From my seat, this team is starting to really build depth and talent on the cheap, through the draft.
Two drafts in the books and I think it's safe to say the below are strong starters, with nice upside.
Barkley - obviously
Hernandez - Pro Bowl potential
Zo Carter - strong starter
BJ Hill - strong starter
Daniel Jones - Not this year, but obviously a starter
Lawrence - starter
Deandre Baker - starter, pro bowl ceiling
Then, there are a host of guys that have a legitimate chance at starting.
RJ Macintosh
Sam Beal
Love
Conrad
Slayton
Xman
If even half of the below names pan out, that is an absolute haul for Getty in two years. That is the way you build a team over time. Young, cheap, healthy and deep.
Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.
Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.
Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.
It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.
But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.
Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. Throw in Beal potentially and that could be 5.
Then, add in solid depth UDFA's like Haley and Chandler (people forget he was a ST stud last year). Maybe even a rotational guy like McIntosh in Rd 5.
That has the makings of a great rookie class.
As for this year, if Jones pans out and Baker and Lawrence are strong starters, that is the makings of one of the best young cores in the entire NFL. And that's before we mention Love, Ximines, Slayton, Connelly, Conrad, and all of the other rookies.
But it's undeniable Gettleman's drafts have benifited from 1) Reese's Giants bad final year 2) Gettleman's Giants bad inaugural year 3) Gettleman trading virtually every good player on the team.
In 2018 the Giants had 4 top 70 picks, in 2019 3 top 30 picks.
Hopefully these "opportunities" to draft so high are soon over -- the Giants draft position is a symptom of sucking.
You only benefit if you hit past rounds 3-4 at least The Reese apologists did all kinds of mental gymnastics every year. In 11 years the guy rarely hit outside of round 1. After round 2 other tkghavn GM is first draft it was insanely bad. Almost every GM. could find a few guys later once in a while. Maybe it was Ross but he kept that guy.
Bottom line they should have fired him mark W TC.
Kept that inept dick.
Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.
Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.
Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.
It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.
And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...
Darius Slayton
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:19 pm : link : reply
I've never seen people so impressed with workouts in shorts.
He had drafts that were complete head scratchers. Even high picks like Flowers and Apple were under scrutiny from Day 1 as being reaches and there was never a lot of optimism about either.
You don't have to be impressed with this year's draftees yet. But Barkley, Hernandez and Hill from last season alone surpassed the success rate of a couple of Reese's ENTIRE drafts. That's where the optimism is coming in.
Then this year, we look so far like we have several players that will contribute. I remember the last time there was this much optimism over a draft class - 2007.
Ross
Smith
Alford
DeOssie
Boss
Bradashaw
All key contributors
Michael Johnson
Adam Koets
Less successful
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.
Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.
Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.
Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.
It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.
But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.
Ex-Giants having success on other teams is a fairly recent development, and much of that success has been due to their ability to stay much healthier for their new teams than they ever could for the Giants (see Prince Amukamara and Devon Kennard).
Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.
Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.
And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...
Darius Slayton
That's beside the point, which was that Edwards wasn't going to keep Hill on the bench.
Shiancoe made the Pro Bowl a few times for the Vikings, I think.
Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.
Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.
Kennard is actually a pretty decent LB, but tough to keep a guy around that is only decent when he is injured as much as Kennard is.
And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...
Darius Slayton
That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...
Darius Slayton
That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.
My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.
Would anyone be shocked if Beal was the 3rd corner? Etc.
I see us playing a lot of youth and getting a feel for our upside.