IMO the Durant injury not only kills any chance the Knicks will (or should) sign him, it also kills the potential Davis trade - which I am completely opposed to anyway. I think it would be foolish to give away all those players and picks for Davis, especially when he will not be paired with Durant. I'd rather keep the picks, draft Barrett or Morant (if available). And save at least one or two max slots for next season.
How would a Davis led team look like:
Davis, Irving (maybe) and little else. No Barrett, no Knox, no Mitchell Robinson, no Smith, no picks. That will get us to the playoffs but little else.
I'd rather see the young players develop and sign a top FA when and if available.
How does signing Durant effect guus development?
you sign him to 4 yeara you get to oversee his entire rehab for a year and you have a star player on your roster to go recruit
I think we are in for another year of "player development."
I'm actually fine with this scenario.
If fans were ok with the idea of KP sitting out the year for ACL recovery, everyone should be on board with this plan as well.
If KD opts out, sign him long term and let the young kids play and then add another FA and top 10 pick in summer of 2020 plus a healthy KD
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Remember there was that blurb about the Knicks trading down with the Hawks...And now the Hawks have three first rounders.
As long as this doesn’t push Klay into Lakers’ lap.
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I do not think that will happen at all
You’re doing that to get him for the other 3 years. If I’m the Knicks I do this without hesitation. What’s the alternative?
The alternative is not paying him 38 million dollars. Let the Warriors pay him. I mean, paying him 160M dollars knowing that you will at best get 3 years of unknown ability from him is pretty risky. I mean, it's James Dolan's money so I don't really care, but that's a lot to ask a business to do.
I would still sign Durant even with the torn Achilles. To me the risk outweighs the rewards to get him for 3 years even if he “redshirts” his first year rehabbing. Still use the remaining cap space to sign Kemba or multiple good players.
What this really changes is the AD trade. I would be very worried emptying the cupboard and having him walk at the end of the year because Durant is our for next year. And I am not high on the Knicks young players.
Not laughable at all. The Knicks will be getting a sit down with Leonard and he could be persuaded to sign here.
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I do not think that will happen at all
You’re doing that to get him for the other 3 years. If I’m the Knicks I do this without hesitation. What’s the alternative?
if he's not the same guy you've just killed your cap for 3-4 years. Ask the Wizards how they're feeling these days about their cap situation.
Even with this injury ( if it is that) you really think Kevin Durant is a b level player? Have fun being patient waiting for Knox to not be bad let alone good. I'll roll the dice on a top 20 player of all time. This isn't an all star level player we are talking about, its Kevin Durant.
I get that its a bad injury, but he's still only 30 and he can recover from it as other players have. Even if he's only 80-85% of what he was, sign me up for 3 years of that.
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This scenario is now making its rounds, that the Knicks will still try to sign Durant, not use their other max slot on a free agent, draft Barrett and take another year of player development. They could have 2 high picks in the following draft, which is deeper for trades and etc.
I think we are in for another year of "player development."
I'm actually fine with this scenario.
I also don't hate this. Maybe they still try to get Kawhi, but if they can't, stay flexible and go for it again in 2021 with a mostly healed Durant and room for another max (AD being the obvious target).
This scenario go get kamba, sign DeAndre Jordan on a small or 1 year deal.move DSJ or Frank and let the Barrett, Mitch and Knox work with a solid PG.
It's worth the risk vs. sign the garage left out there.
Kevin was stupid to give in to the pressure. May yery well have cost himself 200 million. Cuz despite all their weeping Warriors ain't giving him s--t.
Only way Durant should have gone back is if they gave him an extension
Of course,you try and lure Kawhi and Davis but you also move on to a different plan if they do not come, which is highly likely.
That plan has to be to continue the rebuild with young players. The huge mistake would be to do what Donnie did after missing out on Lebron and sign guys who make you a 40-45 win team
It's incredible.
It's incredible.
I still can’t believe it. The thought of him tearing his Achilles crossed my mind before the game, but I couldn’t fathom the Knicks’ luck being THAT bad. I should know better by now. We can try to spin it positively, but this most likely ruins the Knicks for a few more years, at least.
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Bob Meyers crying was fake as hell last noght? He knew damn well the warriors pushed kd to play and now he is going to sit there and cry because he got hurt?
I thinknit was all bullshit
You’re the second person to speculate on this. No, I think you and WFAN’s Gio are both reaching.
every person on the tv has speculated this..
Yes I saw this too after I posted my thoughts... so ummm.... yeah, all of you are crazy?
It's incredible.
It beats him getting hurt 6-7-8-9 months from now.
Cheer up. Could be worse.
I didn’t really mean to say you’re crazy. Was only kidding. I do think it’s a cynical stretch to believe that he was faking it.
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he was asked if he thought the calf muscle could effect the achilles and he basically said something like i dont know if they are connected..like really?
I didn’t really mean to say you’re crazy. Was only kidding. I do think it’s a cynical stretch to believe that he was faking it.
no worries my wife calls me crazy to about sports
We get it you hate Barrett. Did you happen to catch the Michigan St. Hame in the elite 8? Or the Central Florida game. Or maybe the Louisville game where he put them on his back and badically won the game singlehandedly?
Yep. And then all the hope that Perry is a new era of Knicks exec will evaporate. Can I bet on all of this somewhere?
I never believed a healthy Durant was coming to the Knicks. I don't believe any of the tier one NBA FA's will play for Jim Dolan with his track record. Only tier 2 guys like Amare with no other choice or Anthony who could care less about winning.
Chris Broussard was on with Joe and Evan today. He said something interesting. Paraphrasing Fizdale & Perry are respected in the NBA. Mills has a lot of relationships in the NBA - purposely did not say he was respected. But the owner is an issue.
Brossard said there is not trust among the players about Dolan. He said the players are much more sophisticated about the business than they used to be and many have followed Lebron's lead.
He said there is not trust among the players that the front office and coach will be allowed to work without interference.
He talked about the difference in player perception of Ballmer and Dolan.
The odds are that as long as Jim Dolan is alive this is what the Knicks will be. The NBA isn't the NFL where everyone even gets a turn eventually.
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And my God, did RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish completely suck. They were horrible all game. Culver completely outplayed Barrett.
We get it you hate Barrett. Did you happen to catch the Michigan St. Hame in the elite 8? Or the Central Florida game. Or maybe the Louisville game where he put them on his back and badically won the game singlehandedly?
I don't hate Barrett. I'm just very wary of him.
7-17 and 6-15. Whoop-dee-damn-do.
I never believed a healthy Durant was coming to the Knicks. I don't believe any of the tier one NBA FA's will play for Jim Dolan with his track record. Only tier 2 guys like Amare with no other choice or Anthony who could care less about winning.
Chris Broussard was on with Joe and Evan today. He said something interesting. Paraphrasing Fizdale & Perry are respected in the NBA. Mills has a lot of relationships in the NBA - purposely did not say he was respected. But the owner is an issue.
Brossard said there is not trust among the players about Dolan. He said the players are much more sophisticated about the business than they used to be and many have followed Lebron's lead.
He said there is not trust among the players that the front office and coach will be allowed to work without interference.
He talked about the difference in player perception of Ballmer and Dolan.
The odds are that as long as Jim Dolan is alive this is what the Knicks will be. The NBA isn't the NFL where everyone even gets a turn eventually.
The Dolan complaints are as hollow as they are stupid. Even SAS said Dolan isn't making any decisions with the on court product and hasn't for a long time. Jeez, the Melo trade was 8 and a half years ago. Bitching about Dolan is an excuse. If they ever were able to draft a truly elite player(s), guys would come here. The absolute truth is no one goes anywhere by themselves.
I never believed a healthy Durant was coming to the Knicks. I don't believe any of the tier one NBA FA's will play for Jim Dolan with his track record. Only tier 2 guys like Amare with no other choice or Anthony who could care less about winning.
Chris Broussard was on with Joe and Evan today. He said something interesting. Paraphrasing Fizdale & Perry are respected in the NBA. Mills has a lot of relationships in the NBA - purposely did not say he was respected. But the owner is an issue.
Brossard said there is not trust among the players about Dolan. He said the players are much more sophisticated about the business than they used to be and many have followed Lebron's lead.
He said there is not trust among the players that the front office and coach will be allowed to work without interference.
He talked about the difference in player perception of Ballmer and Dolan.
The odds are that as long as Jim Dolan is alive this is what the Knicks will be. The NBA isn't the NFL where everyone even gets a turn eventually.
Amare had plenty of options in 2010. There's some serious revisionist history with Amare. He was one of the top FA's that year and much of the league had a ton of cap space and settled on lesser players. He was coming off a 2nd team all NBA selection. The risk with Amare was his health which turned out to kill his career but saying he had no other options is completely false.
Chris Broussard knows nothing. He hasn't gotten a scoop in years. There's a reason ESPN let him go. Kevin Durant publicly called him a liar about two weeks ago.
I have never heard one player state that he would not play for the knicks because of Dolan. This is largely media and fans projecting their own feelings onto players.
I seriously doubt any player is thinking no way am I going to an owner who signed Houston to a ridiculous contract or hired Isiaih as GM. Players will come if they perceive the Knicks as a team on the rise--they don't care about Dolan or what he did in 2003. Lebron went back to Clev after the owner denounced him and tore down his mural.
Amare was clearly a face-saving gesture by the Knicks. He was a good player but not a guy at his age and with his injury history that you build a team around.
It's incredible.
It's very on brand for this franchize.
I have never heard one player state that he would not play for the knicks because of Dolan. This is largely media and fans projecting their own feelings onto players.
I seriously doubt any player is thinking no way am I going to an owner who signed Houston to a ridiculous contract or hired Isiaih as GM. Players will come if they perceive the Knicks as a team on the rise--they don't care about Dolan or what he did in 2003. Lebron went back to Clev after the owner denounced him and tore down his mural.
Well said. I’m sick of hearing this argument as well. Do you think Durant went to the warriors because of Joe Lacob. I highly doubt steve ballmer is going to be this big lure....
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And my God, did RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish completely suck. They were horrible all game. Culver completely outplayed Barrett.
We get it you hate Barrett. Did you happen to catch the Michigan St. Hame in the elite 8? Or the Central Florida game. Or maybe the Louisville game where he put them on his back and badically won the game singlehandedly?
I don't hate Barrett. I'm just very wary of him.
Yea only literally every word you have typed about him is negative. About 5 "I think he's just a volume scorer someone tell me different" And yes Greg we get it you hate Duke. I'm a Terp I fucking despise Duke, but the guy can play. 22 7 and 4.5 is pretty godamn good especially playing on an elite college team with other options. Is he a sure thing? No but he defiantely has a high ceiling. And if shooting % is so big I'm sure you were shitting all over Kawhi and hid 16-39 after game 7 vs the sixers...
This is a devastating injury for a basketball player, but Durant can return to be the same or very close. This does not mark his downfall as an elite player.
Many would point to Bryant, who was still good but not the same player after his Achilles. But it is significant to remember Bryant was older (34) when he tore his Achilles, and six games into his return had a season-ending knee injury, which complicated matters. Look at high-flying Dominique Wilkins, who returned about nine months from his complete Achilles tear and was the same player.
I am not a contractual expert, but it seems to me that with Durant’s supreme talent a team would still make him a max offer. Or he could choose to exercise his player option to stay. The landscape of the league is changed with this, but it might actually extend Durant’s tenure with the Warriors.
I wish Durant the best of luck in his recovery. Let’s salute his effort to try to help his team.
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Dolan's biggest problem is he tries to throw money at every problem instead of taking the time to rebuild.
I have never heard one player state that he would not play for the knicks because of Dolan. This is largely media and fans projecting their own feelings onto players.
I seriously doubt any player is thinking no way am I going to an owner who signed Houston to a ridiculous contract or hired Isiaih as GM. Players will come if they perceive the Knicks as a team on the rise--they don't care about Dolan or what he did in 2003. Lebron went back to Clev after the owner denounced him and tore down his mural.
Well said. I’m sick of hearing this argument as well. Do you think Durant went to the warriors because of Joe Lacob. I highly doubt steve ballmer is going to be this big lure....
Dolan’s biggest problem isn’t that he throws money at problems. His biggest problem is that he has the wrong people around him at the leadership level. (And yes, free agent follow the money). Believe me, the guy is a huge part of why the Knicks blow. Dolan doesn’t have any character so he can’t really judge it. Same issue with intelligence. Dolan wants to win, all owners do, he’s just too dumb and too emotionally juvenile to get on the proper course. If the Knicks ever win a championship (and for fifty years now, none is really in sight) it will be despite JD.
Every meaningful player on the team (actually, probably every player) is very close with the front office and coaching staff. I find it hard to believe they'd remain so if they observed what so many of you think happened despite having no evidence to support it.
Every meaningful player on the team (actually, probably every player) is very close with the front office and coaching staff. I find it hard to believe they'd remain so if they observed what so many of you think happened despite having no evidence to support it.
Eh, you could be right but did that happen in SA? It seems likely that KD feels he was given poor information to get him to play in last night's game while risking his future health. Otherwise, why did he fly to NY directly after to get checked out by independent doctors?
He's a three time All-NBA first teamer. That doesn't hold water.
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wind up leaving the team at their first opportunity, you'll have some actual, concrete evidence that Myers was insincere, or the team neglected to consider Durant's health for their own selfish reasons.
Every meaningful player on the team (actually, probably every player) is very close with the front office and coaching staff. I find it hard to believe they'd remain so if they observed what so many of you think happened despite having no evidence to support it.
Eh, you could be right but did that happen in SA? It seems likely that KD feels he was given poor information to get him to play in last night's game while risking his future health. Otherwise, why did he fly to NY directly after to get checked out by independent doctors?
My guess is because in his condition, being in plane for 90 minutes is far more appealing than 6 hours.
This is a devastating injury for a basketball player, but Durant can return to be the same or very close. This does not mark his downfall as an elite player.
Many would point to Bryant, who was still good but not the same player after his Achilles. But it is significant to remember Bryant was older (34) when he tore his Achilles, and six games into his return had a season-ending knee injury, which complicated matters. Look at high-flying Dominique Wilkins, who returned about nine months from his complete Achilles tear and was the same player.
I am not a contractual expert, but it seems to me that with Durant’s supreme talent a team would still make him a max offer. Or he could choose to exercise his player option to stay. The landscape of the league is changed with this, but it might actually extend Durant’s tenure with the Warriors.
I wish Durant the best of luck in his recovery. Let’s salute his effort to try to help his team.
He'll still get the max. Odds are he'll be 80-95% of what he used to be. Its just a terrible injury. Torn Achilles and Torn Patella's are just brutal. i keep reading about players coming back from torn achilles, no one mentions Rudy Gay. He's a guy who gives you hope, he came back at at a fairly high level.
His age is the biggest problem. A lot of wear and tear on his body already. Hopefully he goes the Wilkins route.
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This is a devastating injury for a basketball player, but Durant can return to be the same or very close. This does not mark his downfall as an elite player.
Many would point to Bryant, who was still good but not the same player after his Achilles. But it is significant to remember Bryant was older (34) when he tore his Achilles, and six games into his return had a season-ending knee injury, which complicated matters. Look at high-flying Dominique Wilkins, who returned about nine months from his complete Achilles tear and was the same player.
I am not a contractual expert, but it seems to me that with Durant’s supreme talent a team would still make him a max offer. Or he could choose to exercise his player option to stay. The landscape of the league is changed with this, but it might actually extend Durant’s tenure with the Warriors.
I wish Durant the best of luck in his recovery. Let’s salute his effort to try to help his team.
He'll still get the max. Odds are he'll be 80-95% of what he used to be. Its just a terrible injury. Torn Achilles and Torn Patella's are just brutal. i keep reading about players coming back from torn achilles, no one mentions Rudy Gay. He's a guy who gives you hope, he came back at at a fairly high level.
His age is the biggest problem. A lot of wear and tear on his body already. Hopefully he goes the Wilkins route.
Gay was a non-entity before the injury- just another guy. Now he comes back- and he's still just another guy, and we are supposed to draw hope for AD from that?
Come on man.