pm : link
Leonard doesn't exist without his audience

The one thing that isn't wrong, is OBJ's comments
RE: Leonard understands psycology  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14465063 ron mexico said:
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and knows how to dig at certain Giant fans insecurities..


Hey Ron, go fuck yourself. We should only hope to be as smart as you.
The only thing I will agree with here  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
Leonard is definitely the villain here. I don't read columnist's stuff that much so I was unfamiliar with his history.

Lesson learned.
Last Editorial Comment  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 3:47 pm : link
This is why some people hate to post on here and why I do it infrequently. What is it about some people that have to attack others personally. Why can't this forum be used to have civil discussion and polite disagreement among Giant fans.

Phrases like, "Eli Persecution Syndrome", "EliFanboy gene mutation" or "Giant fans insecurities.." really enhances dialogue between supposed Giant fans. I guess it makes certain people feel like they're above the rest.

Hey, what do I know. I could be arguing with some kid living in his parents basement.
RE: RE: Leonard understands psycology  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14465113 wonderback said:
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In comment 14465063 ron mexico said:


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and knows how to dig at certain Giant fans insecurities..



Hey Ron, go fuck yourself. We should only hope to be as smart as you.


Thanks for civil discussion and polite disagreement.

Did I hit a nerve? My bad
Your're A Real Smarmy SOB  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 3:59 pm : link
aren't you.
It makes you feel any better  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 4:10 pm : link
I used to be much worse
Glad to hear  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 4:11 pm : link
You're getting better.
RE: Last Editorial Comment  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14465123 wonderback said:
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This is why some people hate to post on here and why I do it infrequently. What is it about some people that have to attack others personally. Why can't this forum be used to have civil discussion and polite disagreement among Giant fans.

Phrases like, "Eli Persecution Syndrome", "EliFanboy gene mutation" or "Giant fans insecurities.." really enhances dialogue between supposed Giant fans. I guess it makes certain people feel like they're above the rest.

Hey, what do I know. I could be arguing with some kid living in his parents basement.

How is this any different then anywhere else? We see an increasing number of people who attack anyone for having a different opinion than them. Many of the people who claim to be tolerant are actually the opposite. It's sad to see society headed down this road where people try to silence anyone with a different opinion.

RE: I never read anything by Leonard.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14465047 Klaatu said:
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He reminds me of Col. Green, from the Star Trek:TOS episode, "The Savage Curtain."



And Colonel Green was evil.

Lol
The Eli debates..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/6/2019 4:29 pm : link
are perplexing because there is a fairly large faction of posters who make it seem like a bad thing to root for the guy. Like wonderback said about the monikers of a fanboy club and similar derisive tags - it is very one-sided.

If you defend Eli, you get barraged with a bunch of posters acting like they are just being objective by shitting on the guy. Hell, even ron has to include the observation that "The one thing that isn't wrong, is OBJ's comments".

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? And why is it even referenced? Why, because it furthers his consistent take that Eli is done and the incessant need to point it out.

But hey - it's just objectivity, so who gives a fuck if I keep shitting on an all-time great Giant?

The problem with the Eli debates  
ron mexico : 6/6/2019 4:52 pm : link
Are when people inset them where they are needed. Obj didn't mention Eli here. The press asked him other questions to try to bait him into taking a shot at the Giants and he refused. Even Dep saw it for what it was, a compliment to his QB and if you heard the full interview, a reason why their timing has a way to go.

I root for the guy as much as anyone here (I know that is hard to believe) but Not everything is about Eli.

For fuck sakes, people were upset that Collins had the gall to compliment Webb when he was in the team as if that was a shot at Eli.

And to clarify my point, Leonard is a hack, certain certain giant fans are way too sensitive about Eli and OBJ said nothing insubordination wrong here.
I keep getting sucked back into this  
wonderback : 6/6/2019 4:59 pm : link
I'm not even that much of an Eli supporter (or fan boy or whatever). I can see the other side of the argument. He gets paid a lot of money. He's a bit one-dimensional. He's getting up there in age.

I get it.

It's getting close to pulling the trigger on him, but the vitriol thrown at him by some on this site is beyond the pale.

Maybe I feel like he's been jobbed throughout his career. The guy's won two super bowls for god's sake. Never really got his due.

And don't get me started on the Giants Offensive Line issues over that past, what, eight years now. The right side of the line they put out there last year was an absolute joke. No one could have played QB behind that line. No one!!!


The emphasis with the people who have been frustrated with our team the last few years has been on Eli rather than the line.

I'll agree the thrust of my problem with this piece should have been more on Leonard.

Also, didn't mean to pick a fight with others on this board.
beckham has seen the cost to his ďbrandĒ of having to leave NYC for  
plato : 6/6/2019 6:07 pm : link
the ďcity by the lakeĒ. big hit for big ego with big dreams.

for me, always sad to see physical talent betrayed by a distorted narcissism, but it seems to be in fashion. good bye #13.
Didnít Odell  
BBelle21 : 6/6/2019 7:32 pm : link
dislocate a finger from one of Eliís passes?? To be fair, he just seemed to be commenting on how he needs to adjust. Eli was never known for having a super powerful arm like a Jay Cutler type. Receivers have always said Eli throws a beautiful ball and a very catchable ball placed perfectly. Hope Odell wasnít being petty, but, more likely, Leonard was just being a jerk.
The real problem with these Eli debates...  
bw in dc : 6/7/2019 1:43 am : link
is that not enough people realize how great these debates actually are. And fail to properly embrace them.

Itís a great topic because Eli is one of the most polarizing players in the league. Heís a paradox. Eight incredible weeks that resulted in two SB wins. But then a regular season career full of inconsistency on the field. Which has led to speeding up the debate on whether Eli belongs in Canton.

And now we have this new layer where we invested the #6 pick in the draft on a QB who may actually be even more controversial than Eli.

What an interesting time this is...

But no. Lets stay away from these hot button topics and return to our regularly scheduled program of milquetoast BBI...
RE: You people keep knocking Leonard and Raanan,  
.McL. : 6/7/2019 2:32 am : link
In comment 14464720 Big Blue '56 said:
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so why the hell do you read them, to complain? I donít read them at all because theyíre awful. How hard is it to ignore the guys you donít like or respect?

+1
But a lot of this isn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 8:02 am : link
even true and an invention of those looking to either hang the woes lately solely on Eli or are looking to take shots at him:

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The real problem with these Eli debates...
bw in dc : 1:43 am : link : reply
is that not enough people realize how great these debates actually are. And fail to properly embrace them.

Itís a great topic because Eli is one of the most polarizing players in the league. Heís a paradox. Eight incredible weeks that resulted in two SB wins. But then a regular season career full of inconsistency on the field. Which has led to speeding up the debate on whether Eli belongs in Canton.


These debates aren't great. There's not even really a debate. It is one side saying that Eli is done and they keep using any tidbit to start a thread on it. There isn't some other side saying Eli is a top tier QB and shoving it down the board's throat. How many threads are started proclaiming Eli's greatness? Because there is at least a thread a day discussing his decline

And Eli hasn't had a career full of inconsistency on the field. He's had two stages of his career. One where he went 8 straight seasons without a losing record and a second half of a career with 5 out of 6 seasons with a losing record.

Basically these threads are fodder for posters to intentional tweak others. It's basically a long-troll job. And it isn't surprising in the least why bw thinks there's a debate. Without these threads, he'd have very little to comment on.
Some truths and some not on both sides of the debate  
Jimmy Googs : 6/7/2019 8:19 am : link
for certain. So to argue one-side has taken the debate too far is ridiculous.

Point the finger at anybody/anything you want over the recent past within this franchise as to why, but the team has not performed well. And Eli is not at a stage anymore to make a meaningful difference on altering this trend. Some saw that a few years ago, some see it now, and some still don't see it clearly at all.

Hence the debate...

RE: But a lot of this isn't..  
bw in dc : 6/7/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14465609 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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These debates aren't great. There's not even really a debate. It is one side saying that Eli is done and they keep using any tidbit to start a thread on it. There isn't some other side saying Eli is a top tier QB and shoving it down the board's throat. How many threads are started proclaiming Eli's greatness? Because there is at least a thread a day discussing his decline



Simple solution for you - then donít participate.

You avoid exposure to ponderous and obtuse behavior; and we avoid your sanctimony.

A win-win.
Eli wasnít inconsistent during those regular seasons  
djm : 6/8/2019 7:38 pm : link
Fans just donít know how to evaluate the qb position within the team concept. Thatís why these fun debates are annoying.

Eli has had a weird up n down career because the giants were a weird up and down team. When Eli had a good OL he delivered. Shit he threw for 8500 yards and 65 tds over a 2 year wretch when the OL sucked balls and there was no running game. Eli never had a bad year under coughlin except once, 2013. Eli played well enough with bozo the clown as HC in 2016.

Eli was the only offensive player that was consistent from 2005 on. Heís the correlation as to why the giants offense usually scored 400 plus pts every year save for 13 and 17.

Now heís winding down but I think he can still play and I think these rumors of lost arm strength are nothing more than bullshit hot takes from unaccountable outlets.
Tiki was great  
djm : 6/8/2019 7:42 pm : link
Beckham was great. Plenty of good or great players here but they never lasted and some were a pain In the ass. Most were ďinconsistentĒ or oft injured. But the guy that was always there was eli. No Eli and The giants arenít relevant these last 15 years.

If Eli was drafted by the pats heíd have more rings.
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