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Barring Rosen lighting up the sky from his opening practices like Dan Marino in 1983 — “You’ve got something,’’ guard Bob Kuechenberg told Don Shula during Marino’s first workouts — the next best thing happened. Rosen didn’t light up the sky. No one said the Dolphins have something. He looked fine, at times, but Fitzpatrick outplayed Rosen in these pad-less workouts to the point The Greybeard drew raves against The Kid. This isn’t a game-ender, game-changer or have anything to do with a game in September, despite the annual idea that an NFL spring (or often, summer) means something meaningful. This was a time of learning more than playing for a young quarterback in a new system. These practices, however, served a purpose for Rosen. They became another wake-up call for Rosen in an offseason full of alarm clocks sounding around him. If he isn’t dog-hungry upon returning, he’ll never be considering the shovelfuls of humility thrown his way. |
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Case Keenum Keenum got better... and better... and better each time he took the field for the 'Skins. Dwayne Haskins will always have the brighter moments, but Keenum was way more steady than the rookie and dealt with pressure far better than No. 7. Was that necessarily surprising? Of course not; Keenum's a 31-year-old vet and Haskins has been in the NFL for a little more than a month. But Keenum now looks like he's in the lead for the starting job, even though Gruden wouldn't admit it. |
Likewise in DC.
As for Haskins one thing stood out to me. He is struggling against pressure when there is no contact. What happens when there is actual contact and he is facing consistent pressure especially if Trent Williams is no longer on the team?
Giants pessimists - further proof Eli is cooked.
As for Haskins one thing stood out to me. He is struggling against pressure when there is no contact. What happens when there is actual contact and he is facing consistent pressure especially if Trent Williams is no longer on the team?
IIRC, Fitz has also played in a similar style offense before.
You know what, you are absolutely right...Haskins gets a pass...if Flowers was "protecting" him at Ohio State he may not have been drafted.
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you'd shit your pants if Flowers was protecting your blindside too!
You know what, you are absolutely right...Haskins gets a pass...if Flowers was "protecting" him at Ohio State he may not have been drafted.
It's amazing Eli survived 3.5 years with Flowers. That should significantly burnish his HOF credentials!
Yeah in the mental part of the game so far the higher wonderlic score guys are outperforming the lower ones...
Keenum is the only one I am not SURE scored highly, but IIRC indeed he did.
Rosen scored like 28, Haskins maybe 25, and I think Lock (not mentioned above) scored 28 also.
Among Keenum, Fitzpatrick and Jones, Jones had the lowest wonderlic score at 37.
At this point it's a mental game more than anything else, because once real bullets fly the Wonderlic score don't seem to matter as much.
I am very high on Daniel Jones right now, and I’m glad we have him and not Haskins. Time will tell.
Yeah in the mental part of the game so far the higher wonderlic score guys are outperforming the lower ones...
Keenum is the only one I am not SURE scored highly, but IIRC indeed he did.
Rosen scored like 28, Haskins maybe 25, and I think Lock (not mentioned above) scored 28 also.
Among Keenum, Fitzpatrick and Jones, Jones had the lowest wonderlic score at 37.
At this point it's a mental game more than anything else, because once real bullets fly the Wonderlic score don't seem to matter as much.
Also the work ethic, you want a Peyton Manning talking about plays for next year with the coach right after winning the SB making Dungy sad kind of obsessiveness. Hard to scout, no score for that. Seems like what Rosen lacks, along with Haskins I would conjecture.
Likewise in DC.
This. He’s an INT machine and a coach killer. Rosen should sit anyway. Let him learn the system for 6-10 games.
Haskins is a true rookie. Keenum should look better. He sucks. Hope he starts. Wash is the only team for sure who the Giants should beat at least once
If not it’s a disaster no matter what
If he sucks at least we'll have a good nickname for him at the ready.
Linked.
Wonderlic score, games started, and completion % predictive model - ( New Window )
did you miss last year or just being sarcastic?
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along with Daniel Jones.
Yeah in the mental part of the game so far the higher wonderlic score guys are outperforming the lower ones...
Keenum is the only one I am not SURE scored highly, but IIRC indeed he did.
Rosen scored like 28, Haskins maybe 25, and I think Lock (not mentioned above) scored 28 also.
Among Keenum, Fitzpatrick and Jones, Jones had the lowest wonderlic score at 37.
At this point it's a mental game more than anything else, because once real bullets fly the Wonderlic score don't seem to matter as much.
Also the work ethic, you want a Peyton Manning talking about plays for next year with the coach right after winning the SB making Dungy sad kind of obsessiveness. Hard to scout, no score for that. Seems like what Rosen lacks, along with Haskins I would conjecture.
Don't need to travel all the way to Peyton re work ethic. No. 10 is pretty good at that end of the business too. But agree, it seems the hardest part to really scout accurately. I think that's why Drew Lock dropped to the 2nd round.
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thrown in his life since he became the annointed one at UCLA.
did you miss last year or just being sarcastic?
I never liked him. Arizona got rid of him after 1 year. If he showed any real potential they would have not made a back to back QB pick in the first round 2 years in a row.
The only guys I thought had potential in last year's draft is Mayfield (the man has balls and is a competitor) and Darnold.
Glad the Giants took Barkley over Darnold though.
Giants pessimists - further proof Eli is cooked.
Both, lol I was a big Rosen fan before the draft and was intrigued by the possibility of getting him this year, but the lack of interest from the league was a clear sign that something is wrong.
Definitely a possbility, though Snyder may have just got him at 26 instead. Haskins is a very flawed prospect, that I for one would not invest a first round pick. Slow feet, 14 starts, top notch talent around him, possible family and personality concerns.
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Or later - if Danny hadn't drafted him.
Definitely a possbility, though Snyder may have just got him at 26 instead. Haskins is a very flawed prospect, that I for one would not invest a first round pick. Slow feet, 14 starts, top notch talent around him, possible family and personality concerns.
Personality concerns are the biggest red flag to me.
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Or later - if Danny hadn't drafted him.
Definitely a possbility, though Snyder may have just got him at 26 instead. Haskins is a very flawed prospect, that I for one would not invest a first round pick. Slow feet, 14 starts, top notch talent around him, possible family and personality concerns.
It was kind of wtf and very telling Jones was at the draft and Haskins was not, draft "expert" consensus was an irreality.
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Or later - if Danny hadn't drafted him.
Definitely a possbility, though Snyder may have just got him at 26 instead. Haskins is a very flawed prospect, that I for one would not invest a first round pick. Slow feet, 14 starts, top notch talent around him, possible family and personality concerns.
It was kind of wtf and very telling Jones was at the draft and Haskins was not, draft "expert" consensus was an irreality.
Why go to the draft when you can hang in a bowling alley with your family and the handful of sad souls who paid your dad to be there?
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Eric was not wrong.
The mini-camp means something to him.-- Great. It doesn't mean it has to mean anything to anyone else. If he sees the value-- great.
In regards to if you think it's a important with these mini-camps that it means anything.
Wentz and Mahomes were't impressive per the below links. Does this mean Jones will be better than both? No. It means nothing. The 3rd string QB's were more impressive according to both articles though it didn't mean they were better. But neither player was highlighted as being "impressive." If the camps couldn't pick up these guys and this is "recent history" why should we believe there is much to take from it?
https://www.phillyvoice.com/five-players-who-impressed-eagles-otas-and-minicamps-five-who-did-not/
https://610sports.radio.com/blogs/stephen-serda/way-too-early-otas-reaction-patrick-mahomes