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NGT: Oakland will be on Hard Knocks

Bold Ruler : Mod : 6/11/2019 7:09 pm
Adam Schefter: Jon Gruden and the Oakland Raiders are going to be on Hard Knocks this summer, per league official. They are the second AFC West team to be featured on the HBO series (KC Chiefs in 2007).
Sweet  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 7:10 pm : link
I had a feeling they would choose Oakland.
Thank heavens  
section125 : 6/11/2019 7:14 pm : link
..
Damn.  
Diver_Down : 6/11/2019 7:14 pm : link
I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.
Perfect choice  
George from PA : 6/11/2019 7:15 pm : link
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Yeah  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/11/2019 7:16 pm : link
I was worried that the Giants were going to be caught in that circus.

Some here have said that there participation in "Finding Giants" counted towards keeping them safe.
their  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/11/2019 7:17 pm : link
before the grammar police arrest me
Surprised they’re not waiting until the Raiders  
mfsd : 6/11/2019 7:18 pm : link
first season in Vegas to put them on
RE: Damn.  
Klaatu : 6/11/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:
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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.


Yeah, I was hoping the Giants would be on it, too.
RE: Damn.  
Danny Kanell : 6/11/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:
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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.


+1
RE: Damn.  
jestersdead : 6/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:
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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.

Agree. But HBO knows we’ll be in consideration again next year and with Eli retiring, Giants will be the pick
This is the year they would want  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/11/2019 7:35 pm : link
Follow Eli and Jones.
RE: RE: Damn.  
bubba0825 : 6/11/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14469850 jestersdead said:
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In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:


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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.


Agree. But HBO knows we’ll be in consideration again next year and with Eli retiring, Giants will be the pick



Theirs a good chance that after this season Eli is gone.
I think they should do something unprecedented next year.  
smshmth8690 : 6/11/2019 7:41 pm : link
Return, and do Cleveland again.
RE: Damn.  
Ceez2.0 : 6/11/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:
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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.


I’m with ya! Would love to see the behind the scenes stuff that show provides. Seems a little weird to me that most people wouldn’t. Participating on the show isn’t going to determine success on the field.
RE: I think they should do something unprecedented next year.  
Ceez2.0 : 6/11/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14469857 smshmth8690 said:
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Return, and do Cleveland again.



I feel like they did Dallas twice, or was it Baltimore?
I really wanted it to be us...  
90.Cal : 6/11/2019 7:46 pm : link

If we dont make the playoffs this season...

We will be one of the favorites to be on it in 2020...
RE: RE: I think they should do something unprecedented next year.  
90.Cal : 6/11/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14469862 Ceez2.0 said:
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In comment 14469857 smshmth8690 said:


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Return, and do Cleveland again.




I feel like they did Dallas twice, or was it Baltimore?


Lol..
If you are glad, think about how Cory Coleman feels  
KeoweeFan : 6/11/2019 7:54 pm : link
If I recall, he came out looking bad the last time Cleveland was picked, and he was upset about the coverage on the show of his trade to Buffalo.
It looks like he is getting his (stuff) together here in NY and if he succeeds, he'd be another "steal" of a former first rounder.
We wouldn't want to derail that possibility.
Damn  
mitch300 : 6/11/2019 8:05 pm : link
I wanted us.
Chuckie never met a camera he didn't like.  
MOOPS : 6/11/2019 8:40 pm : link
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RE: Surprised they’re not waiting until the Raiders  
widmerseyebrow : 6/11/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14469827 mfsd said:
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first season in Vegas to put them on


Was wondering that myself. New stadium, practice facilities, new city... Would have made a much more interesting setting/dynamic.
RE: This is the year they would want  
Vanzetti : 6/11/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14469851 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Follow Eli and Jones.


Not sure if fans around the league would consider that must see TV
Gruden probably begged for it  
Dave in PA : 6/11/2019 9:40 pm : link
He misses his blabbering face being on TV
Giants will have a good shot at it next year  
Oscar : 6/11/2019 9:43 pm : link
No f’ng way this team makes the playoffs. I would love to see a Giants season of Hard Knocks.
The Giants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 8:11 am : link
won't be on unless they ask to be.

They have a backdoor deal with the league to avoid it because of some of the other things they've done. "Finding Giants" is one a lot of people point to, but they've also given access in other areas that helps keep them from being chosen for "Hard Knocks".

I don't see that changing for several years.
I don't think it's such a great choice.  
barens : 6/12/2019 8:53 am : link
Besides their coach and GM, I don't know many players on that team.

The Jets or the Jaguars would have been more entertaining to me.
RE: The Giants..  
RDJR : 6/12/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14470109 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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won't be on unless they ask to be.

They have a backdoor deal with the league to avoid it because of some of the other things they've done. "Finding Giants" is one a lot of people point to, but they've also given access in other areas that helps keep them from being chosen for "Hard Knocks".

I don't see that changing for several years.


What are the other areas the Giants have given access to? Just curious.
Finding Giants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 9:44 am : link
was one of Steve Sabol's last shows. It was his brainchild, he specifically wanted the Giants to be in it, and they agreed with very few conditions. This was very much appreciated by the league.

They've also helped out on "Jersey Guys" and gave access for a couple of other documentaries that are in the works.

I don't know the specifics. I think one is around Saquon's start to his career.

The Giants want to avoid "Hard Knocks" as long as they can and the league is likely to appease that request.
RE: I don't think it's such a great choice.  
Les in TO : 6/12/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14470162 barens said:
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Besides their coach and GM, I don't know many players on that team.

The Jets or the Jaguars would have been more entertaining to me.
between brown burfict Carr the impending move to Vegas Chuckie and the raiders culture it was definitely not a boring selection
Think it would have a been a lot more interesting next year  
Oscar : 6/12/2019 10:56 am : link
When they are in Vegas, but I understand the appeal in general.
RE: Damn.  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/12/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14469816 Diver_Down said:
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I was hoping that we would. I'm in the minority, but more Giants coverage to me isn't a bad thing.



I would LOVE for the Giants to be on Hard Knocks.

It's a lot more enjoyable to root for a team of guys where you get a better sense of who they are as people on and off the field and Hard Knocks would offer more of that than what is currently available to teams not on Hard Knocks.

I'd love to see how Shurmur and Gettleman interact with his coaching staff in various meetings. I want to see how our position coaches talk with our players. I want to see what some of our vets' family lives are like in their off-days, and I want to get more access to guys on the roster, both old new.

I get excited for grainy twitter videos of camp work and like any behind the scenes access I can get one of my favorite teams. Of course it's edited, but it will still have better coverage, more footage, more access, and will give us fans a lot more screen time of both the mainstays on the team and the guys who are fighting for roster spots and show them in a way that humanizes them.

There is no data supporting the claim that teams do worse after being on Hard Knocks. 13 teams have been on Hard Knocks. In those seasons, 6/13 had a better record than the year prior, 5/13 had a worse record, and 2/13 had the same record.

As much as people say it's a distraction (again not backed by the data), one could also make the argument that the extra cameras turning training camp into a national show causes players to work harder during training camp, either motivated to get positive camera time or out of fear of being embarrassed on national television.



I feel like being on HK would undermine a team's chance  
jcn56 : 6/12/2019 11:39 am : link
to compete at a high level. The distraction would hurt, in a league where every little bit of competitive advantage helps.

At the same time - I don't expect the Giants to do much winning this season, and if they do eventually have to do HK, I would have wanted this to be the year for it. Between the non-competitive season I'm expecting and it likely being Eli's final season, this would have been the best case scenario over the next few years.
After the past few seasons  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/12/2019 12:47 pm : link
the Giants would have been smart to have been on it this year.

People would be much more invested and feel connected to certain players. Which might lead to better attendance all around.
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