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What's more important pass rush or pass blocking ?

Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 12:53 am

Very interesting article in bigblueview.

I've always been a big pass rush first advocate; but this discussion makes you think ...

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/6/8/18657767/pass-blocking-pass-rush-data-could-be-good-news-for-ny-giants
it has to be pass blocking  
Giantsfan79 : 6/12/2019 12:59 am : link
if you can't pass block you can't run an effective offense in today's NFL. If your pass rush stinks and you aren't a high sack team, there are still ways you can scheme to win.
Interesting to see that broken down by the numbers.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/12/2019 2:22 am : link
Corollary 1: Josh Allen (the pass rusher) probably would have meant less to the Giants' future success than the conventional wisdom seems to think, regardless of who the Giants picked at #6.

Corollary 2: The Giants will probably use premium picks to continue adding talent to the O line for the next couple of years.

Corollary 3: Since new analytics say that pass blocking is more important to winning than pass rushing and that the secondary is more important to defense than the pass rush, the draft value of pass rushing specialists will probably decline. I think it already has declined for the Giants. They went for Carter, Hill and Ximines in the 3rd, and haven't taken a pass rusher in the 1st or 2nd in DG's first two drafts. That may continue, to many fans' dismay.
I contend both are key. Pass blocking gets you to the playoffs  
George from PA : 6/12/2019 3:13 am : link
Pass rushing wins you the playoff games
Look at last year's Giants  
section125 : 6/12/2019 5:44 am : link
Once they got a mediocre oline they scored. Then they could not get to the QB and lost games late when the had a lead.

One hand washes the other.
Pass rush or pass blocking?  
M.S. : 6/12/2019 6:04 am : link

Pass blocking hands down IMO.

Why?

Because the offense can help the defense out more than the reverse. Pass block well; complete passes; move the chains; hold the ball; win the time of possession; and allow your defense to play their best ball watching from the sidelines enjoying the view.
Once  
mdthedream : 6/12/2019 6:32 am : link
they gave the ball more to there stud Barkley they scored.
Pretty sure...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/12/2019 7:42 am : link
...that the best answer is dependent upon knowing what the play is...~
I'd love to see those stats  
Jay in Toronto : 6/12/2019 8:19 am : link
Broken down by season quarters as the line supposedly improved.
...  
christian : 6/12/2019 8:45 am : link
Big Blue View is a fantastic site and has great articles like this all of the time.

It's definitely pass blocking, which is why Gettleman's run, stop the run, rush the passer, really needs and protect the passer.

I'm really excited about Zeitler, he's a tremendous pass blocker, as the article noted he just doesn't give up pressure.

Really across the board as the article shows, Gettleman despite maybe not sounding like it, has amassed a pass-blocking focused line.

I'm really hoping Coleman or Slayton emerges as a viable starter and can stretch the field, because it seems like Manning is going to have more time.

This also hopefully open things in the run game, where the Giants were seriously underwhelming last year.
weird question  
GFiLA : 6/12/2019 9:52 am : link
pass rush is really dependent on the quality of the pass defenders. If they are good then the pass rush can take more time. If not then it is imperative that the rushers get to the QB.

Pass blocking is always good. The pass opens the running game and creates a more balanced attack. This prevents the defense from stacking to stop the other teams strengths.
Manny - that is a good question.  
short lease : 6/12/2019 10:06 am : link
When I first read the question I said ... "that is easy it
is ...". Then I thought about it and changed my mind in like 5 minutes.

Conclusion - when the Giants are playing Defense - I have to give the edge to pass rushing.

When Eli is out there with the Offense - it has to be pass blocking.


Seriously - that seems to be to hard of a question. But, I am a firm believer that defense wins championships.
Pass rushing  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/12/2019 11:28 am : link
That 2011 oline was shot.
Well, if you provide an effective pass rush efficiency  
Hades07 : 6/12/2019 11:36 am : link
Wouldn't that cause your opponent to have an ineffective pass blocking efficiency? Thus giving you an advantage on winning because their pass blocking efficiency is poor?

Hard to use numbers as comparison when the efficiency of one has a direct effect on the efficiency of the other.
go the belichick method......  
thrunthrublue : 6/12/2019 12:25 pm : link
protect your qb, attack with accurate passing, which opens up the running/deception screen passes/gadget plays which keeps the opposition offense sitting on their hands as you move the chains, run up the score and attack them with a defense that is fresh enough to create some three and outs, which leads to more offensive touches/drives which results in multiple super bowl trophies.
It was 60% to 52%  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:35 pm : link
In other words, team with stronger pass blocking won 60% of time and team with better pass rush won 52% of time

That is hardly conclusive. Plus, it does not take into account run blocking.

Also, "better" pass rush is not the same thing as"dominant" pass rush. So in a game between teams with the 30 and 28th ranked pass rush, if the 30 ranked team wins that counts "against" the pass rush winning percentage

Pass Rush  
WillVAB : 6/12/2019 7:51 pm : link
Look at the teams in the playoffs last year.

Look at the lack of quality pass rushers in FA.

Look at the contracts handed out to quality pass rushers.

Football IS complimentary ...  
Manny in CA : 6/12/2019 7:56 pm : link

Little Bill (with a lot of help) from his skunk works guru Ernie Adams wins in a LOT of areas (maybe by just a few percentage points) but the effect is cumulative. That's why Tom has six SB rings.

The back breaker for opponents is always seeing Tom taking all day, (at his leisure) picking defenses apart. That's O-line coach Dante Scarnecchia; the "stake in the heart" master at work.
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