Woj saying that Pelicans are starting to be more engaged re: trade talks and give feedback to teams. Link is below but here is the summary:
-Pelicans would like to move him prior to the draft on the 20th
-Knicks, Nets, Lakers, and Clippers have been the teams most engaged so far. Boston is monitoring but the Kyrie situation has them holding back. Doesn't seem like they want to make the trade if Kyrie is going elsewhere.
-Pelicans' preferences are as follows (in order from greatest to least): 1) current all-star, 2) young player with all-star potential, 3) two firsts.
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Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.
Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.
Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.
Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.
Yea that was my thinking. D-Lo is literally the only player that fits that mold.
One sleeper team that wasn't mentioned is the Rockets. They are apparently willing to give up the farm to shake things up and jump over the Warriors in the West. Could do maybe a trade of CP3, Capella, and multiple firsts (they apparently offered 4 for Butler?) in exchange for Davis and Hill.
New Orleans gets the big CP3 deal but sheds the Hill deal and gets a ton of draft capital.
They apparently tried before the deadline but there was no traction on a deal because NO preferred to wait and Denver considered Murray (and obvs Jokic) off limits.
Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.
Would you guys do this?
Would you guys do this?
Yes, without hesitation. AD + one max (KD) + $15 million or so in cap space + solid depth players like Dotson and Trier is a winning formula. That team can play in the finals next year. We won 17 games last season, and have been the laughingstock of the league for two decades - work those phones, Mr. Perry.
Boston is targeting mid level draft picks. Looks like they may need to move up abit (not top 10) for one of 2 picks (no telling who).
Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.
Would you guys do this?
The Nets still have 2 1st rounders this year, but I find it hard to imagine them dealing 4 1st (1 protected) in one offseason (again?).
The Nets are a wildcard because of DLO, but he has to want to play in NOLA.
with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks
knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks
any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.
But I keep coming back to the same Knicks offer.
#3/Barrett + Mitch + 2 Dallas 1sts (one unprotected)
Obviously the "current all-star" is missing but in lieu of the current all star they're getting the 3rd overall pick. Not bad.
And if they have any hesitation with the package above and the potential of Knox or Frank is appealing to them, throw one of them in.
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Mitch
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Knox or Frank
with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks
knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks
any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.
I think all are compelling packages. I doubt Boston puts Tatum on the table, so maybe this does come down to Nets or Knicks?
This is just a complete guess, but already having the #1 this year and with Jrue signed for 4 years and the temptation to compete usually stronger than the temptation to tank, I could see the Pels preferring the package of young players capable of surrounding him now. The top 3 young starters from Nets playoff team + Zion + Jrue is a competitive team, and they probably add some future picks too.
But if Nets believe they can get some combo of KD/Kyrie/T. Harris without making the trade, perhaps that keeps them from making the type of offer described above?
My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.
They will probably give the farm at this point
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
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I hate that deal, but I might consider it IF Davis signs for at least three years.
My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.
Davis is more a do it all PF who can play C. He is much better than the current version of DeMarcus cousins
I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.
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the Lakers match up great with the Pelicans, but they are determined not to trade with them. All-time level of pettyness, hahahaha
I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.
Alan Gentry really likes Lonzo Ball, he would fit in better there. I think if the Lakers can turn the #4 pick into an appealing player, they will get AD.
I am assuming #3 with a guarantee of Morant or Barrett would be more appealing to New Orleans than #4.
I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids
B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.
C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.
D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.
B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.
C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.
D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.
No way Chicago enters the fray with that package. That's a ton to give up for a team that wouldn't be a title contender and is likely to lose him in a year.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids
It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.
If you really think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can offer, then wow. The bias is real. To me, I think it's obvious the Lakers can make a great offer, but if the pelicans don't want to trade him there, then it doesn't even matter.
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RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
It would make more sense to me to sign two guys and then use the assets to build around them with Danny Green/Middleton type plus role players.
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RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
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RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
not even Memphis?
The decision was taken out of their hands. You can't take anybody else.
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
Take off he rosemary glasses. Everyone knows Lonzo is an awful shooter and has durability issues, but he is an elite passer and strong rebounder and defender for his position. He does a lot of the little things and the stats show the team is vastly better with him on the floor. Ingram is a far bettter scorer and playmaker than Knox will ever be and what does comparing his 3pt percentage have to do with hit, that's just stupid. Kuzma is a guy who will average close to 20ppg and Josh Hart is a emerging 3 and d guy. Now add that they "luckily" got the fourth pick, they can offer a great package.
Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
It would make more sense to me to sign two guys and then use the assets to build around them with Danny Green/Middleton type plus role players.
You can perhaps find a few examples. Shaq to Miami comes to mind.
But I can’t think of a instance of trading a ton of assets for a player who can walk in one year,.
not all of these were trades where a "ton of assets" changed hands, but they were all "star for assets" deals that worked out for the team getting the star:
KG to Boston
Shaq to Miami
Harden to Houston
Chris Paul to Clippers
Barkely to Suns
Pau to Lakers
Kidd to Dallas
Tell me why than players like Embid, Capela, Cousins, Aldridge struggle in the playoffs and are hard to play in crunch time. They can't defend to the three point line, switch effectively, and guard the pick and roll. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.
Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
If you polled gm of the league and asked there assessment of the player, excluding his fathers bullshit, Lonzo is by far a superior asset to all those players you mentioned.
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
Except Mitch was guarding 4 positions already. Just because he's a big man doesn't mean he's not an elite athlete.
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And saying nothing of Trier, Dotson, Knox, and DSJ...
If you polled gm of the league and asked there assessment of the player, excluding his fathers bullshit, Lonzo is by far a superior asset to all those players you mentioned.
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bahaha that's dumb.
Tell me why than players like Embid, Capela, Cousins, Aldridge struggle in the playoffs and are hard to play in crunch time. They can't defend to the three point line, switch effectively, and guard the pick and roll. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.
Robinson can defend to the three point line and guard multiple positions.
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
Except Mitch was guarding 4 positions already. Just because he's a big man doesn't mean he's not an elite athlete.
I don't doubt his athleticism, he could potentially be on the level of guys like Gobert and Capela. It's just when teams go small and have multiple ball handlers, it will be hard to play in those moments. He has potential and is a good piece in a trade, but he is not someone I would make untouchable for someone like Anthony Davis, much less a headliner for a deal like that.
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
When you wake up from your happy dream, you will realize almost everything in your post, except for the Ball is an elite passer, is wrong.
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bahaha that's dumb.
Tell me why than players like Embid, Capela, Cousins, Aldridge struggle in the playoffs and are hard to play in crunch time. They can't defend to the three point line, switch effectively, and guard the pick and roll. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.
Robinson blocked more 3 point attempts this year playing in 66 games for 20 mpg than any player in the league. In fact, only 8 teams had more 3 point attempt blocks than Robinson did as a rookie who didn't play competitive basketball for an entire year before the season. If this to heart of your argument, it's incredibly flawed. Watch this video and tell me he can't switch effectively or guard the three point line...
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
Take off he rosemary glasses. Everyone knows Lonzo is an awful shooter and has durability issues, but he is an elite passer and strong rebounder and defender for his position. He does a lot of the little things and the stats show the team is vastly better with him on the floor. Ingram is a far bettter scorer and playmaker than Knox will ever be and what does comparing his 3pt percentage have to do with hit, that's just stupid. Kuzma is a guy who will average close to 20ppg and Josh Hart is a emerging 3 and d guy. Now add that they "luckily" got the fourth pick, they can offer a great package.
Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
Ricky Rubio. You're describing Ricky Rubio.
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Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
"The league is moving away from big men", but that's somehow good news for two players who can't hit 3 pointers or free throws? That makes no sense.
Has the game not become more perimeter-oriented and dependent on players being positionless. The early Heat and warriors are perfect examples of positionless basketball. It's not going to do you much if you have a big man that just hovers around the basket. If you don't know that, you haven't watched basketball this decade. I already admitted Lonzo can't shoot, but he can defend multiple positions, strong rebounder, elite passer. Ingram is going to be a 20ppg scorer, playmaker, and also can defend multiple positions.
When you wake up from your happy dream, you will realize almost everything in your post, except for the Ball is an elite passer, is wrong.
So you're saying the league has not shifted positionless basketball and more perimeter oriented. The Heat and warriors have ruled this decade, with players like Draymond And Bosh being keys to those teams.
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
Take off he rosemary glasses. Everyone knows Lonzo is an awful shooter and has durability issues, but he is an elite passer and strong rebounder and defender for his position. He does a lot of the little things and the stats show the team is vastly better with him on the floor. Ingram is a far bettter scorer and playmaker than Knox will ever be and what does comparing his 3pt percentage have to do with hit, that's just stupid. Kuzma is a guy who will average close to 20ppg and Josh Hart is a emerging 3 and d guy. Now add that they "luckily" got the fourth pick, they can offer a great package.
Only young player of value on Knicks is Mitchell Robinson, similar to Capela, and the league is moving away from big men.
Ricky Rubio. You're describing Ricky Rubio.
Rubio doesn't defend and rebound like Ball, so no
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. Robinson is your classic rim protector and runner, can he shoot, defend to the three point line, switch like Horford. No, he can't and this will limit his effectiveness.
Okay I'll admit I have wrongly generalized Robinsons defensive range. My point is more in the playoffs, will he be able to constantly stay on the floor. Guys like Gobert, Embid, Capela, all three great defenders, have been exposed against the best teams in the playoffs. I think he is a young piece with a lot of potential, but if I was Dave Griffin or any other gm, I wouldn't want him to be the headliner ina deal for top 5-10 player.
I don't know if you payed attention this year, but a lot of next gen stats show Ball defense as top notch, and he can guard multiple positions, Rubio can't.
DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
STL %: 2.3
Rubio:
DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
STL %: 4.2
A trade like this would make sense. Beal to NO, Robinson and draft cap to Was, and AD to NY
Washington doesn't have a GM at the moment. It would be past Knicks level of idiocy to trade Beal until they make that hire.
DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
STL %: 2.3
Rubio:
DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
STL %: 4.2
Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.
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and trying to sign AD next year when you still have the available $ and don't have to give up players?
and trying to sign AD next year when you still have the available $ and don't have to give up players?
I believe his preferred destination is LA but he would accept being traded to NY. If money and such is equal he will choose LA in free agency
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DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
STL %: 2.3
Rubio:
DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
STL %: 4.2
Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.
So Lonzo has a higher ceiling than a guy who sucks? I don't see that as much of an endorsement.
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DBPM: 1.5
DWS: 1.7
STL %: 2.3
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DBPM: 1.8
DWS: 2.6
STL %: 4.2
Rubio played in more games so that would affect win shares. But anyway, I think Ball is more versatile defender and probably has a little higher ceiling.
So Lonzo has a higher ceiling than a guy who sucks? I don't see that as much of an endorsement.
Look I'm not fan of him. I just made the point that the Lakers have a better collection of young players than the Knicks and that them somehow getting the fourth pick didn't help, seems like the Lakers always get favorable lottery results. Hopefully, the Pelicans stand firm on their stance of not trading AD to the lakers.
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I think he gets more money if becomes a ufa and then signs a long term deal. Also, if he places on the all-nba team, he will get higher max salary per year.
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FA is a huge red flag. If you have a small group of preferred destinations and get traded to one of them, why not sign the extension then? If ADs preferred destination is truly LA and he’s refusing to sign an extension, then some team is going to get screwed. Can someone explain the logic of AD refusing to sign an extension with his small group of preferred teams?
I think he gets more money if becomes a ufa and then signs a long term deal. Also, if he places on the all-nba team, he will get higher max salary per year.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
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As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.
As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.
the Laker players in that scenario are obviously more accomplished then the Knick players. But 6 combined years of team control with Knox/Mitch vs. 3 with Ingram and Kuzma is not insignificant. And I don't envy the team that has to decide on what to pay Ingram coming off a blood clot issue.
Factor in the perception that Barrett (or Morant) is a cut above whoever you can get at 4 and it's easy to make a case for that particular NY offer over LA.
#3, Mitch, 2 Dallas 1sts and Knox
Knicks motivated to get this done now...
According to Woj Pelicans would like to get it done by this weekend so they can talk to some of the draft prospects
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to acquire him. Which helps him win when he gets to his new team.
As a net fan it seems like a 2 horse race. I think a Lakers package with Kuzma + Ingram + #4 is better than Knox + Robinson + #3. But NO is probably more motivated to send him East. So flip a coin.
the Laker players in that scenario are obviously more accomplished then the Knick players. But 6 combined years of team control with Knox/Mitch vs. 3 with Ingram and Kuzma is not insignificant. And I don't envy the team that has to decide on what to pay Ingram coming off a blood clot issue.
Factor in the perception that Barrett (or Morant) is a cut above whoever you can get at 4 and it's easy to make a case for that particular NY offer over LA.
With Jrue under contract there's going to be a desire to remain competitive (Zion will make that seem possible too). So in that lens I'd guess the Lakers players being more known quantities will end up being appealing to stay competitive. Kuzma + Ingram both fit with the other 2 skill set wise plus they'll probably grab a few more picks (beyond #4) and another rotation piece or two like Hart.
I'm sure Ingram's medicals are a big wild card but he's still got a ton of upside. Also they just had a good development experience with Randle once he got out of LA. The other wild card is Barrett and if they just absolutely love him that could certainly tilt things in the Knicks direction.
#3, Mitch, 2 Dallas 1sts and Knox
Just where he wants to go though. I can’t even think of the last superstar who was traded to a destination he wanted to go to. I guess Butler to Minny but other than that all the recent ones (PG, Cousins, Butler the second time, Kyrie, Kawhi) wound up getting traded to teams not on their respective lists.
I still think pairing Zion with Barrett is appealing to both Zion and the Pelicans.
Cmon, read between the lines.
Obviously getting the top picks right is the priority so if there's a strong feeling 3 vs. 4 that's a big factor.