How Daniel Jones is performing is underappreciated

Is a pretty positive sign that what DG and company saw when they picked him is being further confirmed on the practice field.

If they are right on DJ than going QB at 6 was absolutely the right decision over any other position considering the importance of the position.

Regarding Eli though he was considered the most polished QB to come out. I think it's a bit of apples to oranges because Eli was thrust in a very different system under TC vs the much more QB friendly one under Shurmur. Heck even a Super winning QB in Warner struggled getting rid of the ball quickly in TCs system

But I really want to see him become a star just because of how malicious everyone has been towards the pick. Shitting on the Giants is en vogue right now in the NFL community, and I’d love if Jones turns this narrative around.

Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).

or hate a pick this soon, but with Jones - so far so good.

I liked Jones. I wouldn't have drafted him at 6 but I also believe when you have a QB that just makes sense for your team you will have to go get him and that usually means overpaying in one way or another.

As far as how he is doing, it has been very good news. I'd like to see this continue when the pads come on though before I start getting excited. With that said, for as long as I can remember rookie QBs have always struggled here. We can go through all the names since Manning like Woodson, Lorenzen, Bomar, Webb, Lauletta, etc. This might be the first time ever a rookie QB has been at least been looking solid.

can be similar in that they are difficult to budge once dug in.

They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information.

Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.

In comment 14467341 Eric from BBI said:

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Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).

Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads.

But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason.

In comment 14467345 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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can be similar in that they are difficult to budge once dug in. They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information. Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.

My concern was he fit the profile so well of what they Giants look for on the surface in terms of personality and demeanor that they might have overrated the on field stuff when they watched the college film. So far that does not seem to be the case. Which is very encouraging. Next step up is to see it in live action in preseason.

Who knows I loathe DG and hated the Jones pick keeps telling me I’m going to end eating a shit sandwich. Of course, he was also adamant the NYG were going to be good in 2018 while I insisted they wouldn’t. My answer to him is always “I hope you’re right. I want to be wrong about Jones and DG”. Lighting it up in May and June does nothing for me. Keep it up in camp and in preseason and show me in games that count this fall.

In comment 14467341 Eric from BBI said:

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Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).

That first minicamp report was dreadful, and it put this place into full blown panic lol.

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Jones always checked the boxes of a potential starting quarterback.

Fans get delusional that draft order some how predicts future success and get all flustered.

When a QB is picked in any draft is more related to need in the market, and if a quarterback succeeds is very dependent on the situation he is drafted into.

Jones can be a good starter if the Giants coaching staff improves and the talent overall on offense improves.

and he's very smart. A guy that was supposed to go to Princeton! My concern with Jones, and an area that was noted as weak, is his decision-making. Lets see how he performs after learning the offense and against live NFL action. Pre-Season Football this year will be real fun to watch.

on Jones, was his thinking was slow. Not the case so far. We will see with live action.

with the Giants being ripped apart the way they were - hope Jones makes the critics look like fools. Regarding his reviews thus far - those pre-season games will be must-watch.

Sy also qualified his comments on Jones - and left plenty of room for what he didn't know about him


Count me in the group that really liked Jones pre-draft -- I liked the film I watched on him better than any of the QBs picked last year or this year -- this dude is a fighter and can deliver the goods - he can handle real adversity and is a terrific athlete

I'm still going to pooh-pooh OTA's and mini-camps.

If he were performing disastrously the Twitter sphere and giant fandom would likely have no issue citing it over and over as further proof as to what a horrible selection it was. He plays extremely well and it is immediately minimized as performing in “just shorts”. There was an article written the other day from a writer who observed Jones for 3 days in minicamp and had recent time observing Lamar Jackson and Carson Wentz and said Jones looked better than either at their respective stages of development...and this was from a national writer, not some giants homer.


Then take these statements from Giants best writers:

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Art Stapleton Verified account @art_stapleton 19h19 hours ago He's the best rookie QB that I've covered on the beat already. I've been impressed by his willingness to push the ball downfield in a practice setting. I think he might be more focused on accuracy and honing that on out routes vs air. Doesn't put a lot of velocity on those yet Art Stapleton Verified account @art_stapleton 19h19 hours ago Daniel Jones' arm strength is certainly not lacking, and this week we got a chance to see just how accurate he is downfield. If minicamp is any indication, he's really, really good. Patricia Traina: "(Daniel Jones) has clearly had the most impressive spring of the Giants drafted quarterbacks in the last decade."

it should be Haskins. However, I admitted on many threads I am not a QB guru and also said no way would Jones last until 17 if that's who they wanted. Once they picked Jones I was on board. Hoping he's everything we hoped for and more. Read on many occasions his ceiling would be a Matt Ryan comparison. I'll take that who knows maybe he'll go beyond. Yes it's early but love what I'm reading so far.

To win the starting job.it flies against everything fans preach about wanting players to hold jobs on merit.

Five by five, we're in the pipe.

Jones looks like he belongs. I did not like the pick, as conventional wisdom had him as a late first rounder, or second round pick, but I understood the Giants were sold and that was all that mattered. I felt the same way when the Giants took Engram. I thought they should have taken Ramczyk there (or ironically, Jabrill Peppers, or even Njoku), but I knew with the signing of Ellison, and the pick of Engram, the Giants had a definite plan, and he was their guy.

Anyway, here's to Daniel Jones.

Everyone hates Ron Dayne, and think he was a bust, but picking him (and I know it could have been Alexander) lit a fire under Tiki's ass, and he played like an all time great Giant after that. Maybe we see a similar thing happen here with Eli, and maybe he finds a new level of focus and consistency that keeps Jones on the sideline.

In comment 14467346 Giantz_comeback said:

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In comment 14467341 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season). Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads. But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason.

Cmon now, was Coughlin's system that much harder to grasp? I think that's reaching a bit.

Not trying to knock Eli, but every QB grasps things at their own pace, and I think the QB's who can use their feet have a bit of an advantage when they first come into the league.

how Daniel Jones is performing thus far?

In comment 14467341 Eric from BBI said:

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Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).

Keep in mind that was Gilbrides offense, you need a Warren fucking Moon caliber QB to run that o. Brady runs an o with many similarities.

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In comment 14467345 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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can be similar in that they are difficult to budge once dug in. They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information. Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.

Agree we have to wait until live action with pads on in real games, but better these impressions than the opposite.

With the drive by media and talking heads so invested in hating Gettleman, trading OBJ and other moves etc, kudos will not come our way until Jones plays well in real games. As it should be in some respects. Until that time the echo chambers on national TV and the press that hate Gettleman will turn a blind eye to Jone's progress. That's to be expected and doesn't bother people who seriously follow the team.

In comment 14467384 Jimmy Googs said:

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how Daniel Jones is performing thus far?

Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.

at #6 until proven otherwise. People look great in the batting cage and on the practice tee, too. But then the lights go on and things change. So I take these practice reports in stride.

However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks.

My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered.

The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.

In comment 14467392 Canton said:

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In comment 14467384 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: how Daniel Jones is performing thus far? Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.

Enthusiasm is lame. Much cooler to gripe and shit all over everything.

In comment 14467393 bw in dc said:

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at #6 until proven otherwise. People look great in the batting cage and on the practice tee, too. But then the lights go on and things change. So I take these practice reports in stride. However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks. My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered. The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.

7.5 is the Over/Under. I think the coaches are laying the groundwork for an early entry by Jones if Eli stumbles in the regular. Shula comments are eye opening and certainly weren't contradicted by anyone in organization.

Bottom line is jones has to show he's better. god forbid we open 1-3 to open season. all bets are off. team will do everything to avoid being irrelevant by beginning of November.

would be in Denver.I think John Elway knows QB talent. We have a future all pro.

In comment 14467392 Canton said:

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In comment 14467384 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: how Daniel Jones is performing thus far? Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.

I think there is a good bit. Clearly tempered somewhat because posters will typically caveat their opinions so as to not be too off-base.

But there is several "When will Jones take over...?" threads that are started each day.

Isn't that a form of appreciation and hope?

In comment 14467380 Glover said:

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Jones looks like he belongs. I did not like the pick, as conventional wisdom had him as a late first rounder, or second round pick, but I understood the Giants were sold and that was all that mattered. I felt the same way when the Giants took Engram. I thought they should have taken Ramczyk there (or ironically, Jabrill Peppers, or even Njoku), but I knew with the signing of Ellison, and the pick of Engram, the Giants had a definite plan, and he was their guy. Anyway, here's to Daniel Jones. Everyone hates Ron Dayne, and think he was a bust, but picking him (and I know it could have been Alexander) lit a fire under Tiki's ass, and he played like an all time great Giant after that. Maybe we see a similar thing happen here with Eli, and maybe he finds a new level of focus and consistency that keeps Jones on the sideline.

I'm going to have to disagree with your take on Tiki. He really need a few years in an NFL weight room and he started to produce before we drafted Ron Dayne. We drafted a RB because they probably never thought Tiki was going to be a 3 down RB workhorse, a fumbling playmaker that had some injury issues, but he kept adding muscle every year.

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would be in Denver.I think John Elway knows QB talent. We have a future all pro.

Is this guy underappreciating Jones too much Eric?

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In comment 14467399 gtt350 said: Quote: would be in Denver.I think John Elway knows QB talent. We have a future all pro. Is this guy underappreciating Jones too much Eric?

Over-appreciating Elway for sure.

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a couple of months before the draft. But you never know about these things. Maybe a Matt Ryan or maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Whether it be 2019 or 2020 or 2021 etc.

I don't care about any early hype. Why should I?

Let-s face it-- tow of the experts on this board (SY and David Te) weren't impressed with Jones. The guy I most value is Greg Cosell and he had rated Jones 4th and didn't believe any of the 4 QB's described a top 6 pick.

And many on here respect Gil Brandt a ton - so this year he had Allen, Oliver (Who I liked as the the 6th pick) and Sweat all rated ahead of Jones as the 6th pick. He had Jones 17 and yet last year he had Rosen 2nd overall.

I'm supposed to throw all this away because of summer hype? Why bother even having SY or David TE then - especially if others whom you value also feel in some manner what you feel?

And how often have we heard of hype only to get a major letdown? What's the last line in the below article?

"Eli Apple is going to be a stud."

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/07/new-york-giants-eli-apple-glimpse-into-future/

***There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but hopeful. I'm hopeful. I just never have liked "rah rah cheerleading" and I'm not saying this thread is that. NOT AT ALL. You see something you love in him. GREAT!!! Just saying for me I want to see wins. Hey if Jones turns out to be the 28th rated QB and yet the GMEN still win multiple SB's with him because he plays solid in the playoffs -- I'll be thrilled with Jones because winning is all that matters.

for all the bitching about value, passing on Josh Allen, Haskins, and the Cutcliffe/Mannings noise if you get a good QB at pick #6 overall it's a great pick. Period.

Jones playing well in 2 hand touch minicamp doesn't need appreciation and it doesn't mean much. But him impressing the coaches + his teammates does again allude to the underappreciated possibility that this guy may just have what it takes to be a good qb.

Guys are using their hands way more than is allowed in an NFL game. It is my one hesitation on Baker, but Eli Apple was way more handsy in college. I think CB can be the toughest position to evaluate from college to NFL because it is a completely different game out on the boundaries.

I think I'm beginning to see evidence among the media, including some of those who panned the pick, beginning to acknowledge that the Giants may have gotten it right on Jones.

I thought Pete Prisco's article last week was the best example of starting to address this subject. That hey, in person, his arm looks much stronger than advertised, and hey, in person, he looks pretty darn accurate. And that he's obviously smart AND football smart because he's picking it up fast and not repeating mistakes.

Not that I've seen anyone say "hey, I (personally) was wrong," not even Prisco, but he did say:

"What most didn't realize is that the NFL personnel people liked Jones a lot more than the draft analysts did. That's why there was the uproar. How dare a team go off-script?"

Excuse me Pete, but aren't you one of those draft analysts?

His instant analysis was to give the pick a D grade: I wanted to give this pick an 'F.' I like Daniel Jones, but I just don't like him in this spot. They must have gotten intelligence that another team was going to take him before 17. I like him, but not at No. 6. It's a strange pick this early.


Football is a prove it to me world, and Jones will have to do that in real games before anyone admits they were wrong. And even if he turns out great, some of these assholes (including those here) will still never admit they were wrong.

But as the positive reports trickle out, if you're paying attention, good signs are apparent.
Daniel Jones impressing in first Giants minicamp, but he's letting his play do the talking - ( New Window )

In comment 14467414 giantstock said:

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Whether it be 2019 or 2020 or 2021 etc. I don't care about any early hype. Why should I? Let-s face it-- tow of the experts on this board (SY and David Te) weren't impressed with Jones. The guy I most value is Greg Cosell and he had rated Jones 4th and didn't believe any of the 4 QB's described a top 6 pick. And many on here respect Gil Brandt a ton - so this year he had Allen, Oliver (Who I liked as the the 6th pick) and Sweat all rated ahead of Jones as the 6th pick. He had Jones 17 and yet last year he had Rosen 2nd overall. I'm supposed to throw all this away because of summer hype? Why bother even having SY or David TE then - especially if others whom you value also feel in some manner what you feel? And how often have we heard of hype only to get a major letdown? What's the last line in the below article? "Eli Apple is going to be a stud." https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/07/new-york-giants-eli-apple-glimpse-into-future/ ***There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but hopeful. I'm hopeful. I just never have liked "rah rah cheerleading" and I'm not saying this thread is that. NOT AT ALL. You see something you love in him. GREAT!!! Just saying for me I want to see wins. Hey if Jones turns out to be the 28th rated QB and yet the GMEN still win multiple SB's with him because he plays solid in the playoffs -- I'll be thrilled with Jones because winning is all that matters.

In comment 14467383 barens said:

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In comment 14467346 Giantz_comeback said: Quote: In comment 14467341 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season). Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads. But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason. Cmon now, was Coughlin's system that much harder to grasp? I think that's reaching a bit. Not trying to knock Eli, but every QB grasps things at their own pace, and I think the QB's who can use their feet have a bit of an advantage when they first come into the league.

One, it wasn't Coughlin's system. Two, yes. It was extremely difficult to grasp which is why nobody runs that offense now.

In comment 14467393 bw in dc said:

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at #6 until proven otherwise. People look great in the batting cage and on the practice tee, too. But then the lights go on and things change. So I take these practice reports in stride. However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks. My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered. The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.

This is a moronic sentiment. If Jones would over the next 13 years exactly duplicate the career of Peyton Manning (ironically enough, the exact QB his staunchest supporters have compared him to coming out of college), would it make sense for the Giants to start him over Eli at this stage of Eli's career?

The clear answer if you review how Peyton performed as a rookie is NO.

Eli isn't some piece of garbage at this point, despite the Giants' poor records the past 2 years. He simply isn't.

because I still want to see him throw deep outs on a line in games, more and more the athleticism of Jones and most importantly his mental makeup and approach seem to put him in a class that I'd call floor of Alex Smith and ceiling of Joe Montana.

How's that for optimism?

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To win the starting job.it flies against everything fans preach about wanting players to hold jobs on merit.

Never say never. Lots of myths go bye bye in the pro sports world.

In comment 14467429 BlueLou'sBack said:

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This is a moronic sentiment. If Jones would over the next 13 years exactly duplicate the career of Peyton Manning (ironically enough, the exact QB his staunchest supporters have compared him to coming out of college), would it make sense for the Giants to start him over Eli at this stage of Eli's career? The clear answer if you review how Peyton performed as a rookie is NO. Eli isn't some piece of garbage at this point, despite the Giants' poor records the past 2 years. He simply isn't.

I don't like, or get, the Peyton comp. They are such different players at this point. But keep in mind Peyton did start his rookie season. And he was better off for it because he gained the most critical part of adjusting to life in the NFL - experience. Especially for the QB position. Once accumulated, the game slowed down and then it was clear the Colts made the right choice.

It's the best formula in our situation because we are not winning a SB with Eli. It's just not happening. The odds are lottery-like.

So I'm not just into this sentimentality non-sense of playing an Eli Farewell Tour. The more Eli plays the less time we have to take advantage of the Jones's rookie contract and determine if Jones can indeed play.

Sorry, but that's anything but moronic.

Before we make any judgments either positive or negative about Jones. A lot of players look good in shorts in OTA’s and mini camps and crap out when real games begin. I will be rooting hard for Jones to be the real deal.