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NFT: A little pre-game Mets-Yankees talk: Marcus Stroman

Jints in Carolina : 6/10/2019 8:23 am
Why Blue Jays’ Marcus Stroman makes sense for Yankees:

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This week’s big rumor? Toronto Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman (14 starts, 3.31 ERA) in connection with the Yankees—a team that desperately needs more starting pitching depth.

Here’s why Stroman, 28, makes sense for the co-AL East leaders.

Club control: Unlike a rental, Stroman comes under team control through the 2020 season. That means two pennant chases in pinstripes. The price won’t be small for a player like this, but it likely also won’t be as large as the haul the Yankees surrendered for Sonny Gray in 2017.

Big-game feel: Stroman has never had the opportunity to play in a big game on this stage, but just comes across as the type of pitcher that would rise to the occasion. Plus, he’s from Long Island and could be lifted up by the chance to pitch in New York.

Right-handed Keuchel: If you’re looking for a comparison for Stroman, it’s probably fair to call him a right-handed version of the pitcher the Yankees just chased in free agency: Good movement, ground ball-heavy arsenal, not overly-reliant on strikeouts.


Thoughts? I for one an intrigued with Stroman.


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Good for Mateo  
Kyle in NY : 6/10/2019 9:30 am : link
still early, but he may be the last chance to salvage that trade for both sides. Fowler didn't hit at all in the majors and Kap just can't stay healthy. Sonny was obviously a bust for us
Kaprielian is actually pitching again  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 9:44 am : link
He's made four starts in High A, his first pro appearances in three years.

Fowler had a Tyler Wade-like season in Oakland, but he's still only 24. Doing ok, nothing special but decent, in Las Vegas, .282/.341/.444.
RE: speaking of the Gray deal....  
rich in DC : 6/10/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14467959 Greg from LI said:
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Jorge Mateo is killing it this year. With the caveat that he's playing for offense-boosting Las Vegas, he's put up a .330/.361/.578 line with 10 HR, 11(!) 3B and 15 2B. His stolen base prowess has been off, though, caught seven times against 14 steals.


THIS is the story of Mateo's career- he goes on these insane hot streaks that last several months- then, poof- it vanishes and he struggles for very extended periods of time that can sometimes last entire seasons. He had extended hot streaks in 2015 and 2017 (which coincidently took place just before he got traded), but then cooled off and stalled.
RE: Theoretically  
BH28 : 6/10/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14467951 Kyle in NY said:
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Stroman should be a reasonable price in a trade. Giants will ask for the moon for Bumgarner, they'll certainly ask about Torres even though we'd shoot that down. But that's what they'll be thinking given his track record and what he means to the franchise.

Stroman I would think has a slightly lesser reputation than what Sonny Gray had at the time of that trade. So unless the trading within the division tax is exorbitant, I would think the package in return shouldn't exceed what we gave up for Sonny, which has proven to be pretty reasonable.


Giants don't really have a lot of leverage for Bumgarner; he is a FA after this year. They should have moved him last year. It's gotta be less than what the Astros gave up for Verlander.
If I were Cashman, I'd aim a different direction  
rich in DC : 6/10/2019 10:18 am : link
I think you need to get a guy with a little more team control and higher upside.

One guy- might not even be available, but you have to ask- is Andrew Heaney from the Angels. He has had health issues- but he has been VERY good when he pitches. The Angels farm system has been weak for years and the Yanks can give them some solid guys to jump start the rebuild. However, the Angels want to add arms, not subtract. Might have to overwhelm them- and their GM worked for the Yanks and knows their farm system well.

Another guy- ironically, one they traded away a couple years ago- Caleb Smith from the Marlins. He has tons of team control- but has been outstanding there. He has a hip issue much like German right now- but should be back soon. He would likely have a HUGE price tag- legit SP on their rookie deals carry BIG value. However, he would likely be a solid add- upside might only be #3/#4 SP- but has swing and miss stuff to go with a GB focus. The Marlins are YEARS from contending and would likely focus on getting "now" players to show something for all the trades.

A final one- Marco Gonzales from the Mariners. He is a lower-upside guy, as he is a sinker/GB pitcher. However, he keeps the HR down and the ball on the ground, and with the Yanks good INF defense, he might be good in NY. He has had some issues with command this season, resulting in a lot of extra walks which has not helped him- as he gives up a lot of hits with that GB focus. On the other hand, he started out hot when the M's were competitive- getting 5 early wins. He has lost a lot of games as the M's have been bad lately- though he was as much at fault as the offense was in several of those games.

RE: I have always liked  
Beer Man : 6/10/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14467903 section125 said:
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Stroman. But they mentioned Cashner from the Orioles too. He would likely be cheaper and I like his makeup. Looks like a tough quiet competitor.

Comes down to what it will cost. I'm not really interested in Bumgarner - too many miles and the cost will be too high. Stroman will likely cost Estrada or Frazier or likely both, neither of whom I would want to give up. I can actually see Frazier in LF next year. I think the fielding problems are temporary. I did not realize he was drafted as a 3B. His bat is legit. Guy has 11 HR and 32 RBI missing time. He sees the zone well and is disciplined like Voit and LeMahieu.

When Judge and Stanton come back, I think there will be a big problem (a good one) over what to do. Maybin is just playing well and can play anywhere in the OF. Frazier is such a good batter. If Gardy wasn't the de Facto captain he may have been the victim(although he has been making really solid contact with a lot of bad luck). Unfortunately, the only viable option is to send Frazier to SWB to play everyday and improve his defense.

Also to beat a dead horse, Morrison and Ford have been raking at SWB and Morales is still being trotted out there to swing and miss.....
Estrada may be the odd man out due to the glut of infielders in front of him.
for Mets fans  
Rory : 6/10/2019 11:29 am : link
when is the cut off for trading Wheeler?

If this team doesn't survive its next big stretch over the next few weeks at what point do the Mets start entertaining offers for him and Thor.

If we go the other way and make a run, how much does it take to land a bullpen piece like Holland or Giles assuming they would even want to come to NY with Diaz closing?
RE: for Mets fans  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14468091 Rory said:
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when is the cut off for trading Wheeler?

If this team doesn't survive its next big stretch over the next few weeks at what point do the Mets start entertaining offers for him and Thor.

If we go the other way and make a run, how much does it take to land a bullpen piece like Holland or Giles assuming they would even want to come to NY with Diaz closing?


If they aren't over .500 in July they need to be listening.

But as they are listening they need to maintain a high bar to deal him. Considering they just added a guy in the 3rd rd of last week's draft who may be 1 of their top 5 prospects right away, any trade return needs to be for a piece they are really excited about (a la JD Davis). The compensation attached to Wheeler in the offseason could a) cool his FA market as it did for Keuchel or b) maneuver the draft to get a solid prospect - so there's actually some upside to keeping him. Even a leg up trying to resign him in the offseason would be better than accepting another crap return like the Familia deal last year.
Why do Mets fans think they'll get a lot for Wheeler??  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 12:02 pm : link
He had a great second half last year, but went right back to mediocrity this year. Over the course of his entire (injury-riddled) career, his numbers are slightly below average.
RE: Why do Mets fans think they'll get a lot for Wheeler??  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14468121 Greg from LI said:
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He had a great second half last year, but went right back to mediocrity this year. Over the course of his entire (injury-riddled) career, his numbers are slightly below average.


Who said they will get a lot for him? What he's worth to them and what the market will pay are different things. Most Met fans preference is to resign him.
RE: Why do Mets fans think they'll get a lot for Wheeler??  
Metnut : 6/10/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14468121 Greg from LI said:
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He had a great second half last year, but went right back to mediocrity this year. Over the course of his entire (injury-riddled) career, his numbers are slightly below average.


The Mets might not get a lot for Wheeler, but you have no clue what you're talking about here. He put up 4.2 fWAR last year. All he's done since then is increase in k/9 (right at 10) and lower his bb/9 in 2019. He's had some bad batted ball reuslts but his XFIP is actually lower than last year.

He's doing exactly the same thing he did last year. On pace for an even better season actually as he's pitching deeper into games.

Do you really think a GM looking to trade for him is going to give a shit about his ERA and the Mets shitty defense? This isn't the 1990s.

Compare Wheeler's 2019 metrics to Bumgarner, Stroman or anyone else who might be on the market. Wheeler outperforms them.

Bumgarner all the way  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 12:29 pm : link
Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.
RE: Bumgarner all the way  
section125 : 6/10/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said:
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Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.


Yeah great. Need to get there 1st. He would likely be a 1/2 rental because the Yanks would not be signing him as a FA. They are not giving up top prospects for a short term lease.

I'm looking forward to two games  
allstarjim : 6/10/2019 12:35 pm : link
with both Dom and Alonso in the lineup.

This Mets team isn't going to roll over on the Yankees...DH is really going to help the Mets out in the next two.
RE: I'm looking forward to two games  
Metnut : 6/10/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14468158 allstarjim said:
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with both Dom and Alonso in the lineup.

This Mets team isn't going to roll over on the Yankees...DH is really going to help the Mets out in the next two.


With the small OF there, they should try and get Dom, Alonso and Davis all in there.

I'm worried Yankees will light up Vargas, but Tanaka is super-prone to the gopher ball this year himself and Mets can hopefully take him deep a few times. Should be an interesting one tonight.
this game might not even be played  
Jints in Carolina : 6/10/2019 12:44 pm : link
lots of rain in the forecast.
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Jints in Carolina : 6/10/2019 12:46 pm : link
RE: Why do Mets fans think they'll get a lot for Wheeler??  
giantsFC : 6/10/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14468121 Greg from LI said:
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He had a great second half last year, but went right back to mediocrity this year. Over the course of his entire (injury-riddled) career, his numbers are slightly below average.


Idk, I been asking this all week as a mets fan and I get called a troll. A few Mets fans can see past the subjectivity of being a fan. But not many.

Yeah he is pitching decent this year. But his body of work and the fact he is a FA makes me think another mediocre reliever haul for him.

Unless he starts stacking up wins and puts up ace-like numbers the next months then he isn’t much better then average as a risk.

And we know the Coupons won’t re-sign him
Some bad batted ball results?  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 1:06 pm : link
Yeah, that happens when your hard contact goes from 24% last year to 30% this year. And in his dominant second half of last year, it was 21%.

I'm not a big believer in either FIP or xFIP as a predictive tool. A guy like Michael Pineda looked great for years by those measures but the results on the field weren't great because when he did get hit, he got hit hard, and that's the case with Wheeler.

Wheeler, aside from half of last season, is a tease. Always has been, likely always will be.
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allstarjim : 6/10/2019 1:19 pm : link
Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees"

Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be."

Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9

Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9

Go figure.
I'd love Stroman, but the Jays would put on a heavy Yankees tax.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/10/2019 1:33 pm : link
I would like Bumgarner if the Giants would be realistic about what the return should be. I doubt they would.
Toronto thinks Cashman screwed them on the Happ deal  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/10/2019 1:38 pm : link
Drury had yet another mystery injury once he got there and Toronto was making noises about demanding compensation. I agree with Greg that he's the best guy out there. He's young, he's under control, he knows the AL East and he's from New York. But he won't be cheap. I'd trade Frazier straight up in a minute, but I don't think it will be enough.
RE: .  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14468237 allstarjim said:
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Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees"

Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be."

Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9

Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9

Go figure.


I already explained why I don't really give a shit about FIP. Also, one pitches in the AL East, one pitches in the NL East. Which do you think is a more difficult environment for a pitcher?
Why the obsession re wheeler? Met fans mostly prefer not trading him  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 1:51 pm : link
We only discuss it because our owners are too cheap to negotiate an extension now and our team may be out of it. And even then we don't have to trade him, they can still try to resign him in the offseason and take the comp pick if he walks.
Alright switch gears for Mets  
Rory : 6/10/2019 2:10 pm : link
They go the other way and become buyers. Not sure we need a SP just yet, Ervin Santana signing was interesting

Bullpen needs help but a return of Justin Wilson and maybe some 2nd half bounce back from Familia could lessen the need. Love Lugo and Diaz, would love to get a flame thrower like Giles behind Diaz and use Familia situationaly until he get his slider and splitter back. Move Gsellman to long relief.

SS could be interesting, I worry about Rosario's defense as SS and wonder if Jed Lowrie could eventually move Rosario to CF. Of course Lowrie would need to be healthy

a ++ defensive SS would be a big impact but not sure selling Rosario  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 2:19 pm : link
is the right move. He keeps improving and he has a ton of ability. That's more of an offseason type move.

The ideal move for them would be adding a versatile pitcher like Mike Minor who could slot into a variety of roles. Kind of like a lefty version of Lugo. He's having a big year and he has 1 more year of cheap team control so he'd probably cost something significant. Like Dom Smith.

The alternative and probably most likely scenario would be to just add some depth pitchers having good years from teams that are out of it. Maybe a Shane Greene or Tony Watson makes sense. Those guys will likely go for comparable packages to Familia last year.

But first Callaway has to get the current group show a pulse and do more than win a series here and there.
Stroman won’t be cheap  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/10/2019 2:31 pm : link
Toronto thinks Cashman screwed them on the Happ deal. Drury had another mystery injury once he got there and Toronto was making noises about compensation. I agree Stroman is the best guy out there. He’s young, he’s from the AL east and he’s from NewYork. But it’s going to take a lot more than Frazier to get him
RE: RE: Bumgarner all the way  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14468157 section125 said:
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In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said:


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Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.



Yeah great. Need to get there 1st. He would likely be a 1/2 rental because the Yanks would not be signing him as a FA. They are not giving up top prospects for a short term lease.


I know there are hurdles in getting him. But, he's the best guy for the yankees this year. Not high on Stroman. Would love Scherzer, but that deal would be complicated with the 246 tax line and prospect cost. Cashman has botched starting pitching for so long now.
RE: Alright switch gears for Mets  
giantsFC : 6/10/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14468284 Rory said:
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They go the other way and become buyers. Not sure we need a SP just yet, Ervin Santana signing was interesting

Bullpen needs help but a return of Justin Wilson and maybe some 2nd half bounce back from Familia could lessen the need. Love Lugo and Diaz, would love to get a flame thrower like Giles behind Diaz and use Familia situationaly until he get his slider and splitter back. Move Gsellman to long relief.

SS could be interesting, I worry about Rosario's defense as SS and wonder if Jed Lowrie could eventually move Rosario to CF. Of course Lowrie would need to be healthy
th y gotta get 5-6 games above .500 for me to even consider buying and giving up what’s left of limited young talent.

I strongly feel firing Callaway a month ago would have produced 5 more wins.
I could see the Mets  
Metnut : 6/10/2019 2:45 pm : link
having a deadline similar to the Islanders if they stay on the periphery of the race. Just standing pat. The minor league talent is too thin to give much up. On the other hand, "selling" doesn't really make sense if you're within 5 games of a playoff spot.
RE: that's a fair statement  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14467964 Greg from LI said:
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We need pitching. Strohman might be better than Keuchel right now.
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allstarjim : 6/10/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14468259 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14468237 allstarjim said:


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Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees"

Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be."

Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9

Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9

Go figure.



I already explained why I don't really give a shit about FIP. Also, one pitches in the AL East, one pitches in the NL East. Which do you think is a more difficult environment for a pitcher?


Fuckin' lame. "But but but I don't LIKE that stat!"

And btw, Wheeler pitching in the NL East definitely has had it tougher. More teams with deeper offenses in the NL East than the AL East, who have the Yankees and Red Sox.

The NL East have the worst offense in baseball in the Marlins, but the other 3 teams are really good offensively.

And Stroman has 3 starts vs AL East opponents this year, 1 vs the Red Sox, 1 vs the Rays, and 1 vs the Orioles...give me a break.

On the flip side, Wheeler has already faced the Nationals 4 times, the Braves once, and the Phillies twice (as well as a start vs the Marlins). There is zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.

I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.
I was in on Stroman two years ago  
adamg : 6/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
He'd be fun guy to have in NY. Just as a baseball fan.
Oh my goodness, he's faced the NATIONALS four times?  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 5:11 pm : link
Real fuckin' powerhouse there. Rendon, Soto, and a bunch of garbage scrubs.
Starts:  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/10/2019 5:25 pm : link
Stroman has appeared in 128 career games, and made 122 career starts. 29 of those 122 career starts have come against the Yanks or Red Sox (~24% career starts).

Offenses:
2018 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#1- Boston
#2- Yankees
#16- Tampa
#27- Baltimore

#7- Washington
#11- Atlanta
#21- Philly
#30- Miami

2017 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#2- Yankees
#10- Red Sox
#16- Baltimore
#25- Tampa Bay

#6- Washington
#12- Miami
#20- Atlanta
#27- Philly

2014 Offenses by Runs Per Game (Wheeler didn't pitch in 2015/2016):
#8- Baltimore
#18- Red Sox
#20- Yankees
#27- Tampa Bay

#9- Washington
#16- Miami
#23- Phillies
#28- Atlanta

The Nats are currently in the bottom half of the league this year in offense (#16 overall). Wheeler has actually only faced one current top 10 offenses in baseball to date (Arizona):
Nationals (x4)- 16th
Braves- 13th
Phillies (x3)- 15th
Reds- 20th
Brewers- 12th
Marlins- 30th
Tigers- 29th
DBacks- 8th
Giants- 27th

Stroman:
Tigers- 29th
Orioles- 25th
Indians- 24th
Tampa Bay- 17th
Oakland (x2)- 14th
Angels- 11th
Twins- 1st
White Sox- 21st
Red Sox- 6th
Padres- 26th
Rockies- 3rd
DBacks- 8th

But yes, there is "zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a tougher slate."
Forgetting White Sox (x2) for Stroman, not once...  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/10/2019 5:34 pm : link
Just one step further, that's an average of offensive rank #17.7 for Wheeler, while facing a National League lineup in 13 of 14 starts, with the pitcher in the order.

Stroman would be at an average offensive rank of #15.7 (using CWSx2), while facing an American League lineup in 11 of 14 starts.
RE: Bumgarner all the way  
Eman11 : 6/10/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said:
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Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.


Right there with you. He's the guy I want. I like Sherzer too but his contract is a big stumbling block unless the Nats kick in a bunch of his deferred money.

MadBum is only 29 and its true, he shines when the lights are the brightest. I have no reservations about him handling NYC and in fact think he'll thrive pitching here. I could easily see him being our answer to Verlander.

As far as him getting on the Dodger guy last night, I say let's be honest here, when CC gives guys shit for attempting to bunt on him we love it. If MadBum told somebody to run out his HR while in pinstripes we'd all love him for it and get a kick out of it.

He's just another feisty old school competitor and I'd rather have someone like that who gives other guys shit than someone who's going to just take it.
Bunch of Yanks nuggets from Cash's interview  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/10/2019 6:04 pm : link
- Yanks have signed 1st rounder Anthony Volpe
- Nothing of concern with German's MRI
- Hopeful that Sevy can return after the All-Star Break
- Judge is ramping up against a high velocity machine and could potentially play in a rehab game this weekend
- Team has received a lot of inquiries on Thairo Estrada. Cash thinks he can be an everyday SS on an MLB team.
- Stanton starting his rehab assignment tomorrow in High A Tampa, play there Tuesday/Wednesday, rest Thursday, then move up to AAA Scranton on Friday. Thinking a week's worth of rehab games.

Props to all the Yankee beats covering this stuff.
RE: Bunch of Yanks nuggets from Cash's interview  
section125 : 6/10/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14468509 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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- Yanks have signed 1st rounder Anthony Volpe
- Nothing of concern with German's MRI
- Hopeful that Sevy can return after the All-Star Break
- Judge is ramping up against a high velocity machine and could potentially play in a rehab game this weekend
- Team has received a lot of inquiries on Thairo Estrada. Cash thinks he can be an everyday SS on an MLB team.
- Stanton starting his rehab assignment tomorrow in High A Tampa, play there Tuesday/Wednesday, rest Thursday, then move up to AAA Scranton on Friday. Thinking a week's worth of rehab games.

Props to all the Yankee beats covering this stuff.


Cross the fingers, knock on wood, stroke the rabbit's foot, and use Holy Water...
Didn’t  
mitch300 : 6/10/2019 6:28 pm : link
Betances have an MRI today?
RE: RE: RE: .  
giantsFC : 6/10/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14468441 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14468259 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 14468237 allstarjim said:




I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.


I don’t know what subway series’ you been watching the last 20 years, but the Mets can’t even gently tap the Yankees most of the time.

RE: RE: Bumgarner all the way  
Vanzetti : 6/10/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14468484 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said:


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Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.



Right there with you. He's the guy I want. I like Sherzer too but his contract is a big stumbling block unless the Nats kick in a bunch of his deferred money.

MadBum is only 29 and its true, he shines when the lights are the brightest. I have no reservations about him handling NYC and in fact think he'll thrive pitching here. I could easily see him being our answer to Verlander.

As far as him getting on the Dodger guy last night, I say let's be honest here, when CC gives guys shit for attempting to bunt on him we love it. If MadBum told somebody to run out his HR while in pinstripes we'd all love him for it and get a kick out of it.

He's just another feisty old school competitor and I'd rather have someone like that who gives other guys shit than someone who's going to just take it.


MadBum might not be as dominant post-shoulder injury but he was always a guy who turned it up in the postseason. Like Jeter.
Estrada and Frazier for Scherzer?  
adamg : 6/10/2019 7:10 pm : link
How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.
RE: Estrada and Frazier for Scherzer?  
Eman11 : 6/10/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14468562 adamg said:
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How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.


Pretty sure the deferred money doesn't start until 2022 (might be 2023) he'll be getting 15 mil a year for seven years once that starts for a total of 105 Mil.

Plus what's left on his deal now. We'd pay the pro rated remainder for this year plus 20+ mil a year for the next two. In effect the Yanks would be paying close to 150 mil for 2.5-3 years of service unless the Nats kick in, which I'm sure the Yanks would insist on.
Minor is a good call for the Mets pen  
ZGiants98 : 6/10/2019 7:51 pm : link
As a deadline target. I wanted him in the offseason. The Mets need another bat though too. It was fun dreaming on what Cespedes could add at the halfway mark if he made it back but that dream is dead. Cano is underperforming (still might get hot as he's traditionally a second half guy). We cant rely on what we have and more importantly on what we have to stay healthy. Add another bat to the mix and minor and I'd feel really good about us making a late run.
RE: Estrada and Frazier for Scherzer?  
RasputinPrime : 6/10/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14468562 adamg said:
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How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.


With his contract and his showing signs of decline this year, i'd imagine everyone will proceed with caution. We already have Stanton signed for another 36 years of biceps and shoulder concerns.
Any explanation why they went Day/night DH tomorrow  
MetsAreBack : 6/10/2019 9:25 pm : link
When both teams have Wednesday off and an easy travel schedule Thursday? I’d be annoyed if I was a Yankees season ticket holder right now.
RE: Starts:  
allstarjim : 6/10/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14468468 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
Quote:
Stroman has appeared in 128 career games, and made 122 career starts. 29 of those 122 career starts have come against the Yanks or Red Sox (~24% career starts).

Offenses:
2018 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#1- Boston
#2- Yankees
#16- Tampa
#27- Baltimore

#7- Washington
#11- Atlanta
#21- Philly
#30- Miami

2017 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#2- Yankees
#10- Red Sox
#16- Baltimore
#25- Tampa Bay

#6- Washington
#12- Miami
#20- Atlanta
#27- Philly

2014 Offenses by Runs Per Game (Wheeler didn't pitch in 2015/2016):
#8- Baltimore
#18- Red Sox
#20- Yankees
#27- Tampa Bay

#9- Washington
#16- Miami
#23- Phillies
#28- Atlanta

The Nats are currently in the bottom half of the league this year in offense (#16 overall). Wheeler has actually only faced one current top 10 offenses in baseball to date (Arizona):
Nationals (x4)- 16th
Braves- 13th
Phillies (x3)- 15th
Reds- 20th
Brewers- 12th
Marlins- 30th
Tigers- 29th
DBacks- 8th
Giants- 27th

Stroman:
Tigers- 29th
Orioles- 25th
Indians- 24th
Tampa Bay- 17th
Oakland (x2)- 14th
Angels- 11th
Twins- 1st
White Sox- 21st
Red Sox- 6th
Padres- 26th
Rockies- 3rd
DBacks- 8th

But yes, there is "zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a tougher slate."


Wow that was a lot of work for shit that don't matter, since we were talking about the context of this year, ffs.
Your comment  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/11/2019 9:53 am : link
included Greg stating that he he's long wanted Stroman on the Yanks...my information just showed the offenses that Stroman has consistenly faced throughout his career, being a career AL Easter.

And yes, the whole bottom portion would still remain true for the context of this year, and the offenses each have faced this year. Your comment included a certainty of Wheeler facing the tougher slate, with "zero question about it," when the facts simply don't back that up.
Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2019 9:59 am : link
I thought the Yankee game threads brought a lot of strange comments:

Quote:
Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.


Ummmm. No he hasn't. And the NL East is not better offensively that the AL East. It isn't even arguable.
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