If you have a problem and there is a possible POSITIVE solution, don't implement the proposed solution until you understand the possible NEGATIVE impacts.
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The author even says hey it's June, I was 30-75 yards away, the players are wearing shorts and t-shirts and it's not really taken seriously. Other than that the article stirs shit
Oh I m certain there might be some dialogue on the idea, but isnt that the pt.
You say stir it up, I say create dialogue, you say potato
Personally I would be very happy if they are correct about Jone s progress. I also hope they are wrong about Eli, you can do both you know, it s allowed.
Is look at any positive talk or buzz about jones as a very good thing. Who cares about this guy or that guy starting how many games. We simply want jones to be good. Everything else will be fine and take care of itself if jones is good.
There are several beat writing that feel Manning cant throw any longer
I watch a lot of the young QBs in the NFL regularly, and it's crystal clear Manning can't put the ball in places these guys with 10s of thousands less throws on their arm can.
Manning can turn it up sometimes, but he can't all of the time. I don't know why that's controversial or insulting.
You watch Brees and Brady and they struggle getting the ball all over the field now too. In the NFC championship game Brees had a couple really badly under thrown balls. No way Brady can get it 60 yards in the air on a dime like 10 years ago.
Throwing the ball all over is only one facet of succeeding and the Giants seem intent on a shorter strike, less downfield offense. Maybe it will work well enough to keep the dogs off him.
Maybe... if "arm strength" is the defining factor in a successful QB
against everything that is known about QB's as they age:
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christian : 8:47 pm : link : reply
I watch a lot of the young QBs in the NFL regularly, and it's crystal clear Manning can't put the ball in places these guys with 10s of thousands less throws on their arm can.
Sometimes legs go. Sometimes a guy gets gun shy. There's no evidence to suggest that younger QB's somehow have an advantage on accuracy or putting balls in places vets can't. In fact, arm strength may diminish slightly, but that usually isn't what either puts a guy into retirement or separates the young guys from the older ones.
I feel like Jones could literally morph into Joe Montana and he still wouldn't be starting 2019. I think the only thing Jones performance can do right now is push his start date up by increasing the team's confidence thus making the leash on Eli shorter. I could be dead wrong but I'd be stunned if Eli wasn't starting week 1
Im glad, in part, because this and subsequent stories
Ill lay waste to the negative ,lying, bs stories following the draft. And in real life, its good because it brings optimism that we are set for the future.
But its really more a bash Eli story than a pimp Jones story. Jones is just the handy vehicle. And the striking thing is how far he goes out of his way to misrepresent Elis performance this week. Its at odds with all other, sans Leonard/Lombardo, reports, including the coaching staffs evaluations.
But while he's as much a work in progress as any rookie quarterback, Jones looked better this week than either Carson Wentz or Lamar Jackson (two recent first-round quarterbacks I got long looks at as rookies) did at about the same stage in their development.
If true, Giant fans should take this as hgood news
It should surprise no one the younger, faster guy looks better in what amounts to a skills competition.
Put on pads, approximate a pass rush, and let the defense hit a little, and Manning will look better. Manning is a better NFL quarterback right now than Jones.
Jones might never be a better NFL quarterback than Manning is today, and he's certainly not going to be after a few practices.
The only unequivocal positive to take out of practices so far if true is the analysis of Jones's arm undersold it.
Manning is the starter, and Jones is learning. I really hope this year isn't an exercise in shitting on Manning constantly.
post season game? I have watched Eli several times in Albany including his rookie year, all pre season games and on tv for his career. He seems to wake up in 4th qtr of important games after lackluster throws early on.
message for me is dont judge Eli until season starts and it really counts. Well see when his performance really counts.
I feel like Jones could literally morph into Joe Montana and he still wouldn't be starting 2019. I think the only thing Jones performance can do right now is push his start date up by increasing the team's confidence thus making the leash on Eli shorter. I could be dead wrong but I'd be stunned if Eli wasn't starting week 1
Even if he did, remember Montana couldn't beat out DeBerg at first.
Eli is a Giants legend and nothing going forward will change that. But him starting games for the Giants in 2019 and beyond is nothing but a hindrance to the future of the franchise
about not wanting to stir things up. For crissakes, this is a debate site. Are you worried about pissing off the BBI Mainstream?
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
about not wanting to stir things up. For crissakes, this is a debate site. Are you worried about pissing off the BBI Mainstream?
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
Is now magnifying everything does, right or wrong, that's the reality. Eli could go 10-10, the. 1-5, and the headline will be he had a bad practice. The only way you could say Jones is outperforming Eli is if they split reps. But, I'm happy with the stuff about Jones though, can't wait to see him play.
Also, the reports about Eli in OTAs are usually the same each year, seems that way again. I guess it's not a good sign for the apologists who swore he would come in determined to prove the doubters wrong.
Eli is a Giants legend and nothing going forward will change that. But him starting games for the Giants in 2019 and beyond is nothing but a hindrance to the future of the franchise
Well said. This season should be about 2020 and beyond. I don't know where you draw the line at what is and isn't a success if Jones doesn't play but it is at least the NFC Championship Game.
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
That doesn't mean he's wrong about how they performed in camp, but he's spinning this in the worst possible way for Eli and the best way for Jones.
Jones has never taken an NFL snap. He's not facing "live fire." He's never had to read an NFL defense. Once he's facing real game action, and once there's tape on him, his arm strength is going to be the least of it. His mobility and speed will matter because he's going to want to run for his life.
But let's face it: Eli hasn't played great the last couple of years, and when Geno Smith (of all people) broke the streak in Oakland, he did slightly better. There's reason to doubt Eli even considering the awful line play the last couple of years. Gettleman seems to be a rip-off-the-band-aid kind of guy, and probably would be ok if Jones starts sooner rather than later. And Jones is more Shurmur's kind of QB. So we'll have to see how things go in training camp and exhibition games.
Eli could have started from Day 1 and took his lumps
Luckily, he didn't have to. Eli is a student of the game and I bet he learned quite a bit from watching Kurt Warner go about his business. Same goes for Daniel Jones. It's clear the kid is going to work hard and be ready when called upon to take over. That doesn't mean he can't learn a ton from Eli in the meantime. Jones day will come soon enough. No need to rush him.
will be inordinate with a Giants legend like Eli taking a backseat. However, I think people are going to be surprised how short Eli's rope is going to be.
for there to be any competition. Eli should have been cut in February. Turn the team over to Jones and see what happens. I'm sure there will be growing pains, but playing Eli even 1 game this year serves no purpose. Having him on the team serves no purpose.
RE: The real story is whether Shurmur or Gettleman/Mara
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
Eli is our past. Lets see how things go in games. Then they will decide whats right to do. But if things work the way we hope its coming. Thats a good thing.
None of this is a knock on Eli. He brought us to the top twice. That will always be.
Luckily, he didn't have to. Eli is a student of the game and I bet he learned quite a bit from watching Kurt Warner go about his business. Same goes for Daniel Jones. It's clear the kid is going to work hard and be ready when called upon to take over. That doesn't mean he can't learn a ton from Eli in the meantime. Jones day will come soon enough. No need to rush him.
Well said. I agree.
Moving from one QB to the next successfully is a process
the good news is it looks like Jones might be the real deal. That doesn't mean he is close to ready yet. Anyone on the outside that thinks they can evaluate the proper time for that transition is full of BS.
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
RE: RE: The real story is whether Shurmur or Gettleman/Mara
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
Well said. Stupid, perpetual narrative, oft times stated as absolute fact..
where writers are challenged to find stuff to write about. IMO OTA and mini-camp performance is interesting but means little. These types of changes won't be considered until the pads come on and we see the players play in live action during the preseason. As of now, Eli is the 2019 starting QB for the NY Giants.
Regardless, what Eli has that Jones doesn't have is the space between his ears. Eli understands and can read defenses as good as any QB in history. Unfortunately, his athleticism isn't what it used to be. The good news is, is that Jones has the cerebral capacity to soak up all that knowledge of Eli and at some point, will have the same cranial ability. Matched with his athletic ability and Jones will be a future star. He's just not quite ready yet, but luckily, he's a fast study. Eli deserves to retire with the utmost dignity. He won't find dignified stories about him in the Bleacher Report (nor will DG, Shurmur, or a dozen other Giants' players)
is to win some games. Hell half of BBI thinks we are a playoff contender. If we go 1-5, Jones will be the starter. And it won't matter whether he can win an open competition in OTAs or anywhere else. Anybody think Eli was better than Kurt Warner when he took over in 2004?
Just hope that the GM and ownership allow the coach to play the QB he wants. If that is Eli, so be it. I am tired of this debate. I want the Giants to win again and I don't care if that means Eli takes a seat or Eli plays every snap. Just play the better QB. No one would be engaging in this debate at other positions--it would just be go with the better player.
So all of the BBI and Media hysteria of drafting Jones
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
and I dont think you will see Eli play less than 16 games this year unless he suddenly regresses sharply. Mara is not going to let Eli end his Giants career sitting on the bench watching someone else play QB unless it is so obvious fans are booing him. I dont see that happening. There will be media calls for Jones every time the Giants lose, but that is typical for any team with a first round QB on the bench.
What I take from the article is that Jones is looking good in camp, which is great news for the future. Way too early for any definitive conclusions, but it is good to hear he is doing well.
These conclusions are based on a few dozen throws witnessed from 30 to 75 yards away during sessions that are more about learning and play installation than getting the team ready to face an opponent in three months.
Yes, but are they HIS observations? He seems to be summarizing the views of first-hand witnesses. In other words, it's clickbait BS whether you agree with him or not.
I have no dog in this fight, since I just want Jones to play when he gets to the point where playing will advance his development.
Jones is tall, runs fairly well, has some of the sweetest mechanics youll ever see and often makes pretty good decisions. Hes the default-choice prospect. He appeals to coaches who think the goal of quarterbacking is to look really good at quarterbacking and to general managers who prefer to select the guy least likely to get them fired if he fails.
I really liked Jones entering the predraft process, but he was very up and down at the Senior Bowl and didnt blow me away in combine throwing sessions. Hell max out as a mid-tier starter like Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. But theres a high risk he will be one of those backups who bounces around the league for 10 years because teams love safe backups.
Ultimately, Jones is the perfect quarterback for the Giants because the Giants dont want to replace Eli. They want an excuse not to replace Elia quarterback just good enough to make it look like he presents a challenge without presenting a challenge. Jones is that guy.
This won't be like Rodgers or Mahomes sitting -- they got drafted onto pretty good teams. Those fan bases had something to distract them ; winning.
The Giants aren't very good. Maybe it improves drastically and it's a really positive season. But keep in mind the Giants need to improve their win total by near or double to be a playoff team.
I think it gets ugly for Manning. He's a lesser player with a less arm than the legend set in the hearts of his fans.
On a better team without a top 10 pick rookie behind him, he could be a winner.
Jones would have to be lights out to beat out Eli.
"The Giants, who view Manning as a UNESCO World Heritage Site that must be preserved, have no interest in an open competition."
I just thought that was a funny line.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Jones become the starter at some point this season.
If they get off to a 3-5 or 2-6 start, I say pull the trigger. I know I was ready to move on from Eli, but had to accept the fact that wasn't going to happen, so here we are.
"Starting Eli is a detriment to the future of the franchise." Or. "Jones should start from day one." MAKE NO SENSE!. When Jones is ready, he starts, period. Whether it is <1, 2 or 5 years, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! When he can beat out Eli, he should start. Throw him into the Fire philosophy for NO viable reason is dumb. If he is not better that ELI, TFB. Eli can still play with the best of them. When it happens, it will happen, until then, either enjoy it or hate it. Wanting to start an inferior QB just because he was drafted at 6 = lose. When it is time, I hope he is at least as good as ELI is now.
Jones will get his chance to prove if he is ready or not .
I think it's possible he could start the first game say
if he just plays impressively in pre-season shows
he knows the plays ect . and or Eli doesn't play well
and the arm strength is diminished enough to roll with
Jones to start the season having Eli doesn't force
Jones when he is not ready .
Meanwhile the media will continue with statements
that are not facts as of yet .
RE: RE: The real story is whether Shurmur or Gettleman/Mara
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
My god some of you say shit that is so stupid I dont know why I even bother.
You really believe that? Why even draft jones then?
First some of you nut jobs said theyd never draft a qb because they dont want to move away from Eli. Then they do, now the new horse crap theories abound. Now they dont want to play jones because they want to get Eli Into canton???
No offense, Bill, but what the hell does "stir things up" mean? This is a Giants chat board site. Nothing could be more innocuous and powerless in terms of the Giants team and its management.
about not wanting to stir things up. For crissakes, this is a debate site. Are you worried about pissing off the BBI Mainstream?
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
Posting with the intent to stir others up -- that's the definition of trolling
Not really, but not surprised you think that. You dont think it s. Relevant story for a website devoted to the Giants? Ok.
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but you're certainly trying to stir things up
Not really, but not surprised you think that.
Let's just sit back and watch the posts then :)
(Current issues have turned this old adage around 180 degrees).
Please don't let this comment on long standing definitions get political. This is a football discussion.
You say stir it up, I say create dialogue, you say potato
Personally I would be very happy if they are correct about Jone s progress. I also hope they are wrong about Eli, you can do both you know, it s allowed.
Manning can turn it up sometimes, but he can't all of the time. I don't know why that's controversial or insulting.
You watch Brees and Brady and they struggle getting the ball all over the field now too. In the NFC championship game Brees had a couple really badly under thrown balls. No way Brady can get it 60 yards in the air on a dime like 10 years ago.
Throwing the ball all over is only one facet of succeeding and the Giants seem intent on a shorter strike, less downfield offense. Maybe it will work well enough to keep the dogs off him.
Eli is way ahead of Jones.
christian : 8:47 pm : link : reply
I watch a lot of the young QBs in the NFL regularly, and it's crystal clear Manning can't put the ball in places these guys with 10s of thousands less throws on their arm can.
Sometimes legs go. Sometimes a guy gets gun shy. There's no evidence to suggest that younger QB's somehow have an advantage on accuracy or putting balls in places vets can't. In fact, arm strength may diminish slightly, but that usually isn't what either puts a guy into retirement or separates the young guys from the older ones.
Just a pretty odd statement.
I see younger, liver arms, struggle far less getting the ball across and down the field than older guys.
It doesn't make them more accurate, more efficient, or better quarterbacks.
But I don't believe 38-year-old Eli Manning can make the throws 25-year-old Manning could.
But its really more a bash Eli story than a pimp Jones story. Jones is just the handy vehicle. And the striking thing is how far he goes out of his way to misrepresent Elis performance this week. Its at odds with all other, sans Leonard/Lombardo, reports, including the coaching staffs evaluations.
Eli is way ahead of Jones.
I ve no doubt this is true
Both of which have not existed on this site for awhile...
Put on pads, approximate a pass rush, and let the defense hit a little, and Manning will look better. Manning is a better NFL quarterback right now than Jones.
Jones might never be a better NFL quarterback than Manning is today, and he's certainly not going to be after a few practices.
The only unequivocal positive to take out of practices so far if true is the analysis of Jones's arm undersold it.
Manning is the starter, and Jones is learning. I really hope this year isn't an exercise in shitting on Manning constantly.
message for me is dont judge Eli until season starts and it really counts. Well see when his performance really counts.
I personally hope he beats Manning out.
Even if he did, remember Montana couldn't beat out DeBerg at first.
Its click bait, speculative bullshit.
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
Also, the reports about Eli in OTAs are usually the same each year, seems that way again. I guess it's not a good sign for the apologists who swore he would come in determined to prove the doubters wrong.
maybe it'll be legit. maybe not. Most media won't care one way or the other. whatever gets the sale.
Jones has never taken an NFL snap. He's not facing "live fire." He's never had to read an NFL defense. Once he's facing real game action, and once there's tape on him, his arm strength is going to be the least of it. His mobility and speed will matter because he's going to want to run for his life.
But let's face it: Eli hasn't played great the last couple of years, and when Geno Smith (of all people) broke the streak in Oakland, he did slightly better. There's reason to doubt Eli even considering the awful line play the last couple of years. Gettleman seems to be a rip-off-the-band-aid kind of guy, and probably would be ok if Jones starts sooner rather than later. And Jones is more Shurmur's kind of QB. So we'll have to see how things go in training camp and exhibition games.
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1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
None of this is a knock on Eli. He brought us to the top twice. That will always be.
Well said. I agree.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
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makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
Well said. Stupid, perpetual narrative, oft times stated as absolute fact..
LOL.
And, it will be the SAME people saying Jones looks good and should start, that said we shouldn't have drafted him at #6. You can't make this stuff up.
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
unfortunately true...
What I take from the article is that Jones is looking good in camp, which is great news for the future. Way too early for any definitive conclusions, but it is good to hear he is doing well.
I have no dog in this fight, since I just want Jones to play when he gets to the point where playing will advance his development.
Bottomline, Jones this year isnt going to be the starter if it looks like Eli still is playing capably well.
Bottomline, Jones this year isnt going to be the starter if it looks like Eli still is playing capably well.
This.
It will be 100% performance based. The oft-repeated, BS, Mara-myth is just that.
I really liked Jones entering the predraft process, but he was very up and down at the Senior Bowl and didnt blow me away in combine throwing sessions. Hell max out as a mid-tier starter like Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. But theres a high risk he will be one of those backups who bounces around the league for 10 years because teams love safe backups.
Ultimately, Jones is the perfect quarterback for the Giants because the Giants dont want to replace Eli. They want an excuse not to replace Elia quarterback just good enough to make it look like he presents a challenge without presenting a challenge. Jones is that guy.
But at least hes a quarterback.
Grade: C-
-Mike Tanier.
The Giants aren't very good. Maybe it improves drastically and it's a really positive season. But keep in mind the Giants need to improve their win total by near or double to be a playoff team.
I think it gets ugly for Manning. He's a lesser player with a less arm than the legend set in the hearts of his fans.
On a better team without a top 10 pick rookie behind him, he could be a winner.
I just thought that was a funny line.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Jones become the starter at some point this season.
If they get off to a 3-5 or 2-6 start, I say pull the trigger. I know I was ready to move on from Eli, but had to accept the fact that wasn't going to happen, so here we are.
I think it's possible he could start the first game say
if he just plays impressively in pre-season shows
he knows the plays ect . and or Eli doesn't play well
and the arm strength is diminished enough to roll with
Jones to start the season having Eli doesn't force
Jones when he is not ready .
Meanwhile the media will continue with statements
that are not facts as of yet .
Quote:
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
My god some of you say shit that is so stupid I dont know why I even bother.
You really believe that? Why even draft jones then?
First some of you nut jobs said theyd never draft a qb because they dont want to move away from Eli. Then they do, now the new horse crap theories abound. Now they dont want to play jones because they want to get Eli Into canton???
No offense, Bill, but what the hell does "stir things up" mean? This is a Giants chat board site. Nothing could be more innocuous and powerless in terms of the Giants team and its management.
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
Posting with the intent to stir others up -- that's the definition of trolling