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According to Giants tight end Evan Engram, who was a spectator for all three practices, Jones is also becoming more confident by the day. “You can see him getting confident," Engram said Saturday night at the Landon Collins Charity Softball Game. "Anytime you’re coming in as a rookie, you’re going to be a little shaky or a little nervous. You kind of see him starting to brush that off, get into his groove and take advantage of everything he’s given.” Throughout last week’s practices, Jones seemed to quickly go through his progressions, get rid of the football accurately while displaying better than expected arm-strength and deep ball accuracy. Jones says that procession information quickly and going through his progressions is what he feels he’s improved on the most since being chosen No. 6 overall in the NFL Draft and has helped spawn his new found confidence. “I think just thinking quicker," Jones said. "That’s the challenge for young guys to be able of react and just play. It’s about thinking as quick as you can and making the right decision as quick as you can. I’m just working on that. ... Where some rookie quarterbacks would have a tendency to hold onto the football too long in the pocket, or force the ball into their first read, Jones has already shown an ability to read a defense and make the right throws. That hasn’t gone unnoticed by head coach Pat Shurmur. “His head is swimming much less than most rookies for a couple reasons,” Shurmur said last week. "He’s very smart, he was coached extremely well in college, he’s been around it. He’s been coached by one of the best in college. “He understands the process. Again, we call it a cat, they call it a dog, it doesn’t matter. He’s been around the process enough to know. (He’s) very perceptive, he doesn’t make the same mistake twice.” As impressive as Jones has looked, and he already seems to belong on the field as a competent NFL quarterback, he still has a long way to go before realistically having a chance to supplant veteran Eli Manning as the starting quarterback. In the meant time, Jones says he’s striving for continuously making progress in practice. “I think I improved every day [during minicamp]," Jones said. "That’s the goal. I did some things better, did some things not as good, it’s about me being consistent, and I’m learning a lot. Trying to learn as much as I can.” |
If they are right on DJ than going QB at 6 was absolutely the right decision over any other position considering the importance of the position.
Regarding Eli though he was considered the most polished QB to come out. I think it's a bit of apples to oranges because Eli was thrust in a very different system under TC vs the much more QB friendly one under Shurmur. Heck even a Super winning QB in Warner struggled getting rid of the ball quickly in TCs system
As far as how he is doing, it has been very good news. I'd like to see this continue when the pads come on though before I start getting excited. With that said, for as long as I can remember rookie QBs have always struggled here. We can go through all the names since Manning like Woodson, Lorenzen, Bomar, Webb, Lauletta, etc. This might be the first time ever a rookie QB has been at least been looking solid.
They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information.
Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.
Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads.
But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason.
They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information.
Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.
My concern was he fit the profile so well of what they Giants look for on the surface in terms of personality and demeanor that they might have overrated the on field stuff when they watched the college film. So far that does not seem to be the case. Which is very encouraging. Next step up is to see it in live action in preseason.
That first minicamp report was dreadful, and it put this place into full blown panic lol.
Fans get delusional that draft order some how predicts future success and get all flustered.
When a QB is picked in any draft is more related to need in the market, and if a quarterback succeeds is very dependent on the situation he is drafted into.
Jones can be a good starter if the Giants coaching staff improves and the talent overall on offense improves.
Count me in the group that really liked Jones pre-draft -- I liked the film I watched on him better than any of the QBs picked last year or this year -- this dude is a fighter and can deliver the goods - he can handle real adversity and is a terrific athlete
Then take these statements from Giants best writers:
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He's the best rookie QB that I've covered on the beat already. I've been impressed by his willingness to push the ball downfield in a practice setting.
I think he might be more focused on accuracy and honing that on out routes vs air. Doesn't put a lot of velocity on those yet
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Daniel Jones' arm strength is certainly not lacking, and this week we got a chance to see just how accurate he is downfield. If minicamp is any indication, he's really, really good.
Patricia Traina:
"(Daniel Jones) has clearly had the most impressive spring of the Giants drafted quarterbacks in the last decade."
Anyway, here's to Daniel Jones.
Everyone hates Ron Dayne, and think he was a bust, but picking him (and I know it could have been Alexander) lit a fire under Tiki's ass, and he played like an all time great Giant after that. Maybe we see a similar thing happen here with Eli, and maybe he finds a new level of focus and consistency that keeps Jones on the sideline.
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Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).
Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads.
But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason.
Cmon now, was Coughlin's system that much harder to grasp? I think that's reaching a bit.
Not trying to knock Eli, but every QB grasps things at their own pace, and I think the QB's who can use their feet have a bit of an advantage when they first come into the league.
Keep in mind that was Gilbrides offense, you need a Warren fucking Moon caliber QB to run that o. Brady runs an o with many similarities.
They are also alike in that they form these hard, aggressive, unbreakable opinions based on very little actual information.
Then to compound the issue they feed off of each other.
Agree we have to wait until live action with pads on in real games, but better these impressions than the opposite.
With the drive by media and talking heads so invested in hating Gettleman, trading OBJ and other moves etc, kudos will not come our way until Jones plays well in real games. As it should be in some respects. Until that time the echo chambers on national TV and the press that hate Gettleman will turn a blind eye to Jone's progress. That's to be expected and doesn't bother people who seriously follow the team.
Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.
However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks.
My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered.
The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.
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how Daniel Jones is performing thus far?
Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.
Enthusiasm is lame. Much cooler to gripe and shit all over everything.
However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks.
My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered.
The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.
7.5 is the Over/Under. I think the coaches are laying the groundwork for an early entry by Jones if Eli stumbles in the regular. Shula comments are eye opening and certainly weren't contradicted by anyone in organization.
Bottom line is jones has to show he's better. god forbid we open 1-3 to open season. all bets are off. team will do everything to avoid being irrelevant by beginning of November.
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how Daniel Jones is performing thus far?
Be enthusiastic. Have a renewed sense of hope, for our future QB.
I think there is a good bit. Clearly tempered somewhat because posters will typically caveat their opinions so as to not be too off-base.
But there is several "When will Jones take over...?" threads that are started each day.
Isn't that a form of appreciation and hope?
Anyway, here's to Daniel Jones.
Everyone hates Ron Dayne, and think he was a bust, but picking him (and I know it could have been Alexander) lit a fire under Tiki's ass, and he played like an all time great Giant after that. Maybe we see a similar thing happen here with Eli, and maybe he finds a new level of focus and consistency that keeps Jones on the sideline.
I'm going to have to disagree with your take on Tiki. He really need a few years in an NFL weight room and he started to produce before we drafted Ron Dayne. We drafted a RB because they probably never thought Tiki was going to be a 3 down RB workhorse, a fumbling playmaker that had some injury issues, but he kept adding muscle every year.
Is this guy underappreciating Jones too much Eric?
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would be in Denver.I think John Elway knows QB talent. We have a future all pro.
Is this guy underappreciating Jones too much Eric?
Over-appreciating Elway for sure.
I don't care about any early hype. Why should I?
Let-s face it-- tow of the experts on this board (SY and David Te) weren't impressed with Jones. The guy I most value is Greg Cosell and he had rated Jones 4th and didn't believe any of the 4 QB's described a top 6 pick.
And many on here respect Gil Brandt a ton - so this year he had Allen, Oliver (Who I liked as the the 6th pick) and Sweat all rated ahead of Jones as the 6th pick. He had Jones 17 and yet last year he had Rosen 2nd overall.
I'm supposed to throw all this away because of summer hype? Why bother even having SY or David TE then - especially if others whom you value also feel in some manner what you feel?
And how often have we heard of hype only to get a major letdown? What's the last line in the below article?
"Eli Apple is going to be a stud."
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/07/new-york-giants-eli-apple-glimpse-into-future/
***There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but hopeful. I'm hopeful. I just never have liked "rah rah cheerleading" and I'm not saying this thread is that. NOT AT ALL. You see something you love in him. GREAT!!! Just saying for me I want to see wins. Hey if Jones turns out to be the 28th rated QB and yet the GMEN still win multiple SB's with him because he plays solid in the playoffs -- I'll be thrilled with Jones because winning is all that matters.
Jones playing well in 2 hand touch minicamp doesn't need appreciation and it doesn't mean much. But him impressing the coaches + his teammates does again allude to the underappreciated possibility that this guy may just have what it takes to be a good qb.
I thought Pete Prisco's article last week was the best example of starting to address this subject. That hey, in person, his arm looks much stronger than advertised, and hey, in person, he looks pretty darn accurate. And that he's obviously smart AND football smart because he's picking it up fast and not repeating mistakes.
Not that I've seen anyone say "hey, I (personally) was wrong," not even Prisco, but he did say:
"What most didn't realize is that the NFL personnel people liked Jones a lot more than the draft analysts did. That's why there was the uproar. How dare a team go off-script?"
Excuse me Pete, but aren't you one of those draft analysts?
His instant analysis was to give the pick a D grade: I wanted to give this pick an 'F.' I like Daniel Jones, but I just don't like him in this spot. They must have gotten intelligence that another team was going to take him before 17. I like him, but not at No. 6. It's a strange pick this early.
Football is a prove it to me world, and Jones will have to do that in real games before anyone admits they were wrong. And even if he turns out great, some of these assholes (including those here) will still never admit they were wrong.
But as the positive reports trickle out, if you're paying attention, good signs are apparent.
Daniel Jones impressing in first Giants minicamp, but he's letting his play do the talking - ( New Window )
I don't care about any early hype. Why should I?
Let-s face it-- tow of the experts on this board (SY and David Te) weren't impressed with Jones. The guy I most value is Greg Cosell and he had rated Jones 4th and didn't believe any of the 4 QB's described a top 6 pick.
And many on here respect Gil Brandt a ton - so this year he had Allen, Oliver (Who I liked as the the 6th pick) and Sweat all rated ahead of Jones as the 6th pick. He had Jones 17 and yet last year he had Rosen 2nd overall.
I'm supposed to throw all this away because of summer hype? Why bother even having SY or David TE then - especially if others whom you value also feel in some manner what you feel?
And how often have we heard of hype only to get a major letdown? What's the last line in the below article?
"Eli Apple is going to be a stud."
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/07/new-york-giants-eli-apple-glimpse-into-future/
***There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but hopeful. I'm hopeful. I just never have liked "rah rah cheerleading" and I'm not saying this thread is that. NOT AT ALL. You see something you love in him. GREAT!!! Just saying for me I want to see wins. Hey if Jones turns out to be the 28th rated QB and yet the GMEN still win multiple SB's with him because he plays solid in the playoffs -- I'll be thrilled with Jones because winning is all that matters.
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Eli Manning was not getting these kind of positive reports in the spring 2004. (I'm not even talking about his rough rookie regular season).
Eric I agree he wasn't. But the systems were vastly different. Shurmurs system seem to get the best out of a QB. Very few were really successful running TCs system. The common denominator we saw was QBs holding the ball too long trying to process all the reads.
But this doesnt take away from what Jones is showing right now. It's quite encouraging. The next step up is to see it in preseason.
Cmon now, was Coughlin's system that much harder to grasp? I think that's reaching a bit.
Not trying to knock Eli, but every QB grasps things at their own pace, and I think the QB's who can use their feet have a bit of an advantage when they first come into the league.
One, it wasn't Coughlin's system. Two, yes. It was extremely difficult to grasp which is why nobody runs that offense now.
However, at least the news is good rather than Jones can’t hit the broad side of a barn and throws too many picks.
My position on this hasn’t changed - by taking Jones at #6 Jints Central has declared this guy a pro bowl caliber player. So with a decrepit QB, a rookie salary, and a time when the league has never been this QB friendly, Jones needs to start game one. And we need to stop this farce that Eli is still entitled to start for services rendered.
The sooner we figure who Jones is - boom or bust - the better for this organization to plan.
This is a moronic sentiment. If Jones would over the next 13 years exactly duplicate the career of Peyton Manning (ironically enough, the exact QB his staunchest supporters have compared him to coming out of college), would it make sense for the Giants to start him over Eli at this stage of Eli's career?
The clear answer if you review how Peyton performed as a rookie is NO.
Eli isn't some piece of garbage at this point, despite the Giants' poor records the past 2 years. He simply isn't.
How's that for optimism?
Never say never. Lots of myths go bye bye in the pro sports world.
This is a moronic sentiment. If Jones would over the next 13 years exactly duplicate the career of Peyton Manning (ironically enough, the exact QB his staunchest supporters have compared him to coming out of college), would it make sense for the Giants to start him over Eli at this stage of Eli's career?
The clear answer if you review how Peyton performed as a rookie is NO.
Eli isn't some piece of garbage at this point, despite the Giants' poor records the past 2 years. He simply isn't.
I don't like, or get, the Peyton comp. They are such different players at this point. But keep in mind Peyton did start his rookie season. And he was better off for it because he gained the most critical part of adjusting to life in the NFL - experience. Especially for the QB position. Once accumulated, the game slowed down and then it was clear the Colts made the right choice.
It's the best formula in our situation because we are not winning a SB with Eli. It's just not happening. The odds are lottery-like.
So I'm not just into this sentimentality non-sense of playing an Eli Farewell Tour. The more Eli plays the less time we have to take advantage of the Jones's rookie contract and determine if Jones can indeed play.
Sorry, but that's anything but moronic.