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Two Getty Drafts - How many solid starters?

BillyM : 6/11/2019 11:48 am
From my seat, this team is starting to really build depth and talent on the cheap, through the draft.

Two drafts in the books and I think it's safe to say the below are strong starters, with nice upside.

Barkley - obviously
Hernandez - Pro Bowl potential
Zo Carter - strong starter
BJ Hill - strong starter
Daniel Jones - Not this year, but obviously a starter
Lawrence - starter
Deandre Baker - starter, pro bowl ceiling


Then, there are a host of guys that have a legitimate chance at starting.

RJ Macintosh
Sam Beal
Love
Conrad
Slayton
Xman

If even half of the below names pan out, that is an absolute haul for Getty in two years. That is the way you build a team over time. Young, cheap, healthy and deep.
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RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/11/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.


But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.
When you get quality prospects in the draft and UDFAs, you don't need  
Ivan15 : 6/11/2019 10:40 pm : link
to sign many veteran free agents as backups.
For as much heat as Gettleman has gotten  
Breeze_94 : 6/11/2019 10:52 pm : link
he found 4 guys who I believe will be strong starting caliber players last year in the draft.

Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. Throw in Beal potentially and that could be 5.

Then, add in solid depth UDFA's like Haley and Chandler (people forget he was a ST stud last year). Maybe even a rotational guy like McIntosh in Rd 5.

That has the makings of a great rookie class.

As for this year, if Jones pans out and Baker and Lawrence are strong starters, that is the makings of one of the best young cores in the entire NFL. And that's before we mention Love, Ximines, Slayton, Connelly, Conrad, and all of the other rookies.
RE: ...  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/12/2019 6:59 am : link
In comment 14469291 christian said:
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Reese was a bad GM his last several years, there's no debate.

But it's undeniable Gettleman's drafts have benifited from 1) Reese's Giants bad final year 2) Gettleman's Giants bad inaugural year 3) Gettleman trading virtually every good player on the team.

In 2018 the Giants had 4 top 70 picks, in 2019 3 top 30 picks.

Hopefully these "opportunities" to draft so high are soon over -- the Giants draft position is a symptom of sucking.


You only benefit if you hit past rounds 3-4 at least The Reese apologists did all kinds of mental gymnastics every year. In 11 years the guy rarely hit outside of round 1. After round 2 other tkghavn GM is first draft it was insanely bad. Almost every GM. could find a few guys later once in a while. Maybe it was Ross but he kept that guy.

Bottom line they should have fired him mark W TC.
Kept that inept dick.
Don’t you have to wait until this years draft picks  
Jimmy Googs : 6/12/2019 7:26 am : link
play a few games?
RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/12/2019 8:13 am : link
In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:
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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.


And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton
The reason..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 8:19 am : link
this is can be traced directly to Reese:

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The happy talk continues
Greg from LI : 6/11/2019 1:19 pm : link : reply
I've never seen people so impressed with workouts in shorts.


He had drafts that were complete head scratchers. Even high picks like Flowers and Apple were under scrutiny from Day 1 as being reaches and there was never a lot of optimism about either.

You don't have to be impressed with this year's draftees yet. But Barkley, Hernandez and Hill from last season alone surpassed the success rate of a couple of Reese's ENTIRE drafts. That's where the optimism is coming in.

Then this year, we look so far like we have several players that will contribute. I remember the last time there was this much optimism over a draft class - 2007.
Ross
Smith
Alford
DeOssie
Boss
Bradashaw

All key contributors
Michael Johnson
Adam Koets

Less successful
RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14469931 RickInCharlotte said:
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In comment 14469872 Klaatu said:


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It's that the veterans those players have competed against are either gone or just plain lousy.

Take Will Hernandez, for example. He started every game at LG in his rookie year. The year before the Giants had three guys at LG at various times in the 2017 season - Pugh, Jerry, and Jones. None were on the team when Hernandez arrived.

Who was going to keep B.J. Hill from starting, Mario Edwards? Kerry Wynn? Nope.

Is any veteran D-Linemen still on the team going to keep Lawrence off the 1st Team? Or any CB not named Janoris Jenkins going to do the same to Baker? I doubt it.

It's a lot easier for a young player to start when his competition is so weak.



But when these "weak" players released by the Giants succeed on other teams, posters criticize the Giants for not recognizing talent.


Ex-Giants having success on other teams is a fairly recent development, and much of that success has been due to their ability to stay much healthier for their new teams than they ever could for the Giants (see Prince Amukamara and Devon Kennard).
When the longest..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 10:01 am : link
list of players succeeding after being in NY are made up a kickers, it is not that big of a problem. Outside of Ed McCaffery at an actual position, there haven't been guys going on to really successful careers.

Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.

Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.
RE:  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14470111 RickInCharlotte said:
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton


That's beside the point, which was that Edwards wasn't going to keep Hill on the bench.
RE: When the longest..  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14470237 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.


Shiancoe made the Pro Bowl a few times for the Vikings, I think.
RE: When the longest..  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/12/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14470237 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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list of players succeeding after being in NY are made up a kickers, it is not that big of a problem. Outside of Ed McCaffery at an actual position, there haven't been guys going on to really successful careers.

Linval Joseph, Cornelius Griffin and Ryan Grant are about the only ones recently to have All Pro seasons after leaving that I can think of, and Griffin wasn't that recent.

Kennard will likely regress to the mean this season. And even then, he was decent last year, but not incredible.


Kennard is actually a pretty decent LB, but tough to keep a guy around that is only decent when he is injured as much as Kennard is.
RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14470111 RickInCharlotte said:
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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton

That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.
RE: RE: RE: It's not only that Gettleman has drafted good players...  
RickInCharlotte : 6/12/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14470314 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14470111 RickInCharlotte said:


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And, oh by the way, Mario Edwards turned into a 5th Round compensatory pick which turned out to be...

Darius Slayton


That's not accurate. Mario Edwards counts towards next years compensatory formula not this years.


My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.
Assuming health, I see the Giants playing a lot of youth this year  
SGMen : 6/13/2019 7:13 am : link
Would anyone be shocked if at some point this year CB/S hybrid rookie Love is playing FS at times?

Would anyone be shocked if Beal was the 3rd corner? Etc.

I see us playing a lot of youth and getting a feel for our upside.
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