Luckily, he didn't have to. Eli is a student of the game and I bet he learned quite a bit from watching Kurt Warner go about his business. Same goes for Daniel Jones. It's clear the kid is going to work hard and be ready when called upon to take over. That doesn't mean he can't learn a ton from Eli in the meantime. Jones day will come soon enough. No need to rush him.
Well said. I agree.
Moving from one QB to the next successfully is a process
the good news is it looks like Jones might be the real deal. That doesn't mean he is close to ready yet. Anyone on the outside that thinks they can evaluate the proper time for that transition is full of BS.
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
RE: RE: The real story is whether Shurmur or Gettleman/Mara
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
Well said. Stupid, perpetual narrative, oft times stated as absolute fact..
where writers are challenged to find stuff to write about. IMO OTA and mini-camp performance is interesting but means little. These types of changes won't be considered until the pads come on and we see the players play in live action during the preseason. As of now, Eli is the 2019 starting QB for the NY Giants.
Regardless, what Eli has that Jones doesn't have is the space between his ears. Eli understands and can read defenses as good as any QB in history. Unfortunately, his athleticism isn't what it used to be. The good news is, is that Jones has the cerebral capacity to soak up all that knowledge of Eli and at some point, will have the same cranial ability. Matched with his athletic ability and Jones will be a future star. He's just not quite ready yet, but luckily, he's a fast study. Eli deserves to retire with the utmost dignity. He won't find dignified stories about him in the Bleacher Report (nor will DG, Shurmur, or a dozen other Giants' players)
is to win some games. Hell half of BBI thinks we are a playoff contender. If we go 1-5, Jones will be the starter. And it won't matter whether he can win an open competition in OTAs or anywhere else. Anybody think Eli was better than Kurt Warner when he took over in 2004?
Just hope that the GM and ownership allow the coach to play the QB he wants. If that is Eli, so be it. I am tired of this debate. I want the Giants to win again and I don't care if that means Eli takes a seat or Eli plays every snap. Just play the better QB. No one would be engaging in this debate at other positions--it would just be go with the better player.
So all of the BBI and Media hysteria of drafting Jones
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
and I dont think you will see Eli play less than 16 games this year unless he suddenly regresses sharply. Mara is not going to let Eli end his Giants career sitting on the bench watching someone else play QB unless it is so obvious fans are booing him. I dont see that happening. There will be media calls for Jones every time the Giants lose, but that is typical for any team with a first round QB on the bench.
What I take from the article is that Jones is looking good in camp, which is great news for the future. Way too early for any definitive conclusions, but it is good to hear he is doing well.
These conclusions are based on a few dozen throws witnessed from 30 to 75 yards away during sessions that are more about learning and play installation than getting the team ready to face an opponent in three months.
Yes, but are they HIS observations? He seems to be summarizing the views of first-hand witnesses. In other words, it's clickbait BS whether you agree with him or not.
I have no dog in this fight, since I just want Jones to play when he gets to the point where playing will advance his development.
Jones is tall, runs fairly well, has some of the sweetest mechanics youll ever see and often makes pretty good decisions. Hes the default-choice prospect. He appeals to coaches who think the goal of quarterbacking is to look really good at quarterbacking and to general managers who prefer to select the guy least likely to get them fired if he fails.
I really liked Jones entering the predraft process, but he was very up and down at the Senior Bowl and didnt blow me away in combine throwing sessions. Hell max out as a mid-tier starter like Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. But theres a high risk he will be one of those backups who bounces around the league for 10 years because teams love safe backups.
Ultimately, Jones is the perfect quarterback for the Giants because the Giants dont want to replace Eli. They want an excuse not to replace Elia quarterback just good enough to make it look like he presents a challenge without presenting a challenge. Jones is that guy.
This won't be like Rodgers or Mahomes sitting -- they got drafted onto pretty good teams. Those fan bases had something to distract them ; winning.
The Giants aren't very good. Maybe it improves drastically and it's a really positive season. But keep in mind the Giants need to improve their win total by near or double to be a playoff team.
I think it gets ugly for Manning. He's a lesser player with a less arm than the legend set in the hearts of his fans.
On a better team without a top 10 pick rookie behind him, he could be a winner.
Jones would have to be lights out to beat out Eli.
"The Giants, who view Manning as a UNESCO World Heritage Site that must be preserved, have no interest in an open competition."
I just thought that was a funny line.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Jones become the starter at some point this season.
If they get off to a 3-5 or 2-6 start, I say pull the trigger. I know I was ready to move on from Eli, but had to accept the fact that wasn't going to happen, so here we are.
"Starting Eli is a detriment to the future of the franchise." Or. "Jones should start from day one." MAKE NO SENSE!. When Jones is ready, he starts, period. Whether it is <1, 2 or 5 years, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! When he can beat out Eli, he should start. Throw him into the Fire philosophy for NO viable reason is dumb. If he is not better that ELI, TFB. Eli can still play with the best of them. When it happens, it will happen, until then, either enjoy it or hate it. Wanting to start an inferior QB just because he was drafted at 6 = lose. When it is time, I hope he is at least as good as ELI is now.
Jones will get his chance to prove if he is ready or not .
I think it's possible he could start the first game say
if he just plays impressively in pre-season shows
he knows the plays ect . and or Eli doesn't play well
and the arm strength is diminished enough to roll with
Jones to start the season having Eli doesn't force
Jones when he is not ready .
Meanwhile the media will continue with statements
that are not facts as of yet .
RE: RE: The real story is whether Shurmur or Gettleman/Mara
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
My god some of you say shit that is so stupid I dont know why I even bother.
You really believe that? Why even draft jones then?
First some of you nut jobs said theyd never draft a qb because they dont want to move away from Eli. Then they do, now the new horse crap theories abound. Now they dont want to play jones because they want to get Eli Into canton???
No offense, Bill, but what the hell does "stir things up" mean? This is a Giants chat board site. Nothing could be more innocuous and powerless in terms of the Giants team and its management.
about not wanting to stir things up. For crissakes, this is a debate site. Are you worried about pissing off the BBI Mainstream?
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
Posting with the intent to stir others up -- that's the definition of trolling
Well said. I agree.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
Quote:
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
How does going 8-8 help Eli s 🙏HOF chances? These theories about Mara always seem far fetched to me. Mara loves the Giants more than He loves Eli,
Just seems like one more conspiracy theory that fans treat as fact when making assessments.
Well said. Stupid, perpetual narrative, oft times stated as absolute fact..
LOL.
And, it will be the SAME people saying Jones looks good and should start, that said we shouldn't have drafted him at #6. You can't make this stuff up.
I guess my disclaimer was aimed at the posters here who take any article or comment slanted against Eli personally, making spirited but rational dialogue almost non existent on the Eli topic.
unfortunately true...
What I take from the article is that Jones is looking good in camp, which is great news for the future. Way too early for any definitive conclusions, but it is good to hear he is doing well.
I have no dog in this fight, since I just want Jones to play when he gets to the point where playing will advance his development.
Bottomline, Jones this year isnt going to be the starter if it looks like Eli still is playing capably well.
Bottomline, Jones this year isnt going to be the starter if it looks like Eli still is playing capably well.
This.
It will be 100% performance based. The oft-repeated, BS, Mara-myth is just that.
I really liked Jones entering the predraft process, but he was very up and down at the Senior Bowl and didnt blow me away in combine throwing sessions. Hell max out as a mid-tier starter like Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. But theres a high risk he will be one of those backups who bounces around the league for 10 years because teams love safe backups.
Ultimately, Jones is the perfect quarterback for the Giants because the Giants dont want to replace Eli. They want an excuse not to replace Elia quarterback just good enough to make it look like he presents a challenge without presenting a challenge. Jones is that guy.
But at least hes a quarterback.
Grade: C-
-Mike Tanier.
The Giants aren't very good. Maybe it improves drastically and it's a really positive season. But keep in mind the Giants need to improve their win total by near or double to be a playoff team.
I think it gets ugly for Manning. He's a lesser player with a less arm than the legend set in the hearts of his fans.
On a better team without a top 10 pick rookie behind him, he could be a winner.
I just thought that was a funny line.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Jones become the starter at some point this season.
If they get off to a 3-5 or 2-6 start, I say pull the trigger. I know I was ready to move on from Eli, but had to accept the fact that wasn't going to happen, so here we are.
I think it's possible he could start the first game say
if he just plays impressively in pre-season shows
he knows the plays ect . and or Eli doesn't play well
and the arm strength is diminished enough to roll with
Jones to start the season having Eli doesn't force
Jones when he is not ready .
Meanwhile the media will continue with statements
that are not facts as of yet .
Quote:
makes the final decision on who starts when. Call me crazy, but I still think Mara desperately want to maximize Eli's chances of being elected to the HOF, and he'd rather go 8-8 with Eli than 10-6 with DJ.
1000%. I can absolutely see Mara getting cold feet/meddling in this.
My god some of you say shit that is so stupid I dont know why I even bother.
You really believe that? Why even draft jones then?
First some of you nut jobs said theyd never draft a qb because they dont want to move away from Eli. Then they do, now the new horse crap theories abound. Now they dont want to play jones because they want to get Eli Into canton???
No offense, Bill, but what the hell does "stir things up" mean? This is a Giants chat board site. Nothing could be more innocuous and powerless in terms of the Giants team and its management.
As far this story, of course there should be an open competition. I still don't like the Jones pick at #6, but it's clear he's an Olympic athlete compared to shuffle board Eli. And today's game and rules fit Jones's potential game more than Eli's eroding game.
If you pumped some Sodium Pentothal into his veins I'm almost certain Shurmur would prefer to roll with Jones's skill sets for his offense. Eli's skill sets are almost a complete waste of time for Shurmur's offense.
So not levering that right away - to quickly see if Jones is a boom or bust - is actually irresponsible. We need to start maximizing that rookie contract...
Posting with the intent to stir others up -- that's the definition of trolling