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Two Getty Drafts - How many solid starters?

BillyM : 6/11/2019 11:48 am
From my seat, this team is starting to really build depth and talent on the cheap, through the draft.

Two drafts in the books and I think it's safe to say the below are strong starters, with nice upside.

Barkley - obviously
Hernandez - Pro Bowl potential
Zo Carter - strong starter
BJ Hill - strong starter
Daniel Jones - Not this year, but obviously a starter
Lawrence - starter
Deandre Baker - starter, pro bowl ceiling


Then, there are a host of guys that have a legitimate chance at starting.

RJ Macintosh
Sam Beal
Love
Conrad
Slayton
Xman

If even half of the below names pan out, that is an absolute haul for Getty in two years. That is the way you build a team over time. Young, cheap, healthy and deep.
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RE: RE: Do not count out Grant Haley  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14469262 pjcas18 said:
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Haley is a great story, and I'm pulling for him, but I think there is a decent chance, barring injury, he doesn't even make the team.

He's got Jenkins, Baker, Beal, and Love all easily ahead of him for a multitude of reasons.
Then Ballantine will be given every chance to win the job over Haley IMO.

How many corners will they keep?

So then Haley is battling Hamilton and Lippett for the 6th corner if they keep 6 (barring injury of course - sometimes these things have a way of working themselves out).

Last year they had 9 DB's - safeties and CB's.


I think they will keep 6. There has been a lot of speculation that the Giants will play Love at safety in some situations. With the likelihood that this is Jenkins last season with the Giants I think they will want to keep Baker, Love, Beal, Ballentine, and Haley for 2020. It wouldn't surprise me if Ballentine or Haley are stashed on IR with a minor injury in camp. Neither are likely to make it to the practice squad so that could be the way to keep both and have the option to bring them back later in the season if the need arises.
RE: like it or not  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14469301 pjcas18 said:
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I think Gettleman's evaluation will be tied to Jones.

Unless somehow the Giants contend this year, no matter how many starters he adds, if the Giants don't contend, and it's even partially due to QB, Gettleman will be considered a failure.

This, I think Gettleman has done a solid job so far but if he misses on Jones then that's what he will be remembered for.
Reese was a train wreck  
UberAlias : 6/11/2019 12:42 pm : link
That played out over time. There was more than a share of optimism along the way. “In Reese we trust”.
The only obvious 'miss' at this point is Lauletta  
RobCarpenter : 6/11/2019 12:56 pm : link
And picking high doesn't guarantee that the pick will work out, as others have noted. Bad teams have been known to stay bad teams b/c of bad picks.

For example - Jacksonville - which has had one winning season since 2008.

In 2012 they took Justin Blackmon at #5.
In 2013 they took Luke Joeckel at #2.
In 2014 they took Blake Bortles at #3.
In 2015 they took Dante Fowler at #3.

It wasn't until 2016 - when they took Jalen Ramsey at #5 and Myles Jack at #36 - that they were moving in the right direction.

Although for what it's worth - Jacksonville finished 5-11 in 2018 after their 10-6 2017 season.
Best/quickest talent upgrade I've ever seen for the Giants  
BillT : 6/11/2019 1:15 pm : link
Two years in and the draft picks along with the FA pickups and trades have upgraded almost every unit on the team. And were talking about the OL, DL, LB, DB where it takes multiple players to upgrade plus the RB and our next QB as well. It's a great job by DG and his staff.
The happy talk continues  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:19 pm : link
I've never seen people so impressed with workouts in shorts.
year over year...getting 3 good starters  
ryanmkeane : 6/11/2019 1:20 pm : link
each draft with 1-2 of them being pro bowl potential should be the goal for any GM. Then you hope to hit on a few late rounders.
I am really enthusiastic  
Bill L : 6/11/2019 1:24 pm : link
and I do believe that the OP is correct.

I think there are some proven stuff already coming from the 2018 class (except for Lauletta and Macintosh).

But how many BBI-ers said that all of the players (or any of the players) from Jerry Reese's draft classes sucked at the end of their first mini-camp? Even Flowers or Apple?
Like, how do you know?  
Bill L : 6/11/2019 1:25 pm : link
Until you know.
RE: Like, how do you know?  
christian : 6/11/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14469390 Bill L said:
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Until you know.


I try not to judge a player until after year 2. Even Barkley for example, his career trajectory could go from good to all-timer. Neither of those would surprise me.

You certainly don't know til you know, and a year isn't quite enough to "know" for me.
RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
RobCarpenter : 6/11/2019 1:54 pm : link
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Until you know.



I try not to judge a player until after year 2. Even Barkley for example, his career trajectory could go from good to all-timer. Neither of those would surprise me.

You certainly don't know til you know, and a year isn't quite enough to "know" for me.


Barkley's career trajectory is way better than "good" if he stays healthy.
RE: RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
BillT : 6/11/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14469447 RobCarpenter said:
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Until you know.



I try not to judge a player until after year 2. Even Barkley for example, his career trajectory could go from good to all-timer. Neither of those would surprise me.

You certainly don't know til you know, and a year isn't quite enough to "know" for me.



Barkley's career trajectory is way better than "good" if he stays healthy.

He was way better than good as a rookie but this is someone who's not sure Zeigler is really better than Jamon Brown.
RE: RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
christian : 6/11/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14469447 RobCarpenter said:
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Until you know.



I try not to judge a player until after year 2. Even Barkley for example, his career trajectory could go from good to all-timer. Neither of those would surprise me.

You certainly don't know til you know, and a year isn't quite enough to "know" for me.



Barkley's career trajectory is way better than "good" if he stays healthy.


Sure, seems that way. I'm saying his floor is good and his ceiling is all-timer.

I'm saying 1 season is hope, 2 seasons is a trend.

Do remember BBI had anointed Shockey and Beckham after year one as well. Things can change.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
christian : 6/11/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14469476 BillT said:
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Until you know.



I try not to judge a player until after year 2. Even Barkley for example, his career trajectory could go from good to all-timer. Neither of those would surprise me.

You certainly don't know til you know, and a year isn't quite enough to "know" for me.



Barkley's career trajectory is way better than "good" if he stays healthy.


He was way better than good as a rookie but this is someone who's not sure Zeigler is really better than Jamon Brown.


That's a wild misrepresentation of what I said and you know that. I asked if you if Zeitler was a markedly better run blocker than Zeitler, a question of which you had literally no response.
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christian : 6/11/2019 2:25 pm : link
*better run blocker than Brown.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
BillT : 6/11/2019 3:16 pm : link
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That's a wild misrepresentation of what I said and you know that. I asked if you if Zeitler was a markedly better run blocker than Zeitler, a question of which you had literally no response.

No it isn't. That you said you didn't know whether Ziegler is a better blocker than Brown is to say that you don't really know if Zeigler is better that Brown. And I did respond when I said that Zeigler and Brown don't belong in the same sentence when it comes to their respective talent.
RE: The happy talk continues  
BillyM : 6/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14469378 Greg from LI said:
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I've never seen people so impressed with workouts in shorts.


Work outs in shorts. Barkley, BJ Hill, Zo, and Hernandez already showed great stuff over 16 games.

I said in the OP that if even a half of the other names I mentioned started, that is a nice two year haul.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like, how do you know?  
RobCarpenter : 6/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14469480 christian said:
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Barkley's career trajectory is way better than "good" if he stays healthy.



Sure, seems that way. I'm saying his floor is good and his ceiling is all-timer.

I'm saying 1 season is hope, 2 seasons is a trend.

Do remember BBI had anointed Shockey and Beckham after year one as well. Things can change.


Those two are head cases in a way that Barkley isn't.
RE: Mcintosh  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/11/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14469238 Platos said:
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could be the darkhorse this year to wow us all.

Very high ceiling, I'm hoping he's our Justin Smith.
RE: RE: Mcintosh  
BillyM : 6/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
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could be the darkhorse this year to wow us all.

You don't play really well against Q Nelson by accident in a big game, a mere 1 year before the guard went Pro Bowl year one. No accident. He played real well that night. High ceiling. If he pans out, that draft was a home run


Very high ceiling, I'm hoping he's our Justin Smith.
Lol at proclaiming solid starters after two years. He hit on his  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 4:23 pm : link
first two picks for sure, but he was drafting 2nd overall in each round. After that we really don't know.

And I'm very upbeat about our drafts outside of Ximenes in the 3rd which I know nothing about. His highlights don't really impress me, but apparently he was pivotal in beating VA Tech. We are finally drafting football players again and not measurables. Measurables should be used to see if the guy has the bare minimum athletic ability to play. Love is a guy that dropped that I absolutely love because even if he can't play corner I think he has a 10 year career at FS. Off the ball instincts are tremendous.
It still makes no sense to me  
Leg of Theismann : 6/11/2019 4:39 pm : link
how people talk about "2 Gettleman drafts" as a whole and say things like "he's hit on 2 straight drafts" and "x number of starters from these 2 drafts". The 2018 class at least played a full season and we know somewhat what we have with them. the 2019 class has not played a single down yet. That is a huge difference. Anything you think about the 2019 class is based purely on speculation, performance in college, and performance in padless drills in OTAs. The first 4 picks of the 2018 draft were all in the top 70 picks of that draft and yes I'm grateful it appears Gettleman did a nice job with all 4 in terms of positional need and value. For the 2019 class we had 3 picks in the top 30 and the rest were #95 or later. Let's let the 2019 season play out a bit before we start judging "these 2 Gettleman drafts" as a whole.
RE: I agree the last few drafts have been better  
Toth029 : 6/11/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14469239 figgy2989 said:
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But let's be honest, picking at top of each round has its benefits.

Can we at least see Carter in a starting role before we consider him a "strong starter" though? Obviously too early to tell with the 2019 crop, but if we can get 3-4 solid starters, that draft class is a win.

Browns and Jags picked high for how long? Look at all those playoff wins. You need to pick the right talent and have the right coaches still.
what exactly happened?  
Platos : 6/11/2019 4:45 pm : link
and why don't the disclose is yet? did the guy have the clap or something? glad he's healthy and can't wait to see him play.
mcintosh - ( New Window )
Like...  
Leg of Theismann : 6/11/2019 4:47 pm : link
You're already proclaiming Jones, Lawrence, and Baker to be "strong starters"? And already saying Baker has a "pro bowl ceiling"? What is any of this based on? Like okay yeah they are 1st round picks and we have high expectations for them, but I'm sure no matter who those three 2019 1st round picks would have been you would have included them in your "strong starter" list just by virtue of them being high picks. No one from the 2019 NFL draft class has done or proved anything yet. So all Gettleman had to do was pick players in the 1st round (2 of which he traded assets for) and he already has come away with a "haul" according to your standards. Very impressive, Mr. Gettleman, for drafting players at the pick slots assigned to you in the NFL draft. That was a pure genius.
RE: RE: I agree the last few drafts have been better  
Leg of Theismann : 6/11/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14469245 Eric from BBI said:
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But let's be honest, picking at top of each round has its benefits.

Can we at least see Carter in a starting role before we consider him a "strong starter" though? Obviously too early to tell with the 2019 crop, but if we can get 3-4 solid starters, that draft class is a win.



Jerry Reese drafted near the top of each round as well. Flowers and Apple were top 10 picks.


Right. And the only difference right now between Gettleman and Reese is we KNOW Reese's picks (Flowers and Apple) did not pan out. We still know essentially nothing about Gettleman's drafts (aside from Barkley, who was a #2 overall pick). Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful we're on the right track, but I have no idea why Gettleman is already getting credit for anything and already being heralded as the franchise's savior from the infamous Jerry Reese. Reese has 2 SB rings as Giants GM. Gettleman is 5-11 as the Giants GM. Anything said about his first 2 drafts is still 95% speculation/guessing.
RE: RE: RE: I agree the last few drafts have been better  
gmenatlarge : 6/11/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14469731 Leg of Theismann said:
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But let's be honest, picking at top of each round has its benefits.

Can we at least see Carter in a starting role before we consider him a "strong starter" though? Obviously too early to tell with the 2019 crop, but if we can get 3-4 solid starters, that draft class is a win.



Jerry Reese drafted near the top of each round as well. Flowers and Apple were top 10 picks.



Right. And the only difference right now between Gettleman and Reese is we KNOW Reese's picks (Flowers and Apple) did not pan out. We still know essentially nothing about Gettleman's drafts (aside from Barkley, who was a #2 overall pick). Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful we're on the right track, but I have no idea why Gettleman is already getting credit for anything and already being heralded as the franchise's savior from the infamous Jerry Reese. Reese has 2 SB rings as Giants GM. Gettleman is 5-11 as the Giants GM. Anything said about his first 2 drafts is still 95% speculation/guessing.


+1 Absolutely Right! A lot of assumptions by the OP with the only proven commodities at this point being SB and WH, other than that wishful thinking.
RE: RE: Do not count out Grant Haley  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14469262 pjcas18 said:
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He was probably the biggest surprise last season on defense and he is still working with the starters in practice. IMO it's a matter of time before Love takes his spot but only because Love is more versatile. Either way Haley will still see his fair share of time on defense.

TE C.J. Conrad, ILB Tae Davis, S Sean Chandler, G/C Evan Brown, C James O'Hagan, OT Paul Adams, LB Josiah Tauaefa, LB/S Jake Carlock, G Nick Gates, RT Asafo-Adjei, LB/S Mark McLaurin, Reggie White Jr., Alex Wesley, and Eric Dungey could develop into contributors. Obviously many of them won't make the 53 man roster but there is talent in this group. As of now I think all of us would be surprised if Conrad doesn't make the team.



Haley is a great story, and I'm pulling for him, but I think there is a decent chance, barring injury, he doesn't even make the team.

He's got Jenkins, Baker, Beal, and Love all easily ahead of him for a multitude of reasons.
Then Ballantine will be given every chance to win the job over Haley IMO.

How many corners will they keep?

So then Haley is battling Hamilton and Lippett for the 6th corner if they keep 6 (barring injury of course - sometimes these things have a way of working themselves out).

Last year they had 9 DB's - safeties and CB's.



If they are all healthy (no IR candidates) Jenkin plus 5 newbies:

Baker
Beal
Haley
Love
Ballentine
Jenkins

Will all make the 2019 53. Bye Bye the aftermaths of rebuilding the roster from other teams' castoffs like Lippet.
Dexter Lawerence definitely  
tyrik13 : 6/11/2019 7:30 pm : link
Has as much pro bowl potential as just about anyone on the team. Labeling him as just a starter is asinine lol.
If they keep 6 CB's  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
and they all play CB, and stick to 9 total DB's that means 3 safeties will make it.

So someone is getting cut from Michael Thomas and Sean Chandler

Plus Lippett, Hamilton, etc.

certainly possible.
It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 7:51 pm : link
It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.
RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.


Kerry Wynn got a lot of nice pub for his play in training camp and then the season in 2018.

But he was frankly always one of my bell-weather indicators of whether or not the personnel on this team was decent, by NFL standards. He was a JAG through and through.

Now he's gone.


Finally.
PJ I can't see how they don't keep 10 DBs this year including the  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 7:59 pm : link
guy who earns the "moneybacker" role.
RE: figgy2989  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14469264 Eric from BBI said:
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Reese was a train wreck. No excuses.
The Peter Principle in action. He rose to his level of incompetence.
RE: PJ I can't see how they don't keep 10 DBs this year including the  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14469879 BlueLou'sBack said:
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guy who earns the "moneybacker" role.


I can see that. Let's hope it comes to that, or a tough decision to get to 9, and injuries don't force their hand at all
RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/11/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.


But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.
When you get quality prospects in the draft and UDFAs, you don't need  
Ivan15 : 6/11/2019 10:40 pm : link
to sign many veteran free agents as backups.
For as much heat as Gettleman has gotten  
Breeze_94 : 6/11/2019 10:52 pm : link
he found 4 guys who I believe will be strong starting caliber players last year in the draft.

Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. Throw in Beal potentially and that could be 5.

Then, add in solid depth UDFA's like Haley and Chandler (people forget he was a ST stud last year). Maybe even a rotational guy like McIntosh in Rd 5.

That has the makings of a great rookie class.

As for this year, if Jones pans out and Baker and Lawrence are strong starters, that is the makings of one of the best young cores in the entire NFL. And that's before we mention Love, Ximines, Slayton, Connelly, Conrad, and all of the other rookies.
RE: ...  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/12/2019 6:59 am : link
In comment 14469291 christian said:
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Reese was a bad GM his last several years, there's no debate.

But it's undeniable Gettleman's drafts have benifited from 1) Reese's Giants bad final year 2) Gettleman's Giants bad inaugural year 3) Gettleman trading virtually every good player on the team.

In 2018 the Giants had 4 top 70 picks, in 2019 3 top 30 picks.

Hopefully these "opportunities" to draft so high are soon over -- the Giants draft position is a symptom of sucking.


You only benefit if you hit past rounds 3-4 at least The Reese apologists did all kinds of mental gymnastics every year. In 11 years the guy rarely hit outside of round 1. After round 2 other tkghavn GM is first draft it was insanely bad. Almost every GM. could find a few guys later once in a while. Maybe it was Ross but he kept that guy.

Bottom line they should have fired him mark W TC.
Kept that inept dick.
Don’t you have to wait until this years draft picks  
Jimmy Googs : 6/12/2019 7:26 am : link
play a few games?
RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/12/2019 8:13 am : link
In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.


And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton
The reason..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 8:19 am : link
this is can be traced directly to Reese:

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The happy talk continues
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:19 pm : link : reply
I've never seen people so impressed with workouts in shorts.


He had drafts that were complete head scratchers. Even high picks like Flowers and Apple were under scrutiny from Day 1 as being reaches and there was never a lot of optimism about either.

You don't have to be impressed with this year's draftees yet. But Barkley, Hernandez and Hill from last season alone surpassed the success rate of a couple of Reese's ENTIRE drafts. That's where the optimism is coming in.

Then this year, we look so far like we have several players that will contribute. I remember the last time there was this much optimism over a draft class - 2007.
Ross
Smith
Alford
DeOssie
Boss
Bradashaw

All key contributors
Michael Johnson
Adam Koets

Less successful
RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14469931 RickInCharlotte said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.



But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.


Ex-Giants having success on other teams is a fairly recent development, and much of that success has been due to their ability to stay much healthier for their new teams than they ever could for the Giants (see Prince Amukamara and Devon Kennard).
When the longest..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:01 am : link
list of players succeeding after being in NY are made up a kickers, it is not that big of a problem. Outside of Ed McCaffery at an actual position, there haven't been guys going on to really successful careers.

Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.

Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.
RE:  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14470111 RickInCharlotte said:
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton


That's beside the point, which was that Edwards wasn't going to keep Hill on the bench.
RE: When the longest..  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14470237 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.


Shiancoe made the Pro Bowl a few times for the Vikings, I think.
RE: When the longest..  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/12/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14470237 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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list of players succeeding after being in NY are made up a kickers, it is not that big of a problem. Outside of Ed McCaffery at an actual position, there haven't been guys going on to really successful careers.

Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.

Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.


Kennard is actually a pretty decent LB, but tough to keep a guy around that is only decent when he is injured as much as Kennard is.
RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14470111 RickInCharlotte said:
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton

That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.
RE: RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/12/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14470314 Jay on the Island said:
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton


That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.


My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.
Assuming health, I see the Giants playing a lot of youth this year  
SGMen : 6/13/2019 7:13 am : link
Would anyone be shocked if at some point this year CB/S hybrid rookie Love is playing FS at times?

Would anyone be shocked if Beal was the 3rd corner? Etc.

I see us playing a lot of youth and getting a feel for our upside.
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