Primarily the Evan Engram and Hernandez/Zeitler interviews on The Huddle at Giants.com, and the Turchyn & Schneier hour long examination of DJ8.
Evan Engram in response to questions about the change in head coaches he's had as a Giant said McAdoo's offense was simple and easy to assimilate, and that Shurmur's is more complex and more detailed and getting even moreso in year two via additions.
It struck me that McAdoo, never even having been an OC before he came to the Giants, was simply out of his depth on the chalkboard concepts he tried to run here., and certainly wasn't maximizing part of Eli's strongest suit.
Hernandez also spoke about Shurmur in a different way (PS is his 1st NFL head coach), talking about Shurmur's knowledge and detailed expectations of OL. He also made sure to point out that PS was an "All American OC" when playing at Michigan State.
Turchyn and Schneier spoke about how Jones fits what PS wants, but also noted that PS will likely tailor his system to Jones' weaknesses if he can't teach and train those weaknesses out of him. They specifically addressed Jones problems throwing outside the hashmarks to his left side when the left side is also the wide side of the field - ie when the ball as it the right hashmark at the play's start.
They noted that Jones has a specific tendency - more than a tendency Turchyn actually said, he said Jones does it every single time he's throwing outside the hash left when the ball was centered on the right hash - to hop slide to his left and to add unnecessary time to his left side throws, and ruin the whole "throwing on anticipation" factor to the left side.
Turchyn felt, if PS couldn't train that footwork/delay trait out of Jones' game, he'd likely simply ask Jones to roll left to get to "his spot" so that Jones would be comfortable making those throws wide left...
All this together tells me that the Giants' players, as well as outside observers, have a ton of respect for PS.
That IMO feeds into why the team fought for him long after they fell out of contention for anything. Also some of PS own statements about how Corey Coleman was asking him about the use of Thielen and Diggs at Minnesota, shows a respect of PS by yet another player.
Your thoughts, comments?
His delays....sounded like he was waiting for receivers to run their routes.
Shumurs is considered a QB whisperer.
So as long as OL holds up....offense should not be the issue
His delays....sounded like he was waiting for receivers to run their routes.
Shumurs is considered a QB whisperer.
So as long as OL holds up....offense should not be the issue
The issue about throwing left - I don't see how that could relate to his surrounding talent. You need to listen to the podcast, Turchyn and Schneier were cognizant of the surrounding talent issue and really separated it out of their analysis, IMO.
His delays....sounded like he was waiting for receivers to run their routes.
Shumurs is considered a QB whisperer.
So as long as OL holds up....offense should not be the issue
For what it is worth, I recently spoke with a father of a Duke player who came up with Jones and he really believed that with better talent that Jones was going to be excellent. And his son was a Duke WR! He said DJ was one of the best athletes he’s ever seen.
The issue about throwing left - I don't see how that could relate to his surrounding talent. You need to listen to the podcast, Turchyn and Schneier were cognizant of the surrounding talent issue and really separated it out of their analysis, IMO.
They did a good job on that podcast, but I think this is a correctable bad habit. Jones' footwork in general needs some work. I found in interesting how they felt that Eli's footwork improved after McAdoo got here. At least he did something right!
Where he got this reputation as a qb whisperer or anything else whisperer is a mystery. He has a lot to prove.
Where he got this reputation as a qb whisperer or anything else whisperer is a mystery. He has a lot to prove.
There is a lot of mystery but in this post. Why is he considered a QB whisperer? Maybe because he took the incredibly mediocre Case Keenum and had him playing at a PB level? 98.3 QBR is such an outlier for Keenum's career how do you not attribute at least some of it to PS? Also, considering the dysfunction surrounding the Browns, calling his tenure there a failure is misplaced.
Where he got this reputation as a qb whisperer or anything else whisperer is a mystery. He has a lot to prove.
Colt McCoy and Brandon Weeden. You can't make poppies out of poop.
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Were due to having less then professional level talent.
His delays....sounded like he was waiting for receivers to run their routes.
Shumurs is considered a QB whisperer.
So as long as OL holds up....offense should not be the issue
For what it is worth, I recently spoke with a father of a Duke player who came up with Jones and he really believed that with better talent that Jones was going to be excellent. And his son was a Duke WR! He said DJ was one of the best athletes he’s ever seen.
Of course he isn't biased...
After getting fired by the Browns, Belichick went 5-11 in his first year with the Patriots. But he won a Super Bowl in year two and followed that up with several more. I'm expecting a similar trajectory from Shurmur!
Where he got this reputation as a qb whisperer or anything else whisperer is a mystery. He has a lot to prove.
What? I don't love Shurmur, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
He ran the offense for the Eagles from 2013-2015 after his Browns stint. He earned the QB whisper stuff from his work with McNabb, Sam Bradford rookie year (his best year), Nick Foles 1st breakout year in Philly and then Keenum in Minnesota.
Where he got this reputation as a qb whisperer or anything else whisperer is a mystery. He has a lot to prove.
This seems a tad harsh.
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Were due to having less then professional level talent.
His delays....sounded like he was waiting for receivers to run their routes.
Shumurs is considered a QB whisperer.
So as long as OL holds up....offense should not be the issue
For what it is worth, I recently spoke with a father of a Duke player who came up with Jones and he really believed that with better talent that Jones was going to be excellent. And his son was a Duke WR! He said DJ was one of the best athletes he’s ever seen.
DI he comment on why his son couldn't catch? A little ironic in the sense that the WR's need to stick up for Jones who looks like a poor choice because of...you know...the WR's.
He doesn't have the biggest personality though and good OC's have failed as HC's before (norv turner).
IMO his ultimate success will come down to how well he surrounds himself with exception assistants (particularly on the defensive side). But that's true of just about anyone in a management position. If you don't surround yourself with highly competent people it's hard to succeed.