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NFT: Mets at Yankees GDT 6/11 Doubleheader

Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 10:57 am
NYM
Jeff McNeil (L) 2B
Michael Conforto (L) RF
Pete Alonso (R) DH
Dominic Smith (L) 1B
Todd Frazier (R) 3B
J.D. Davis (R) LF
Amed Rosario (R) SS
Tomas Nido (R) C
Juan Lagares (R) CF

NYY
DJ LeMahieu (R) 2B
Aaron Hicks (S) CF
Luke Voit (R) DH
Gary Sanchez (R) C
Didi Gregorius (L) SS
Clint Frazier (R) RF
Kendrys Morales (S) 1B
Gio Urshela (R) 3B
Brett Gardner (L) LF

Wheeler vs. Tanaka

74 degrees at first pitch, no chance of rain.

GO YANKEES
Sanchez better DH  
nygnyy274 : 6/11/2019 11:08 am : link
Game 2 no reason for him not to play both games today. Rain out last night off day tomorrow.
who would have predicted  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2019 11:16 am : link
these lineups in spring training?
Who would have predicted  
section125 : 6/11/2019 11:41 am : link
Kendrys Morales at 1B again to make 4 or 5 outs?

Guess it sets up Voit a 1B and Sanchez DH in 2nd game. Looks like Didi sits game 2 and Torres at SS..
I would have predicted  
Carson53 : 6/11/2019 11:50 am : link
that somebody would have talked about Sanchez as the DH
for game 2, just saying. I'll take it one game at a time.
Mets chances look more promising at 1PM  
Metnut : 6/11/2019 12:26 pm : link
rather than 7PM.
RE: Mets chances look more promising at 1PM  
section125 : 6/11/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14469300 Metnut said:
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rather than 7PM.


Yankees hit FB better than junk, fwiw.
hope he shocks us  
2cents : 6/11/2019 12:53 pm : link
but I dont see any reason why Morales is in this lineup, he cant be DFa'd soon enough imo. otherwise should be a fun day of ball, hope tanaka keeps the ball in the park and paxton gives us 6-7 strong. go yanks.
Diving catch by Garry to rob  
superspynyg : 6/11/2019 1:15 pm : link
McNeil of a possible triple!
Voit can't hold up.  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:22 pm : link
Good call - bat passed the plate.
Morales with an accidental rbi single  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
would have been a triple if anyone else mind you.
Wow, Wheeler blows  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
Frazier away on three straight inside heaters. Two were not particularly great locations, but one was up and in.
RE: Morales with an accidental rbi single  
superspynyg : 6/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14469405 RasputinPrime said:
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would have been a triple if anyone else mind you.

He did his part today!
A Morales RBI single  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
Just the way they drew it up
holy shit Morales did something positive  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
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RE: Morales with an accidental rbi single  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14469405 RasputinPrime said:
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would have been a triple if anyone else mind you.


Need to keep denigrating him for maximum effect.
Didi hit the ground running at the plate  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:41 pm : link
But plenty rusty in the field. Bah.
RE: RE: Morales with an accidental rbi single  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14469412 section125 said:
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In comment 14469405 RasputinPrime said:


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would have been a triple if anyone else mind you.



Need to keep denigrating him for maximum effect.


It's not hard.
what the fuck  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:43 pm : link
is a Nido? He is wearing #3?
oh not this shit like the Indians series again  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:43 pm : link
The shittier the hitter, the more trouble the Yankees have with them.
RE: Didi hit the ground running at the plate  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14469416 Greg from LI said:
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But plenty rusty in the field. Bah.


Didi with another error? Come on. Then fails to make the hard play....
I didn't know  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:44 pm : link
it was international suck-against-shit day.

1-1
now a homer by a guy with zero power  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:45 pm : link
Sweet
Ugh  
illmatic : 6/11/2019 1:45 pm : link
4-1
Dammit Tanaka  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:45 pm : link
and Didi....
4-1  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:45 pm : link
just gave up a shot to Bret Barbarie.

I think he is still on paternity leave.
how the hell do you get hurt by that worthless bottom of the lineup?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:45 pm : link
Embarrassing.
What the fuck Tanaka  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 1:46 pm : link
Jesus Christ.
his splitter has taken about a month off now  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:46 pm : link
I think it is time to figure his shit out.
RE: Dammit Tanaka  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14469428 section125 said:
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and Didi....


And we piss about Happ.....
RE: RE: Dammit Tanaka  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14469437 section125 said:
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In comment 14469428 section125 said:


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and Didi....



And we piss about Happ.....


yeah no shit
Bad defense  
KJG5173 : 6/11/2019 1:48 pm : link
Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.
RE: Bad defense  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14469439 KJG5173 said:
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Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.


No. It's on Morales and you know that.
RE: RE: Bad defense  
KJG5173 : 6/11/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14469442 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14469439 KJG5173 said:


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Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.



No. It's on Morales and you know that.

A little bit, but that throw is pretty wide for an every day grounds to Didi.
Rasputin  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 1:52 pm : link
was that a shot at McNeil? He's one of the best hitters in the NL.
RE: RE: Bad defense  
section125 : 6/11/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14469442 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14469439 KJG5173 said:


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Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.



No. It's on Morales and you know that.


That ball is way up the line. Only on Didi...
RE: Rasputin  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14469446 ryanmkeane said:
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was that a shot at McNeil? He's one of the best hitters in the NL.


Not for this series. For this series he is Mr. Jillian Barberie.
The Tanaka splitter  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 1:57 pm : link
has not been sharp for a while now and it's a home run pitch when it's not right. The long ball has been killing him lately
DJ screened that one  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 1:58 pm : link
or it was an easy DP. We need some clutchness.
clutch by Sanchez  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:02 pm : link
4-2

Thank god Barberie isn't fast.
gameday says there's an injury delay?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:03 pm : link
Who's injured?
lucky break there  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:03 pm : link
for a run...
RE: gameday says there's an injury delay?  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14469459 Greg from LI said:
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Who's injured?


McNeil dove for the ball - he's ok.
RE: gameday says there's an injury delay?  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14469459 Greg from LI said:
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Who's injured?


McNeil after laying out on the Sanchez blooper. Seems to be ok.
across baseball  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:06 pm : link
more and more hitters appear to be chasing pitches above the zone.
RE: across baseball  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14469466 RasputinPrime said:
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more and more hitters appear to be chasing pitches above the zone.


Umps are calling the high strike more this year, so players have to look up there.

But that was ridiculous after spitting on the one just low just before, that pitch was nowhere near a strike.
RE: The Tanaka splitter  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14469454 Kyle in NY said:
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has not been sharp for a while now and it's a home run pitch when it's not right. The long ball has been killing him lately


He has been susceptible to the long ball for years.
Morales is the gift that keeps on giving  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:10 pm : link
,
As Didi throws  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:10 pm : link
another one away.
this cannot continue  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 2:13 pm : link
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ok this is really, really starting to piss me off  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:14 pm : link
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umps are calling too many strikes - period.  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:14 pm : link
Nido with another hit. Didi lays out to knock it down and save a run.

Get your head out of your ass Tanaka
got out of it  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 2:17 pm : link
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RE: umps are calling too many strikes - period.  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14469475 RasputinPrime said:
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Nido with another hit. Didi lays out to knock it down and save a run.

Get your head out of your ass Tanaka


Or should have caught it to end the inning. I'm being a bit hard on him especially after the long layoff, but I'm used to seeing him make plays.
GIO  
YAJ2112 : 6/11/2019 2:23 pm : link
GIO GIO
Gio-blast  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:23 pm : link
4-4

Wheeler can stay in Queens. I've seen the awesome arm, no results show before.
attaboy, Gio  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:23 pm : link
Cmon, let's chase this sumbitch now
Gio with a solid  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:24 pm : link
blast to the pen..all tied up.
RE: Gio-blast  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14469483 RasputinPrime said:
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4-4

Wheeler can stay in Queens. I've seen the awesome arm, no results show before.


But allstarjim say ZOMG Wheeler's the awesomest ever! DON'T YOU KNOW HE'S HAD TO FACE THE MIGHTY NATS 4 TIMES ALREADY????
Man you guys are really  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 2:26 pm : link
bringing the insults today aren't you
yeesh  
YAJ2112 : 6/11/2019 2:27 pm : link
ugly game in the infield so far
this would be an opportune time for Voit to get going  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:30 pm : link
He's looked pretty bad so far today.
RE: Man you guys are really  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14469492 ryanmkeane said:
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bringing the insults today aren't you


It is normal around here.

Wheeler pitches around Hicks to get to Voit.
Ask and ye shall receive  
YAJ2112 : 6/11/2019 2:31 pm : link
HIGH VOITAGE!
7-4  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:31 pm : link
Voit to the moon.
RE: RE: Man you guys are really  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14469495 section125 said:
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In comment 14469492 ryanmkeane said:


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bringing the insults today aren't you



It is normal around here.

Wheeler pitches around Hicks to get to Voit.


Careful what you wish for....
BOOM  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:32 pm : link
That's what I'm talkin' about right there
why does Clint  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
look like he is playing outfield for the first time on almost every easy fly ball? Jeez.
Ooops - Frazier almost  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:37 pm : link
gave way to nobody...but recovered. He just needs reps.
RE: why does Clint  
rnargi : 6/11/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14469504 RasputinPrime said:
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look like he is playing outfield for the first time on almost every easy fly ball? Jeez.


I think his confidence is on the fritz. He's pressing. Trying to hard to be "himself" after more or less declaring himself different and unchanging.
Now, kick the door  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:40 pm : link
in and get some breathing room.
RE: RE: why does Clint  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14469508 rnargi said:
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I think his confidence is on the fritz. He's pressing. Trying to hard to be "himself" after more or less declaring himself different and unchanging.


I think it has all snowballed from that one game in Houston early on, the one where he dove twice and missed twice.
Morales decided to show up today  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:44 pm : link
First time for everything
We had been too easy on  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:45 pm : link
Morales...keep up the insults. 3 for 3 today.
rnargi  
arniefez : 6/11/2019 2:45 pm : link
I think you're 100% correct on Frazier. On an off topic note I was positive Voit was a fluke and would be in AAA by now while Bird took over and was was going to be an all star. Not quite.
Unbelievable Voit stat just now from Michael Kay  
BigBlue2112 : 6/11/2019 2:46 pm : link
Since being called up by the yanks last year no 1b has more homeruns, and only Yellich has more homeruns than Voit.
MORALES SCORED FROM SECOND  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:46 pm : link
MORALES SCORED FROM SECOND!!!

Dogs n cats - living together!

MASS HYSTERIA!

8-4
OMG!  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:46 pm : link
Morales scores on a single.....
Holy shit, Morales scored from second on a single?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:46 pm : link
I'm, I'm nonplussed....is that the right word?
RE: We had been too easy on  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14469518 section125 said:
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Morales...keep up the insults. 3 for 3 today.


He still pays homage to
RE: RE: RE: why does Clint  
rnargi : 6/11/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14469514 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14469508 rnargi said:


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I think his confidence is on the fritz. He's pressing. Trying to hard to be "himself" after more or less declaring himself different and unchanging.



I think it has all snowballed from that one game in Houston early on, the one where he dove twice and missed twice.


Exactly. He was a media darling before that, and a pariah afterwards for not speaking with them. I honestly don't think he realized what he was in for when the NYC klieg lights were trained upon him. He'll learn.
Wheeler's velocity noticeably  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:49 pm : link
down from 1st 3 innings - was sitting 97-98+. Now mostly 95-96.
Gardy flashing some old time speed  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:49 pm : link
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here's a post that didn't age so well  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:50 pm : link
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RE: RE: .
allstarjim : 6/10/2019 5:02 pm : link : reply
In comment 14468259 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14468237 allstarjim said:


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Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees"

Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be."

Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9

Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9

Go figure.



I already explained why I don't really give a shit about FIP. Also, one pitches in the AL East, one pitches in the NL East. Which do you think is a more difficult environment for a pitcher?


Fuckin' lame. "But but but I don't LIKE that stat!"

And btw, Wheeler pitching in the NL East definitely has had it tougher. More teams with deeper offenses in the NL East than the AL East, who have the Yankees and Red Sox.

The NL East have the worst offense in baseball in the Marlins, but the other 3 teams are really good offensively.

And Stroman has 3 starts vs AL East opponents this year, 1 vs the Red Sox, 1 vs the Rays, and 1 vs the Orioles...give me a break.

On the flip side, Wheeler has already faced the Nationals 4 times, the Braves once, and the Phillies twice (as well as a start vs the Marlins). There is zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.

I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 2:50 pm : link
Wasn't Wheeler supposed to lay the hammer down on the Yanks or something like that?
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
Nice timing, Greg!
Love me some two out thunder!  
rnargi : 6/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
!
big bad yankee fans  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...
By "slaps the Yankees down"  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:52 pm : link
I guess he meant allowing 9 runs on 10 hits in 4.2?
RE: By  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14469540 Greg from LI said:
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I guess he meant allowing 9 runs on 10 hits in 4.2?


Yeah but to be fair he thought the game was going to be tonight and not this afternoon.
Pitch 6 inches inside  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:54 pm : link
to LeMahieu - strike.
RE: Ooops - Frazier almost  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14469505 section125 said:
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gave way to nobody...but recovered. He just needs reps.


I think he's definitely gun shy/ leery of contact with anything out there,i.e. a wall or another player.

It was like he had that one all the way and caught a glimpse of Hicks and got spooked or something, then realized he was ok. Luckily enough the ball hung up enough for him get his bearings back and make the catch.

It sure wasn't pretty and there's something going on with him out there I'm not sure reps will cure. I think it's more like getting through this season, putting the concussions behind him and getting his mojo back out there. I hate to say it but it's almost like he's playing scared out there. Maybe scared is too severe but too cautious maybe?
RE: big bad yankee fans  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14469537 ryanmkeane said:
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...


Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.

My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.
RE: .  
Chris684 : 6/11/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14469534 arcarsenal said:
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Wasn't Wheeler supposed to lay the hammer down on the Yanks or something like that?


Weren't you a Mets fan completely ecstatic with their 11-1 start just 14 short months ago?

RE: big bad yankee fans  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14469537 ryanmkeane said:
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...


Guess Wheeler is pitching the 2nd game, too.

But ryan is right, the BP has sucked the past week.
RE: big bad yankee fans  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14469537 ryanmkeane said:
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...


Not for nothing dude, but what did you expect?
Hey Clint - use the  
section125 : 6/11/2019 2:57 pm : link
dead cow to catch the ball, not the bare hand.
I'm confused as to what I'm supposed to say here?  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 2:58 pm : link
the yankees are winning right now, its a double header...as in there's two games today. You guys must really need something this afternoon

And yes, I am a Mets fan and was very happy with their start. Was I supposed to be mad about their start? Find some better material gents.

Yanks are a much better team than the mets...i don't get what you want me to say about it
RE: .  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14469534 arcarsenal said:
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Wasn't Wheeler supposed to lay the hammer down on the Yanks or something like that?


Yup, his heat was going to carry them and setup the Yanks to be thrown off tonight by Vargas and his off speed stuff.

Sounds like a good theory but so far the Yanks have handled the heat from Wheeler. We'll see later about Vargas.

Like I thought coming in, these Yanks aren't fazed by anyone and just play who's next.
that's kinda the point  
bigbluehoya : 6/11/2019 3:01 pm : link
you're not supposed to say a fucking thing. One of your own guys got super mouthy, and now he's catching a bunch of shit for it.

We are all very aware that there's another game this evening. That's how double-headers work.
bigblue  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 3:04 pm : link
fucking relax dude "youre not supposed to say a thing" ok man, you yankee fans just run the thread then. jesus
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 3:05 pm : link
Lol, everyone's just kicking back the comment made yesterday... I think only one person here actually needs to "relax" and it's probably not who you think.
Rosario rbi on weak shit  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:05 pm : link
off the handle hit between the shift. Has to be annoying/
Can we get this clown Nido out finally?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 3:07 pm : link
Please?
RE: RE: big bad yankee fans  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14469548 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14469537 ryanmkeane said:


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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...



Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.

My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.


Gotta agree with Greg on this. Most Yankee fans here couldn't really give a rats ass about the Mets. We aren't concerned with them or anything like that.

I don't think there would be much if any smack being talked here if it weren't for a Mets fan stirring the pot yesterday, and now it's directed more at that than the Mets themselves or their other fans.
perfectly relaxed  
bigbluehoya : 6/11/2019 3:07 pm : link
you stated clearly that you weren't sure what you're supposed to say, after pretty much suggesting that the NYY fans were being unreasonable...you did read jim's garbage from yesterday, correct?

I don't hate the Mets at all  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
but the Mets fans had to know that thread was going to mostly populated with Yankees fans.
RE: I don't hate the Mets at all  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14469571 Jints in Carolina said:
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but the Mets fans had to know that thread was going to mostly populated with Yankees fans.


that this thread*
If it makes you feel better  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 3:12 pm : link
I thought going in that Vargas was the better matchup for the Mets. Junkballers always seem to give them trouble.
Vargas is due for a clunker  
figgy2989 : 6/11/2019 3:25 pm : link
I fully expect him to get shelled tonight.
Fielders having a hard time today  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:26 pm : link
with grounders. Wonder if they are not seeing the ball in the bright sunshine?
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 3:27 pm : link
Good spot for Kahnle to bounce back from his crappy outing in Cleveland.
RE: Fielders having a hard time today  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14469593 section125 said:
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with grounders. Wonder if they are not seeing the ball in the bright sunshine?


I'm going with that. This must feel like playing on Mercury.

Alonso strikes out on his backside.
I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
figgy2989 : 6/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.

RE: If it makes you feel better  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14469576 Greg from LI said:
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I thought going in that Vargas was the better matchup for the Mets. Junkballers always seem to give them trouble.


Agreed, the bats can catch up with the heat, but it's the offspeed stuff that seems to trip us up. Look at some of the games where we've put up only 1 or 2 runs (not shutout), and who we've faced.
Jordan Zimmerman- 91.2 average FB MPH
Matthew Boyd- 90.5
Homer Bailey- 93
Carlos Rodon- 92.9
Zack Greinke- 89.5
Merrill Kelly- 92
Yusei Kikuchi- 94
Zach Plesac- 95

Hopefully we can get to him early.
That was efficient  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 3:30 pm : link
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RE: Fielders having a hard time today  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14469593 section125 said:
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with grounders. Wonder if they are not seeing the ball in the bright sunshine?


I think that's certainly playing a part in it but I also think these guys are so used to playing at night, their body clocks haven't caught up 100% to game speed.

You'd think they'd be better than they are today because it's not totally a one off like they never play day games. It just looks like some of these guys had a nice night out last night and could've used some more sleep.
Conforto  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 3:33 pm : link
with a Frazier in RF turns a Clint single into a double.
nice to see a big day for Urshela  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 3:37 pm : link
He'd been scuffling the past two weeks
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Bill2 : 6/11/2019 3:37 pm : link
Its not often an even conversation and its not likely to be:

Most BBI Yankee fans don't actually take any joy in beating the Mets or even follow them. I know I rarely even know more than a handful of names on the Mets. Probably most Yankee fans on BBI know the Sox farm system better than the MLB of the Mets. We just don't compete with each other

I suspect there are many more BBI Yankee fans than Mets but I don't know. I never go on Mets Threads so the only Mets fans I recognize are ZGiants and now allstarjim. And arc in the old days.

Its simply not a rivalry. Now on the field, you have some good pitchers and one great one so the Mets team is competitive despite a big difference in front office capability.

That's really what we are seeing. Players are good on both teams but one GM office on down is in transition. The other is a juggernaut with the arrow pointing up.

Its not a fair comparison but Mets fans have pretty bad owners and the Yankees owners just keep the pedal to the mettle. The current Steinbrenner is not the competitive nut his father was but they still start each year with a straightforward goal top on down. WS every year. Compete for every edge. It is what it is.

RE: I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14469598 figgy2989 said:
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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.


I'll admit to checking in on a Mets game thread once in a while but it's definitely not to see if anyone is talking smack.

I have a decent amount of family and close friends who are Mets fans and I'll check to see if there's any news on the team. BBI is a pretty good place to find up to the minute happenings on the local clubs.

I do get a kick out of some threads where for no reason the Yanks are brought into it and taken a shot at. I have posted a reply to that kind of thing once in a while but it's not something I go looking for or reply to every time. Most of the time I just let it pass.
RE: I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14469598 figgy2989 said:
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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.


So a handful of guys check in on Mets threads and that condemns to whole lot? You could probably count on your hands those that check in.
Quite a satisfying  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 3:41 pm : link
offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power
This ump has called a good game  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:41 pm : link
except twice he called pitches well off the plate inside to LeMahieu a strike. Funny thing was he called the previous inside pitch a ball and the next one was lower and farther inside a strike...
RE: RE: I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
figgy2989 : 6/11/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14469616 section125 said:
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In comment 14469598 figgy2989 said:


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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.




So a handful of guys check in on Mets threads and that condemns to whole lot? You could probably count on your hands those that check in.


You would be surprised, it happens a lot more than you think.

RE: Quite a satisfying  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14469617 Kyle in NY said:
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power


He's even got his pitcher picked out!

I know fans usually don't want to see their own guy in the HR derby because they worry about the hangover and it messing with the players' swing, but I think Luke in the Derby would be awesome to see. I'd love for it to happen.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
Gio may have been a little too lax on that tag up. Oh well.

6 outs to get.
RE: Quite a satisfying  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14469617 Kyle in NY said:
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power


I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.
It was so cool  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
seeing Judge do it two years ago and crush. I really don't know if it's just a myth about the post-derby slump. I tend to think it is, although Judge did slump in that second half.

Regardless, I'd love to see all our top power guys do it at least once. It'd be part of a remarkable journey for Voit over the past year.
RE: RE: Quite a satisfying  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14469627 Eman11 said:
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power



I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.


Only Yelich has more over that span - 114 games?
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 3:49 pm : link
Hale and Cortes may make Cessa expendable... which I think we'd all prefer.
RE: RE: Quite a satisfying  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14469627 Eman11 said:
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power



I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.


He's certainly proven himself as legitimate. He hits the ball hard and he commands the strike zone well, it's a good combination. Plus the guy just looks like he's having a blast out there, he's so easy to root for. What a win for the analytics group finding him
Rosario with the PIA  
section125 : 6/11/2019 3:56 pm : link
at bat. Good at bat actually. Fought off about 6 good pitches. Just hoping Hale could do both innings.
RE: RE: big bad yankee fans  
allstarjim : 6/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14469548 Greg from LI said:
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...



Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.

My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.


Checking in, not the performance I was hoping for but he's still better than Stroman. And I'd wager he has better final numbers on the season, as well. The point was is in one breath you talk up Stroman so much and the next you crap on Wheeler who has had better numbers on the season. It's one game today and I don't even care all that much because I'm a jaded Mets fan, but the comment was still nonsensical.
RE: RE: RE: Quite a satisfying  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14469634 Kyle in NY said:
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power



I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.



He's certainly proven himself as legitimate. He hits the ball hard and he commands the strike zone well, it's a good combination. Plus the guy just looks like he's having a blast out there, he's so easy to root for. What a win for the analytics group finding him


Agreed 100%. He's certainly won me over.

I remember his first few games or so I wasn't impressed or even hopeful. I was just glad we didn't give up much in Shreve and was glad he was gone. I would've taken a bag of balls for him but Voit has turned out to be a border line All Star player and like you said, easy and fun to root for.
Fangraphs lets you look at splits for a date range you set yourself  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
Voit came up on August 2 last year. Including today, has played in 105 games since then and hit 30 homers. Now, that's slanted pretty heavily to last year (slugged .686 last season, .500 so far this year) but still, that's pretty damned good. For example, in that time....

Bellinger: 116 games, 28 homers
Trout: 94 games, 27 homers

Yelich, of course, leads everyone with 45 in 111 games in that span. Yikes.
Better numbers on the season?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 4:03 pm : link
Sure that's still the case after today?

Hug FIP tight all you want, it's a flawed stat. I'll take the guy who has pitched well in the AL East, thanks. You can keep Wheeler and his ERA of 5.
Gary is Krakken it open  
YAJ2112 : 6/11/2019 4:06 pm : link
2 run bomb
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
It's funny, I remember right before Voit really broke out, he was scuffling quite a bit since his call up - and I was just about at the point where I was thinking he just wasn't cut out for the bigs and that we needed to figure out a better option.

Thankfully the people in charge here are a lot smarter than I am and knew what they were doing.

Heck of a find.

Imagine being in the Cardinals shoes. Paying big bucks to acquire and pay Goldschmidt... while Voit is outperforming him and making absolute peanuts in comparison. And on top of that, only getting Shreve and Gallegos in return.

Gallegos has been okay - but I'm sure that's one they'd like to have back.

Kraken!
GARY!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
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What would Sanchez  
MattyKid : 6/11/2019 4:08 pm : link
command on the open market?
#20 for Sanchezmo...  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:08 pm : link
almost the same spot as Voit's and that wind is gusting pretty good left to right.
bout time!  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 4:09 pm : link
It'd been *checks calendar* six days since his last homer. Lazy Gary, as usual.
We're not even at the All Star break yet,  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 4:09 pm : link
and Sanchez has 20 HRs on the season. Damn.
Wow 12-5  
gmenatlarge : 6/11/2019 4:09 pm : link
The Mets suck again and will probably get swept today, truly pathetic performance!
RE: What would Sanchez  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14469663 MattyKid said:
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command on the open market?


$25+ for 8 years minimum.
RE: What would Sanchez  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14469663 MattyKid said:
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command on the open market?


With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.

You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 4:13 pm : link
FWIW, I don't think Gary would actually get 30 per.

But I bet he could ask for it and get close if he were on the open market.
RE: We're not even at the All Star break yet,  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14469668 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and Sanchez has 20 HRs on the season. Damn.


And he missed a few weeks too. 20 homers in 47 games.
Just keeping this thread  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:14 pm : link
for the 2nd game?
RE: RE: We're not even at the All Star break yet,  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14469676 Greg from LI said:
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and Sanchez has 20 HRs on the season. Damn.



And he missed a few weeks too. 20 homers in 47 games.


Incredible. That's almost, just about 1 HR every 2 games.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 4:15 pm : link
I like David Hale... I think he's carving himself a nice role in this bullpen.
If Hale keeps this up,  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
it could make Cessa expendable for a trade. I think he still has some value to another bullpen.
Game 1 victory  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 4:19 pm : link
Game 2 lineups will be posted when I see them.
RE: Just keeping this thread  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14469678 section125 said:
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for the 2nd game?


yes
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 4:21 pm : link
Nice win, fellas.

No game yesterday, plus Tanaka/Hale (and Kahnle needing just a few bullets) and an off day tomorrow, I'd assume that the big guns should be available out of the pen tonight.

Would like to see Pax get us through at least 6 anyway.
With Hale I see one flaw.  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
He seems to get 2 quick strikes then throws a couple waste pitches not near enough to make the hitter flinch. I understand trying to get an out without throwing a strike, but it needs to start out looking like a strike or be a bit enticing and not just something thrown up there.

But good job using only three pitchers(well Kahnle to one batter). Kudos to Tanaka hanging in for 6 2/3s.

See y'all later.
RE: RE: Just keeping this thread  
section125 : 6/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14469687 Jints in Carolina said:
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for the 2nd game?



yes


bueno!
Good win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 4:28 pm : link
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RE: Game 1 victory  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14469686 Jints in Carolina said:
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Game 2 lineups will be posted when I see them.


Cool beans jints and way to keep the record gping strong.
RE: RE: What would Sanchez  
gmenatlarge : 6/11/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14469672 arcarsenal said:
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command on the open market?



With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.

You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.


Jeez, and to think last year most Yankee fans wanted Sanchez gone...
Time for the Big Maple  
Carson53 : 6/11/2019 4:48 pm : link
to step up in game 2, he's got a couple starts under his belt now since returning from the 'IL'. Hopefully they saved a few runs for the next game.
Callaway making a fool of himself on SNY  
gmenatlarge : 6/11/2019 4:49 pm : link
Talking about running off 22 in a row with his past teams, the Mets can barely get 2 in a row, always making excuses for his players, truly clueless!
RE: RE: RE: What would Sanchez  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14469704 gmenatlarge said:
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Jeez, and to think last year most Yankee fans wanted Sanchez gone...


Only the stupid ones
RE: RE: RE: What would Sanchez  
Mike from SI : 6/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14469704 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14469663 MattyKid said:


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command on the open market?



With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.

You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.



Jeez, and to think last year most Yankee fans wanted Sanchez gone...


Just some of the short-sighted ones, who rarely show their faces on Yankees threads these days.

Btw, all hail Jints!
RE: Callaway making a fool of himself on SNY  
Carson53 : 6/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14469722 gmenatlarge said:
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Talking about running off 22 in a row with his past teams, the Mets can barely get 2 in a row, always making excuses for his players, truly clueless!


Someone should ask him why they had Davis in LF at
Yankee Stadium, not very smart. Big LF to play for
an inexperienced outfielder.
RE: I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
X : 6/11/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14469598 figgy2989 said:
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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.


Exactly! As a Mets fan, I can't even have a rational conversation with Yankee fans (in person) because they have a complex about how great their franchise is bringing up championships from 90 years ago! At least we know we suck. That is also another reason Red Sox and Mets fans band together when they play and chant in unison "Yankees suck".
Ooof,  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 5:15 pm : link
that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.
great win..  
2cents : 6/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
very satisfying win, love to see them keep fighting back after going down early. now lets keep the foot on the gas and bury vargas early, if he gets into a groove like his last outing we may be in trouble, they always seem to struggle in spots like this.
some distance on those balls today  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 5:22 pm : link
412 for Voit, 422 for Sanchez.
RE: RE: I do find it kind of amusing and a bit ironic  
LarmerTJR : 6/11/2019 5:26 pm : link



In comment 14469739 X said:
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In comment 14469598 figgy2989 said:


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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.

But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.




Exactly! As a Mets fan, I can't even have a rational conversation with Yankee fans (in person) because they have a complex about how great their franchise is bringing up championships from 90 years ago! At least we know we suck. That is also another reason Red Sox and Mets fans band together when they play and chant in unison "Yankees suck".
RE: some distance on those balls today  
Del Shofner : 6/11/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14469752 Greg from LI said:
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412 for Voit, 422 for Sanchez.


Yeah, just saw the replays. Both no-doubters.

Urshela hit his hard too.
RE: Ooof,  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14469746 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.


Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.

I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.
RE: RE: Ooof,  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14469767 Eman11 said:
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that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.



Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.

I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.


Hahahaha. Really someone said that? Yikes.
RE: RE: RE: Ooof,  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14469768 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14469746 Dave in Hoboken said:


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that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.



Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.

I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.



Hahahaha. Really someone said that? Yikes.


Yup. They were serious too.

It was one I couldn't even reply to as I figured why even bother? It'd be like talking to a wall.
Canon  
Jay in Toronto : 6/11/2019 6:27 pm : link
when I was at the Blue Jays game last weeks I was watching guys warming up in the outfield.

One guy was throwing bullets from right field across to left (toward third base). It really looked like being shot out of a canon. I was wondering who that outfielder could be.

It was Sanchez.
Both Judge and Stanton  
JPinstripes : 6/11/2019 6:31 pm : link
may be at Scranton playing rehab games this weekend.
I'm a Yankees fan. We've been plenty lucky on top of being good.  
Mike from SI : 6/11/2019 6:46 pm : link
Luke Voit is one example. Or how in the late 00s early teens each year we'd have some nobody pitcher have a great year for us seemingly every year. Or the time we salvaged a winning record with a very negative season run differential. Acknowledging the luck doesn't take away from how good the team has been.
RE: Both Judge and Stanton  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14469788 JPinstripes said:
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may be at Scranton playing rehab games this weekend.


And I will be there in Durham!
Game 2 lineups  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 6:55 pm : link
NYM
Jeff McNeil (L) 2B
J.D. Davis (R) LF
Pete Alonso (R) 1B
Todd Frazier (R) DH
Michael Conforto (L) RF
Wilson Ramos (R) C
Amed Rosario (R) SS
Adeiny Hechavarria (R) 3B
Carlos Gomez (R) CF

NYY
DJ LeMahieu (R) 2B
Luke Voit (R) 1B
Gary Sanchez (R) DH
Gleyber Torres (R) SS
Clint Frazier (R) RF
Gio Urshela (R) 3B
Cameron Maybin (R) LF
Austin Romine (R) C
Brett Gardner (L) CF

Vargas vs. Paxton

76 degrees at first pitch. No rain.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 7:03 pm : link
Let's go, Pax!
RE: I'm a Yankees fan. We've been plenty lucky on top of being good.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14469792 Mike from SI said:
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Luke Voit is one example. Or how in the late 00s early teens each year we'd have some nobody pitcher have a great year for us seemingly every year. Or the time we salvaged a winning record with a very negative season run differential. Acknowledging the luck doesn't take away from how good the team has been.


Where exactly is the 'luck' involved in there? Voit is a good/solid player. Some times guys come along alittle bit later than most expect. I love Voit. But he's a good player. Not a great one. And anything about this team in the late 2000's/early teens that isn't strictly about 2009? How about all of the times in this entire 2010 decade of postseason play that our lineup went didn't hit. I think luck in this decade is a bit of a stretch. If we had any kind of luck since 2010 we'd at least have had 'lucked' ourselves into at least on championship this decade by now.
RE: .  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14469804 arcarsenal said:
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Let's go, Pax!


Um yea....not a good start.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
Bad Maple.
I was worried Paxton would come out flat  
Hsilwek92 : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
I hate that I’m right.
Come the fuck on Paxton  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
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Alonso  
JayBinQueens : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
Is a beaut to watch
Nice start Pax..  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
two whiffle ball hits and a crushed one..
Alonso is good  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 7:16 pm : link
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RE: I was worried Paxton would come out flat  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14469819 Hsilwek92 said:
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I hate that I’m right.


Next time don't think that way..
One hitter to worry about...  
LarmerTJR : 6/11/2019 7:18 pm : link
The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.
Good job, Jimbo.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 7:20 pm : link
Ya' geek.
RE: One hitter to worry about...  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14469828 LarmerTJR said:
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.


Pitchers miss locations. It happens often.
Paxton just neds to settle down  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:25 pm : link
we are good for about 8 off Vargas tonight.
Sanchez worked that AB  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:29 pm : link
but chased a pitch too low to drive.
Torres with a nice little poke to CF  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:30 pm : link
time for Clint to rip a triple. Do it ya red-haired beautiful bastid.
No reason to be caught  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:35 pm : link
looking with Vargas. There is little speed differential between FB and breaking balls. WHy would you be fooled if looking for an 82 mph BB and an 85-87 mph FB...
we should have had at least 3 on him in the first  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
Paxton needs to dust Barberie so we can get back to it.
Paxton sitting at a very hittable 93mph  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
not close to the zip on his FB that he usually brings.
Paxton  
JPinstripes : 6/11/2019 7:41 pm : link
was 95 high and away on the HR pitch to Alonso. That's one where you tip your cap to the hitter and move along.
RE: we should have had at least 3 on him in the first  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14469855 RasputinPrime said:
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Paxton needs to dust Barberie so we can get back to it.


who the fuck is Barberie??
RE: RE: we should have had at least 3 on him in the first  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14469860 section125 said:
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Paxton needs to dust Barberie so we can get back to it.



who the fuck is Barberie??


The Met's second-baseman.
Hello clone technology - ( New Window )
Who socked Brett in the mouth?  
rnargi : 6/11/2019 7:47 pm : link
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RE: Who socked Brett in the mouth?  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14469867 rnargi said:
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Brett socked Brett. True story.
Lol oh yeah  
rnargi : 6/11/2019 7:48 pm : link
Helmet man lol. What a dumbass!
RE: Lol oh yeah  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14469869 rnargi said:
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Helmet man lol. What a dumbass!


But really it was Morales' fault.
Pax  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 7:59 pm : link
really not sharp for a second straight start.

4-0
Looks like Paxton's  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:59 pm : link
knee is hurting again.
RE: Looks like Paxton's  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14469880 section125 said:
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knee is hurting again.


It has to be because he looks like hot garbage.

Give Adams a chance. Against this Mets team this isn't over.
6-0  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:08 pm : link
on another 89 year old cumshot. Dear lord this was a lot of spittle.

Let's go Adams!
Dink and fucking dunk  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2019 8:08 pm : link
Fuck this
"Against this team"  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 8:12 pm : link
lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.
This was atrocious from Paxton  
dpinzow : 6/11/2019 8:12 pm : link
Wondering if he’s healthy because giving up 6 runs to the Mets is what either injured pitchers or non-MLB quality pitchers do
Not a fan of this acquisition thus far.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 8:13 pm : link
Looking like we need not one but two starters. Lovely.
Against the Red Sox or Rays, maybe.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 8:14 pm : link
But to get rocked tonight, like, come on.
RE: Paxton  
Vanzetti : 6/11/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14469858 JPinstripes said:
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was 95 high and away on the HR pitch to Alonso. That's one where you tip your cap to the hitter and move along.


The book on Alonso is that he will chase high fastballs. I think Pax needed to throw that a few inches higher.
RE:  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14469890 ZGiants98 said:
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lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.


I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
Vargas  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:18 pm : link
doesn't need a few extra inches off the plate. Enough already.
The Mets don't have any trouble scoring runs.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2019 8:19 pm : link
They hit pretty well. They get on base. Their defense is bad and their pitching has been wildly uneven. Every scoreless inning from Vargas feels like a miracle, yet he pitched a complete game shutout a few days ago. Who knows what to expect from these guys.
RE: The Mets don't have any trouble scoring runs.  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14469899 81_Great_Dane said:
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They hit pretty well. They get on base. Their defense is bad and their pitching has been wildly uneven. Every scoreless inning from Vargas feels like a miracle, yet he pitched a complete game shutout a few days ago. Who knows what to expect from these guys.


If you can call in any favors and make sure their pitching is especially bad the rest of the game i'd be much obliged.
RE: Vargas  
Vanzetti : 6/11/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14469898 RasputinPrime said:
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doesn't need a few extra inches off the plate. Enough already.


Actually, he does
RE: RE: The Mets don't have any trouble scoring runs.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14469900 RasputinPrime said:
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They hit pretty well. They get on base. Their defense is bad and their pitching has been wildly uneven. Every scoreless inning from Vargas feels like a miracle, yet he pitched a complete game shutout a few days ago. Who knows what to expect from these guys.



If you can call in any favors and make sure their pitching is especially bad the rest of the game i'd be much obliged.
Vargas'll take care of you, Yankee fans.
And by "take care of you"  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2019 8:23 pm : link
I mean make you happy.
Here we go  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 8:24 pm : link
Nice knock by Gleyber and just keep the train moving.
6-1  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:24 pm : link
POUR IT ON!
fucking shift steals a hit from Frazier  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:25 pm : link
6-2

Time for Gio.
62mph fielders choice  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:28 pm : link
6-3

small ball in the 3rd in contemplation of going super-alpha in the 4th.
Gio with the hustle rbi  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 8:29 pm : link
He just seems to find a way with RISP and especially with less than two outs.

Halved the lead with plenty of game left.
RE: One hitter to worry about...  
MyNameIsMyName : 6/11/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14469828 LarmerTJR said:
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.


One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.
RE: RE: One hitter to worry about...  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14469912 MyNameIsMyName said:
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.



One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.


I'll gladly be the thing that holds the thing that maintains the most important thing. Don't be jealous - oh wait....

Gio was a bad and lazy play going over the shoulder...results in 2 run bomb by Davis. Adams not helping himself with an awful slider.

8-3
Paxton likely  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 8:37 pm : link
is not fully healthy. We need a starting pitcher yesterday
Who the hell is JD Davis?  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
Cmon....it's one thing to get beaten, it's another thing to get beaten by some random hump like that.
No worries  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
This is gonna end up with a football final score and the Bombers will be on top.
Like I said, the Mets score runs.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
If Vargas can't get through 6, though, they may need 10+ runs to win. The bullpen is that bad.
RE: Paxton likely  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14469916 Kyle in NY said:
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is not fully healthy. We need a starting pitcher yesterday


We needed another starter before the season started and certainly when Sevy went down. Regardless of how we do in the regular season, this rotation isn't going to beat Verlander-Cole-____-Verlander-Cole.
RE: Who the hell is JD Davis?  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14469917 Greg from LI said:
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Cmon....it's one thing to get beaten, it's another thing to get beaten by some random hump like that.


He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.

Either way, with the baseball jumping, anything in the air seems to be going out. Makes Judge and Stanton being out almost unbearable. They'd be up to 30 apiece by now.
RE: Who the hell is JD Davis?  
Kyle in NY : 6/11/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14469917 Greg from LI said:
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Cmon....it's one thing to get beaten, it's another thing to get beaten by some random hump like that.


Well Chance Adams isn’t exactly a legend in his own right.
RE: RE: One hitter to worry about...  
LarmerTJR : 6/11/2019 8:44 pm : link
Again. One hitter to truly worry about and getting beat by the rest is unacceptable.

Sorry, but it’s true.

In comment 14469912 MyNameIsMyName said:
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.



One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.
RE: RE: Who the hell is JD Davis?  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/11/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14469922 RasputinPrime said:
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He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.
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I’m guessing you mean third base?
RE: RE: RE: Who the hell is JD Davis?  
RasputinPrime : 6/11/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14469926 Jim in Fairfax said:
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He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.
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I’m guessing you mean third base?


He's got a glove for that position too? Crazy.

Don't be hating on Chance. He's picking his moment to shine.
And now a washed up Carlos Gomez...  
LarmerTJR : 6/11/2019 9:04 pm : link
Good lord.
Carlos Gomez? Really?  
PetesHereNow : 6/11/2019 9:05 pm : link
What a douchebag.
Syracuse update  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 9:10 pm : link
Cano 3-3 with two doubles and an RBI.
Nimmo 0-3 with a walk.
Justin Wilson one scoreless, 2ks, touching 94-ish
Very nice play by Hechavarria  
Ira : 6/11/2019 9:15 pm : link
.
Have the Mets  
nygnyy274 : 6/11/2019 9:16 pm : link
Scored double digit runs this year??? Absolute embarrassment to this team at home giving up this amount of runs. The Mets can’t score runs there abysmal
.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
I'm not that bummed about losing out on Keuchel, but we're going to need pitching help ASAP.

Can't just assume we'll get Sevy back and he'll have no rust. Pax may have this knee thing bug him for a while. German is on the shelf and might be hitting a bit of a wall. Masa hasn't been able to find his splitter and while Happ has been a little better lately, he's still giving up way to many long balls.

The bullpen is good enough even if Betances can't get back until later this year. The lineup will score enough runs. But, to get through a team like Houston and get to a WS, where the Dodgers will probably be waiting on the other side with those hitters... gonna need some serious pitching help.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/11/2019 9:21 pm : link
I didn't even mention CC... but we know what he is at this point. If he gets us 5 innings and gives up 2-3 runs, it's basically a win.

That's fine at the back end of the rotation. But, we really need another TOR starter or at least a middle rotation guy.
I always like Ramos batting with two outs  
Vanzetti : 6/11/2019 9:25 pm : link
where he cant GIDP
Mets will get a boost from  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 9:27 pm : link
Nimmo, Cano, and Wilson returning this weekend. Hopefully Lowrie also starts a rehab assignment this weekend....again Rotation is fine, Wheeler's poor start today not withstanding. Pen is evening out. Keep battling... schedule eases up after the all star break.
This is a great thread to archive for when a yankee fan wonders  
JayBinQueens : 6/11/2019 9:31 pm : link
Why other fans hate them
Another quality start for Vargas  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 9:32 pm : link
Nice job Jason.
RE: RE:  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/11/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14469897 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14469890 ZGiants98 said:


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lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.



I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.


Sounds like the worst kind of yankee fan. Team should have 100 wins every year in your mind, I assume.
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ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14469965 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.



I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.



Sounds like the worst kind of yankee fan. Team should have 100 wins every year in your mind, I assume.


I think it's hilarious. Much sting extra hard for a team to come into your house and walk away with a split with your #3 and #5 starters going.... you know... for such an inferior team and all....
Down 6, previous batter gets walked on 4 pitches  
PetesHereNow : 6/11/2019 9:53 pm : link
Frazier swinging at the first pitch really irks me.
See ya Soon Riley...  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 9:57 pm : link
Ryley Gilliam in his Triple-A debut for the Syracuse Mets:

1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

The Mets 2018 5th rounder has 77 strikeouts in 47.2 minor league innings.
Next month Judge, Stanton, and Sevy will be back.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 9:59 pm : link
The big guns. They'll be back for the next series with this...team. Great to even get a split with our 3 best players out.
Intentional antagonizing is always fascinating  
moespree : 6/11/2019 10:04 pm : link
Makes the normal folk wonder how little one must have going on in their life to devote even a meager amount of time to such a thing.
Lugo tickling 98  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 10:07 pm : link
Sure is nice having him back!
RE: This is a great thread to archive for when a yankee fan wonders  
Eman11 : 6/11/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14469953 JayBinQueens said:
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Why other fans hate them


That's honestly something I've NEVER wondered about because I don't care if other fans love us or hate us. In fact I expect other fans to hate us because we root for such a successful franchise. It doesn't bother me one bit if they do.

RE: RE: This is a great thread to archive for when a yankee fan wonders  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/11/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14469985 Eman11 said:
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Why other fans hate them



That's honestly something I've NEVER wondered about because I don't care if other fans love us or hate us. In fact I expect other fans to hate us because we root for such a successful franchise. It doesn't bother me one bit if they do.


B-b-but other baseball fans hate your team and your fanbase. Your self-worth is now ruined! How could you not care what a bunch of strangers think of you?!
Upcoming Mets Roster Moves  
Samiam : 6/11/2019 10:26 pm : link
Who gets sent down when Cano and Nimmo get activated? No easy choices. Guessing either Santiago or Peterson when Wilson is back. Any chance they go with 12 pitchers? Also, when Lowrie, comes, it’ll really get interesting unless there’s an injury.
RE: Upcoming Mets Roster Moves  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14469991 Samiam said:
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Who gets sent down when Cano and Nimmo get activated? No easy choices. Guessing either Santiago or Peterson when Wilson is back. Any chance they go with 12 pitchers? Also, when Lowrie, comes, it’ll really get interesting unless there’s an injury.


Yeah they've been at 12 pitchers all year. They only went to 13 and recalled Peterson when Cano just went back on the IL for not being ready yet. Im guessing two relievers go down and one position player. Maybe Lagares or Gomez. Gotta admit Gomez's hot week is going to make that a little trickier.
RE: This is a great thread to archive for when a yankee fan wonders  
Mike Graves : 6/11/2019 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14469953 JayBinQueens said:
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Why other fans hate them



Yea and met fans are just dandy. Your fan base is a complete joke. I cant tell you the amount of met fans that worry more what the Yankees do then there own team. How’s taking back New York doing?///
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You have incited the magnanimous Mike Graves  
adamg : 6/11/2019 10:56 pm : link
You have erred to the extreme....
As a Yankee fan, I cannot defend my people  
adamg : 6/11/2019 10:59 pm : link
There are a lot of shitty Yankee fans. It comes with having the most fans. There's a lot of bandwagon on bandwagon. As a fourth generation (and therefore legitimate and "old money") Yankee fan, I can only watch in horror as the proletariat act as they do. The heathens.
I don't hate the Mets at all - I have great memories from '69 and '73  
Del Shofner : 6/11/2019 11:28 pm : link
when the Yanks sucked and the Mets were the only game in town. I root for the Mets to win when they're playing anyone other than the Yanks. I also feel bad about the Mets' owners from the fans' viewpoint, just as I'm sure some people feel bad that I as a Knicks fan am stuck with Dolan.

Look, it is what it is. Imagine if the internet had been around in the '50s when the Giants, Dodgers and Yanks were all in NYC and frequently met in the World Series. We'd have constant meltdowns.
The Mets have some good young players.  
Hsilwek92 : 6/12/2019 12:14 am : link
Alonso is a stud.
RE: Upcoming Mets Roster Moves  
giantsFC : 6/12/2019 12:38 am : link
In comment 14469991 Samiam said:
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Who gets sent down when Cano and Nimmo get activated? No easy choices. Guessing either Santiago or Peterson when Wilson is back. Any chance they go with 12 pitchers? Also, when Lowrie, comes, it’ll really get interesting unless there’s an injury.


Mickey Mouse will make the worst decision. That’s all that is a guarantee.

Prob will be Dom Smith again. Followed by JD Davis. Bc that’s how we roll on the south side
It is what it is as the Internet brings out the worst in people  
bhill410 : 6/12/2019 4:09 am : link
Considering it’s a giants message board and not a jets message board I would hope folks would be a little bit more cordial but that’s a pipe dream. We can’t even have a normal discourse on Eli Manning or Jones and we all want either/or to do well, so yankee/Mets really brings out some craziness.
Works out OK actually  
dpinzow : 6/12/2019 6:24 am : link
Rays and Red Sox both lost so there is no effect on the division standings. So the doubleheader split is no big deal
I'm fine with the split...  
Metnut : 6/12/2019 7:43 am : link
especially having Vargas go versus NYY's best pitcher. I was at work during the opener but seemed like Wheeler had good stuff and fell apart a bit later on and had some bad defense behind him.

Great opportunity at home to pounce on a STL team that's really struggling this weekend. Anything less than 3 out of 4 would be a bust IMO.
Brief Pete Alonso interview w Bleacher Report  
Ira : 6/12/2019 8:49 am : link
He's a cool guy.
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its amazing to me that Yankee  
ryanmkeane : 6/12/2019 9:27 am : link
fans think that other team's players who arent popular or "no names" (like JD Davis) are much, much, much, much worse than the same type of players the Yankees have.
RE: its amazing to me that Yankee  
figgy2989 : 6/12/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14470200 ryanmkeane said:
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fans think that other team's players who arent popular or "no names" (like JD Davis) are much, much, much, much worse than the same type of players the Yankees have.


Funny you mentioned JD Davis. He was referred to as a bum, yet Gio Urshela, who had a similar career path to Davis is a rising star. Both are similar age and progression through the minors/majors.
Wait, who called Urshela a rising star???  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 9:33 am : link
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also, gotta love Baghdad Z getting butthurt about the "inferior team"  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 9:35 am : link
jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.
Maybe rising star was a bit strong  
figgy2989 : 6/12/2019 9:36 am : link
But there was definitely some gushing when he first came up.

Just curious how Yanks fans would react if we called Urshela some random hump? I am sure that comment would have gone over well.
wouldn't bother me any  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 9:40 am : link
Because he did jack shit before this year. I've enjoyed the hell out of the ride, but if he went into a tailspin I wouldn't be shocked. It's going to take more than a couple of months for me to believe he's for real.
gushing?  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2019 9:59 am : link
he was hitting about .370 and producing in huge spots. Of course everyone was ecstatic. Pretty sure not a single person thought that was reflective of his long term outlook.

There were specific conversations where NYY posters were wondering if, given the seeming skills improvement, a long-term run-rate of like .270 / .340 / .440 might be realistic. and the vast majority of posters seemed to think it was probably too aggressive.

so much gushing.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:07 am : link
if you watch baseball, how the fuck can a line like this ever get typed??

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I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.


Based on this rationale, the worst teams would NEVER win.

It is like game threads are just a cesspool of complete idiocy.
bigbluehoya  
figgy2989 : 6/12/2019 10:09 am : link
Point still remains, if a Mets called Urshela a random hump, do you think that comment would go over well with Yanks fans?

RE: bigbluehoya  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14470244 figgy2989 said:
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Point still remains, if a Mets called Urshela a random hump, do you think that comment would go over well with Yanks fans?


I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't care at all because that's pretty much what he is - a guy who couldn't hit his weight in his time with Cleveland who is hitting way over his head right now.
By the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:11 am : link
in the College Super Regionals, Duke beat Vandy 18-3 in Game 1.

Vandy won the next two games. How does that happen??? How does a team lose 18-3 and win the next two games? Inconceivable!!
RE: also, gotta love Baghdad Z getting butthurt about the  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14470208 Greg from LI said:
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jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.


Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.

Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.

Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.

Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).

Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"

anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?

and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.

I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.

and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.

but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.

And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.
RE: RE: bigbluehoya  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14470249 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14470244 figgy2989 said:


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Point still remains, if a Mets called Urshela a random hump, do you think that comment would go over well with Yanks fans?




I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't care at all because that's pretty much what he is - a guy who couldn't hit his weight in his time with Cleveland who is hitting way over his head right now.


I'm with Greg. Wouldn't bother me in the least. 2 months ago, 'random hump' would have been a compliment on Urshela. And there's a good chance he'll be random hump again before too long.

I can see why it could get under people's skin. I don't know why people let it, though.
There's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:17 am : link
quite a bit of a time gap here:

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My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.


The mid to late 70's was when Montreal was dominant (as were the Yankees), but fast-forward 20 years and that was also when the Yankees were dominant.

It isn't like we are looking at the hey day of the Chicago Bears under Halas here.
RE: RE: also, gotta love Baghdad Z getting butthurt about the  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14470252 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14470208 Greg from LI said:


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jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.



Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.

Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.

Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.

Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).

Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"

anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?

and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.

I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.

and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.

but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.

And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.

Great post Pj.
RE: By the way..  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14470250 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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in the College Super Regionals, Duke beat Vandy 18-3 in Game 1.

Vandy won the next two games. How does that happen??? How does a team lose 18-3 and win the next two games? Inconceivable!!


The 2014 and 2015 CWS finals were crazy mirror images of each other. In 2014, UVA was the dominant team. That was the best team Brian O'Connor ever had, and it's really not even close. We were huge favorites over Vanderbilt but then Nathan Kirby forgot how to throw a strike in game 1 and our ace closer, Nick Howard, blew a lead in game 3 so we lost. The next year, Vandy was the dominant team and the huge favorite while UVA lost a bunch of guys and barely even snuck into the postseason, but that series we won.
Greg..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:25 am : link
that shouldn't be possible!!!

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I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
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Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14470272 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that shouldn't be possible!!!



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I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.


What's wrong with this comment FMIC? It's a fact which is proven by the fact that the Marlins and Orioles are winless this season.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:33 am : link
I chuckled.
RE: RE: also, gotta love Baghdad Z getting butthurt about the  
rich in DC : 6/12/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14470252 pjcas18 said:
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jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.



Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.

Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.

Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.

Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).

Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"

anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?

and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.

I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.

and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.

but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.

And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.


This might be the most ironic post I have seen in a while. The writer starts by trying to dismiss the inferiority complex idea- and then proceeds to demonstrate an inferiority complex.

Here's a hint- most fans don't care about whether you have an inferiority complex or not- just don't go there. Follow your team objectively and don't get caught up in the chest-beating or tearing down other teams to try and justify your fandom. Going on and on about one side or the other is tiresome and boring to read.
LOL  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2019 10:41 am : link
my post demonstrated an inferiority complex.

If anything your reaction to it demonstrates an inferiority complex.

Or at least insecurity.
well, Susan, it's like I always say  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 10:44 am : link
you just can't predict baseball


My observations about the Yankees  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:56 pm : link
I'm a Mets fan but I do not dislike the Yanks. I always root for them to beat Boston, Dodgers, Braves and other teams dislike. So what follows is as objective as I can be:

1. Cashman did an amazing job having guys read to fill in for injured players.He knows how o find guys who thrive in Yankee Stadium and in that lineup. I know this is obvious but it might still be underappreciated.

2. I know Yankee fans might not want to hear this but the team needs an ace. You acquired two middle of the rotation starters in Happ and Paxson. Those prospects and cap space would have bee better spent imo on a single dominant pitcher.

Think about going into playoffs with Degrom or Sherzer pitching first, followed by Severino. Now Severino is forced to be the ace, a role he might not yet be ready to assume.

If I'm the Yanks, I take a chance on Bumgarner. You just have to do load management because his shoulder can't take 200 innings
I grew up hating the yanks but the animosity ended post-Madoff  
Eric on Li : 6/12/2019 1:16 pm : link
it's just not even a competition anymore, not that it ever really was. Obviously the rivalry peaked in 2000, but then the Mets dropped the ball on A-Rod + Hampton and that WS team fell apart.

In 04, 05, 06 it looked like there might be a renewal with Reyes + Wright + Beltran but obviously that argument turned farcical really quickly.

The Madoff mess IMO was the death blow. The Mets barely operate as a mid-market team now, let alone a competitor of the Yankees (or Dodgers, or Red Sox, or Cubs). They haven't competed for the same players in a decade, they don't trade with each other, they enter the season with totally different expectations.

Even in 2015 when the Mets almost won the WS and Thor made the comments about NY being a "mets town" it didn't matter. Sure there was more optimism among Met fans about our own team + situation, but IMO any elements of a rivalry were so far beneath what they were in the early 2000's when there was a semi-honest competitiveness in terms of resources or effort level to win (or maybe there wasn't but met fans hadn't full caught on to the Wilpons games yet). Perhaps this is a misread, but I think by and large most Met fans are far more emotionally "triggered" by the mess of our own org vs. comparing to any other and now it's just a fringe that get worked about about the Yankees (vs. the inverse previously). the 2 franchises are just operating in 2 completely different orbits that have little impact on one another. If the Mets start competing like a big market team again one day maybe it will come back but with the wilpons that's just never going to happen.
If I'm the Yankees...  
Metnut : 6/12/2019 1:37 pm : link
I'd give the Marlins a call about Caleb Smith. Give them 3 or 4 prospects. Kid has the upside to be a legit ace, breaking out this year and under team control forever. Yankees coaching staff could probably untap even more production out of him.

Renting a declining past-prime Bumgarner because of old playoff performances when his arm wasn't shot or #3 starter like Stroman doesn't really seem worth it.

As currently constituted, Yankees would be a pretty significant underdog to HOU in a 7-game series IMO. They have so much position player depth that it makes sense to consolidate that into a front line starter.
I don't think Bumgarner makes sense for the Yankees  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 1:53 pm : link
If they wanted him it would have made more sense to just sign Keuchel.
Scherzer is the guy that makes sense for nyy  
Eric on Li : 6/12/2019 1:58 pm : link
what he costs is another question, but he's the guy that makes sense.
3 or 4 prospects for Caleb Smith??  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 2:28 pm : link
A soon to be 28 year old whose track record as a plus pitcher is limited to this partial season? And who the Yankees traded to the Marlins for next to nothing not even two years ago?

Stroman has better numbers than Smith despite pitching in the AL and has a helluva lot more of a track record, plus they're almost the same age.
RE: 3 or 4 prospects for Caleb Smith??  
Metnut : 6/12/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14470553 Greg from LI said:
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A soon to be 28 year old whose track record as a plus pitcher is limited to this partial season? And who the Yankees traded to the Marlins for next to nothing not even two years ago?

Stroman has better numbers than Smith despite pitching in the AL and has a helluva lot more of a track record, plus they're almost the same age.


Smith is striking out over 11 per 9 (pretty insane for a starter) compared to Stroman's less than 7 per 9. Smith is walking 2.73 per 9 compared to 3.09 for Stroman. XFIP half a run better for Smith too.

Longer team control and substantially higher upside for Smith IMO.

Is this obsession with K rates and xFIP a Mets fan thing or something?  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 2:48 pm : link
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RE: Is this obsession with K rates and xFIP a Mets fan thing or something?  
Metnut : 6/12/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14470564 Greg from LI said:
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The Rays, Dodgers and Astros are three of the top 4 in XFIP in 2019. In 2018 the top 4 were Astros, Dodgers, Yankees and Indians.

It's a metric that we've seen members of smart front offices constantly mention as a key indicator to roughly evaluate pitchers to take out park factors and defense.

Not sure what point you're trying to make about the Mets? Can you clarify please? I was talking about a potential Marlins/Yankees trade. Fine if you don't like it, but what do the Mets have to do with it?
allstarjim kept going on and on about K rates and xFIP when arguing  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 3:07 pm : link
that Zack Wheeler has been fantastic this year. That's what I was talking about.
RE: allstarjim kept going on and on about K rates and xFIP when arguing  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14470576 Greg from LI said:
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that Zack Wheeler has been fantastic this year. That's what I was talking about.


stop feeling inferior because you don't love xFIP
Greg  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 3:50 pm : link
which metrics do you prefer to evaluate hitters and pitchers? OPS, wRC+, ERA, FIP?
Imagine thinking it's only Yankees fans  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
who laugh at the idea of being a Mets fan in 2019. I'm really not trying to be mean here. But practically every fanbase in MLB laughs at their franchise. It's far from just Yankees fans. That's the truth.
RE: Imagine thinking it's only Yankees fans  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14470613 Dave in Hoboken said:
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who laugh at the idea of being a Mets fan in 2019. I'm really not trying to be mean here. But practically every fanbase in MLB laughs at their franchise. It's far from just Yankees fans. That's the truth.


this is gold right here.
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schabadoo : 6/12/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14470616 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14470613 Dave in Hoboken said:


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who laugh at the idea of being a Mets fan in 2019. I'm really not trying to be mean here. But practically every fanbase in MLB laughs at their franchise. It's far from just Yankees fans. That's the truth.



this is gold right here.


There is a consistency to their postings that you have to admire.
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2019 4:42 pm : link
Every fan base has its dolts.

It's really that simple.

I know, because both sides of this argument had me. :)
Geez - still at it?  
section125 : 6/12/2019 4:49 pm : link
The Yanks kicked the Mets asses in the 1st game.

The Mets kicked the Yankees asses in the 2nd game.

Isn't that hard. It's baseball. One team wins and one team loses.
Stanton with some more  
xman : 6/12/2019 9:33 pm : link
homers in Tampa
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