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"Loud and clear a very, very big-time important message was delivered by Pat Shurmur before everyone goes away for the summer -- this is now a quarterback competition," Rapoport said on NFL Network. "For the first time, Pat Shurmur went out in public and used the words right now (Manning is the starter). Anytime a coach says right now, that means it's on. Even later, getting all the questions you would expect him to get, he essentially said have it. He has now opened up his training camp to be a full-fledged quarterback competition. "Either it is a competition or it's not. If it's not, you simply say Eli is the starter and Daniel Jones is going to sit and we'll address it when it becomes an issue. Or you do what Pat Shurmur said, which is, we'll play the best player, both the guys look good, and we'll see what happens. That makes it one of the more intriguing training camps and obviously shows the Giants love what they've seen from Daniel Jones." |
Actually Shurmur said exactly that, and the muck rackers refused to acknowledge it.
I'll lay 2:1 odds Eli starts vs. Dallas game 1. Anyone fool enough to take that?
On the other hand, top QBs including Rodgers, Mahomes and Brady have benefitted from not starting as rookies. Plus we'll never know how many guys who turned out to be busts would have had better careers if they hadn't started as rookies. Arizona probably didn't do Josh Rosen any favors last year by letting him get the crap beat out of him behind that terrible line before he'd even learned to read NFL defenses.
But I think Shurmur is sending a message to the whole team.
One of the beat writers once said about Coughlin that TC was the kind of coach he'd want to play for, because he goes by what he sees. I think that's what Shurmur is trying to do, and wants everyone to understand: He'll go by what he sees. Perform in practice and you'll make the team, get a jersey on Sunday and play. If not, you won't. Nobody gets handed anything. Everyone has to earn everything. And you earn it on the field in both games and practice.
That works if players trust that if they do what the coach is asking, if they perform, they'll get rewarded. It doesn't work if they see anybody being handed anything they haven't earned, and it really doesn't work if they see one guy outplaying another in practice, but the guy who's been outplayed gets the playing time.
I'm pretty sure Eli will show enough in camp to legitimately win the job. But like Shurmur said, you never know.
Doesnt suck for the longterm outlook
From it, the Giants are obviously impressed with Jones and his progress and optimistic about his future, but Eli is clearly the starter (until he isn't).
Now if you can spin this into there is an open compensation then you to are a “journalist””
From it, the Giants are obviously impressed with Jones and his progress and optimistic about his future, but Eli is clearly the starter (until he isn't).
My thoughts exactly...actually watching the video vs reading the transcript gives a completely different impression. One could use this as exhibit A as an example of meaning lost in translation....hugely overblown to say the least.
Dumbest post of the day... Congratulations!
Andy Reid shot down any speculation that rookie Patrick Mahomes II might challenge Alex Smith to be the Chiefs starting quarterback. "It's Alex's job," Reid said. "That's how we're doing it. The next question is you come back and say, 'What if Alex gets hurt?' I would never say (Mahomes) can't do something but I would tell you in this case it's Alex's job. There's no gray area with that."
Here’s how you purposefully plant seeds for the possibility of transitioning to Daniel Jones from Eli:
Q: Is there a scenario where Daniel can win this starting job in training camp?
A: I think we are going to play the very best player and I know we are dancing around the words there. Right now, Eli is getting ready to have a great year and Daniel is getting ready to play. You see what happens with it. We feel good about where Eli is. He is our starting quarterback and we have a young player that we think is going to be an outstanding player, getting himself ready to play. And you know, you just see what happens with it.
Until then, there is no competition
Actually Shurmur said exactly that, and the muck rackers refused to acknowledge it.
I'll lay 2:1 odds Eli starts vs. Dallas game 1. Anyone fool enough to take that?
Lou, didn’t Shurmur also qualify the Eli is the starter statement with the amendment, “for now”. That doesn’t seem like muck raking
People should seek out the truth and not get their information from "translated" articles and tweets from reporters with an agenda.
We have a new contender for dumbest post of the day.
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We have a new contender for dumbest post of the day.
I'm sure that was sarcasm.
All these articles claiming Jones could be the starter is just stirring up shit.
Shurmur had multiple chances to completely shut down a QB competition. He never did. That should tell you all you need to know.
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We have a new contender for dumbest post of the day.
I'm sure that was sarcasm.
All these articles claiming Jones could be the starter is just stirring up shit.
I don't think they are just stirring up shit. The people "stirring up shit" are the HC and OC. They've spoke numerous times to the media and neither one has given a definitive answer that Eli is the starter.
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We have a new contender for dumbest post of the day.
I'm sure that was sarcasm.
All these articles claiming Jones could be the starter is just stirring up shit.
I don't think they are just stirring up shit. The people "stirring up shit" are the HC and OC. They've spoke numerous times to the media and neither one has given a definitive answer that Eli is the starter.
Exactly, Shurmur knew how this would play in the media. They gave him about 1800 opportunities to shut it down, he chose the other path...deliberately.
Now if you can spin this into there is an open compensation then you to are a “journalist””
No, that's not what was said. You're also trying to twist this to your own narrative by making shit up.
Q: Is there a scenario where Daniel can win this starting job in training camp?
A: I think we are going to play the very best player and I know we are dancing around the words there. Right now, Eli is getting ready to have a great year and Daniel is getting ready to play. You see what happens with it. We feel good about where Eli is. He is our starting quarterback and we have a young player that we think is going to be an outstanding player, getting himself ready to play. And you know, you just see what happens with it.
If Shurmer wanted to shut this down he would have said something very different
Mike Francesa is in Eli Manning’s corner. But even he thinks he sees this one coming, and everyone heard what they thought they did.
The WFAN host thinks Giants coach Pat Shurmur’s curious comments about top pick Daniel Jones being in the mix with Manning to start Week 1 on Tuesday were no mistake.
The Giants are about to have an old-fashioned quarterback competition - and inevitably a controversy - in training camp this summer, and there’s a good chance Manning is going to get the rug pulled out from under him at some point.
“Shurmur clearly left door open for training camp competition at the QB position,” Francesa tweeted on Wednesday morning. “Doubt he misspoke.”
This is how it is being received by the media, and I guarantee you Shurmur was fully aware this would be the case.
Actually Shurmur said exactly that, and the muck rackers refused to acknowledge it.
I'll lay 2:1 odds Eli starts vs. Dallas game 1. Anyone fool enough to take that?
You're going to give me 2-1 odds Eli starts weeks one? Where do I sign up! Lol I get what your intent was, but that is not how you phrase it.
You are cherry picking and taking that sentence out of context.
Do you also believe Shurmer's intent was to declare Eli the starter when he said "You never know what is going to happen"?
Why would he say that? He knew what he was doing. It's pretty clear He wanted to leave the door open for whatever reason.
The fact that PS says Jones is getting ready to play means Tanney is pretty much gone. Now the question becomes who is the 3rd QB (the rookie from Cuse or Lauletta and his weak arm and weird behavior last year)?
Now, if in camp Eli is just not getting it done then Jones will play far sooner. Why anyone has problem with that is beyond me. Eli is the starter but far from entrenched based on the last few years.
Bingo. I said this in the other thread. These comments are intentional and serve some purpose. I think it is to give the illusion that this is a battle because if it is close or DJ is outperforming him a bit in practice they can still trot Eli out there week 1 and claim he won the battle.
The rope on Eli at this point is so short its gotta be choking him. Which is good, Eli seems to do better under pressure. In the end though I think people are going to be surprised how early DJ sees his first start.
Seems to me like that would be an effective question to cut through some of the coach speak.
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"We feel good about where Eli is. He is our starting quarterback "
You are cherry picking and taking that sentence out of context.
Do you also believe Shurmer's intent was to declare Eli the starter when he said "You never know what is going to happen"?
Why would he say that? He knew what he was doing. It's pretty clear He wanted to leave the door open for whatever reason.
A couple years Eli pretty much blew out his shoulder in a Jets pre-season game. Did you know that was going to happen? And, do you know that will not happen this year. If it does, would you not want your back-up "ready to play"?
I'd say right now that Eli is the starter, but he's putting some heat on him...and the whole team. If its possible, though highly unlikely, that Eli could get benched...so can anyone else.
I think Tanney and Jones will shoot it out for #2. Jones goes into camp at #2, so he has to hold off Tanney. If he pushes Eli, which it appears he has, that's great. Competition is good.
I think Tanney is the #3 QB when the dust settles, Shurmur likes him. Lauletta is toast, barring an injury.
The fact that PS says Jones is getting ready to play means Tanney is pretty much gone. Now the question becomes who is the 3rd QB (the rookie from Cuse or Lauletta and his weak arm and weird behavior last year)?
Now, if in camp Eli is just not getting it done then Jones will play far sooner. Why anyone has problem with that is beyond me. Eli is the starter but far from entrenched based on the last few years.
I think #3 is definitely a choice between Tanney and Lauletta. Despite what criticism there are of Lauletta he still was a mid-round drafted QB versus an undrafted guy, he still represents an investment by the club (time and money), and by all accounts, Dungey is seen more as a gimmick than anything else.
Seems to me like that would be an effective question to cut through some of the coach speak.
There's also no way that you will be able to tell if Jones outplays Eli during camp or even in pre-season games. QBing is a heck of a lot more than wearing a red shirt and throwing to *and against* teammates or against 1-4 stringers playing vanilla defense. What Eli has right now, Jones cannot match right now. And nobody will even be able to see if that statement is true or false until September.
Neither Shurmer nor Gettleman like the media or respect it particularly much. I think it's just as likely or maybe even more likely that they are screwing with them in their responses.
If this is truly a QB competition, if Jones wins it I think you have to cut Eli and commit to him. I don't see the Giants cutting Eli after he fails to beat out a rookie in camp.
Eli will start and play unless the wheels come off and everyone is clamoring for Jones.
There's also no way that you will be able to tell if Jones outplays Eli during camp or even in pre-season games. QBing is a heck of a lot more than wearing a red shirt and throwing to *and against* teammates or against 1-4 stringers playing vanilla defense. What Eli has right now, Jones cannot match right now. And nobody will even be able to see if that statement is true or false until September.
This is just simply not true. Go ask the Seahawks if they knew Russ outplayed their high priced FA QB Matt Flynn or ask the Browns if they knew Baker outplayed Tyrod. I'm sure there are numerous other examples.
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There's also no way that you will be able to tell if Jones outplays Eli during camp or even in pre-season games. QBing is a heck of a lot more than wearing a red shirt and throwing to *and against* teammates or against 1-4 stringers playing vanilla defense. What Eli has right now, Jones cannot match right now. And nobody will even be able to see if that statement is true or false until September.
This is just simply not true. Go ask the Seahawks if they knew Russ outplayed their high priced FA QB Matt Flynn or ask the Browns if they knew Baker outplayed Tyrod. I'm sure there are numerous other examples.
Your animus drives your every post and has for quite some time. But to answer directly, you cannot minimize the importance of reading defenses and decision-making. NFL QB's do more than just play catch. And much if not all of that comes with experience, either direct or observational.
But again, it's freaking spring football.
These rookie qbs are more prepared to play in the NFL than ever before. This isn't even comparable to when Eli came into the league.