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NFT: State of the Knicks (after Durant)

Tony in Berlin : 6/11/2019 5:23 am
IMO the Durant injury not only kills any chance the Knicks will (or should) sign him, it also kills the potential Davis trade - which I am completely opposed to anyway. I think it would be foolish to give away all those players and picks for Davis, especially when he will not be paired with Durant. I'd rather keep the picks, draft Barrett or Morant (if available). And save at least one or two max slots for next season.

How would a Davis led team look like:
Davis, Irving (maybe) and little else. No Barrett, no Knox, no Mitchell Robinson, no Smith, no picks. That will get us to the playoffs but little else.

I'd rather see the young players develop and sign a top FA when and if available.
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Why will KD not be ! Knicks?  
robbieballs2003 : 6/11/2019 5:29 am : link
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the Knicks will suck forever.  
Karl Hungus : 6/11/2019 5:33 am : link
Find something else to do with your time for the next 20 years.
I disagree  
Tony in Berlin : 6/11/2019 5:40 am : link
But there is no quick fix.
Wow...  
moze1021 : 6/11/2019 6:10 am : link
Knicks are cursed.

Unreal.

Absolutely unreal.

This is a total gut punch.

RE: Why will KD not be ! Knicks?  
TheMick7 : 6/11/2019 6:14 am : link
In comment 14468919 robbieballs2003 said:
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If his achilles is torn,he'll reup w/the Warriors. A year to rehab it! Now, I think the AD trade could either be ramped up by Knicks management or they try to sign Kawhi & Kyrie.I think signing those 2 is a longshot so barring that I think it's another year of rebuilding w/youth! 2 Knick dreams going into May. Zion/KD-both now gone! SMH
Kawhi Leonard is the only one I truly want  
George from PA : 6/11/2019 6:22 am : link
Get him this year....Davis next year.

And the young guys develop inuo studs
RE: Kawhi Leonard is the only one I truly want  
TheMick7 : 6/11/2019 6:43 am : link
In comment 14468930 George from PA said:
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Get him this year....Davis next year.

And the young guys develop inuo studs


AD will be traded this year-and only to a team that signs him long term.If they want him,they have to trade for him this season!
RE: RE: Kawhi Leonard is the only one I truly want  
robbieballs2003 : 6/11/2019 6:51 am : link
In comment 14468935 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 14468930 George from PA said:


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Get him this year....Davis next year.

And the young guys develop inuo studs



AD will be traded this year-and only to a team that signs him long term.If they want him,they have to trade for him this season!


Huh? AD clearly stated he will not be signing an extension until after next season if at all.
Per Shams...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/11/2019 6:57 am : link
"Davis is now focused on the Lakers and Knicks as the two desired long-term destinations, league sources told The Athletic."
2 options here  
GMEN46 : 6/11/2019 6:58 am : link
1. Sign Kd to 3 year deal with player option in year 3. Shows commitment by knicks to basically pay him to sit. This also allows them to eat up cap space and continue the rebuild and prob have another lottery year next year. Try to get Kawhi if you can if not then 1 year deals and only play young guys. It will be brutal but another year of development for these guys would be important

2. Forget signing KD and if you cannot get Kawhi just sign 1 year deals with players or make trades to get more picks for teams that need cap space. Hope that Davis goes to Boston and try to sign him and Kd in 2020 assuming that Kd is healthy.

This whole thing sucks but you cannot ware money in bad contracts.
Knicks have a number of options  
nygiants16 : 6/11/2019 7:03 am : link
stay the course and sign 1 year deals and lrt kids develop...

trade for davis and have him recruit a 2nd guy then surround them with talent, a trade for davis depending on how much is sent out leaves you with 55 million roughly...sign a 2nd guy and have 20 million left to spend..

RE: RE: RE: Kawhi Leonard is the only one I truly want  
TheMick7 : 6/11/2019 7:10 am : link
In comment 14468937 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14468935 TheMick7 said:


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In comment 14468930 George from PA said:


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Get him this year....Davis next year.

And the young guys develop inuo studs



AD will be traded this year-and only to a team that signs him long term.If they want him,they have to trade for him this season!



Huh? AD clearly stated he will not be signing an extension until after next season if at all.


Can't believe any team would back up the truck for one year of AD. I've read articles where AD says he'd be willing to sign if traded to a team he wants to go to. Knicks & Lakers are reported as those 2 teams. Can't see Perry giving up everything w/o signing him. That being said,even if the trade is made,which FA would you try to sign to pair up w/him? Kawhi? sure but we've heard all along that he's a west coast guy & wanted to sign w/a Cali team.After that,Kyrie? Barring signing one of those 2,don't think it makes sense to use up your space for guys that might get you to the first round of the playoffs. All this hope that the Knicks might finally be a good team this season,died in a couple of seconds last night!
Just draft RJ or whoever and move along  
Oscar : 6/11/2019 7:12 am : link
There is no quick fix coming, just have to hope some of these young players are decent. They are still in a better spot than they’ve been in for a long time at least they aren’t stuck with huge contracts.
I still cannot believe KD  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/11/2019 7:13 am : link
probably tore his Achillies.

Just the Knicks luck. UFB.
RE: I still cannot believe KD  
nygiants16 : 6/11/2019 7:21 am : link
In comment 14468949 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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probably tore his Achillies.

Just the Knicks luck. UFB.


no the kjicks luck would of been to sign hik and he tore it after he signed...
RE: I still cannot believe KD  
Jolly Blue Giant : 6/11/2019 7:24 am : link
In comment 14468949 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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probably tore his Achillies.

Just the Knicks luck. UFB.

Could be worse. He could have torn it 3 months from now....
They really have to make use of those multiple first rounders  
Tony in Berlin : 6/11/2019 7:25 am : link
but not by trading them. And please no max contracts for Kemba Walker or any of those B-level superstars. Patience!
I love my stupid cursed basketball team.  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 7:37 am : link
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so it is 100% his achilles?  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 7:38 am : link
Wow, the Knicks are cursed!
MRI today. Expectation is that it will confirm achilles tear.  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 7:42 am : link
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Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 7:52 am : link
Sit on the cap space and wait for the next superstar in FA?  
The_Boss : 6/11/2019 8:05 am : link
While we keep drafting inside the top 5? Is that the plan now? Do we put all our eggs into Kyrie/AD and hope?

I m a Celtics fan  
joeinpa : 6/11/2019 8:10 am : link
Can’t say I feel your pain. But Knicks can’t seem to catch a break.
The Knicks are not "sitting on the space"  
Stu11 : 6/11/2019 8:11 am : link
they didn't clear 2 max slots out to have Kevin Knox play 35 minutes a night again. Like it or not they are going to turn over every stone to get 2 stars here.
Regarding an AD trade and Griffin's demand,  
Anakim : 6/11/2019 8:13 am : link
I wonder if this could be the framework:

Knicks get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Bradley Beal, Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., two first rounders

Wizards get: the third overall pick, Frank Ntilikina
man it does feel like this team is cursed...  
Italianju : 6/11/2019 8:15 am : link
no idea what they should do now. Trading 90% of our assets for AD without knowing if we can at least get Kyrie as well is super risky. We could end up with AD and nothing else. And with AD the team will be just good enough to be picking at the end of the lottery. The FA class next year outside of AD isnt that great so getting him now and saving capspace for next year is an option but not a great one. If the knicks dont think they can get Kyrie or Kawhi i might hold off on the AD trade unless they can keep a few assets. I get that if you have a chance to get an AD you should, but im just not sure how you build a team around him unless a guy like DSJ all of a sudden makes huge strides or guys like Mitch (if we can keep him) turn out to be a star.
I think there is a good chance they still sign KD  
Oscar : 6/11/2019 8:16 am : link
If he opts out. Whether or not that is a smart move is the question. I think it would be dumb considering his age and the injury but it’s not up to me.
I would not trade all those assets  
Del Shofner : 6/11/2019 8:16 am : link
for a one-year rental of AD, good as he is. If he doesn’t re-sign, which he’s free not to do, you have wasted everything.
Wiz arent trading Beal for just the 3rd pick...  
Italianju : 6/11/2019 8:17 am : link
and if they are id rather keep Beal at that cost.

That ask for NO is what they should be doing, but its also absurd. AD is amazing but you want an already all star, a young potential all star, and 2 firsts. Again you ask for the moon, but they cant actually expect to get that.
The more I think about it  
Stu11 : 6/11/2019 8:17 am : link
say we get Cousins and Kyrie? Is that so awful? we'd be a playoff team, adding RJ Barrett and keep the young guys. That team has a potential to really grow. This pipe dream of going from 17 wins to a title contender overnight was probably just that- a pipe dream.
Screwed  
TyreeHelmet : 6/11/2019 8:17 am : link
I have respect for fans that are still positive but this is the worst possible outcome for the Knicks. I’d still sign him but I doubt he leaves.

If you have a chance to pair Davis with Kyrie, Kemba or even Butler, I’d go for it. But I am not as high on the Knicks young guys are others. If you want to wait around for them to turn the Knicks int contenders, you’ll be waiting awhile. I’d do everything I can to pair 2 all nba players in their 20s together.

But my guess now is Davis to the Lakers, Irving to Brooklyn, and Durant’s a warrior for life now.
Well, the cap minimum is something like 91 Million  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 8:20 am : link
So, the can't sit on the space. They could take on contracts for assets.
Thing is i do think...  
Italianju : 6/11/2019 8:21 am : link
that the Knicks had a lot of options and contingency plans, but im guessing most of them involved KD being here first. I mean im sure they dont all, but the ones that made us a true contender overnight sure did. I mean you could still end up with Kawhi and AD which would make you a contender day 1, but we know Kawhi is a long shot. Even Kyrie and AD with a few other smart moves could make you a legit contender. I mean the east is still the east and Kawhi could end up back west.
anyone else think  
nygiants16 : 6/11/2019 8:27 am : link
Bob Meyers crying was fake as hell last noght? He knew damn well the warriors pushed kd to play and now he is going to sit there and cry because he got hurt?

I thinknit was all bullshit
RE: Regarding an AD trade and Griffin's demand,  
Pep22 : 6/11/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14468982 Anakim said:
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I wonder if this could be the framework:

Knicks get: Anthony Davis

Pelicans get: Bradley Beal, Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., two first rounders

Wizards get: the third overall pick, Frank Ntilikina


Well thought out proposal.
RE: The more I think about it  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14468988 Stu11 said:
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say we get Cousins and Kyrie? Is that so awful? we'd be a playoff team, adding RJ Barrett and keep the young guys. That team has a potential to really grow. This pipe dream of going from 17 wins to a title contender overnight was probably just that- a pipe dream.


I definitely thought how this could end up with increasing the odds that Boogie becomes a Knick. On one hand, that would feel alot like when we added Carmelo - fun, but we're not gonna win a lot of games. On the other, I really enjoy Boogie cousins and would probably buy his jersey.
I'm pretty sure a competitor...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2019 8:31 am : link
like Durant wants to be out there as much as his team wanted him to be out there.

Nobody ever says that Willis Reed was forced to play by the Knicks (and he was ineffective). Nobody said TO was forced to play in the Super Bowl by the Eagles.

Top players want to play in big games.

It is an unfortunate injury and it probably happened because of compensating for the existing injury, but this wasn't like the RGIII situation.
RE: RE: The more I think about it  
Stu11 : 6/11/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14469003 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 14468988 Stu11 said:


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say we get Cousins and Kyrie? Is that so awful? we'd be a playoff team, adding RJ Barrett and keep the young guys. That team has a potential to really grow. This pipe dream of going from 17 wins to a title contender overnight was probably just that- a pipe dream.



I definitely thought how this could end up with increasing the odds that Boogie becomes a Knick. On one hand, that would feel alot like when we added Carmelo - fun, but we're not gonna win a lot of games. On the other, I really enjoy Boogie cousins and would probably buy his jersey.

I think its different than the Carmelo situation because we keep all our assetts so we can really build a roster going fwd. That Dallas pick in 2 years can be a shot at the lottery.
I think best thing to do moving forward is  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 8:33 am : link
1) draft Barrett
2) sign Walker or Irving
3) Keep developing young guys, roll over the max slot for 2020
4) Sign another star 2020 (possibly Durant if fully healthy but that's a risk)
RE: anyone else think  
TyreeHelmet : 6/11/2019 8:34 am : link
In comment 14468999 nygiants16 said:
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Bob Meyers crying was fake as hell last noght? He knew damn well the warriors pushed kd to play and now he is going to sit there and cry because he got hurt?

I thinknit was all bullshit


I like Meyers but I agree with this. They could have protected and treated Durant much better. The constant updates after every game instead of just ruling him out for the playoffs.

I don’t know anything about the injury but the weakened calf has to increase the chances of an Achilles tear. And I do wonder if Durant wasn’t a free agent they would have held him out and been more cautious.
RE: Screwed  
The_Boss : 6/11/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14468989 TyreeHelmet said:
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I have respect for fans that are still positive but this is the worst possible outcome for the Knicks. I’d still sign him but I doubt he leaves.

If you have a chance to pair Davis with Kyrie, Kemba or even Butler, I’d go for it. But I am not as high on the Knicks young guys are others. If you want to wait around for them to turn the Knicks int contenders, you’ll be waiting awhile. I’d do everything I can to pair 2 all nba players in their 20s together.

But my guess now is Davis to the Lakers, Irving to Brooklyn, and Durant’s a warrior for life now.


Agreed. Somehow AD will end up in LA. Leonard either stays in Toronto if they win the Finals or goes to the Clippers. And obviously, KD likely won’t come here now. The worst thing the Knicks can do now is foolishly sign guys like Kemba and Khris Middleton to max money. The summer hasn’t even started yet, and the nightmare scenario has already played itself out: No Zion, No Durant.

They’re cursed.
In my post above  
GMEN46 : 6/11/2019 8:35 am : link
I meant sign KD to 3 year deal with team option in year 3. You give him 2 guaranteed yeas vs. the 1 year of opting in with golden state so that benefits him. And he is out next year and you get a whole year to see how he comes back in 2020 season if he sucks then you can terminate his contract with a $5-$10 mil buyout. I think this would be fair for both sides.

Use remaining $40 million in cap space to sign the following players to 1 year over priced deals:

Danny green/Wes Matthews
Patrick Beverly
Deandre Jordan
Mario Hez

Nice mix of young guys and vets to hopefully have a somewhat competitive year. Hope that all young guys develop further.

Probably have another lottery pick and hope KD is 80-90 percent of what he was before in 2020 and make a run at AD as well.
How is getting Walker  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 8:36 am : link
bad? Walker is awesome.
RE: anyone else think  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 6/11/2019 8:36 am : link
In comment 14468999 nygiants16 said:
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Bob Meyers crying was fake as hell last noght? He knew damn well the warriors pushed kd to play and now he is going to sit there and cry because he got hurt?

I thinknit was all bullshit


Yea, I think he should win an academy award for that performance!
Agree about Myers press conference  
GMEN46 : 6/11/2019 8:37 am : link
That was he fakest thing I have seen. It was really uncomfortable to watch
Walker is a good  
GMEN46 : 6/11/2019 8:38 am : link
Player but is not worth the contract cost. He is you third best player ona championship team, you don’t want him as your best player, that team will go nowhere.
RE: Walker is a good  
The_Boss : 6/11/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14469019 GMEN46 said:
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Player but is not worth the contract cost. He is you third best player ona championship team, you don’t want him as your best player, that team will go nowhere.


This
Knicks will still try to sign durant  
nygiants16 : 6/11/2019 8:47 am : link
and sign a 2md max and try to build a team that will keep them in playoff hunt until kd comes back..

I dont think this changes the Knicks thinking..
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 6/11/2019 8:50 am : link
Let’s be honest, this plan was all about getting Durant. Especially after they lost out on Zion. Everything was contingent on getting Durant- trading for Davis, signing Kyrie or Kemba as number 2 or 3. Without Durant those scenarios are out the the window. Maybe they can still pair Davis with a max FA, but it feels inevitable he’ll be a Laker.

For those advocating a slow rebuild, this team is years away from respectability let alone being a contender. And with the new lottery odds, it’s very difficult to bank on top 5 picks.

Maybe it’s not torn or maybe the Knicks can sign Durant anyway and let him rehab a year. No better medical care in the world then NYC. But I bet he signs a max deal with the warriors or they tack onto his player option.

Who knows, maybe Perry can get Davis and build a contender without Durant. But the Knicks plan took a death blow last night.
Still don't see the problem of signing 2 FA's  
Stu11 : 6/11/2019 8:51 am : link
keep all your assets even if we can't get Durant? It leaves us with a playoff team, and tons of assets and potential to get better.
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