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Both Darius Slayton and C.J. Conrad received 1st-team reps

Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:37 pm
today...
Really look forward to seeing both in preseason  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2019 12:43 pm : link
By all accounts they both made strong impressions in OTAs
Is Carlock back practicing or still nursing the injury?  
figgy2989 : 6/11/2019 12:55 pm : link
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RE: Is Carlock back practicing or still nursing the injury?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14469348 figgy2989 said:
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One reporter tweeted he was back, another said he was still out.
Gotta love twatter  
figgy2989 : 6/11/2019 12:58 pm : link
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RE: RE: Is Carlock back practicing or still nursing the injury?  
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14469352 Eric from BBI said:
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One reporter tweeted he was back, another said he was still out.


And one said he cut his hair, so maybe the guy who said he was still out just didn't recognize him.
RE: RE: Is Carlock back practicing or still nursing the injury?  
Milton : 6/11/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14469352 Eric from BBI said:
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One reporter tweeted he was back, another said he was still out.
But what did they say about Carlock?
With Tate and Shep the interchangeable slot and z  
BSIMatt : 6/11/2019 1:08 pm : link
Iím assuming the open competition is for the X receiver outside between Latimer, Coleman and Slayton. Happy to see Slayton emerging.
Yeah, that's pretty good for a 5th round pick  
ZogZerg : 6/11/2019 1:15 pm : link
and an undrafted Rookie FA
What's more important is that both put in some extra work...  
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 1:17 pm : link
After practice. Slayton worked on his routes (along with Reggie White, Jr.) and Conrad worked on his blocking technique (along with Eric Dungey).
WHOA! Big offseason!  
Brown Recluse : 6/11/2019 1:22 pm : link
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I guess Conrad is doing Engram stuff,  
flycatcher : 6/11/2019 2:13 pm : link
and it would be nice for Shula to have the full TE repertoire available even if EE isnít on the field.
JASON WITTEN 2.0 DEZ BRYANT 2.0  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
Well how about that  
ij_reilly : 6/11/2019 4:11 pm : link
These underappreciated rookies are making noise!
;)
We won't know anything about this team until they play the cowturds  
SterlingArcher : 6/11/2019 5:12 pm : link
week 1. With Jason Witten back with the cowturds and De Sean Jackson back with the shegals the Giants task got a little harder. They never had any luck defending those guys.
Patti Traina mentioned both Slayton and Conrad among 5-6  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 7:24 pm : link
players who impressed her during the mini-camp last week, along top mention Daniel Jones.

As usual, Traina's observations are among the sharpest and most accurate of all the beats - she simply pays more attention than many others. Others in the group she mentioned:

Perkins
Carter
Peppers

She also commented that the Giants are once again a BORING team, in a positive way. They are all about FOOTBALL and only football. She loved OBJ but there's no doubt he (and others since dispatched) brought distractions onto the field. For now, that's gone.

JonC called it at the time, DG felt dumping OBJ was "addition by subtraction."

With Conrad there's still the elephant in the room "can he block?"

With Slayton, she RAVED about his speed, not just to get deep but to take a short pass over the middle (slant?) and just HIT the accelerator. On a team with Corey Coleman, to say Slayton separated himself from everyone else vis a vis speed is saying something. Saying a lot, actually.

Same as Sy's scouting report on Slayton.
Oh, puh-leeze.  
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
Slayton and Conrad take some reps with the 1st Team on June 11 and some of you get wood.

Unreal.
Klaatu is right...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/11/2019 8:36 pm : link
...just because the coaching staff, who sees these guys in the team room and on the field daily, is excited about them doesn't mean the fans should get excited too.
Klaatuis right , Klaatu barada nikto  
gtt350 : 6/11/2019 9:43 pm : link
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The hands will be under a microscope for Slayton  
BSIMatt : 6/11/2019 9:47 pm : link
That being said one of the things I loved that were mentioned about him was the yac ability, that he showed great promise to turn short catches into big gains. As one dimensional as he appears on the surface, he has attributes to be a much more well rounded receiver...he has same hand size as Beckham and Nicks coming out along with same big 33in wing span, which heís show ability to extend, high point and use his length to make catches. In addition he has the leaping ability to play like a bigger receiver despite his 6-1 frame. He has some tools to work with for sure, hope he can put it together and contend for wr3 reps.
If thereís position that teams Now  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/11/2019 10:31 pm : link
To be able to find value at later And later is WR. Slayton has his flaws but if he Can contribute at all as A Rookie is a huge plus w his speed
RE: Oh, puh-leeze.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/11/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14469849 Klaatu said:
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Slayton and Conrad take some reps with the 1st Team on June 11 and some of you get wood.

Unreal.


No, what's unreal is some Giants fans who can't get excited about anything in the offseason.

Why the fuck are you even on BBI in June?
I'm going to go with Pattie ...  
Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 12:45 am : link

DJ (Jones), Perkins, Peppers, Slayton, Conrad, Carter ?

I'd add Baker, Beal and Coleman, Hernandez, among others.

A lot of youth with big promise; plenty to be excited about !

RE: RE: Oh, puh-leeze.  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14469999 Eric from BBI said:
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Slayton and Conrad take some reps with the 1st Team on June 11 and some of you get wood.

Unreal.



No, what's unreal is some Giants fans who can't get excited about anything in the offseason.

Why the fuck are you even on BBI in June?


I'm here to make jokes about fans getting all hyped up over every little thing that happens during OTA's.

Some of you are like cats reacting to laser pointers.

As I said earlier:
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What's more important is that both put in some extra work...
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 1:17 pm : link : reply
After practice. Slayton worked on his routes (along with Reggie White, Jr.) and Conrad worked on his blocking technique (along with Eric Dungey).


That's what is worth noting! That's something to get excited about! Rookies taking extra time to work on their craft, from a guy who's all but guaranteed to make the team, to others hoping, maybe, for a spot on the PS. Everything else is fluff, and making inferences about personnel decisions based on a pitch-and-catch session in June is nuts, and yet that's what's going on here.
While I wouldn't say I'm excited about this, I am very encouraged  
Ira : 6/12/2019 9:49 am : link
and I'm going to look for them during out pre-season games. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both make the team and get some time off the bench early on.
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/12/2019 10:44 am : link
Rookies - especially a 5th rounder and an undrafted free agent - getting reps with the first team as early as June is something to get excited about. It does mean something. It's a recognition by the coaching staff that the players in question deserve some time with the big boys.

If you can't get a little excited about news like this, I'm not particularly sure what you are getting out of being a fan of a sports team in the offseason. Because you can simply make the argument that nothing matters until the real season begins.
We've seen "fool's gold" in OTAs before;  
WillieYoung : 6/12/2019 11:00 am : link
Guys who flashed but faded when the pads came on. But we've also seen buzz about players who ended up exceeding everyone's expectations from the spring - to the summer - to the fall. Following and routing for the underdogs who come in and compete for jobs is my favorite part of the off-season.
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14470298 Eric from BBI said:
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Rookies - especially a 5th rounder and an undrafted free agent - getting reps with the first team as early as June is something to get excited about. It does mean something. It's a recognition by the coaching staff that the players in question deserve some time with the big boys.

If you can't get a little excited about news like this, I'm not particularly sure what you are getting out of being a fan of a sports team in the offseason. Because you can simply make the argument that nothing matters until the real season begins.


Eric, there is no entrenched starter at WR with a skill set similar to Slayton's. The closest guy to that on the roster is Corey Coleman, who's taken the majority of snaps with the ones, and who has only been with the team for half a season. Is it really that much of a surprise that the Giants put Slayton in there for a bit? What do they have to lose?

As for Conrad, for one thing Engram is on the shelf. For another, it's not like Ellison, Simonson, and Dickerson are comparable to Bavaro, Cross, and Shockey. All three are eminently replaceable, so why not give Conrad some reps with the ones? Again, what do they have to lose?

Now, while it's nice that the staff is showing some faith in these guys, the questions that still surround them will not be answered until the pads are on and the hitting starts. That's when I get really excited.
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/12/2019 11:22 am : link
You are certainly entitled to that viewpoint. Again, not sure why you are commenting on June football threads then other than to discourage enjoyment by others.
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14470345 Eric from BBI said:
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You are certainly entitled to that viewpoint. Again, not sure why you are commenting on June football threads then other than to discourage enjoyment by others.


Well, somebody had to replace Doomster.

Seriously, though, my advice is prudence, not pessimism. To temper enthusiasm not discourage enjoyment.

A beat writer says something nice about Paul Perkins and half the people here have Wayne Gallman looking for a job. Another one says something positive about Oshane Ximines and the other half have him starting. Three weeks ago, Sam Beal was the CB flavor-of-the-month. This month it's Deandre Baker. As my fellow kids say, "Slow your roll." Let the process play out.
It doesn't suck  
JonC : 6/12/2019 11:46 am : link
that two rookies have demonstrated enough to get first team reps. It's not a regular occurrence, hopefully they keep moving the sled forward into Training Camp and beyond.
RE: Klaatu  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14470298 Eric from BBI said:
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Rookies - especially a 5th rounder and an undrafted free agent - getting reps with the first team as early as June is something to get excited about. It does mean something. It's a recognition by the coaching staff that the players in question deserve some time with the big boys.

If you can't get a little excited about news like this, I'm not particularly sure what you are getting out of being a fan of a sports team in the offseason. Because you can simply make the argument that nothing matters until the real season begins.


Eric, in addition to the excitement over the individual players, it's refreshing to see a GM and coaching staff expect more of rookies, not be afraid of letting them advance as far as they can as fast as they can and run things like a true meritocracy. It's refreshing.
Quick...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/12/2019 12:17 pm : link
...question:
Why would anyone want to temper their enthusiasm?
Klaatu  
ZogZerg : 6/12/2019 12:36 pm : link
Eric asked a good question - why the fuck are you reading these June threads if you say it's means nothing right now? What's the point of you reading any results from OTAs?

BTW, your "jokes" pretty much suck ass.
RE: Klaatu  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/12/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14470298 Eric from BBI said:
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Rookies - especially a 5th rounder and an undrafted free agent - getting reps with the first team as early as June is something to get excited about. It does mean something. It's a recognition by the coaching staff that the players in question deserve some time with the big boys.

If you can't get a little excited about news like this, I'm not particularly sure what you are getting out of being a fan of a sports team in the offseason. Because you can simply make the argument that nothing matters until the real season begins.

imagine if Jones got 1st team reps. This forum would be lit like a Christmas tree.
RE: RE: Klaatu  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/12/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14470404 Chris684 said:
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In comment 14470298 Eric from BBI said:


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Rookies - especially a 5th rounder and an undrafted free agent - getting reps with the first team as early as June is something to get excited about. It does mean something. It's a recognition by the coaching staff that the players in question deserve some time with the big boys.

If you can't get a little excited about news like this, I'm not particularly sure what you are getting out of being a fan of a sports team in the offseason. Because you can simply make the argument that nothing matters until the real season begins.



Eric, in addition to the excitement over the individual players, it's refreshing to see a GM and coaching staff expect more of rookies, not be afraid of letting them advance as far as they can as fast as they can and run things like a true meritocracy. It's refreshing.


A very salient point from Chris. At least going back to TC, one always saw TC as hesitant to allow rookies first team reps, let alone to start. PS and his staff seem to have a different attitude in general. Of course, perhaps that's a function of much lower quality starters and a generally weaker roster.
Even after the Giants went 11-5 under McAdoo  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 1:31 pm : link
I still wasn't confident in the team's future or the direction of the team. After the past two years most fans are clinging to any positive news and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't see anyone claiming that Baker is destined for the HOF because he has been impressive.

The point is that there are finally plenty of reasons for optimism on this team.

Are the Giants contenders? Absolutely not but they are headed in the right direction. I think 2020 will be similar to 2005 where the Giants take a big step forward.

If your not exciting by what you're seeing/reading about Barkley, Jones, Baker, Beal, Love, Peppers, Conrad, Slayton, Carter, Ximines, Hill, Lawrence, etc, then I don't know why you would waste time following the team closely.

Again I am cautiously optimistic but I know some will twist my words claiming that I called all these players future all-pro's.
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 6/12/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14470444 ZogZerg said:
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Eric asked a good question - why the fuck are you reading these June threads if you say it's means nothing right now? What's the point of you reading any results from OTAs?

BTW, your "jokes" pretty much suck ass.


Oh, piss off.

You guys want to get all giddy over C.J. Conrad? Go right ahead. But I've been there and done that with Darcy Johnson, and Matt LaCosse, and Xavier Grimble, and Jerome Cunningham.

You want to sing Darius Slayton's praises? Knock yourselves out. Of course he's going to be the next big thing...just like Ramses Barden was. Of course he's going to take the top off the defense...just like Louis Murphy did. Remember Marcus Harris? "Soup," to his friends? He was going to be great, too, just like Sinorice Moss and Jerrell Jernigan were.

You want to know why I say temper your enthusiasm? This is why. I've been there. I've done that. But not anymore.

I'm just as excited for the Giants going forward as any of you are. I'm just not going to read much into what happens during OTA's and mini-camp, and I'[m going to offer a counter-balance to those who do. If you don't like that, it's too damned bad.
RE: RE: Klaatu  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/12/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14470526 Klaatu said:
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Eric asked a good question - why the fuck are you reading these June threads if you say it's means nothing right now? What's the point of you reading any results from OTAs?

BTW, your "jokes" pretty much suck ass.



Oh, piss off.

You guys want to get all giddy over C.J. Conrad? Go right ahead. But I've been there and done that with Darcy Johnson, and Matt LaCosse, and Xavier Grimble, and Jerome Cunningham.

You want to sing Darius Slayton's praises? Knock yourselves out. Of course he's going to be the next big thing...just like Ramses Barden was. Of course he's going to take the top off the defense...just like Louis Murphy did. Remember Marcus Harris? "Soup," to his friends? He was going to be great, too, just like Sinorice Moss and Jerrell Jernigan were.

You want to know why I say temper your enthusiasm? This is why. I've been there. I've done that. But not anymore.

I'm just as excited for the Giants going forward as any of you are. I'm just not going to read much into what happens during OTA's and mini-camp, and I'[m going to offer a counter-balance to those who do. If you don't like that, it's too damned bad.


Your point is relevant, but... IIRC neither Barden, Jernigan, or Louis Murphy ever drew praise from TC like Slayton has from PS. It was almost exclusively generated by the beat writers' or fans in attendance's observations. That seems to me to be a significant and perhaps telling difference. we, we'll see if it is in a few months.
In fact, I am sure both Barden and Jernigan drew  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/12/2019 1:56 pm : link
ire from TC for different reasons. Barden vis a vis playbook, and JJ vis a vis technique at handling punts.

They were not praised by their HC above other rookies on the team.
Why get excited about this?  
Don in DC : 6/12/2019 2:43 pm : link
Because it holds out the prospect of a new Victor Cruz -- an unheralded rookie who could mature and develop right before our eyes into a quality starter at WR.

If you lack the ability or imagination to get amped up about possibilities like that, then being a sports fan must be a fucking drag. I feel sorry for you.
Excited because the new talent evaluator doesn't draft  
xman : 6/12/2019 2:52 pm : link
based solely on athleticism . No more Tarzan players
Generally I'm with Klaatu on this  
ij_reilly : 6/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
Hey, there's a lot of good news coming out of the OTA world. We're not hearing about anybody spitting the bit or just flaming out. Or personality issues. Clearly the Giants have a much better atmosphere and are doing a much better job of bringing in new talent.

I just don't want to get carried away about the implications of OTA performance.

Particularly with these two players.

How many TEs have floated through OTAs in the past to great reviews and excitement, only to have gone nowhere. Klaatu listed several, for a start.

Regarding the WR, hey, we need the speed, that's exciting. Here's a guy that's performing better than expected, that's great. But he's known for the dropsies. And no NFL-caliber DB is trying to violently separate him from the ball right now. Let's see how his hands hold up when he's taking severe body blows from NFL veterans. How is he going to respond to those footsteps then?

I think there's a middle ground of enjoying the clear improvement in talent acquisition and feeling really good about that, and recognizing that OTAs are a limited and somewhat flawed measuring stick.
Klaatu has a valid point  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/12/2019 4:48 pm : link
I think the run is that there has always been this segment of the Giants fan population that is always negative about everything. l I don't think Klaatu falls in to this category, but I understand getting frustrated when optimism is constantly shot down.
*rub  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/12/2019 4:48 pm : link
not run
Itís nice to see guys playing well in OTAs and minicamp  
The_Boss : 6/13/2019 9:54 am : link
I donít get excited only because it seems like many here think this is only happening with the NYG. You know who else is excited? Fans in Arizona, Tampa, Oakland, SF, etc. For me, it boils down to this: weíve had so many bad players and bad teams for 7 years now (8, if this team is what I think it is). Until I see tangible results over 16 games, Iím going to remain skeptical.
So...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/13/2019 10:10 am : link
...when some of you guys go on vacation, do you decide to temper your enthusiasm because you know that in only a week, you'll have to go back to work?

I'm more ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/13/2019 10:12 am : link
irate that you guys have driven Klaatu to call up the names of Louis Murphy and Soup Harris!!

I thought I had buried their memories in the dark recesses of my mind!!
RE: Why get excited about this?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/13/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14470561 Don in DC said:
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Because it holds out the prospect of a new Victor Cruz -- an unheralded rookie who could mature and develop right before our eyes into a quality starter at WR.

If you lack the ability or imagination to get amped up about possibilities like that, then being a sports fan must be a fucking drag. I feel sorry for you.

We also have become acclimated as of late of not having unheralded players become quality players, we have kind of forgotten what that was like. It used to be relatively routine and absolutely necessary to build a good team.
Some nuance is missing  
JonC : 6/13/2019 10:59 am : link
Sure, football practices in shells are lacking a huge element of contact and live bullets, and that needs to be kept in mind as we move through the OTAs towards training camp.

But, when two late draft picks are demonstrating enough grasp and positive results to warrant first team reps, it's a good and not so common occurrence. Remember, very often the reason a promising young prospect fails in the NFL is the inability to grasp the playbook and or demonstrate it on the field due to the speed of the live game. There's a huge mental element to the pro level of football, and the inability to demonstrate grasp is often the reason behind the question why can't insert player name here can't get off the bench.
Or take Lauletta  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/13/2019 11:03 am : link
Who is essentially a 4th stringer, not practicing with a phantom injury, think a lot can be read into that too.
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