NFT: A little pre-game Mets-Yankees talk: Marcus Stroman

having a deadline similar to the Islanders if they stay on the periphery of the race. Just standing pat. The minor league talent is too thin to give much up. On the other hand, "selling" doesn't really make sense if you're within 5 games of a playoff spot.

In comment 14467964 Greg from LI said:

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We need pitching. Strohman might be better than Keuchel right now.

In comment 14468259 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14468237 allstarjim said: Quote: Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees" Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be." Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9 Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9 Go figure. I already explained why I don't really give a shit about FIP. Also, one pitches in the AL East, one pitches in the NL East. Which do you think is a more difficult environment for a pitcher?

Fuckin' lame. "But but but I don't LIKE that stat!"

And btw, Wheeler pitching in the NL East definitely has had it tougher. More teams with deeper offenses in the NL East than the AL East, who have the Yankees and Red Sox.

The NL East have the worst offense in baseball in the Marlins, but the other 3 teams are really good offensively.

And Stroman has 3 starts vs AL East opponents this year, 1 vs the Red Sox, 1 vs the Rays, and 1 vs the Orioles...give me a break.

On the flip side, Wheeler has already faced the Nationals 4 times, the Braves once, and the Phillies twice (as well as a start vs the Marlins). There is zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.

I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.

He'd be fun guy to have in NY. Just as a baseball fan.

Real fuckin' powerhouse there. Rendon, Soto, and a bunch of garbage scrubs.

Stroman has appeared in 128 career games, and made 122 career starts. 29 of those 122 career starts have come against the Yanks or Red Sox (~24% career starts).

Offenses:
2018 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#1- Boston
#2- Yankees
#16- Tampa
#27- Baltimore

#7- Washington
#11- Atlanta
#21- Philly
#30- Miami

2017 Offenses by Runs Per Game:
#2- Yankees
#10- Red Sox
#16- Baltimore
#25- Tampa Bay

#6- Washington
#12- Miami
#20- Atlanta
#27- Philly

2014 Offenses by Runs Per Game (Wheeler didn't pitch in 2015/2016):
#8- Baltimore
#18- Red Sox
#20- Yankees
#27- Tampa Bay

#9- Washington
#16- Miami
#23- Phillies
#28- Atlanta

The Nats are currently in the bottom half of the league this year in offense (#16 overall). Wheeler has actually only faced one current top 10 offenses in baseball to date (Arizona):
Nationals (x4)- 16th
Braves- 13th
Phillies (x3)- 15th
Reds- 20th
Brewers- 12th
Marlins- 30th
Tigers- 29th
DBacks- 8th
Giants- 27th

Stroman:
Tigers- 29th
Orioles- 25th
Indians- 24th
Tampa Bay- 17th
Oakland (x2)- 14th
Angels- 11th
Twins- 1st
White Sox- 21st
Red Sox- 6th
Padres- 26th
Rockies- 3rd
DBacks- 8th

But yes, there is "zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a tougher slate."

Just one step further, that's an average of offensive rank #17.7 for Wheeler, while facing a National League lineup in 13 of 14 starts, with the pitcher in the order.

Stroman would be at an average offensive rank of #15.7 (using CWSx2), while facing an American League lineup in 11 of 14 starts.

In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said:

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Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade.

Right there with you. He's the guy I want. I like Sherzer too but his contract is a big stumbling block unless the Nats kick in a bunch of his deferred money.

MadBum is only 29 and its true, he shines when the lights are the brightest. I have no reservations about him handling NYC and in fact think he'll thrive pitching here. I could easily see him being our answer to Verlander.

As far as him getting on the Dodger guy last night, I say let's be honest here, when CC gives guys shit for attempting to bunt on him we love it. If MadBum told somebody to run out his HR while in pinstripes we'd all love him for it and get a kick out of it.

He's just another feisty old school competitor and I'd rather have someone like that who gives other guys shit than someone who's going to just take it.

- Yanks have signed 1st rounder Anthony Volpe
- Nothing of concern with German's MRI
- Hopeful that Sevy can return after the All-Star Break
- Judge is ramping up against a high velocity machine and could potentially play in a rehab game this weekend
- Team has received a lot of inquiries on Thairo Estrada. Cash thinks he can be an everyday SS on an MLB team.
- Stanton starting his rehab assignment tomorrow in High A Tampa, play there Tuesday/Wednesday, rest Thursday, then move up to AAA Scranton on Friday. Thinking a week's worth of rehab games.

Props to all the Yankee beats covering this stuff.

In comment 14468509 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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- Yanks have signed 1st rounder Anthony Volpe - Nothing of concern with German's MRI - Hopeful that Sevy can return after the All-Star Break - Judge is ramping up against a high velocity machine and could potentially play in a rehab game this weekend - Team has received a lot of inquiries on Thairo Estrada. Cash thinks he can be an everyday SS on an MLB team. - Stanton starting his rehab assignment tomorrow in High A Tampa, play there Tuesday/Wednesday, rest Thursday, then move up to AAA Scranton on Friday. Thinking a week's worth of rehab games. Props to all the Yankee beats covering this stuff.

Cross the fingers, knock on wood, stroke the rabbit's foot, and use Holy Water...

Betances have an MRI today?

In comment 14468441 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14468259 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14468237 allstarjim said: I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.

I don’t know what subway series’ you been watching the last 20 years, but the Mets can’t even gently tap the Yankees most of the time.

In comment 14468484 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14468152 Nine-Tails said: Quote: Yes, I do agree with the concerns of switching from NL to AL and his numbers not as elite as beofre. But, when the lights shine brightest, this man comes through. Best postseason pitcher of the decade. Right there with you. He's the guy I want. I like Sherzer too but his contract is a big stumbling block unless the Nats kick in a bunch of his deferred money. MadBum is only 29 and its true, he shines when the lights are the brightest. I have no reservations about him handling NYC and in fact think he'll thrive pitching here. I could easily see him being our answer to Verlander. As far as him getting on the Dodger guy last night, I say let's be honest here, when CC gives guys shit for attempting to bunt on him we love it. If MadBum told somebody to run out his HR while in pinstripes we'd all love him for it and get a kick out of it. He's just another feisty old school competitor and I'd rather have someone like that who gives other guys shit than someone who's going to just take it.

MadBum might not be as dominant post-shoulder injury but he was always a guy who turned it up in the postseason. Like Jeter.

How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.

In comment 14468562 adamg said:

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How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.

Pretty sure the deferred money doesn't start until 2022 (might be 2023) he'll be getting 15 mil a year for seven years once that starts for a total of 105 Mil.

Plus what's left on his deal now. We'd pay the pro rated remainder for this year plus 20+ mil a year for the next two. In effect the Yanks would be paying close to 150 mil for 2.5-3 years of service unless the Nats kick in, which I'm sure the Yanks would insist on.

As a deadline target. I wanted him in the offseason. The Mets need another bat though too. It was fun dreaming on what Cespedes could add at the halfway mark if he made it back but that dream is dead. Cano is underperforming (still might get hot as he's traditionally a second half guy). We cant rely on what we have and more importantly on what we have to stay healthy. Add another bat to the mix and minor and I'd feel really good about us making a late run.

In comment 14468562 adamg said:

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How much more would we need to sweeten it than that? Scherzer's contract is a big concern now that those deferred years have arrived.

With his contract and his showing signs of decline this year, i'd imagine everyone will proceed with caution. We already have Stanton signed for another 36 years of biceps and shoulder concerns.

When both teams have Wednesday off and an easy travel schedule Thursday? I’d be annoyed if I was a Yankees season ticket holder right now.

In comment 14468468 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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Stroman has appeared in 128 career games, and made 122 career starts. 29 of those 122 career starts have come against the Yanks or Red Sox (~24% career starts). Offenses: 2018 Offenses by Runs Per Game: #1- Boston #2- Yankees #16- Tampa #27- Baltimore #7- Washington #11- Atlanta #21- Philly #30- Miami 2017 Offenses by Runs Per Game: #2- Yankees #10- Red Sox #16- Baltimore #25- Tampa Bay #6- Washington #12- Miami #20- Atlanta #27- Philly 2014 Offenses by Runs Per Game (Wheeler didn't pitch in 2015/2016): #8- Baltimore #18- Red Sox #20- Yankees #27- Tampa Bay #9- Washington #16- Miami #23- Phillies #28- Atlanta The Nats are currently in the bottom half of the league this year in offense (#16 overall). Wheeler has actually only faced one current top 10 offenses in baseball to date (Arizona): Nationals (x4)- 16th Braves- 13th Phillies (x3)- 15th Reds- 20th Brewers- 12th Marlins- 30th Tigers- 29th DBacks- 8th Giants- 27th Stroman: Tigers- 29th Orioles- 25th Indians- 24th Tampa Bay- 17th Oakland (x2)- 14th Angels- 11th Twins- 1st White Sox- 21st Red Sox- 6th Padres- 26th Rockies- 3rd DBacks- 8th But yes, there is "zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a tougher slate."

Wow that was a lot of work for shit that don't matter, since we were talking about the context of this year, ffs.

included Greg stating that he he's long wanted Stroman on the Yanks...my information just showed the offenses that Stroman has consistenly faced throughout his career, being a career AL Easter.

And yes, the whole bottom portion would still remain true for the context of this year, and the offenses each have faced this year. Your comment included a certainty of Wheeler facing the tougher slate, with "zero question about it," when the facts simply don't back that up.

I thought the Yankee game threads brought a lot of strange comments:

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Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.

Ummmm. No he hasn't. And the NL East is not better offensively that the AL East. It isn't even arguable.