There were two individuals in my workplace that were recently fired. They both were extraordinarily talented, but I would admit that they weren't producing in a way that was commeserate with their talent---but it wasn't because of lack of effort, it was because people didn't want to work with them. In retrospect, I think it was clear that they both had some degree of a mental health issue. One was extremely paranoid that people were out to get him--he even accused me of recording him. I honestly feel that if he was just more chill they would have given him more work and taken advantage of his talent.
The second individual, was just on a mission to reorganize her entire department. Forcing her way into meetings and speaking up about subjects that she had knowledge about, but just overstepping her boundaries. I also think she suffered some sort of mental illness. Not quite sure what it was, but if they had a patient manager who knew how to take advantage of her talents, I think they could have gotten significant contributions from her. She did sorely lack in people skills.
I suffer with a mental illness, though not one that would be offensive in the workplace. I deal with at times crippling anxiety, though I'm almost certain no one would notice. But it makes me feel less inclined to share or be open about it.
I guess my question is, in a corporate work environment, what is the appropriate way as a manager to deal with mental health issues, and waht is the best way for an employee to deal with it?
The stigma regarding mental health has improved in my lifetime, but we're still far away from where we need to be with recognizing it's impact and importance.
Bottom line, they weren't productive. I highly doubt they were fired because the disclosed diagnosed mental health issues to management or HR. They probably would have been protected if they did so and asked management for help dealing with their illness in the work place.
Bottom line, they weren't productive. I highly doubt they were fired because the disclosed diagnosed mental health issues to management or HR. They probably would have been protected if they did so and asked management for help dealing with their illness in the work place.
Your attitude is exactly why people are reluctant to disclose mental health problems and is why the OP posed the question.
Maybe I didn't do a good job explaining my point, but I'm not following how you got to where you did.
They are not there to nor are they qualified to (in most cases) diagnose a mental health issue.
If someone comes to the company and discloses a mental health issue I think the company has a responsibility to help the person get through it and remain an active employee.
but if someone is just unproductive or impacts others' productivity for undisclosed reasons, the company is under no obligation or expectation to try to find out why.
Good managers will, but again, that's not the purpose of the company, nor should it be an expectation.
So no, you should not hide mental health issues in the workplace, that's how we wind up with "incidents" (undisclosed mental health issues in general), but if you do hide it or don't even realize it, the company is not the right source to discover or diagnose it.
If you understand what I'm saying.
IMO.
Managers don't expect everyone to be great at everything. A normal manager will not put you in a situation where you are likely to fail. A great manager will help you work through your weaknesses. Only a real shit ball will use that as a reason to dismiss you.
The worst kind of problem employee is one who doesn't think/know they are a problem.
CMicks just because you have anxiety over making presentations doesn't mean you have a mental issue - it is pretty normal especially if you are a perfectionist dwelling on each detail of your work. Is it debilitating - doesn't sound like it? If it is that could be an issue, but sounds like you work your way through it with much success.
If anyone wants to talk about this or my experience, I am happy to discuss at length.
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then you get in the business world and you don't get those perks, so the full force of whatever mental issues you have hit you full-force and all at once.
In the past, people learned to deal with issues like anxiety as they went from grade to grade. I was incredibly anxious as a kid but I learned to deal with it slowly over time. That does not happen when you get "rewarded" for your disorder
I think we are suffering from a huge overcorrection in our education system. We did need to become more sensitive to mental issues but now the pendulum has swung way too far in the opposite direction, and the main problem is the mental health industry itself--which has largely been a huge failure
CMicks ... right there with you. Been dealing with depression and anxiety (on and off) since I was a teenager. I think it was more of a stigma at one time but, recently (last 10 years?) - people have been more open about it. Seems like the size and strength of the stigma attached is not as great as it once was?
That said, any good manager should have a cursory understanding of both the professional strengths/weaknesses of their team and also some of the ongoing personal events (assuming they are shared appropriately).
For instance, I hve had folks go through divorces and family emergencies and of course you consider the mental impact of such events when assessing performance and bandwidth.
I have also had folks that to my very undiagnosed eye were likely on the spectrum. In those instances you have to be aware of what their ceiling is and adjust. In today’s corporate America you are always being asked to continue to grow your employees (as they are assets if you do); but what is rarely discussed is that some folks are going to grow much slower and may frankly reach skill level limits. It’s very unHR but if you are 50 years old and paranoid at presenting to senior management but great at articulating the message to those that are, chances are that’s not a fear you are ever going to overcome.
That’s a very long winded diatribe that most managers if they are aware of mental health issues will try and still put their employees in positions to succeed and work around it if the employee isn’t being disruptive or disrespectful. Most folks aren’t blind, but on the same note they aren’t the best folks to ensure someone gets better either.