NYM
Jeff McNeil (L) 2B
Michael Conforto (L) RF
Pete Alonso (R) DH
Dominic Smith (L) 1B
Todd Frazier (R) 3B
J.D. Davis (R) LF
Amed Rosario (R) SS
Tomas Nido (R) C
Juan Lagares (R) CF
NYY
DJ LeMahieu (R) 2B
Aaron Hicks (S) CF
Luke Voit (R) DH
Gary Sanchez (R) C
Didi Gregorius (L) SS
Clint Frazier (R) RF
Kendrys Morales (S) 1B
Gio Urshela (R) 3B
Brett Gardner (L) LF
Wheeler vs. Tanaka
74 degrees at first pitch, no chance of rain.
GO YANKEES
Guess it sets up Voit a 1B and Sanchez DH in 2nd game. Looks like Didi sits game 2 and Torres at SS..
for game 2, just saying. I'll take it one game at a time.
Yankees hit FB better than junk, fwiw.
He did his part today!
Need to keep denigrating him for maximum effect.
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would have been a triple if anyone else mind you.
Need to keep denigrating him for maximum effect.
It's not hard.
Didi with another error? Come on. Then fails to make the hard play....
1-1
I think he is still on paternity leave.
And we piss about Happ.....
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And we piss about Happ.....
yeah no shit
No. It's on Morales and you know that.
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Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.
No. It's on Morales and you know that.
A little bit, but that throw is pretty wide for an every day grounds to Didi.
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Asking Tanaka to get 6 outs this inning. That’s the issue here, not the short porch homerun. This inning is on Didi.
No. It's on Morales and you know that.
That ball is way up the line. Only on Didi...
Not for this series. For this series he is Mr. Jillian Barberie.
Thank god Barberie isn't fast.
McNeil dove for the ball - he's ok.
McNeil after laying out on the Sanchez blooper. Seems to be ok.
Umps are calling the high strike more this year, so players have to look up there.
But that was ridiculous after spitting on the one just low just before, that pitch was nowhere near a strike.
He has been susceptible to the long ball for years.
Get your head out of your ass Tanaka
Get your head out of your ass Tanaka
Or should have caught it to end the inning. I'm being a bit hard on him especially after the long layoff, but I'm used to seeing him make plays.
Wheeler can stay in Queens. I've seen the awesome arm, no results show before.
Wheeler can stay in Queens. I've seen the awesome arm, no results show before.
But allstarjim say ZOMG Wheeler's the awesomest ever! DON'T YOU KNOW HE'S HAD TO FACE THE MIGHTY NATS 4 TIMES ALREADY????
It is normal around here.
Wheeler pitches around Hicks to get to Voit.
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bringing the insults today aren't you
It is normal around here.
Wheeler pitches around Hicks to get to Voit.
Careful what you wish for....
I think his confidence is on the fritz. He's pressing. Trying to hard to be "himself" after more or less declaring himself different and unchanging.
I think it has all snowballed from that one game in Houston early on, the one where he dove twice and missed twice.
Dogs n cats - living together!
MASS HYSTERIA!
8-4
He still pays homage to
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I think his confidence is on the fritz. He's pressing. Trying to hard to be "himself" after more or less declaring himself different and unchanging.
I think it has all snowballed from that one game in Houston early on, the one where he dove twice and missed twice.
Exactly. He was a media darling before that, and a pariah afterwards for not speaking with them. I honestly don't think he realized what he was in for when the NYC klieg lights were trained upon him. He'll learn.
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In comment 14468237 allstarjim said:
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Greg: "I really like Stroman and have long wanted him on the Yankees"
Also Greg: "Wheeler is mediocre and will likely always will be."
Stroman: 3.75 FIP 1.322 WHIP, 8.8 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 3.1 BB/9, 6.9 K/9
Wheeler: 3.56 FIP, 1.226 WHIP, 8.4 H/9, 1.2 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 10 K/9
Go figure.
I already explained why I don't really give a shit about FIP. Also, one pitches in the AL East, one pitches in the NL East. Which do you think is a more difficult environment for a pitcher?
Fuckin' lame. "But but but I don't LIKE that stat!"
And btw, Wheeler pitching in the NL East definitely has had it tougher. More teams with deeper offenses in the NL East than the AL East, who have the Yankees and Red Sox.
The NL East have the worst offense in baseball in the Marlins, but the other 3 teams are really good offensively.
And Stroman has 3 starts vs AL East opponents this year, 1 vs the Red Sox, 1 vs the Rays, and 1 vs the Orioles...give me a break.
On the flip side, Wheeler has already faced the Nationals 4 times, the Braves once, and the Phillies twice (as well as a start vs the Marlins). There is zero question about it, Wheeler has faced a much tougher slate of games thus far this season.
I can't wait until Wheeler slaps the Yankees down tomorrow night.
Yeah but to be fair he thought the game was going to be tonight and not this afternoon.
I think he's definitely gun shy/ leery of contact with anything out there,i.e. a wall or another player.
It was like he had that one all the way and caught a glimpse of Hicks and got spooked or something, then realized he was ok. Luckily enough the ball hung up enough for him get his bearings back and make the catch.
It sure wasn't pretty and there's something going on with him out there I'm not sure reps will cure. I think it's more like getting through this season, putting the concussions behind him and getting his mojo back out there. I hate to say it but it's almost like he's playing scared out there. Maybe scared is too severe but too cautious maybe?
Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.
My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.
Weren't you a Mets fan completely ecstatic with their 11-1 start just 14 short months ago?
Guess Wheeler is pitching the 2nd game, too.
But ryan is right, the BP has sucked the past week.
Not for nothing dude, but what did you expect?
And yes, I am a Mets fan and was very happy with their start. Was I supposed to be mad about their start? Find some better material gents.
Yanks are a much better team than the mets...i don't get what you want me to say about it
Yup, his heat was going to carry them and setup the Yanks to be thrown off tonight by Vargas and his off speed stuff.
Sounds like a good theory but so far the Yanks have handled the heat from Wheeler. We'll see later about Vargas.
Like I thought coming in, these Yanks aren't fazed by anyone and just play who's next.
We are all very aware that there's another game this evening. That's how double-headers work.
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...
Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.
My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.
Gotta agree with Greg on this. Most Yankee fans here couldn't really give a rats ass about the Mets. We aren't concerned with them or anything like that.
I don't think there would be much if any smack being talked here if it weren't for a Mets fan stirring the pot yesterday, and now it's directed more at that than the Mets themselves or their other fans.
that this thread*
I'm going with that. This must feel like playing on Mercury.
Alonso strikes out on his backside.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
Agreed, the bats can catch up with the heat, but it's the offspeed stuff that seems to trip us up. Look at some of the games where we've put up only 1 or 2 runs (not shutout), and who we've faced.
Jordan Zimmerman- 91.2 average FB MPH
Matthew Boyd- 90.5
Homer Bailey- 93
Carlos Rodon- 92.9
Zack Greinke- 89.5
Merrill Kelly- 92
Yusei Kikuchi- 94
Zach Plesac- 95
Hopefully we can get to him early.
I think that's certainly playing a part in it but I also think these guys are so used to playing at night, their body clocks haven't caught up 100% to game speed.
You'd think they'd be better than they are today because it's not totally a one off like they never play day games. It just looks like some of these guys had a nice night out last night and could've used some more sleep.
Most BBI Yankee fans don't actually take any joy in beating the Mets or even follow them. I know I rarely even know more than a handful of names on the Mets. Probably most Yankee fans on BBI know the Sox farm system better than the MLB of the Mets. We just don't compete with each other
I suspect there are many more BBI Yankee fans than Mets but I don't know. I never go on Mets Threads so the only Mets fans I recognize are ZGiants and now allstarjim. And arc in the old days.
Its simply not a rivalry. Now on the field, you have some good pitchers and one great one so the Mets team is competitive despite a big difference in front office capability.
That's really what we are seeing. Players are good on both teams but one GM office on down is in transition. The other is a juggernaut with the arrow pointing up.
Its not a fair comparison but Mets fans have pretty bad owners and the Yankees owners just keep the pedal to the mettle. The current Steinbrenner is not the competitive nut his father was but they still start each year with a straightforward goal top on down. WS every year. Compete for every edge. It is what it is.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
I'll admit to checking in on a Mets game thread once in a while but it's definitely not to see if anyone is talking smack.
I have a decent amount of family and close friends who are Mets fans and I'll check to see if there's any news on the team. BBI is a pretty good place to find up to the minute happenings on the local clubs.
I do get a kick out of some threads where for no reason the Yanks are brought into it and taken a shot at. I have posted a reply to that kind of thing once in a while but it's not something I go looking for or reply to every time. Most of the time I just let it pass.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
So a handful of guys check in on Mets threads and that condemns to whole lot? You could probably count on your hands those that check in.
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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
So a handful of guys check in on Mets threads and that condemns to whole lot? You could probably count on your hands those that check in.
You would be surprised, it happens a lot more than you think.
He's even got his pitcher picked out!
I know fans usually don't want to see their own guy in the HR derby because they worry about the hangover and it messing with the players' swing, but I think Luke in the Derby would be awesome to see. I'd love for it to happen.
6 outs to get.
I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.
Regardless, I'd love to see all our top power guys do it at least once. It'd be part of a remarkable journey for Voit over the past year.
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power
I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.
Only Yelich has more over that span - 114 games?
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power
I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.
He's certainly proven himself as legitimate. He hits the ball hard and he commands the strike zone well, it's a good combination. Plus the guy just looks like he's having a blast out there, he's so easy to root for. What a win for the analytics group finding him
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beating their chest in the 6th inning of the first game of a doubleheader...relax...
Hey man, blame the guy who was puffing his chest out yesterday. If you do that and your boy gets torched then, yeah, you're in for a mocking.
My point about Wheeler stands - he's a great thrower who isn't a great pitcher. Lots of Ks but lots of hard contact as well.
Checking in, not the performance I was hoping for but he's still better than Stroman. And I'd wager he has better final numbers on the season, as well. The point was is in one breath you talk up Stroman so much and the next you crap on Wheeler who has had better numbers on the season. It's one game today and I don't even care all that much because I'm a jaded Mets fan, but the comment was still nonsensical.
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offensive performance today. Voit was saying the other day he hopes to get the call for the home run derby. I'd love to see it. He'd certainly bring the energy and power
I didn't catch it exactly but they said on Yes something to the effect of him having the most HRs in the AL since he was called up last year. 30 in a little over 100 games or something like that.
He's certainly proven himself as legitimate. He hits the ball hard and he commands the strike zone well, it's a good combination. Plus the guy just looks like he's having a blast out there, he's so easy to root for. What a win for the analytics group finding him
Agreed 100%. He's certainly won me over.
I remember his first few games or so I wasn't impressed or even hopeful. I was just glad we didn't give up much in Shreve and was glad he was gone. I would've taken a bag of balls for him but Voit has turned out to be a border line All Star player and like you said, easy and fun to root for.
Bellinger: 116 games, 28 homers
Trout: 94 games, 27 homers
Yelich, of course, leads everyone with 45 in 111 games in that span. Yikes.
Hug FIP tight all you want, it's a flawed stat. I'll take the guy who has pitched well in the AL East, thanks. You can keep Wheeler and his ERA of 5.
Thankfully the people in charge here are a lot smarter than I am and knew what they were doing.
Heck of a find.
Imagine being in the Cardinals shoes. Paying big bucks to acquire and pay Goldschmidt... while Voit is outperforming him and making absolute peanuts in comparison. And on top of that, only getting Shreve and Gallegos in return.
Gallegos has been okay - but I'm sure that's one they'd like to have back.
Kraken!
$25+ for 8 years minimum.
With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.
You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.
But I bet he could ask for it and get close if he were on the open market.
And he missed a few weeks too. 20 homers in 47 games.
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and Sanchez has 20 HRs on the season. Damn.
And he missed a few weeks too. 20 homers in 47 games.
Incredible. That's almost, just about 1 HR every 2 games.
yes
No game yesterday, plus Tanaka/Hale (and Kahnle needing just a few bullets) and an off day tomorrow, I'd assume that the big guns should be available out of the pen tonight.
Would like to see Pax get us through at least 6 anyway.
But good job using only three pitchers(well Kahnle to one batter). Kudos to Tanaka hanging in for 6 2/3s.
See y'all later.
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yes
bueno!
Cool beans jints and way to keep the record gping strong.
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command on the open market?
With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.
You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.
Jeez, and to think last year most Yankee fans wanted Sanchez gone...
Only the stupid ones
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command on the open market?
With Posey getting ~22 per, Sanchez would be well within his rights to ask for 30+ per.
You just can't find catchers with the power he has and the cannon arm - he's a very, very rare commodity right now and his value is through the roof.
Jeez, and to think last year most Yankee fans wanted Sanchez gone...
Just some of the short-sighted ones, who rarely show their faces on Yankees threads these days.
Btw, all hail Jints!
Someone should ask him why they had Davis in LF at
Yankee Stadium, not very smart. Big LF to play for
an inexperienced outfielder.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
Exactly! As a Mets fan, I can't even have a rational conversation with Yankee fans (in person) because they have a complex about how great their franchise is bringing up championships from 90 years ago! At least we know we suck. That is also another reason Red Sox and Mets fans band together when they play and chant in unison "Yankees suck".
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that Yanks fans say they could "care less" about the Mets, yet will check in on the few game threads that are created to see if there is anyone talking smack.
But hey, I am one of the realistic Mets fans out there who does not throw rose pedals at the feet of shitty owners and lineup that just isn't that good. Don't get me started with Hee Haw and his in game decision making.
Exactly! As a Mets fan, I can't even have a rational conversation with Yankee fans (in person) because they have a complex about how great their franchise is bringing up championships from 90 years ago! At least we know we suck. That is also another reason Red Sox and Mets fans band together when they play and chant in unison "Yankees suck".
Yeah, just saw the replays. Both no-doubters.
Urshela hit his hard too.
Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.
I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.
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that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.
Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.
I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.
Hahahaha. Really someone said that? Yikes.
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that inferriority complex still exists, I guess. Oh well.
Haha. That one is right up there with one I saw a Mets fan post last week saying the Yankees were the luckiest team ever in all of sports history.
I couldn't help but laugh at that one. I mean really? Did they get lucky all 27 times? Lol.
Hahahaha. Really someone said that? Yikes.
Yup. They were serious too.
It was one I couldn't even reply to as I figured why even bother? It'd be like talking to a wall.
One guy was throwing bullets from right field across to left (toward third base). It really looked like being shot out of a canon. I was wondering who that outfielder could be.
It was Sanchez.
And I will be there in Durham!
Jeff McNeil (L) 2B
J.D. Davis (R) LF
Pete Alonso (R) 1B
Todd Frazier (R) DH
Michael Conforto (L) RF
Wilson Ramos (R) C
Amed Rosario (R) SS
Adeiny Hechavarria (R) 3B
Carlos Gomez (R) CF
NYY
DJ LeMahieu (R) 2B
Luke Voit (R) 1B
Gary Sanchez (R) DH
Gleyber Torres (R) SS
Clint Frazier (R) RF
Gio Urshela (R) 3B
Cameron Maybin (R) LF
Austin Romine (R) C
Brett Gardner (L) CF
Vargas vs. Paxton
76 degrees at first pitch. No rain.
Where exactly is the 'luck' involved in there? Voit is a good/solid player. Some times guys come along alittle bit later than most expect. I love Voit. But he's a good player. Not a great one. And anything about this team in the late 2000's/early teens that isn't strictly about 2009? How about all of the times in this entire 2010 decade of postseason play that our lineup went didn't hit. I think luck in this decade is a bit of a stretch. If we had any kind of luck since 2010 we'd at least have had 'lucked' ourselves into at least on championship this decade by now.
Um yea....not a good start.
Next time don't think that way..
Pitchers miss locations. It happens often.
who the fuck is Barberie??
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Paxton needs to dust Barberie so we can get back to it.
who the fuck is Barberie??
The Met's second-baseman.
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Brett socked Brett. True story.
But really it was Morales' fault.
4-0
It has to be because he looks like hot garbage.
Give Adams a chance. Against this Mets team this isn't over.
Let's go Adams!
The book on Alonso is that he will chase high fastballs. I think Pax needed to throw that a few inches higher.
I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
If you can call in any favors and make sure their pitching is especially bad the rest of the game i'd be much obliged.
Actually, he does
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They hit pretty well. They get on base. Their defense is bad and their pitching has been wildly uneven. Every scoreless inning from Vargas feels like a miracle, yet he pitched a complete game shutout a few days ago. Who knows what to expect from these guys.
If you can call in any favors and make sure their pitching is especially bad the rest of the game i'd be much obliged.
Time for Gio.
small ball in the 3rd in contemplation of going super-alpha in the 4th.
Halved the lead with plenty of game left.
One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.
One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.
I'll gladly be the thing that holds the thing that maintains the most important thing. Don't be jealous - oh wait....
Gio was a bad and lazy play going over the shoulder...results in 2 run bomb by Davis. Adams not helping himself with an awful slider.
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We needed another starter before the season started and certainly when Sevy went down. Regardless of how we do in the regular season, this rotation isn't going to beat Verlander-Cole-____-Verlander-Cole.
He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.
Either way, with the baseball jumping, anything in the air seems to be going out. Makes Judge and Stanton being out almost unbearable. They'd be up to 30 apiece by now.
Well Chance Adams isn’t exactly a legend in his own right.
Sorry, but it’s true.
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The one hitter you give a HR against. Awesome.
One hitter to worry about, lol. That’s like saying there’s only one douchebag Yankee fan in here, both simply not true.
He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.
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I’m guessing you mean third base?
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He's no random hump. He is a former Astro who could take the perpetually open first-base position.
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I’m guessing you mean third base?
He's got a glove for that position too? Crazy.
Don't be hating on Chance. He's picking his moment to shine.
Nimmo 0-3 with a walk.
Justin Wilson one scoreless, 2ks, touching 94-ish
Can't just assume we'll get Sevy back and he'll have no rust. Pax may have this knee thing bug him for a while. German is on the shelf and might be hitting a bit of a wall. Masa hasn't been able to find his splitter and while Happ has been a little better lately, he's still giving up way to many long balls.
The bullpen is good enough even if Betances can't get back until later this year. The lineup will score enough runs. But, to get through a team like Houston and get to a WS, where the Dodgers will probably be waiting on the other side with those hitters... gonna need some serious pitching help.
That's fine at the back end of the rotation. But, we really need another TOR starter or at least a middle rotation guy.
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lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.
I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
Sounds like the worst kind of yankee fan. Team should have 100 wins every year in your mind, I assume.
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lol. Mets came in 1 game under .500. This isnt the Marlins.
I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
Sounds like the worst kind of yankee fan. Team should have 100 wins every year in your mind, I assume.
I think it's hilarious. Much sting extra hard for a team to come into your house and walk away with a split with your #3 and #5 starters going.... you know... for such an inferior team and all....
1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
The Mets 2018 5th rounder has 77 strikeouts in 47.2 minor league innings.
That's honestly something I've NEVER wondered about because I don't care if other fans love us or hate us. In fact I expect other fans to hate us because we root for such a successful franchise. It doesn't bother me one bit if they do.
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Why other fans hate them
That's honestly something I've NEVER wondered about because I don't care if other fans love us or hate us. In fact I expect other fans to hate us because we root for such a successful franchise. It doesn't bother me one bit if they do.
B-b-but other baseball fans hate your team and your fanbase. Your self-worth is now ruined! How could you not care what a bunch of strangers think of you?!
Yeah they've been at 12 pitchers all year. They only went to 13 and recalled Peterson when Cano just went back on the IL for not being ready yet. Im guessing two relievers go down and one position player. Maybe Lagares or Gomez. Gotta admit Gomez's hot week is going to make that a little trickier.
Yea and met fans are just dandy. Your fan base is a complete joke. I cant tell you the amount of met fans that worry more what the Yankees do then there own team. How’s taking back New York doing?///
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Look, it is what it is. Imagine if the internet had been around in the '50s when the Giants, Dodgers and Yanks were all in NYC and frequently met in the World Series. We'd have constant meltdowns.
Mickey Mouse will make the worst decision. That’s all that is a guarantee.
Prob will be Dom Smith again. Followed by JD Davis. Bc that’s how we roll on the south side
Great opportunity at home to pounce on a STL team that's really struggling this weekend. Anything less than 3 out of 4 would be a bust IMO.
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Funny you mentioned JD Davis. He was referred to as a bum, yet Gio Urshela, who had a similar career path to Davis is a rising star. Both are similar age and progression through the minors/majors.
Just curious how Yanks fans would react if we called Urshela some random hump? I am sure that comment would have gone over well.
There were specific conversations where NYY posters were wondering if, given the seeming skills improvement, a long-term run-rate of like .270 / .340 / .440 might be realistic. and the vast majority of posters seemed to think it was probably too aggressive.
so much gushing.
Based on this rationale, the worst teams would NEVER win.
It is like game threads are just a cesspool of complete idiocy.
I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't care at all because that's pretty much what he is - a guy who couldn't hit his weight in his time with Cleveland who is hitting way over his head right now.
Vandy won the next two games. How does that happen??? How does a team lose 18-3 and win the next two games? Inconceivable!!
Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.
Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.
Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.
Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).
Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"
anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?
and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.
I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.
and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.
but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.
And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.
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Point still remains, if a Mets called Urshela a random hump, do you think that comment would go over well with Yanks fans?
I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't care at all because that's pretty much what he is - a guy who couldn't hit his weight in his time with Cleveland who is hitting way over his head right now.
I'm with Greg. Wouldn't bother me in the least. 2 months ago, 'random hump' would have been a compliment on Urshela. And there's a good chance he'll be random hump again before too long.
I can see why it could get under people's skin. I don't know why people let it, though.
The mid to late 70's was when Montreal was dominant (as were the Yankees), but fast-forward 20 years and that was also when the Yankees were dominant.
It isn't like we are looking at the hey day of the Chicago Bears under Halas here.
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jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.
Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.
Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.
Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.
Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).
Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"
anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?
and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.
I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.
and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.
but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.
And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.
Great post Pj.
Vandy won the next two games. How does that happen??? How does a team lose 18-3 and win the next two games? Inconceivable!!
The 2014 and 2015 CWS finals were crazy mirror images of each other. In 2014, UVA was the dominant team. That was the best team Brian O'Connor ever had, and it's really not even close. We were huge favorites over Vanderbilt but then Nathan Kirby forgot how to throw a strike in game 1 and our ace closer, Nick Howard, blew a lead in game 3 so we lost. The next year, Vandy was the dominant team and the huge favorite while UVA lost a bunch of guys and barely even snuck into the postseason, but that series we won.
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I calls em like I sees em. Mets aren't as good as the Yankees and it follows the Yankees should be the crap out of them every time they play them.
What's wrong with this comment FMIC? It's a fact which is proven by the fact that the Marlins and Orioles are winless this season.
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jibe.....the Yankees are 41-25 (despite missing their two best hitters and staff ace for almost the entire season) and the Mets are 33-34. News flash: the Mets are an objectively inferior team.
Of course they are an inferior team. It's not even really debatable, But that doesn't mean fans have an inferiority complex.
Not much worse than a fan who takes on the persona of their team and thinks because their team wins, they're a winner.
Living in Boston-metro I see this on a daily basis.
Patriots fans of all genders, races, ages, etc. try and lecture me on football because you know, they're the greatest dynasty in sports modern history, so their fans are the best and football experts (and not just from 2001 on - ever).
Or Red Sox fans telling me how a team should be rebuilt because they got the Dodgers to bail them out of an extensive period in "hell"
anyway, no one could possibly argue the Mets have been more successful than the Yankees, historically or even lately - even with the Mets the last of the two to make it to the WS, but what does that have to do with the fans?
and I have trouble contributing negatively to a thread like this, I grew up a Mets fan from my early childhood in a Yankees fan family (for a variety of reasons). My father and brother are about as die hard a Yankees fan as there could possibly be.
I never even once when they weren't playing each other considered the Yankees a rival, and don't have a shred of Yankees hate. I'm indifferent to them. When Cone, Straw, Gooden, etc. became Yankees I even liked seeing their success.
and my hatred of Boston sports is so strong, when the Yankees and Red Sox play I even root for the Yankees.
but I never grew up in NY, so maybe getting second billing since the late 80's Mets heyday ended, some fans do feel that way, but I definitely wouldn't paint with a broad brush.
And history is fleeting. My kids don't think of the Yankees as winners. My youngest has never seen a Yankees world series. My older kids have seen 4 Red Sox World Series and 1 Yankees championship. They view the Yankees how they view the Canadiens - once upon a time they dominated, but not now. And with more time and no titles that sentiment will grow IMO.
This might be the most ironic post I have seen in a while. The writer starts by trying to dismiss the inferiority complex idea- and then proceeds to demonstrate an inferiority complex.
Here's a hint- most fans don't care about whether you have an inferiority complex or not- just don't go there. Follow your team objectively and don't get caught up in the chest-beating or tearing down other teams to try and justify your fandom. Going on and on about one side or the other is tiresome and boring to read.
If anything your reaction to it demonstrates an inferiority complex.
Or at least insecurity.
1. Cashman did an amazing job having guys read to fill in for injured players.He knows how o find guys who thrive in Yankee Stadium and in that lineup. I know this is obvious but it might still be underappreciated.
2. I know Yankee fans might not want to hear this but the team needs an ace. You acquired two middle of the rotation starters in Happ and Paxson. Those prospects and cap space would have bee better spent imo on a single dominant pitcher.
Think about going into playoffs with Degrom or Sherzer pitching first, followed by Severino. Now Severino is forced to be the ace, a role he might not yet be ready to assume.
If I'm the Yanks, I take a chance on Bumgarner. You just have to do load management because his shoulder can't take 200 innings
In 04, 05, 06 it looked like there might be a renewal with Reyes + Wright + Beltran but obviously that argument turned farcical really quickly.
The Madoff mess IMO was the death blow. The Mets barely operate as a mid-market team now, let alone a competitor of the Yankees (or Dodgers, or Red Sox, or Cubs). They haven't competed for the same players in a decade, they don't trade with each other, they enter the season with totally different expectations.
Even in 2015 when the Mets almost won the WS and Thor made the comments about NY being a "mets town" it didn't matter. Sure there was more optimism among Met fans about our own team + situation, but IMO any elements of a rivalry were so far beneath what they were in the early 2000's when there was a semi-honest competitiveness in terms of resources or effort level to win (or maybe there wasn't but met fans hadn't full caught on to the Wilpons games yet). Perhaps this is a misread, but I think by and large most Met fans are far more emotionally "triggered" by the mess of our own org vs. comparing to any other and now it's just a fringe that get worked about about the Yankees (vs. the inverse previously). the 2 franchises are just operating in 2 completely different orbits that have little impact on one another. If the Mets start competing like a big market team again one day maybe it will come back but with the wilpons that's just never going to happen.
Renting a declining past-prime Bumgarner because of old playoff performances when his arm wasn't shot or #3 starter like Stroman doesn't really seem worth it.
As currently constituted, Yankees would be a pretty significant underdog to HOU in a 7-game series IMO. They have so much position player depth that it makes sense to consolidate that into a front line starter.
Stroman has better numbers than Smith despite pitching in the AL and has a helluva lot more of a track record, plus they're almost the same age.
Stroman has better numbers than Smith despite pitching in the AL and has a helluva lot more of a track record, plus they're almost the same age.
Smith is striking out over 11 per 9 (pretty insane for a starter) compared to Stroman's less than 7 per 9. Smith is walking 2.73 per 9 compared to 3.09 for Stroman. XFIP half a run better for Smith too.
Longer team control and substantially higher upside for Smith IMO.
The Rays, Dodgers and Astros are three of the top 4 in XFIP in 2019. In 2018 the top 4 were Astros, Dodgers, Yankees and Indians.
It's a metric that we've seen members of smart front offices constantly mention as a key indicator to roughly evaluate pitchers to take out park factors and defense.
Not sure what point you're trying to make about the Mets? Can you clarify please? I was talking about a potential Marlins/Yankees trade. Fine if you don't like it, but what do the Mets have to do with it?
stop feeling inferior because you don't love xFIP
this is gold right here.
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who laugh at the idea of being a Mets fan in 2019. I'm really not trying to be mean here. But practically every fanbase in MLB laughs at their franchise. It's far from just Yankees fans. That's the truth.
this is gold right here.
There is a consistency to their postings that you have to admire.
It's really that simple.
I know, because both sides of this argument had me. :)
The Mets kicked the Yankees asses in the 2nd game.
Isn't that hard. It's baseball. One team wins and one team loses.