Post mini camp, how are you feeling about the 2019 Giants?

In comment 14466926 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 14466920 Klaatu said: Quote: Unfortunately, patience isn't a virtue around here, and it certainly won't be for the media (particularly where Eli is concerned). This is a fan site, and people like to come on here to vent. And since that's what fan sites are for, I figure we just live with it. But I think it's good to remind everybody to take a deep breath before calling on this guy to be benches or that guy to be cut or some coach to be fired. Bill Parcells turned out to be one of the great turnaround guys in NFL history, but he had a terrible first season as head coach and in his second season only went 9-7. And he inherited a better team than Shurmur did. It's not reasonable to think this 2019 team is going to jump to 11 wins. It could happen, but it's not reasonable to expect that. I think 9 wins would be a fantastic step forward.

I hear you. Hell, even Little Bill had only one winning season out of four with the Browns.

But what worries me the most is if things go south fairly quickly, it's not the transition from Eli to DJ because I view that as inevitable, it's the overall effect on a pretty likable group of players. Will failure lead to infighting? Will they have to deal with another coaching change? How patient will John Mara be with Gettleman and Shurmur? Right now I figure the arrow is pointing up for the Giants, but where it's going to be pointing at the end of the season is anybody's guess.

Because Barkley is so great we won't be in the bottom 4.

We have one star on the team and that's it.

Overall I get excited with wins not mini-camp reports. Or if there are some stars to watch. The overall excitement this year will be to watch Barkley.

The overall excitement begins when we show we are a contender.

IMO it just shows how fall we've fallen if anyone is "excited" (though "excited" has different meanings for different people.) about mini-camp unless they feel GMEN are a contender (if they did though you'd have to wonder what asylum they've been released from.).

So I can understand "excitement" some have but it's not a definition I would believe in that some use it for. For me -- The excitement imo is to threaten for SB Championships and/or being a consistent winning record team/about to become in the current year. This team is NOT that yet. The 2020 season is the year to possibly see a potential for being a contender.

It feels like the team is out of neutral. It was obvious with Reese’s solutions he was plugging holes and grasping for straws. Never had the stones to to clean the mess up. DG fighting cancer and the media has some conviction.

First time in a while I could say that I see talent across the roster and reason for optimism. It feels good. Will it translate immediately to wins? That's questionable as it will probably take some time to solidify things and build chemistry, but definitely feel things are looking up.

In comment 14466934 Klaatu said:

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In comment 14466926 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: In comment 14466920 Klaatu said: Quote: Unfortunately, patience isn't a virtue around here, and it certainly won't be for the media (particularly where Eli is concerned). This is a fan site, and people like to come on here to vent. And since that's what fan sites are for, I figure we just live with it. But I think it's good to remind everybody to take a deep breath before calling on this guy to be benches or that guy to be cut or some coach to be fired. Bill Parcells turned out to be one of the great turnaround guys in NFL history, but he had a terrible first season as head coach and in his second season only went 9-7. And he inherited a better team than Shurmur did. It's not reasonable to think this 2019 team is going to jump to 11 wins. It could happen, but it's not reasonable to expect that. I think 9 wins would be a fantastic step forward. I hear you. Hell, even Little Bill had only one winning season out of four with the Browns. But what worries me the most is if things go south fairly quickly, it's not the transition from Eli to DJ because I view that as inevitable, it's the overall effect on a pretty likable group of players. Will failure lead to infighting? Will they have to deal with another coaching change? How patient will John Mara be with Gettleman and Shurmur? Right now I figure the arrow is pointing up for the Giants, but where it's going to be pointing at the end of the season is anybody's guess.

If things go south quickly I doubt you see any of that. You'll just see DJ start on a roster with a very young team. We have a lot of players on the roster in their first, second year, and third years and they are just trying to make their mark. The vets we have here are all mature professionals, outside of JJ maybe who's play seems to match wherever the teams is at, but he isn't really a malcontent.

I have my own issues with ownership, but one thing they do right is try to keep continuity when it warrants the situation. So unless this team straight up quits and we have a revolt in the locker room (we won't that was a big part of all the moves) I'm sure DG ensured Mara that this was a 3 year overhaul and 2020 is the payoff year.

In comment 14467007 Zeke's Alibi said:

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If things go south quickly I doubt you see any of that. You'll just see DJ start on a roster with a very young team. We have a lot of players on the roster in their first, second year, and third years and they are just trying to make their mark. The vets we have here are all mature professionals, outside of JJ maybe who's play seems to match wherever the teams is at, but he isn't really a malcontent.

Yeah, I agree. I think that there's so much transition going on, nobody's going to get fired if the team is bad early in the season. There'll be a lot of carping in the media and wailing and gnashing of teeth among fans, but I think this is a "trust the process" season for DG and the coaches.

The hot seat starts once Jones (or whoever) is established as the next QB and the team isn't loaded with rookies. Then it's gonna be time to win.

There was nothing new to be encouraged about beyond the things I was already encouraged about. Hearing that Darius Slayton and CJ Conrad were making plays means zilch when there is no contact.

OTAs and minicamp are about learning the offense and defense, it's not a time for evaluating talent. The coaches may be able to tell who is smart and who isn't, who picks up things quickly and who needs to be told the same thing repeatedly, but as fans we can tell nothing from it. We can't even trust the coaches comments on who is smart and who isn't, because...well you can never trust what the coaches says publicly.

So bottomline is I considered the Giants to be the favorite to win the division before mini camp and I still do. Nothing has changed.

We could sure use a top pass rusher (I'm hoping that Golden can be that) and we need good health (perhaps at OT more so than anywhere else).

But I think that we have a chance at a .500 season this year, and a 10 or 11 win team next year after one more draft and FA period.

OBJ is a special talent who can account for a few wins almost by himself, but only when healthy. Instead we hopefully have our QB of the future, as well as a partially rebuilt defense and OL.

Maybe 9 wins

In comment 14466802 Jimmy Googs said:

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how Eli's arm has fallen off a cliff. And we already know Daniel Jones has a weak arm so not sure where Shurmur is going to turn to in order to pass the ball downfield...

Great take. Bravo.

We have so many new faces all across the team, so much new to integrate, that we shouldn't expect too much in the beginning. How many new starters on defense alone? On the back half, like last year, we will be much better unless we have injuries, as the depth is still a work in progress.

No better than 7 wins unless the defense gets surprisingly good much sooner than I expect.

June is the time to be happy about our Giants' progress. If DJ proves to be the goods, and the rest of the recent draft proves out, DG will deserve more than a few apologies from BBI. It will take some time.

to miss out on top draft picks, but not make playoffs

I feel like I can like this team more than I have in the past. Everybody showed up for practice. There doesn't seem to be ugly contract things. Players and coaches are on the same page. I can root for a veteran quarterback trying to show that he has some 2x Super Bowl MVP magic left. I can root for the underdog new quarterback. That's a win-win for me as a fan. I expect our young secondary to make mistakes, but I would prefer that to giving up. I was in San Fran to watch our defence give up to the 0-9 49ers under McAdoo. Ugh. Only giants game I've ever been to. I like that I don't have to rationalize any players behaviour. I don't have to say things like "I know he did that, but he is an awesome talent ( that we couldn't have won those 3-5 games with) . I know that I have renewed optimism every offseason since 1985 when I started as a giants fan. But... This year feels different than the last few.

until both units begin to gel.

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Ill add that we can feel very good about Jones. Regardless of what some suggest, looking good at practice is still looking good.
I'm not a pro coach, But I am a high school coach. What you see on the practice field can translate to the game field...good or bad.
Apparently hes picking up the play book and making the right reads. He played at Duke, we already know that he can withstand the bullets... He didn't have choice.

In comment 14466864 Eric from BBI said:

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Perhaps I'm being naive, but I have good feeling about this group. There will be growing pains, but I like the make-up of the squad.

^ This

and I got what I wanted. Last season's draft was outstanding. The team played hard throughout the season and that's to Shurmur and Gentlemen's credit. This last draft was a good one, too, and will especially help the D. Our QB will finally have an O Line that potentially will protect him and help the running game. Last season we did not see Odell get any separation after the catch and I wondered why that was so. As a fan, I will miss Odell, and we will all see how this will affect our O. All I want is to see our team show cohesiveness, play smart and be competitive throughout this coming season. I do think the future will be much better and if we can produce a pass rush our team will definitely be better.

When DG was hired I looked up his background as I only knew of his Giants and Carolina tenure.

Interestingly, he was a scout for those very good Bills teams in the late 80's and early 90's. He then was a scout for those great Denver teams in the late 90's.

Well the physical Giants to care of the Bill in 1990 and Denver and Elway finally got over the hump when they became a dominate run ball control team so I do believe Dave certainly sees what wins.

I expect a tough, spirited effort from our guys. Yes we are young but there is a nice blend of veterans. If Eli plays well then I expect they challenge for the division provided they have reasonable health. I also expect us to be strong on both lines for the first time in a long time.

I believe it is a better group than last year and a combination of a weak schedule, good off-season & draft, and Shurmur's second season, Giants can sneak into the playoffs. Almost ridiculously optimistic.

That this is going to be a fun year.

Barkley is the beat back in the NFL since Sanders and now has a top tier RG and no matter what the RT should be better...Wheeler or Remmers.

The so called "cancer" is gone

They might have found a diamond in the rough with there CB heavy draft.

People seem to forget Bettcher D replies on DB more then pass rushers .

I expect the d to be much better.


I could see us winning 10 plus games


(Please ignore spelling and or grammar... JD is a friend of mine)

doesn't move me one way or the other.

It's interesting, but nothing more.