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Pat Shurmur - "You never know what is going to happen."

ZogZerg : 6/11/2019 11:53 am
When Asked if there is a scenario Jones could start Week 1.
Regarding the QBs. Let the fireworks begin!

I'm sure that will be a headline.


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Jordan Raanan
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@JordanRaanan

Coach Pat Shurmur: Eli Manning is getting ready to have an outstanding year. Daniel Jones is getting ready to play Week 1.

Asked if there is a scenario Jones could start Week 1: "You never know what is going to happen."

Shurmur says he is "constantly" weighing Eli against Jones and deciding who gives team the best chance to win (which is the stated barometer for who starts).



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Paul Schwartz
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@NYPost_Schwartz

Shurmur repeated his stance that Jones "is getting ready to play week 1.''
Also said Eli is the starter now.
Could this pecking order change?
"You never know,'' Shurmur said.


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Tom Rock
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@TomRock_Newsday

As offseason program closes, Pat Shurmur seems to set the stage for a quarterback competition in training camp between Eli Manning and Daniel Jones.



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Tom Rock
& #10004;
@TomRock_Newsday
Replying to @TomRock_Newsday

"He's on track with the goal to be ready to play on Day 1," Shurmur said of Jones. "The QB stuff will be on the front burner for everybody. I get that. But he's on track."


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If Jones..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2019 11:55 am : link
is ready to be the Day 1 starter, Eli absolutely has to be cut.
Wow.....could this be misdirection to appease the bench  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 11:58 am : link
Eli at all costs crowd or are we having a real live QB competition? I can't think of any other circumstances where these comments make sense.
Yeh you can't have Eli on the bench if Jones is starting.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 11:58 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 11:59 am : link

Ryan Dunleavy
‏Verified account @rydunleavy
6m6 minutes ago

My interpretation of Pat Shurmur's comments: He wants Jones to be ready to play Week 1 just in case. Stay hungry. He would love him to be so good that he has a rethink his current path. But Eli Manning is the starter now and will be Week 1 barring some drastic change. #giants
Shurmur seems to be sending mixed signals  
ZogZerg : 6/11/2019 11:59 am : link
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Tom Rock

@TomRock_Newsday
Replying to @TomRock_Newsday

"I dont want to be cryptic... The players who give our team the best chance to win play. Period. Weve seen Eli do that for a very long time, so well see what happens as we go down the road."



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Tom Rock

@TomRock_Newsday
Replying to @TomRock_Newsday

We feel good where Eli is, he's our starting quarterback, and we've got a young player that we think is going to be an outstanding player getting himself ready to play."



Training camp will be exciting.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:00 pm : link

Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
19m19 minutes ago

Jordan Raanan Retweeted Jordan Raanan

My interpretation: Eli Manning is the starter. Hes the starter Week 1. Shurmur just wants Jones to get ready and prepare so that if something happened or hes needed, hes ready Week 1.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:00 pm : link

GiantsWFAN
‏ @giantswfan
31m31 minutes ago

#Giants #Shurmur - Jones "done a good job of getting up to speed with all of the things that go on at the line of scrimmage.".."Eli is our starting QB."...Coach says he's not interested with playing with sementics (from inquisitors trying to manufacture a QB competition).
I really respect Shurmur.  
yatqb : 6/11/2019 12:00 pm : link
Hes a straight shooter. And hes going to do whatever is best for the team. I really like the answer he gave there. Hes preparing everyone, Eli included, for the changing of the guard thats coming at some point.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:01 pm : link

Art Stapleton
‏Verified account @art_stapleton
21s22 seconds ago

Pat Shurmur on a slippery slope when discussing QB situation. Eli Manning is starting QB, and my sense is that he believes the best way to get the best out of Daniel Jones is by not designating him as the backup. Plus, as he said today: "You never know what is going to happen."


Art Stapleton
‏Verified account @art_stapleton
20s21 seconds ago

Saying that publicly, of course, will lend credence to the idea that this will be an open competition between Manning and Jones to start Week 1.
I don't believe Shurmur and the Giants see it that way, at least not on June 11.
Wow. Not shying away from a QB controversy at all  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 12:01 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:02 pm : link

Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
11s12 seconds ago

There's no benefit to declaring Jones the backup today. But Eli took every first-team rep this spring. Until that changes, nothing to see here. There's ~25 training camp practices and 4 preseason games. I just don't see how Jones goes from where he is today to starting Week 1.
If Eli breaks both legs  
since1925 : 6/11/2019 12:02 pm : link
Jones could be in there game #1.
RE: If Jones..  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14469240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is ready to be the Day 1 starter, Eli absolutely has to be cut.

How much cap room would the Giants save by cutting Eli before the season? I'm not suggesting they will but that's something to consider being that they can carry over cap room so if Jones is the best option it makes sense for next year to create more cap room on next years cap.
I agree with Art Stapleton's comments.....I think they are  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
trying to lend credence this is going to be a competition. I just don't see Eli not starting week 1 unless he gets hurt.
I think they should have committed to Jones right away  
moespree : 6/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
I trust what people like Aikman, Favre, Young, Moon and others who played the position as Hall of Famers have said. They all said at one time or another, they learned next to nothing by sitting. It wasn't until being thrown out there did they learn about NFL defenses, the speed, and how to self correct their own mistakes. They are all open advocates for playing a young QB ASAP. I think even Eli himself has stated how playing the final few weeks of the 2004 season helped him immensely. They might as well just commit to Jones.
Jay its like 12 million I believe, but we would need to sign a vet  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 12:05 pm : link
backup. So you are looking 3-4 million there.
Wow  
BSIMatt : 6/11/2019 12:05 pm : link
Different times in Giantsland.
RE: Jay its like 12 million I believe, but we would need to sign a vet  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14469269 Zeke's Alibi said:
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backup. So you are looking 3-4 million there.

Thanks, if they did make that move I don't think they would sign a veteran. I think Tanney would be the #2 QB. I don't think they would bring in a veteran this late unless there was an injury.
RE: Jay its like 12 million I believe, but we would need to sign a vet  
mfsd : 6/11/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14469269 Zeke's Alibi said:
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backup. So you are looking 3-4 million there.


Dont forget they seem to like Tanney as vet backup more than those of us on the outside do.

I dont think that plays out anyway, just spitballing
If he really is weighing who gives them the best chance to win  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 12:08 pm : link
and the thought is in his mind. We should really go with DJ and cut Eli.

I just don't think these comments are true and were manufactured. Shurmur knew he'd be getting this question a lot this offseason. These comments do a few things - put out there this is an open competition, that DJ is good enough to possibly supplant an established vet, and when Eli starts week 1 it will be because he was the best option to win them games. Until he can't and you bring in DJ with less pressure and expectation. Actually if you start him week 1 the expectations are going to be artificially high now.
RE: ...  
Ira : 6/11/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14469260 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
11s12 seconds ago

There's no benefit to declaring Jones the backup today. But Eli took every first-team rep this spring. Until that changes, nothing to see here. There's ~25 training camp practices and 4 preseason games. I just don't see how Jones goes from where he is today to starting Week 1.


This.
It does seem to indicate that Eli will not have a long rope  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 12:10 pm : link
this season. He better bring it, or he'll be finishing his run holding a clipboard. That's the message being sent, IMO.
Well, assuming Eli will be on a pitch count this summer  
The_Boss : 6/11/2019 12:11 pm : link
Jones certainly will have accumulated a good number of reps to feel OK about inserting him as QB1 should Eli indeed prove to be toast, as many feel throughout the league.
RE: If Eli breaks both legs  
Jay in Toronto : 6/11/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14469261 since1925 said:
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Jones could be in there game #1.


You mean if he only breaks one leg he could still escape the rush with his good leg?
I wouldn't be surprised to see disagreement within the organization  
UberAlias : 6/11/2019 12:11 pm : link
Mara probably has a strong desire to see Eli off on a high note with Shurmur motivated simply to win football games.
Already latest Headline at Pro Football Talk...  
ZogZerg : 6/11/2019 12:12 pm : link
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......Its easy to interpret that as the opening of a competition between the veteran who has led the Giants to two Super Bowls and the first-round pick, but Shurmur knows what leaving room for interpretation means.

Im not trying to be cryptic about it, Shurmur said. It is what I said it is. Eli is getting ready to have an outstanding year and Daniel is getting ready to play. Thats really about it.

When it was mentioned that both things cant be true at once, Shurmur replied: Have at it, I guess.

Pat Shurmur says Giants will play the very best player at QB - ( New Window )
RE: Already latest Headline at Pro Football Talk...  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14469286 ZogZerg said:
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......Its easy to interpret that as the opening of a competition between the veteran who has led the Giants to two Super Bowls and the first-round pick, but Shurmur knows what leaving room for interpretation means.

Im not trying to be cryptic about it, Shurmur said. It is what I said it is. Eli is getting ready to have an outstanding year and Daniel is getting ready to play. Thats really about it.

When it was mentioned that both things cant be true at once, Shurmur replied: Have at it, I guess.


Pat Shurmur says Giants will play the very best player at QB - ( New Window )

It wasn't written by Florio so there were no shots taken at the Giants for a change.
interesting development  
ron mexico : 6/11/2019 12:26 pm : link
but until they start they start moving toward an even split of the first team reps, I don't buy that DJ will be in the running to start week 1
C'mon  
Thegratefulhead : 6/11/2019 12:33 pm : link
When they took Jones at 6, this was part all part of it. It is why Eli cancelled his appearance on Francesca. When you take a QB at 6, if he gives you any hint of promise(Jones has so far) the team that drafted him will look for any reason to possibly start him sooner rather than later. This would be good for the franchise but not so great for Eli. I expect Jones to improve. Going to say it now. Jones will be the day one starter. He is going to beat Eli out in this system if given a fair chance. If this was Gilbride's system, Eli wins hands down and it probably takes Jones a year or 2 to catch up. Shurmur's system needs someone athletic, that will make the correct first read and deliver the ball on time with accuracy and touch on short to intermediate routes. Jones will not be the better QB week 1 but he will be a better fit. I think this will become blatantly obvious over the next few months. Shurmur's comment is to prepare us all for what may come. The number 6 pick in the NFL draft gets to compete for a starting position. We know it and Eli's knows it.
I think Shurmur is gradually preparing  
Gap92 : 6/11/2019 12:34 pm : link
the media and fans for the post-Eli era with comments like this so that, when the inevitable happens and Jones supplants Eli, it won't be this huge emotional ordeal for the team and blow up in his face. He's laying the groundwork for it now with these now-regular comments, and he's also making it about football and performance rather than emotion and history. I think it's smart on his part. I also think, as others have pointed out, that he knows his ass is on the line and can't afford to take Ls with Eli if he feels they could be Ws with Jones.
This again??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2019 12:35 pm : link
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When they took Jones at 6, this was part all part of it. It is why Eli cancelled his appearance on Francesca


Eli cancelled the regular appearance 4 days BEFORE the draft.
Heres the question, which the Giants may just not be ready to  
mfsd : 6/11/2019 12:35 pm : link
face/accept - its reasonable Eli still gives them the best chance to win this year...but would getting Jones the experience this year give them the best chance to win in 2020?

The reality is, with jobs on the line plus the orgs desire to treat Eli right, they may not be willing to go there.

And Ive been an Eli guy all along, but IMO this team is setting up well to be a contender in 2020 and beyond
*I don't think it will happen before Week 1  
Gap92 : 6/11/2019 12:36 pm : link
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RE: Heres the question, which the Giants may just not be ready to  
Thegratefulhead : 6/11/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14469309 mfsd said:
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face/accept - its reasonable Eli still gives them the best chance to win this year...but would getting Jones the experience this year give them the best chance to win in 2020?

The reality is, with jobs on the line plus the orgs desire to treat Eli right, they may not be willing to go there.

And Ive been an Eli guy all along, but IMO this team is setting up well to be a contender in 2020 and beyond
Solid reasoning. Jones getting a year of experience in 2019 makes them better in 2020. Irrefutable.
It's no different than the President  
Bill in UT : 6/11/2019 12:41 pm : link
saying that all options are on the table. Doesn't mean anything
Shurmur is good at being non controversial in the media  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 12:42 pm : link
so the only conclusion is that he knew what he was doing with these comments and a message to both QBs is being sent intentionally.
Whether it is a true competition or not,  
smshmth8690 : 6/11/2019 12:42 pm : link
this is the first time Eli has ever had any competition for his spot. Comments may just be motivational.
If Jones starts,  
LS : 6/11/2019 12:45 pm : link
Eli is the veteran backup. The Giants aren't going to cut him to save money. A trade possibility may open up however.
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Klaatu : 6/11/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14469249 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
‏Verified account @rydunleavy
6m6 minutes ago

My interpretation of Pat Shurmur's comments: He wants Jones to be ready to play Week 1 just in case. Stay hungry. He would love him to be so good that he has a rethink his current path. But Eli Manning is the starter now and will be Week 1 barring some drastic change. #giants


I agree with Dunleavy's interpretation.
RE: This again??  
Thegratefulhead : 6/11/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14469308 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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When they took Jones at 6, this was part all part of it. It is why Eli cancelled his appearance on Francesca



Eli cancelled the regular appearance 4 days BEFORE the draft.
It is meaningless filler and included speculation to the point I was making. I concede to any reservations you may have to that part of the post. Maybe my recollection is inaccurate on the minutia of the details, but I believe Eli is quoted as to being told they were going to draft a QB high in the draft, before the draft. This my reason for the inclusion, I accept it if that is not correct.
RE: RE: If Eli breaks both legs  
giants#1 : 6/11/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14469284 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14469261 since1925 said:


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Jones could be in there game #1.



You mean if he only breaks one leg he could still escape the rush with his good leg?


He probably wouldn't be much slower than he is with 2 good legs... :-D
It's fgoing to be interesting, because the last few years,  
barens : 6/11/2019 12:51 pm : link
Dallas' defense has been getting to Eli, if that trend continues, I wonder if Jones gets a shot.
I would be shocked if Jones doesn't start at some point in 2019  
Matt in SGS : 6/11/2019 1:03 pm : link
but I'd be more shocked if he is starting in Week 1.
Just to be clear (or at least as I see it)  
jvm52106 : 6/11/2019 1:05 pm : link
being ready to play week 1 could mean be ready to be the DRESSED back up QB. I would think Tanney is the guy who should really be reading the tea leaves here - for now.
RE: Just to be clear (or at least as I see it)  
jvm52106 : 6/11/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14469358 jvm52106 said:
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being ready to play week 1 could mean be ready to be the DRESSED back up QB. I would think Tanney is the guy who should really be reading the tea leaves here - for now.


If Eli is the starter, Jones is the backup and Lauletta is given every chance to stick as the 3.
RE: If Jones..  
90.Cal : 6/11/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14469240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is ready to be the Day 1 starter, Eli absolutely has to be cut.


Is there no value in DJ learning throughout the year with Eli right over his shoulder? I'll bet Eli would make a better QB coach than Shurmur ever could. Start him week 1 and have Eli assist him from the sidelines and on the practice field all year long. Study habits. Field vision. Play recognition. The list goes on as far as the things Eli could help DJ with.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised to see disagreement within the organization  
Bill L : 6/11/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14469285 UberAlias said:
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Mara probably has a strong desire to see Eli off on a high note with Shurmur motivated simply to win football games.


If that's the case there is no way they would not end up in the same place.
RE: RE: If Eli breaks both legs  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/11/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14469284 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14469261 since1925 said:


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Jones could be in there game #1.



You mean if he only breaks one leg he could still escape the rush with his good leg?

He has a good leg?
RE: RE: This again??  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/11/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14469332 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 14469308 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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When they took Jones at 6, this was part all part of it. It is why Eli cancelled his appearance on Francesca



Eli cancelled the regular appearance 4 days BEFORE the draft.

It is meaningless filler and included speculation to the point I was making. I concede to any reservations you may have to that part of the post. Maybe my recollection is inaccurate on the minutia of the details, but I believe Eli is quoted as to being told they were going to draft a QB high in the draft, before the draft. This my reason for the inclusion, I accept it if that is not correct.

It sounds like your recollection of those events may include the probably fictional version told to us here by jt. I wouldn't consider that directional in any way.
I like it.  
Beezer : 6/11/2019 1:17 pm : link

As opposed to Eli being "officially" named the starting quarterback in early June, and a guy they think has very good potential being relegated as the #2.

I'm not saying Jones is better than Eli or a better option. But ... what if between now and the end of camp, it's clear that he is?

Then what, if you've already made your declaration?

I like what Shurmur is doing/saying right now.
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