Woj saying that Pelicans are starting to be more engaged re: trade talks and give feedback to teams. Link is below but here is the summary:
-Pelicans would like to move him prior to the draft on the 20th
-Knicks, Nets, Lakers, and Clippers have been the teams most engaged so far. Boston is monitoring but the Kyrie situation has them holding back. Doesn't seem like they want to make the trade if Kyrie is going elsewhere.
-Pelicans' preferences are as follows (in order from greatest to least): 1) current all-star, 2) young player with all-star potential, 3) two firsts.
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Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.
Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.
Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.
Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.
Yea that was my thinking. D-Lo is literally the only player that fits that mold.
One sleeper team that wasn't mentioned is the Rockets. They are apparently willing to give up the farm to shake things up and jump over the Warriors in the West. Could do maybe a trade of CP3, Capella, and multiple firsts (they apparently offered 4 for Butler?) in exchange for Davis and Hill.
New Orleans gets the big CP3 deal but sheds the Hill deal and gets a ton of draft capital.
They apparently tried before the deadline but there was no traction on a deal because NO preferred to wait and Denver considered Murray (and obvs Jokic) off limits.
Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.
Would you guys do this?
Would you guys do this?
Yes, without hesitation. AD + one max (KD) + $15 million or so in cap space + solid depth players like Dotson and Trier is a winning formula. That team can play in the finals next year. We won 17 games last season, and have been the laughingstock of the league for two decades - work those phones, Mr. Perry.
Boston is targeting mid level draft picks. Looks like they may need to move up abit (not top 10) for one of 2 picks (no telling who).
Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.
Would you guys do this?
The Nets still have 2 1st rounders this year, but I find it hard to imagine them dealing 4 1st (1 protected) in one offseason (again?).
The Nets are a wildcard because of DLO, but he has to want to play in NOLA.
with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks
knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks
any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.
But I keep coming back to the same Knicks offer.
#3/Barrett + Mitch + 2 Dallas 1sts (one unprotected)
Obviously the "current all-star" is missing but in lieu of the current all star they're getting the 3rd overall pick. Not bad.
And if they have any hesitation with the package above and the potential of Knox or Frank is appealing to them, throw one of them in.
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Knox or Frank
with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks
knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks
any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.
I think all are compelling packages. I doubt Boston puts Tatum on the table, so maybe this does come down to Nets or Knicks?
This is just a complete guess, but already having the #1 this year and with Jrue signed for 4 years and the temptation to compete usually stronger than the temptation to tank, I could see the Pels preferring the package of young players capable of surrounding him now. The top 3 young starters from Nets playoff team + Zion + Jrue is a competitive team, and they probably add some future picks too.
But if Nets believe they can get some combo of KD/Kyrie/T. Harris without making the trade, perhaps that keeps them from making the type of offer described above?
My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.
They will probably give the farm at this point
- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
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I hate that deal, but I might consider it IF Davis signs for at least three years.
My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.
Davis is more a do it all PF who can play C. He is much better than the current version of DeMarcus cousins
I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.
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the Lakers match up great with the Pelicans, but they are determined not to trade with them. All-time level of pettyness, hahahaha
I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.
Alan Gentry really likes Lonzo Ball, he would fit in better there. I think if the Lakers can turn the #4 pick into an appealing player, they will get AD.
I am assuming #3 with a guarantee of Morant or Barrett would be more appealing to New Orleans than #4.
I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids
B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.
C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.
D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.
B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.
C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.
D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.
No way Chicago enters the fray with that package. That's a ton to give up for a team that wouldn't be a title contender and is likely to lose him in a year.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids
It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.
Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.
If you really think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can offer, then wow. The bias is real. To me, I think it's obvious the Lakers can make a great offer, but if the pelicans don't want to trade him there, then it doesn't even matter.
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RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
It would make more sense to me to sign two guys and then use the assets to build around them with Danny Green/Middleton type plus role players.
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RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
@ChrisIseman
RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
not even Memphis?
The decision was taken out of their hands. You can't take anybody else.