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NFT: NBA Chat 6/10/19 - Davis Trade Rumors Heating Up

kash94 : 6/10/2019 12:38 pm
Woj saying that Pelicans are starting to be more engaged re: trade talks and give feedback to teams. Link is below but here is the summary:
-Pelicans would like to move him prior to the draft on the 20th
-Knicks, Nets, Lakers, and Clippers have been the teams most engaged so far. Boston is monitoring but the Kyrie situation has them holding back. Doesn't seem like they want to make the trade if Kyrie is going elsewhere.
-Pelicans' preferences are as follows (in order from greatest to least): 1) current all-star, 2) young player with all-star potential, 3) two firsts.
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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:02 pm : link
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.



"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.


Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
Rather have a combination of Culver,Reddish,or Hachimura  
ghost718 : 6/10/2019 5:02 pm : link
But like I said,it's good that RJ Barrett is a name being chanted.
RE: Imagine including Lonzo and Hart as assets  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14468432 adamg said:
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And saying nothing of Trier, Dotson, Knox, and DSJ...



If you polled gm of the league and asked there assessment of the player, excluding his fathers bullshit, Lonzo is by far a superior asset to all those players you mentioned.
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adamg : 6/10/2019 5:06 pm : link
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.



"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.



Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.


Except Mitch was guarding 4 positions already. Just because he's a big man doesn't mean he's not an elite athlete.
RE: RE: Imagine including Lonzo and Hart as assets  
adamg : 6/10/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14468444 Nine-Tails said:
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And saying nothing of Trier, Dotson, Knox, and DSJ...




If you polled gm of the league and asked there assessment of the player, excluding his fathers bullshit, Lonzo is by far a superior asset to all those players you mentioned.


*was
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Eli Wilson : 6/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
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bahaha that's dumb.



Tell me why than players like Embid, Capela, Cousins, Aldridge struggle in the playoffs and are hard to play in crunch time. They can't defend to the three point line, switch effectively, and guard the pick and roll. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.

Robinson can defend to the three point line and guard multiple positions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:12 pm : link
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.



"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.



Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.



Except Mitch was guarding 4 positions already. Just because he's a big man doesn't mean he's not an elite athlete.


I don't doubt his athleticism, he could potentially be on the level of guys like Gobert and Capela. It's just when teams go small and have multiple ball handlers, it will be hard to play in those moments. He has potential and is a good piece in a trade, but he is not someone I would make untouchable for someone like Anthony Davis, much less a headliner for a deal like that.
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rich in DC : 6/10/2019 5:15 pm : link
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.



"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.



Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.


When you wake up from your happy dream, you will realize almost everything in your post, except for the Ball is an elite passer, is wrong.
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Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 5:15 pm : link
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bahaha that's dumb.



Tell me why than players like Embid, Capela, Cousins, Aldridge struggle in the playoffs and are hard to play in crunch time. They can't defend to the three point line, switch effectively, and guard the pick and roll. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.

Robinson blocked more 3 point attempts this year playing in 66 games for 20 mpg than any player in the league. In fact, only 8 teams had more 3 point attempt blocks than Robinson did as a rookie who didn't play competitive basketball for an entire year before the season. If this to heart of your argument, it's incredibly flawed. Watch this video and tell me he can't switch effectively or guard the three point line...
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so....which dupe is this?  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 5:15 pm : link
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SAS  
DanMetroMan : 6/10/2019 5:15 pm : link
claims the Nets have already met with Kyrie (um, no) and that Irving flew to Cali to discuss the Nets with KD...
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Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 5:16 pm : link
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.



Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.



Take off he rosemary glasses. Everyone knows Lonzo is an awful shooter and has durability issues, but he is an elite passer and strong rebounder and defender for his position. He does a lot of the little things and the stats show the team is vastly better with him on the floor. Ingram is a far bettter scorer and playmaker than Knox will ever be and what does comparing his 3pt percentage have to do with hit, that's just stupid. Kuzma is a guy who will average close to 20ppg and Josh Hart is a emerging 3 and d guy. Now add that they "luckily" got the fourth pick, they can offer a great package.

Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.

Ricky Rubio. You're describing Ricky Rubio.
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Jim in Fairfax : 6/10/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14468433 Nine-Tails said:
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. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.

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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:19 pm : link
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.



"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.



Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.



When you wake up from your happy dream, you will realize almost everything in your post, except for the Ball is an elite passer, is wrong.


So you're saying the league has not shifted positionless basketball and more perimeter oriented. The Heat and warriors have ruled this decade, with players like Draymond And Bosh being keys to those teams.
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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:21 pm : link
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.



Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.



Take off he rosemary glasses. Everyone knows Lonzo is an awful shooter and has durability issues, but he is an elite passer and strong rebounder and defender for his position. He does a lot of the little things and the stats show the team is vastly better with him on the floor. Ingram is a far bettter scorer and playmaker than Knox will ever be and what does comparing his 3pt percentage have to do with hit, that's just stupid. Kuzma is a guy who will average close to 20ppg and Josh Hart is a emerging 3 and d guy. Now add that they "luckily" got the fourth pick, they can offer a great package.

Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.


Ricky Rubio. You're describing Ricky Rubio.


Rubio doesn't defend and rebound like Ball, so no
Rubio was absolutely  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 5:25 pm : link
as good a defender as Ball is at the same age and while he wasn't the same level rebounder, he was a better passer.
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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:28 pm : link
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. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.




Okay I'll admit I have wrongly generalized Robinsons defensive range. My point is more in the playoffs, will he be able to constantly stay on the floor. Guys like Gobert, Embid, Capela, all three great defenders, have been exposed against the best teams in the playoffs. I think he is a young piece with a lot of potential, but if I was Dave Griffin or any other gm, I wouldn't want him to be the headliner ina deal for top 5-10 player.
RE: Rubio was absolutely  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:30 pm : link
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as good a defender as Ball is at the same age and while he wasn't the same level rebounder, he was a better passer.


I don't know if you payed attention this year, but a lot of next gen stats show Ball defense as top notch, and he can guard multiple positions, Rubio can't.
Look  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:31 pm : link
I don't even like the Lakers players, all I'm just saying is they have a better collection of young players than the Knicks and them getting the fourth pick would in theory help them even more. Luckily, the pelicans wont trade him there, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Someone on RealGM claiming to be an insider (probably a troll)  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 5:34 pm : link
is saying the Knicks are likely to land AD in a three-team trade, with Washington as the third team. Probably nonsense, but Beal could certainly be the All-Star player New Orleans is after. Would Washington want all the assets from New York or LA? They're certainly a candidate for rebuilding, even with Wall's albatross contract. I repeat, the guy is probably a troll (like most RealGM "insiders"), but Washington is an interesting team to consider.
Ball vs Rubio year 2  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 5:36 pm : link
Ball:
DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
STL %: 2.3

Rubio:
DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
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RE: Someone on RealGM claiming to be an insider (probably a troll)  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:36 pm : link
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is saying the Knicks are likely to land AD in a three-team trade, with Washington as the third team. Probably nonsense, but Beal could certainly be the All-Star player New Orleans is after. Would Washington want all the assets from New York or LA? They're certainly a candidate for rebuilding, even with Wall's albatross contract. I repeat, the guy is probably a troll (like most RealGM "insiders"), but Washington is an interesting team to consider.


A trade like this would make sense. Beal to NO, Robinson and draft cap to Was, and AD to NY
RE: Someone on RealGM claiming to be an insider (probably a troll)  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14468481 bceagle05 said:
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is saying the Knicks are likely to land AD in a three-team trade, with Washington as the third team. Probably nonsense, but Beal could certainly be the All-Star player New Orleans is after. Would Washington want all the assets from New York or LA? They're certainly a candidate for rebuilding, even with Wall's albatross contract. I repeat, the guy is probably a troll (like most RealGM "insiders"), but Washington is an interesting team to consider.

Washington doesn't have a GM at the moment. It would be past Knicks level of idiocy to trade Beal until they make that hire.
RE: Ball vs Rubio year 2  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 5:43 pm : link
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Ball:
DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
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Rubio:
DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
STL %: 4.2


Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.
Shams-bomb  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/10/2019 5:56 pm : link
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597

Sources: Anthony Davis has focused on the Lakers and Knicks as the two desired long-term destinations. @TheAthleticNBA story on that and more:
How about signing only one FA this year  
xman : 6/10/2019 6:35 pm : link

and trying to sign AD next year when you still have the available $ and don't have to give up players?
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TommyWiseau : 6/10/2019 6:42 pm : link
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and trying to sign AD next year when you still have the available $ and don't have to give up players?


I believe his preferred destination is LA but he would accept being traded to NY. If money and such is equal he will choose LA in free agency
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Vanzetti : 6/10/2019 6:50 pm : link
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Ball:
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Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.


So Lonzo has a higher ceiling than a guy who sucks? I don't see that as much of an endorsement.
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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 6:53 pm : link
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Ball:
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Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.



So Lonzo has a higher ceiling than a guy who sucks? I don't see that as much of an endorsement.


Look I'm not fan of him. I just made the point that the Lakers have a better collection of young players than the Knicks and that them somehow getting the fourth pick didn't help, seems like the Lakers always get favorable lottery results. Hopefully, the Pelicans stand firm on their stance of not trading AD to the lakers.
AD only wants Knicks or Lakers  
Mike from SI : 6/10/2019 6:54 pm : link
Per below link.
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The whole thing with AD refusing to sign and extension before  
PhiPsi125 : 6/10/2019 6:54 pm : link
FA is a huge red flag. If you have a small group of preferred destinations and get traded to one of them, why not sign the extension then? If ADs preferred destination is truly LA and heís refusing to sign an extension, then some team is going to get screwed. Can someone explain the logic of AD refusing to sign an extension with his small group of preferred teams?
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Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 6:58 pm : link
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FA is a huge red flag. If you have a small group of preferred destinations and get traded to one of them, why not sign the extension then? If ADs preferred destination is truly LA and heís refusing to sign an extension, then some team is going to get screwed. Can someone explain the logic of AD refusing to sign an extension with his small group of preferred teams?


I think he gets more money if becomes a ufa and then signs a long term deal. Also, if he places on the all-nba team, he will get higher max salary per year.
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PhiPsi125 : 6/10/2019 6:59 pm : link
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FA is a huge red flag. If you have a small group of preferred destinations and get traded to one of them, why not sign the extension then? If ADs preferred destination is truly LA and heís refusing to sign an extension, then some team is going to get screwed. Can someone explain the logic of AD refusing to sign an extension with his small group of preferred teams?



I think he gets more money if becomes a ufa and then signs a long term deal. Also, if he places on the all-nba team, he will get higher max salary per year.


Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
RE: The whole thing with AD refusing to sign and extension before  
Enzo : 6/10/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14468555 PhiPsi125 said:
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FA is a huge red flag. If you have a small group of preferred destinations and get traded to one of them, why not sign the extension then? If ADs preferred destination is truly LA and heís refusing to sign an extension, then some team is going to get screwed. Can someone explain the logic of AD refusing to sign an extension with his small group of preferred teams?

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Also it lowers the price of talent given up by his future team  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 7:33 pm : link
to acquire him. Which helps him win when he gets to his new team.

As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.
This  
Jon in NYC : 6/10/2019 7:35 pm : link
is going to be a long 3 weeks
If we do  
TommyWiseau : 6/10/2019 7:54 pm : link
Deal for AD I would like to keep at least one of the three in Knox, Mitch or Dennis Smith Jr. With whatever we save on the cap (the outgoing salary) either bring in Morris, JJ Redick, Beverley, Danny Green or or resign Deandre Jordan.
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Enzo : 6/10/2019 8:02 pm : link
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to acquire him. Which helps him win when he gets to his new team.

As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.

the Laker players in that scenario are obviously more accomplished then the Knick players. But 6 combined years of team control with Knox/Mitch vs. 3 with Ingram and Kuzma is not insignificant. And I don't envy the team that has to decide on what to pay Ingram coming off a blood clot issue.
Factor in the perception that Barrett (or Morant) is a cut above whoever you can get at 4 and it's easy to make a case for that particular NY offer over LA.
Plus and future picks by LA  
Carl in CT : 6/10/2019 8:36 pm : link
Should be 20 or higher with AD and LaBron. Knicks could give their own or Dallas picks which are more valuable.
Boston and lately even Brooklyn make me nervous  
Chris684 : 6/10/2019 8:44 pm : link
So to hear that itís NYK or Lakers should be good news for Knicks fans.

#3, Mitch, 2 Dallas 1sts and Knox
Alan Hahn  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 8:48 pm : link
says Davis would rather go to Knicks and than Lakers according to what he hears..

Knicks motivated to get this done now...

According to Woj Pelicans would like to get it done by this weekend so they can talk to some of the draft prospects
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Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 8:51 pm : link
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to acquire him. Which helps him win when he gets to his new team.

As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.


the Laker players in that scenario are obviously more accomplished then the Knick players. But 6 combined years of team control with Knox/Mitch vs. 3 with Ingram and Kuzma is not insignificant. And I don't envy the team that has to decide on what to pay Ingram coming off a blood clot issue.
Factor in the perception that Barrett (or Morant) is a cut above whoever you can get at 4 and it's easy to make a case for that particular NY offer over LA.


With Jrue under contract there's going to be a desire to remain competitive (Zion will make that seem possible too). So in that lens I'd guess the Lakers players being more known quantities will end up being appealing to stay competitive. Kuzma + Ingram both fit with the other 2 skill set wise plus they'll probably grab a few more picks (beyond #4) and another rotation piece or two like Hart.

I'm sure Ingram's medicals are a big wild card but he's still got a ton of upside. Also they just had a good development experience with Randle once he got out of LA. The other wild card is Barrett and if they just absolutely love him that could certainly tilt things in the Knicks direction.
RE: Boston and lately even Brooklyn make me nervous  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 9:04 pm : link
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So to hear that itís NYK or Lakers should be good news for Knicks fans.

#3, Mitch, 2 Dallas 1sts and Knox

Just where he wants to go though. I canít even think of the last superstar who was traded to a destination he wanted to go to. I guess Butler to Minny but other than that all the recent ones (PG, Cousins, Butler the second time, Kyrie, Kawhi) wound up getting traded to teams not on their respective lists.
Itís easy to see why the Pels would  
Chris684 : 6/10/2019 9:05 pm : link
want to compete right away, but on the other hand itís easier to see why they would want to build the right way and long term around Zion.

I still think pairing Zion with Barrett is appealing to both Zion and the Pelicans.
I donít personally  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 9:15 pm : link
get the compete right away thing with NO. When have we seen a rookie carry their team to the playoffs in the NBA? Even Lebron didnít make the playoffs until his third season at which point youíll either have let Ingram walk or youíre paying him big $ that could be spent elsewhere with guys like Barrett and Robinson on the books already for cheap. Holiday is a good player but heís not good enough to be dictating the direction of the franchise.
The RealGM "insider" I referenced says  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
the framework is #3, Dallas picks, Knox, Frank and another Knicks pick. We'd keep Mitch, Smith, Dotson and I guess Trier. Again, he could be some dipshit troll, but I'm curious at this point. What a heist that would be.
still cant figure out why Davis wants the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
we know why he wants the lakers but why the Knicks?
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Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 9:34 pm : link
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we know why he wants the lakers but why the Knicks?

Cmon, read between the lines.
what's the alternative? I don't think anyone's giving up much for Jrue  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 9:48 pm : link
and they'll already most likely be breaking in 2 teenage top 5 picks. Staying competitive (i.e. not tanking) is different than then expecting to be a playoff team right away. If I were them I'd be doing everything I could to build around the top picks by supporting them with solid young players - not surrounding them with more projects. So I'd probably prefer a known quantities like Kuzma who even in a worst case could probably get flipped at the deadline for another first. Ingram's health is an unknown but he's shown he can be an NBA player.

Obviously getting the top picks right is the priority so if there's a strong feeling 3 vs. 4 that's a big factor.
If I am NO  
TommyWiseau : 6/11/2019 1:42 am : link
I would love to pair Barrett with Zion plus 3 to 4 first round picks.
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