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NFT: NBA Chat 6/10/19 - Davis Trade Rumors Heating Up

kash94 : 6/10/2019 12:38 pm
Woj saying that Pelicans are starting to be more engaged re: trade talks and give feedback to teams. Link is below but here is the summary:
-Pelicans would like to move him prior to the draft on the 20th
-Knicks, Nets, Lakers, and Clippers have been the teams most engaged so far. Boston is monitoring but the Kyrie situation has them holding back. Doesn't seem like they want to make the trade if Kyrie is going elsewhere.
-Pelicans' preferences are as follows (in order from greatest to least): 1) current all-star, 2) young player with all-star potential, 3) two firsts.
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interesting  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 12:46 pm : link
in terms of current all stars, Russell is really the only guy that seems like he could be traded on all 4 teams (think it would have to be a S&T so he'd need to agree?).

Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.

Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.
Robinson, #3 this year, Dallas’1st rounder in 21.  
Dave on the UWS : 6/10/2019 12:47 pm : link
I would start there.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2019 12:48 pm : link
Tony Parker retiring.
Well, if AD is moved-which I expect to happen-  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2019 12:49 pm : link
it's going to happen before 6/20, the day of the draft. Buckle up.
RE: interesting  
kash94 : 6/10/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14468176 Eric on Li said:
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in terms of current all stars, Russell is really the only guy that seems like he could be traded on all 4 teams (think it would have to be a S&T so he'd need to agree?).

Tatum, SGA, Kuzma, Knox, Ball, Jarrett Allen, and Kurucs were all "young stars" but are all in obviously different stages of development. Supposedly Tatum and SGA are both off limits.

Should be an interesting couple weeks leading up to the draft.


Yea that was my thinking. D-Lo is literally the only player that fits that mold.

One sleeper team that wasn't mentioned is the Rockets. They are apparently willing to give up the farm to shake things up and jump over the Warriors in the West. Could do maybe a trade of CP3, Capella, and multiple firsts (they apparently offered 4 for Butler?) in exchange for Davis and Hill.

New Orleans gets the big CP3 deal but sheds the Hill deal and gets a ton of draft capital.
What on earth would NO want with CP3  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:50 pm : link
and the Rockets late first round picks?

Don't know where I heard it, but someone was  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2019 12:51 pm : link
saying the Nuggets should make a move for AD. They got the assets.
RE: Don't know where I heard it, but someone was  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14468192 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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saying the Nuggets should make a move for AD. They got the assets.

They apparently tried before the deadline but there was no traction on a deal because NO preferred to wait and Denver considered Murray (and obvs Jokic) off limits.
Maybe that’s why Nets are in  
GMEN46 : 6/10/2019 12:55 pm : link
Play because of Russell. I am not sure why pelicans would want to max out Russell considering they are in a rebuild. Plus nets just traded their first rounders. I don’t think Russell and quality role players will be enough to get it done.

Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:

- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.

Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.

Would you guys do this?

One Year rentals  
Pete44 : 6/10/2019 12:56 pm : link
The success of Kawhi Leonard with the Raptors helps the Pelicans leverage wise as I could see Denver making a move to win next season and they have more assets than the Celtics.
RE: Maybe that’s why Nets are in  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14468197 GMEN46 said:
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Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.

Would you guys do this?

Yes, without hesitation. AD + one max (KD) + $15 million or so in cap space + solid depth players like Dotson and Trier is a winning formula. That team can play in the finals next year. We won 17 games last season, and have been the laughingstock of the league for two decades - work those phones, Mr. Perry.
I think a lot of people are forgetting how  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2019 1:05 pm : link
good AD really is. If you can get him, get him.
I don't know why the media thinks Kyrie is still an option for Boston  
stoneman : 6/10/2019 1:06 pm : link
He is gone. The lure of AD is not going to do it.

Boston is targeting mid level draft picks. Looks like they may need to move up abit (not top 10) for one of 2 picks (no telling who).
RE: Maybe that’s why Nets are in  
kelsto811 : 6/10/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14468197 GMEN46 said:
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Play because of Russell. I am not sure why pelicans would want to max out Russell considering they are in a rebuild. Plus nets just traded their first rounders. I don’t think Russell and quality role players will be enough to get it done.

Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:

- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.

Basically sounds like knicks can get him for #3, Knox or Robinson and the two Dallas picks that can be used to trade for an all star from another team.

Would you guys do this?


The Nets still have 2 1st rounders this year, but I find it hard to imagine them dealing 4 1st (1 protected) in one offseason (again?).
I'd make that trade for Davis in a heartbeat  
Greg from LI : 6/10/2019 1:08 pm : link
AD and KD would have vets knocking down the Knicks' door to play with them.
correct me if I'm wrong  
Enzo : 6/10/2019 1:08 pm : link
but I thought that a player who is moved via sign-and-trade can't be traded with other players. In other words, Russell or any other player can't be part of a package.
AD  
Pete44 : 6/10/2019 1:08 pm : link
I'm sure the Knicks are involved, but given the formula that NOLA is looking for, the Lakers have to be considered the favorite unless Denver or Boston gets really involved. Remember, Lonzo Ball has fans in the NOLA organization.

The Nets are a wildcard because of DLO, but he has to want to play in NOLA.
if you are the pels  
hitdog42 : 6/10/2019 1:09 pm : link
and like the nets guys... you are asking for Dlo (s&t) Levert and Allen. Starting point of any deal for a Davis type should always be stripping team of every good asset they have, and negotiate from there.

with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks

knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks

any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.
Sounds like different teams  
Chris684 : 6/10/2019 1:12 pm : link
can meet different demands from the Pelicans.

But I keep coming back to the same Knicks offer.

#3/Barrett + Mitch + 2 Dallas 1sts (one unprotected)

Obviously the "current all-star" is missing but in lieu of the current all star they're getting the 3rd overall pick. Not bad.

And if they have any hesitation with the package above and the potential of Knox or Frank is appealing to them, throw one of them in.

#3
Mitch
Both Dallas firsts
Knox or Frank
Imagine what would happen  
santacruzom : 6/10/2019 1:18 pm : link
if the Warriors figure out a way to trade for him.
RE: if you are the pels  
Eric on Li : 6/10/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14468226 hitdog42 said:
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and like the nets guys... you are asking for Dlo (s&t) Levert and Allen. Starting point of any deal for a Davis type should always be stripping team of every good asset they have, and negotiate from there.

with celtics it should be tatum, brown and picks

knicks it should be 3, knox, robinson, and picks

any other starting point would be a disservice to the pels.


I think all are compelling packages. I doubt Boston puts Tatum on the table, so maybe this does come down to Nets or Knicks?

This is just a complete guess, but already having the #1 this year and with Jrue signed for 4 years and the temptation to compete usually stronger than the temptation to tank, I could see the Pels preferring the package of young players capable of surrounding him now. The top 3 young starters from Nets playoff team + Zion + Jrue is a competitive team, and they probably add some future picks too.

But if Nets believe they can get some combo of KD/Kyrie/T. Harris without making the trade, perhaps that keeps them from making the type of offer described above?
RE: Robinson, #3 this year, Dallas’1st rounder in 21.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/10/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14468179 Dave on the UWS said:
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I would start there.
I hate that deal, but I might consider it IF Davis signs for at least three years.

My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.
It sounds like they want multiple team assets  
larryflower37 : 6/10/2019 2:10 pm : link
I think the Knicks have the capital to get it done but the Lakers might be extremely desperate at this point.
They will probably give the farm at this point
It's funny  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 2:50 pm : link
the Lakers match up great with the Pelicans, but they are determined not to trade with them. All-time level of pettyness, hahahaha
RE: Maybe that’s why Nets are in  
ColHowPepper : 6/10/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14468197 GMEN46 said:
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.....Unfortunately knicks cannot include an all star, hence they will have to be involved in a 3 way trade, sounds like the cost will be:

- #3 pick Barrett - I think this would be a high enough pick to count as better than 2 first round picks.
- Knox or Robinson
- 2 first rounders to trade towards an all star.
How many here equate Know with Robinson in such a package? It's the Pelicans' decision, but at a distance, to me, Knox doesn't have nearly the value as Robinson in a trade such as this, esp. when Pels are sending away a C
RE: RE: Robinson, #3 this year, Dallas’1st rounder in 21.  
Giantz_comeback : 6/10/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14468265 81_Great_Dane said:
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I would start there.

I hate that deal, but I might consider it IF Davis signs for at least three years.

My problem with it is that I don't believe Davis translates to a lot more wins. He's a better player than Robinson but the center position isn't critical to success in the NBA anymore. Honestly, I think Robinson is going to be a better fit for a contender in the next few years than Davis. Davis is better, but Robinson is cheaper and clears a path to allocate cap resources to guards and forwards.


Davis is more a do it all PF who can play C. He is much better than the current version of DeMarcus cousins
Celtics can offer a lot too  
Anakim : 6/10/2019 2:55 pm : link
Tatum, Smart, Robert Williams future firsts
AD Trade  
Pete44 : 6/10/2019 3:02 pm : link
Lakers and Celtics have emerged as front-runners per ESPN, not sure how that is possible if Celts don't know if they are going after Davis, but always a pro Lakers/Celtics slant from ESPN.
I dont believe  
moaltch : 6/10/2019 3:06 pm : link
Celtics will be in the running since AD has said he wont sign with them. They can't give up all that talent to take a gamble that he does. I would guess Knicks or Lakers. Lakers offer maybe better, but will they want to trade him to the west?
RE: It's funny  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14468331 Nine-Tails said:
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the Lakers match up great with the Pelicans, but they are determined not to trade with them. All-time level of pettyness, hahahaha

I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.
RE: RE: It's funny  
Pete44 : 6/10/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14468349 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14468331 Nine-Tails said:


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the Lakers match up great with the Pelicans, but they are determined not to trade with them. All-time level of pettyness, hahahaha


I don't see it that way. You have to really like Lonzo for that package to be compelling for NO. Ingram has one more year on his rookie deal before you need to decide to pay him or not. If I'm NO, I either want a bonafide all star or guys who could develop into bonafide all stars still making sub $10M/year for at least the next 3 seasons. If Zion becomes what you think he'll become, you want the cap flexibility to add the right pieces around him (ideally with other good players on cheaper deals) vs having a guy who isn't a star/superstar on a max contract.


Alan Gentry really likes Lonzo Ball, he would fit in better there. I think if the Lakers can turn the #4 pick into an appealing player, they will get AD.
Knicks should try to swap 3 for 4 with the Lakers  
Oscar : 6/10/2019 3:56 pm : link
I don’t think the Knicks can get a Davis deal done, but they could still get involved. Why not try to get LA to trade up one spot in exchange for future picks? I would be very interested in an unprotected first round Lakers pick from about 2022 onward. Could they get multiple firsts?

I am assuming #3 with a guarantee of Morant or Barrett would be more appealing to New Orleans than #4.
Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/10/2019 4:01 pm : link
and can't stay healthy to boot. Forgive me for being skeptical about how much a coach or GM likes them.

I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids
Packages  
Pep22 : 6/10/2019 4:02 pm : link
A. LAL - Jarrett Culver + Lonzo + Ingram + Kuzma + Hart.

B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.

C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.

D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.
RE: Packages  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14468381 Pep22 said:
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A. LAL - Jarrett Culver + Lonzo + Ingram + Kuzma + Hart.

B. NYK - Barrett + Robinson + Dallas 1 + Knox.

C. Boston - Tatum + Smart + picks 14, 20.

D. Chicago - Pick 7 + Markaanen + Wendell Carter.

No way Chicago enters the fray with that package. That's a ton to give up for a team that wouldn't be a title contender and is likely to lose him in a year.
The remaining Bulls team would be worse than the New Orleans  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/10/2019 4:06 pm : link
team he just left. I know it's home, but that's no good.
I just don't know how any  
Pep22 : 6/10/2019 4:10 pm : link
team gives up 4-5 major young assets without being worse off in the long run
I'm with 81, keep Mitch at all costs  
adamg : 6/10/2019 4:13 pm : link
He's an elite defender and complements everyone.

Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.
RE: Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14468380 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and can't stay healthy to boot. Forgive me for being skeptical about how much a coach or GM likes them.

I think the Pels...
- would rather not deal with the Lakers
- hope the Celtics do something dumb like trade Tatum plus for Davis despite all warning signs saying don't do that
- I don't think the Nets have enough in terms of draft picks and young upside players
- I think the Knicks are close, but Mitch Rob is tougher to sell than Tatum or even the Lakers' kids


It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.
RE: I'm with 81, keep Mitch at all costs  
Strahan91 : 6/10/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14468390 adamg said:
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.

Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.

I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.
RE: RE: I'm with 81, keep Mitch at all costs  
adamg : 6/10/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14468393 Strahan91 said:
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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.

Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.


I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.


What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.
RE: RE: RE: I'm with 81, keep Mitch at all costs  
Nine-Tails : 6/10/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14468396 adamg said:
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In comment 14468393 Strahan91 said:


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In comment 14468390 adamg said:


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He's an elite defender and complements everyone.

Much rather do DSJ, Knox, Barrett and the two DAL firsts.


I love Mitch. I think he's got the highest ceiling out of any of the players being mentioned in AD trade talks outside of Tatum and RJ BUT this is Anthony Davis we're talking about and there's almost no shot a deal is getting done without Mitch in there.



What choice does NO have? DSJ, Knox, Barrett and 2 firsts is better than anything LA can offer. If BOS outbid us, they're crazy. Davis reportedly won't sign there. We're in a position of strength here for once.


If you really think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can offer, then wow. The bias is real. To me, I think it's obvious the Lakers can make a great offer, but if the pelicans don't want to trade him there, then it doesn't even matter.
.  
Anakim : 6/10/2019 4:26 pm : link
Chris Iseman
@ChrisIseman

RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
RE: RE: Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/10/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14468392 Nine-Tails said:
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It's fine that you think those guys are overrated, but they still have better package of players to offer than the Knicks, and that's a fact. That's why it sucked that the Lakers got the fourth pick, however the Pelicans refusal to deal with the Lakers is a potential godsend.


Call me when Lonzo Ball shoots better than Chris Dudley from the free throw line. I've heard for months how bad Kevin Knox's rookie season was, yet he still managed to shoot better from the 3 point line and free throw line than Brandon Ingram has in any of his professional seasons. Remove the names and backgrounds of those 2 players and you're left with 2 overrated pieces.
When has trading a ton of assets for the superstar really worked?  
Heisenberg : 6/10/2019 4:28 pm : link
I guess I'd be glad to get AD, but it seems like a high price to pay.

It would make more sense to me to sign two guys and then use the assets to build around them with Danny Green/Middleton type plus role players.
Seriously  
adamg : 6/10/2019 4:31 pm : link
Unless you're tossing in Lebron, there's no discussion. Good luck getting anyone interested in Lonzo...
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adamg : 6/10/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14468404 Anakim said:
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Chris Iseman
@ChrisIseman

RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."
Barrett seems like an awesome kid.
RE: .  
Enzo : 6/10/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14468404 Anakim said:
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Chris Iseman
@ChrisIseman

RJ Barrett confirmed he has no other workouts scheduled. "This is the place I want to be. I hope they draft me."

not even Memphis?
Steph Curry said and did the same thing  
Anakim : 6/10/2019 4:34 pm : link
And look what happened...:(
RJ Barrett  
Pete44 : 6/10/2019 4:36 pm : link
If the Knicks keep the pick and don't draft RJ Barrett, there are no words and they deserve to be a laughingstock.

The decision was taken out of their hands. You can't take anybody else.
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