Dak and his agent must love this deal. It probably assures Dak a $30+ contract per year.
Wentz needs to now prove he can stay injury free for the Eagles.
The market value for starting QB’s in the NFL is crazy money. Taking up to close to 15% of cap for 1 player. The new NFL.
RE: He may be injury prone. Senior year broken wrist. Â
ACL two years ago broken back last year. Pretty much the only thing stopping him from being considered with the elite QBs.
There's no maybe. He is injury prone. All of the things you mentioned. People forget he also broke his ribs his rookie year. It happened in the first preseason game, but he ended up missing the entire preseason. So in his last 4 seasons he's had 4 different injuries.
Just said it's the most guaranteed money in NFL history. Topping Russ.
Holy crap. Is that accurate?
We need Daniel Jones to rock 'n roll more than ever.
The rookie contract for a Qb is key, so if DJones can gives us 3-4 years t a low cost franchise QB level we can contend. Although not sure how smart it is to sit him out, given that the value of a great QB is that much more when you aren’t paying him. Even if he sucks this year, you might see we’ll start the process. If someone gets injured like Bridgewater did on a contender, I think it makes sense to trade Eli if someone is desperate enough to save their season. In this case, the Eagles were smart in one sense. What were they going to do wait a year? The money is only going to get worse and even if he got injured again, do they really have a choice in letting him go? When you get a guy who has had the success Wentz has had, you are kinda married to him.
Wentz clearly looked like the "goods" for 3QTRS of 2017 season Â
as he was probably the league MVP at that point before getting hurt. I watched a lot of those games and saw a guy who was very talented but also took on some huge risks to extend plays which all seemed to pay off...until they didn't for him and he was shelved for the season.
Its okay to be a QB with mobility, but unless your name is Russell Wilson, running QBs are going to get hurt and its just a matter of time...
Must be near tops in the league although maybe with his injury trouble he took a discount to get the big check cashed.
I’m guessing it’s a team friendly deal since he signed early and off of an injury.
It's not. 4 years 128 million with 107 million guaranteed. Could be worth up to 144 million.
Same guaranteed money as Russell Wilson.
Interesting that it is the same as Wilson because THAT is the guy he needs to emulate and learn to run OB and avoid the big hits he has taken in the past seasons.
This will look like a team friendly deal in a short order.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
The guy, to date, is fragile. So was Simms his first Â
5 seasons, but he didn’t run anywhere near what Wentz does..
I would have waited this season to see if he could play a full year, tgat any issues were behind him..If necessary I would tag him as necessary until I was convinced one way or the other. If the guaranteed money report is close to being accurate, then Philly is uber stupid, imv and they’re usually pretty savvy with signings, imo
This will look like a team friendly deal in a short order.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
This will look like a team friendly deal in a short order.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
Agreed
So the Eagles are paying $30 + million for a qb that is injury prone Â
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
Virtually every premier QB contract in the market right now is a risk. However, I agree Wentz seems riskier.
But I'd feel good if I was Philly because it's not like Wentz is RG3. While they are/were injury prone, Wentz is an excellent pocket QB. So if he can tamp down his scrambling, and limit his desire to extend plays, I think this can be successful and avoid injuries. And I wouldn't put it past Pederson to move to a more run oriented team. I sort of like their RBBC; their lot of "no name backs".
Furthermore, as long as the cap continues to rise, this deal will become more and more mitigated as a % of the cap.
And if the contract works out, and Wentz kills it, then Philly can resort to the franchise tag option when Wentz comes back up. Let's face it, if anybody can properly manage this, it's Roseman.
Wentz is an excellent pocket QB. So if he can tamp down his scrambling, and limit his desire to extend plays, I think this can be successful and avoid injuries.
Wentz was actually the 4th most effective QB outside of the pocket, but only the 22nd ranked in the pocket. He was also only 19th last year in his "aggressiveness rate" in throwing into tight spaces.
And staying in the pocket also had this impact:
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The most impactful change has been on third down. Wentz averaged 7.6 yards per carry and picked up 13 first downs on the ground in '17, compared with a 3.8 average and three first downs this season. That has to be considered when searching for reasons the Eagles dipped from second in the NFL in third-down conversion rate (45 percent) to 15th (39 percent) this season.
He's a much more effective QB when he's outside the pocket.
more times per game last year than his rookie year.
He ran more past the line of scrimmage, but he stayed in the pocket a helluva a lot more this year. He actually didn't take a ton of hits. Guy might just be Mr. Glass.
I’m guessing it’s a team friendly deal since he signed early and off of an injury.
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Must be near tops in the league although maybe with his injury trouble he took a discount to get the big check cashed.
I’m guessing it’s a team friendly deal since he signed early and off of an injury.
It's not. 4 years 128 million with 107 million guaranteed. Could be worth up to 144 million.
Same guaranteed money as Russell Wilson.
No way he was getting less that $30m. Probably sets the market for Dak as well.
Wow - Hate to see all that $ go to waste when Big Dex falls on him... ;-P
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Must be near tops in the league although maybe with his injury trouble he took a discount to get the big check cashed.
I’m guessing it’s a team friendly deal since he signed early and off of an injury.
It's not. 4 years 128 million with 107 million guaranteed. Could be worth up to 144 million.
Same guaranteed money as Russell Wilson.
Haha, Jesus.
In a few years, could be considered a bargain if cap continues to go up.....but a major risk, just the same.
Wentz needs to now prove he can stay injury free for the Eagles.
The market value for starting QB’s in the NFL is crazy money. Taking up to close to 15% of cap for 1 player. The new NFL.
There's no maybe. He is injury prone. All of the things you mentioned. People forget he also broke his ribs his rookie year. It happened in the first preseason game, but he ended up missing the entire preseason. So in his last 4 seasons he's had 4 different injuries.
Well, QBs salaries going up and maybe an elite 4 or 5 others. The bottom 45 or so is not reaping any benefits of the CAP advances.
Holy crap. Is that accurate?
We need Daniel Jones to rock 'n roll more than ever.
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Just said it's the most guaranteed money in NFL history. Topping Russ.
Holy crap. Is that accurate?
We need Daniel Jones to rock 'n roll more than ever.
The rookie contract for a Qb is key, so if DJones can gives us 3-4 years t a low cost franchise QB level we can contend. Although not sure how smart it is to sit him out, given that the value of a great QB is that much more when you aren’t paying him. Even if he sucks this year, you might see we’ll start the process. If someone gets injured like Bridgewater did on a contender, I think it makes sense to trade Eli if someone is desperate enough to save their season. In this case, the Eagles were smart in one sense. What were they going to do wait a year? The money is only going to get worse and even if he got injured again, do they really have a choice in letting him go? When you get a guy who has had the success Wentz has had, you are kinda married to him.
Its okay to be a QB with mobility, but unless your name is Russell Wilson, running QBs are going to get hurt and its just a matter of time...
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Must be near tops in the league although maybe with his injury trouble he took a discount to get the big check cashed.
I’m guessing it’s a team friendly deal since he signed early and off of an injury.
It's not. 4 years 128 million with 107 million guaranteed. Could be worth up to 144 million.
Same guaranteed money as Russell Wilson.
Interesting that it is the same as Wilson because THAT is the guy he needs to emulate and learn to run OB and avoid the big hits he has taken in the past seasons.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
I would have waited this season to see if he could play a full year, tgat any issues were behind him..If necessary I would tag him as necessary until I was convinced one way or the other. If the guaranteed money report is close to being accurate, then Philly is uber stupid, imv and they’re usually pretty savvy with signings, imo
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This will look like a team friendly deal in a short order.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
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This will look like a team friendly deal in a short order.
Agreed. And it’s only a four year deal.
Here’s the insurance to this - the Philly front office is arguably the best in the NFL. So if any team can manage around this, and solve for X, it’s them.
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
Agreed
Giants do have the best QB sit in the NFC East by far, despite what ESPN tells you.
Yeah, we got em' right where we want them!
Until, of course, we play them...
I guarantee you Philly wanted to do much more than a four year deal. A four year deal is a winner for Wentz, plus its almost all guaranteed. Wentz can hit the free agent market at around 30 in (five years because this was an extension) and what do you think the market will look like then if they want to sign him? There is no out in this contract is it is almost all guaranteed, so even if does get injured this contract will sink Philly. It is all upside for Wentz (tons of guaranteed, will get a new contract at a young age) vs little downside for him (if it didn't work out and he got a longer contract at non-guaranteed money he might get cut). This is a dream contract for Wentz. Not saying Philly shouldn't of done this, they had to the minute they traded Foles, but this contract carrries much more risk for Philly than it does Wentz.
Virtually every premier QB contract in the market right now is a risk. However, I agree Wentz seems riskier.
But I'd feel good if I was Philly because it's not like Wentz is RG3. While they are/were injury prone, Wentz is an excellent pocket QB. So if he can tamp down his scrambling, and limit his desire to extend plays, I think this can be successful and avoid injuries. And I wouldn't put it past Pederson to move to a more run oriented team. I sort of like their RBBC; their lot of "no name backs".
Furthermore, as long as the cap continues to rise, this deal will become more and more mitigated as a % of the cap.
And if the contract works out, and Wentz kills it, then Philly can resort to the franchise tag option when Wentz comes back up. Let's face it, if anybody can properly manage this, it's Roseman.
Wentz was actually the 4th most effective QB outside of the pocket, but only the 22nd ranked in the pocket. He was also only 19th last year in his "aggressiveness rate" in throwing into tight spaces.
And staying in the pocket also had this impact:
He's a much more effective QB when he's outside the pocket.
He ran more past the line of scrimmage, but he stayed in the pocket a helluva a lot more this year. He actually didn't take a ton of hits. Guy might just be Mr. Glass.
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