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There's gonna be a dog-fight at defensive slot ...

Manny in CA : 6/11/2019 8:51 pm

Early, Sam Beal looked like "DA Man" at corner opposite Jackrabbit. Sam had to leave to take care of personal business, 1st round pick Baker has taken full advantage.

That leaves the slot - where vet Haley is making plays, but can he hold off Beal and young studs Love and Ballentine ?

It's a musical chairs kind of thing. My feeling is that Haley's odd-man-out. I think he'll end-up fighting for one of the safety positions (and probably win). Bethea is a wliey old vet, but I think Haley's got the skills to send him to the bench.

Competition is wonderful (and necessary), but it often means that you're forced to release players who end-up shining for other teams.
So...  
V.I.G. : 6/11/2019 9:08 pm : link
An UDFA that was on the roster for half of '18 is going to win a starting safety spot from a bettcher signing? M'kay.
Haley is 5í9 190 lbs  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2019 9:15 pm : link
He doesnít have the size to play safety. I think the Giants will carry 6 CBís because they all deserve a roster spot. If they are going to keep 5 I expect them to stash one on IR. If Haley or Ballantine suffer a minor injury I could see either being placed on short term IR.
RE: Haley is 5í9 190 lbs  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14469941 Jay on the Island said:
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He doesnít have the size to play safety. I think the Giants will carry 6 CBís because they all deserve a roster spot. If they are going to keep 5 I expect them to stash one on IR. If Haley or Ballantine suffer a minor injury I could see either being placed on short term IR.


I tend to agree with you Jay, but the best FS of the current generation, Earl Thomas, is 5'10" and 202#.

And Haley, from his 2018 highlights anyway, has chops.
Looking ahead to 2020, my guess is....  
MOOPS : 6/11/2019 9:24 pm : link
Beal and Baker at CB, Haley in the slot and Love takes over for Bethea.
Beal will be the dime this year and spell the corners while Haley holds down the slot. Love will be a jack of all trades.
I think we're more crowded on the edge  
armstead98 : 6/11/2019 9:29 pm : link
Jackrabbit, Baker, Beal and Ballentine are all prototypical outside CBs. Safeties are safeties, not slot CBs.

That leaves Haley and maybe Love. Haley's got a lock on that job, IMO.
lol haley to safety! jesus christ this isn't madden  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2019 9:29 pm : link
I think Love is a cornerback that can make the switch because his strengths transfer to safety. Haley is absolutely not a safety.
RE: Looking ahead to 2020, my guess is....  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14469947 MOOPS said:
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Beal and Baker at CB, Haley in the slot and Love takes over for Bethea.
Beal will be the dime this year and spell the corners while Haley holds down the slot. Love will be a jack of all trades.


You have overlooked Ballentine. Chris Bisignano says "they really like him inside the building." He's probably the best pure athlete of all of them. But he's making a huge leap from Washburn.
I think Love  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/11/2019 9:35 pm : link
will be a part of this defense going forward, but I don't think he sees much action this year.
Most likely scenario  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/11/2019 9:37 pm : link
imo is Jenkins and winner of Baker/Beal on the outside.

Haley in the slot.



I suspect  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/11/2019 9:41 pm : link
they view Love as a guy they can move around from Safety to slot, but again, barring injury I don't think we see him or Ballentine much this year.
Love will be the starter  
Dankbeerman : 6/11/2019 9:48 pm : link
in the slot before to long. He is tremendous diagnosing routes and make a ton of plays on the ball. Slot CBs need to have quick hands as its harder to blanket guys without help from the sideline.

Nobody is gonna send Bethea to the bench but the little I have seen from Balentine he can play deep Saftey in Dime sets but not an everydown roll.

Haley is a slot only guy.

While The rookies will most likely have some growing  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/11/2019 10:22 pm : link
Pains what a difference a year makes. Jenkins and Bethea are huge for their experience. And year itís early but DG looks like heís fixed that back six for now and for quite a while
Credit where credit is due  
TD : 6/11/2019 10:30 pm : link
I really like what Gettleman did with this secondary. In a year he assembled a lot of young talent back there. I though he was just about the big guys. But it looks like he values DBs, as he should.
Haley at safety never crossed my mind. That is a strange one.  
Ivan15 : 6/11/2019 10:36 pm : link
Love and Ballentine are both better equipped physically to play free safety.

I think the slot battle comes down to Love and Haley with the edge to Haley. Ballentine and Love likely will back up at CB and FS.

All 3 should make the 53. Two draft picks and a UDFA with a year of experience.
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2019 10:44 pm : link
only music I hear after ramblings like this is the theme to the Bad News Bears.

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It's a musical chairs kind of thing. My feeling is that Haley's odd-man-out. I think he'll end-up fighting for one of the safety positions (and probably win). Bethea is a wliey old vet, but I think Haley's got the skills to send him to the bench.


Wow. About the only further reach I thought you might propose is putting Engram at safety...
It took me a while to recognize that this is a Manny thread  
adamg : 6/11/2019 10:55 pm : link
now it makes sense.
RE: The..  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/11/2019 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14470001 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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only music I hear after ramblings like this is the theme to the Bad News Bears.



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It's a musical chairs kind of thing. My feeling is that Haley's odd-man-out. I think he'll end-up fighting for one of the safety positions (and probably win). Bethea is a wliey old vet, but I think Haley's got the skills to send him to the bench.



Wow. About the only further reach I thought you might propose is putting Engram at safety...


I always wanted to see Brandon Jacobs play DE, myself.

Mind your Ps and Qs though, or Manny might nominate you for the next head coach.
Father Time ...  
Manny in CA : 6/11/2019 11:49 pm : link

Is an unforgiving, unsympathetic parent; Bethea is going into this 14th pro season, how long can he keep up with all those young bucks ? Only reason I mention Haley is because he's decent cover man and a good tackler.

Honestly, I don't think Haley is "all that" at the slot. I'm thinking the Giants (by design) have sold out into infusing a heck of a lot of young talent (via the draft) into the entire secondary.

Just don't see Haley fighting them all off.

Beal and Baker will fight for the corner; The "loser" (or one of the other young studs) will go to the slot. You always want your "best 11" on the field.

This makes absolutely no sense  
BillT : 6/12/2019 6:00 am : link
Haley is the starting slot corner and if he gets beat out (maybe 50/50 at best) he will be the backup slot corner. He doesnít play safety and will not supplant Bethea under any circumstances. Lunacy.
Oh my what a horrible problem to have  
eli4life : 6/12/2019 6:12 am : link
Anyways you need 4-5 good cbís nowadays. Maybe itís more of a dream to actually have them but Iím not one to look a gift horse in the mouth
Haley is not, and never was, jag  
Bob in Newburgh : 6/12/2019 8:58 am : link
Has one physical, prototypical weakness. He is shorter than you would like, but still within the parameters of successfully playing at least the slot.

Meanwhile, he is faster, directionally quicker, and probably tougher than his competition. And that being short is part of his directional quickness. I am sure he can change direction quicker than Beal, for example.

No reason for him, at his price tag, to lose slot to anyone currently on the roster.
i respect Haley (having made the team as an undrafted) ....  
Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 12:28 pm : link

Just like I respect Eli, (2X Super Bowl MVP)but this year it is - "dog-eat-dog"

https://nypost.com/2019/06/09/giants-underdog-grant-haley-is-fighting-new-names-for-his-job/

Lot's of guys trying to take his job; the one who's "laying in the weeds" is Julian Love (2nd CB taken in the draft) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8pOU20yMaM

(Aforementioned Beal, even Ballentine)
I like to try to guess  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/12/2019 12:32 pm : link
what other random phrases Manny will put "in quotes."
RE: I like to try to guess  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/12/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14470435 Gatorade Dunk said:
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what other random phrases Manny will put "in quotes."


LOL, at least Manny tries...
slot  
PaulN : 6/12/2019 12:48 pm : link
Will end up between Haley and Love. I think Love starts and Haley is the backup, both make the team. Outside its Jenkins and Baker, with Beal the backup and nickel, he will play plenty. Safety is Bathea and Peppers, Thomas and Moore. Ballentine makes it. Team keeps 6 corners. Bethea along with Jenkins will need to be team leaders. That is why he is here, not only to start but to be a leader on the field. Bethea is still playing good, plus with so many young backs they will need help on the field from players who understand the system and all the assignments.
I'm thinkin' "Gator aide Dunk" is not your real name ...  
Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 1:37 pm : link

So there, that another euphemism !

About Bethea, I'm glad here's; sort of like when Sam Madison came to the Giants. He was the best thing that ever happened to Corey Webster. Webster eventually won the job, and Madison (who was at the end of his career), could still play at a very high level for two quarters. a perfect back-up.
Are you saying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 1:43 pm : link
Madison was only good for half of a game??

Jesus man. In 2007, Madison started every game but the season finale. Webster was almost exclusively used on ST.

It isn't like Webster was coming on as a late-game replacement for an old man who tired out by the second half.
Just trade Jenkins  
NephilimGiants : 6/12/2019 2:09 pm : link
Get more picks
What I'm saying ..  
Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 2:22 pm : link

Is that Madison was an amazing role model and encourager for Wester. When Webster finally won the job, Madison was very gracious and remained a valuable asset to the team.

Nobody's immortal (and can maintain the energy level of youth). Vince Lombardi once said - "fatigue makes cowards of us all".
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