Of at least 3 teams according to Bobby Marks on ESPN. Puccio says this will "unlikely impact" Nets pursuit.
Marks comments at 1:33 of linked video. And...
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I’m told Kevin Durant’s injury unlikely to impact Brooklyn’s pursuit of him. #Nets
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at 37 came back the next year played 64 games and averaged 15 and 10
I could have sworn he did in game one or two vs the Pacers .ESPN had a listing of all the all star players who tore tore their Achilles and Ewing's name was not on there ,I found that odd because i could have sworn that it happened
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Looks like they whiffed on Wilkins age by 10 years.
If you don't think this injury is significant, look at the history of players who had the same injury and never returned to their previous form. And you can look at some superstars too. Dominique Wilkins and Kobe are two that had a steep dropoff after their injuries.
Dominique was the exception to the rule. He had his best season in years coming off of his achilles injury. Kobe was 4 years older than Durant and was never the spot up shooter that Durant is. That alone gives Durant something to fall back on if his explosiveness is hindered.
Plus, Kobe came back briefly and then missed the rest of the season due to a bad knee injury. The following season he tore his rotator cuff in January and had season-ending surgery. His body broke down and there's no way to know if his ineffectiveness was due to an amalgamation of injuries, just the achilles or his age since he was 37 by the time he was able to string together enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions from.
Exactly. That never made a lick of sense. He's going to rehab and then risk that teams pay him the max despite him not playing for a year?
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.
In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.
The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.
This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.
In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.
The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.
This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.
I think this is a solid plan. AD may get traded to the Lakers, but Rich Paul said he'll be hitting free agency either way.
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.
In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.
The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.
This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.
I'm 100% on board with this. I'd make your #3 a 3b, and 3a would be to first use cap space to take on bad contracts that expire at the end of next season in exchange for draft picks.
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Is this a joke?
Can I use those funds to pay off my college loans?
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As a Net fan I hope he is, but this isn't telling. O'Malley did his foot surgery several years ago too so the relationship isn't a new development. Though going through an extended rehab directly under his surgeons supervision perhaps it is an extra perk for a team that may have already been in the consideration set.
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This was reported yesterday. The doctor he's seeing operated on him when he had foot surgery previously so it's no surprise he'd go back to him. He also happens to be one of the best in the world for foot/ankle injuries. Shouldn't read anything into it. When Mariano Rivera tore his ACL for example, the surgery was done by David Altchek who works for the Mets.
stoudemire was not coming off an injury
It's a gamble, no doubt - but the Knicks don't have much to lose here. Lebron wouldn't want to waste a year waiting on Durant, but why wouldn't the Knicks? You could develop the young guys and tank for a draft pick this year, add KD + another free agent next season. Looks like AD is headed to LA, where he'll likely stay. If we don't gamble on KD, the only better option is Kawhi.
No other top free agent is going to join him until the know he can play near the same level
So Knicks pay KD 40 million to rehab.
They suck again and get another top draft pick.
Then they sign a free agent for the 2020 season when Duran comes back
Knicks are the only team in the league who would be likely to give an injured Durant the max. So the injury actually increases their chances of getting him
This is the only way I can see this working out for Knicks
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This is beginning to feel a lot like that signing to me. Get a superstar recently off of a significant injury only to get shell of the former player. I know Amare's injury was a different beast but I can't help but think of the parallels and the potential (and unfortunate) consequence of this type of signing.
stoudemire was not coming off an injury
yes - he had the microfracture surgery a couple years earlier but his game had changed as a result. I seem to remember many people questioning the signing as he wasn't the true elite superstar anymore. But we had to do something since the Lebron fiasco.
I guess as I write this post I'm realizing it isn't the same scenario but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm worried as a fan for this to turn out the same way.
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This is beginning to feel a lot like that signing to me. Get a superstar recently off of a significant injury only to get shell of the former player. I know Amare's injury was a different beast but I can't help but think of the parallels and the potential (and unfortunate) consequence of this type of signing.
stoudemire was not coming off an injury
yes - he had the microfracture surgery a couple years earlier but his game had changed as a result. I seem to remember many people questioning the signing as he wasn't the true elite superstar anymore. But we had to do something since the Lebron fiasco.
I guess as I write this post I'm realizing it isn't the same scenario but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm worried as a fan for this to turn out the same way.
he was 2nd team all nba his lastbyear in phoenix, what are you talking about?
He was the exact same player axtually he was the better player...
the problem was he had microfracture surgery and they say it only takes for 5 to 7 years so teams were worried about giving him 5 years..
In reality his knees held up it was the back injury that hurt him
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This is beginning to feel a lot like that signing to me. Get a superstar recently off of a significant injury only to get shell of the former player. I know Amare's injury was a different beast but I can't help but think of the parallels and the potential (and unfortunate) consequence of this type of signing.
stoudemire was not coming off an injury
yes - he had the microfracture surgery a couple years earlier but his game had changed as a result. I seem to remember many people questioning the signing as he wasn't the true elite superstar anymore. But we had to do something since the Lebron fiasco.
I guess as I write this post I'm realizing it isn't the same scenario but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm worried as a fan for this to turn out the same way.
he was 2nd team all nba his lastbyear in phoenix, what are you talking about?
He was the exact same player axtually he was the better player...
the problem was he had microfracture surgery and they say it only takes for 5 to 7 years so teams were worried about giving him 5 years..
In reality his knees held up it was the back injury that hurt him
Back, Knee...it's all part of the body (joke). Yes, you are correct - the knee did hold up but ultimately (his body) broke down so the end result was he wasn't the player we thought we could have had.
BTW, he missed 30 games in his third season with the team so we really got two good seasons out of that contract. I guess that's what I remember. That and the bitching about it here.
Other than that, save his first 78 game season, he never played more than 65 w/ the Knicks
Further, PHX decided not to pursue him as their docs, touted as one of the best med teams at the time if not still, said he had at most 1 year on those knees. And that's what happened. To be clear, this article also states they were more concerned w/ his non-microfractured knee more
Maybe he had back symptoms as well, but his knees were persistently the problem
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Durant opting in with Golden State is a "last resort." Not sure why so many folks (mostly in the media) thought that was a likely scenario - a severe injury makes it more urgent to lock in a max.
Exactly. That never made a lick of sense. He's going to rehab and then risk that teams pay him the max despite him not playing for a year?
If teams would give him a max this year, knowing he isn't going to play for a year, why wouldn't the same teams give him a max next year?
I would think the 'safer' option would be to opt in to GS for 2020, then sign a 4 year max thru 2024; FA in 2025.
If he signs a max in 2020, he would be a FA in 2024. Who knows how he holds up physically over that contract to get a new deal in 2024. Conversely, if he opts in and signs the max in 2020, he is guaranteed to get $40 mill in 2024.
Devastating bc he is so talented and seems like a really decent person
I hope he bounces back but it must impact his free agency for sure
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Durant opting in with Golden State is a "last resort." Not sure why so many folks (mostly in the media) thought that was a likely scenario - a severe injury makes it more urgent to lock in a max.
Exactly. That never made a lick of sense. He's going to rehab and then risk that teams pay him the max despite him not playing for a year?
If teams would give him a max this year, knowing he isn't going to play for a year, why wouldn't the same teams give him a max next year?
I would think the 'safer' option would be to opt in to GS for 2020, then sign a 4 year max thru 2024; FA in 2025.
If he signs a max in 2020, he would be a FA in 2024. Who knows how he holds up physically over that contract to get a new deal in 2024. Conversely, if he opts in and signs the max in 2020, he is guaranteed to get $40 mill in 2024.
The safer option IMO if I'm Durant is take the biggest deal he can right now. If he opted into GS for 2020 what happens if his rehab is slow or worse? What if he comes back towards the end of the year and looks like the injury has really hurt his play?
He could potentially gamble his max contract away by opting into GS next year and waiting another year. Get the max now from someone if they offer it.
Devastating bc he is so talented and seems like a really decent person
I hope he bounces back but it must impact his free agency for sure
He’s 30 years old...not 32.
But he's not the jump out the gym, ultra quick, freak athlete type either. His J is more a set shot than a leap, even on fades. His length will still be a big advantage. It will obv take time & adjustment, but IMO he has a decent shot at maintaining much of his game
Westbrook, DMitch or Steph & TYoung just for their quicks, even lesser players like DSJ or IsoZo - I'd be much more concerned. Everything from drives to Js would see a big change and a lot of their instincts would have to adapt to the drop in athleticism
Devastating bc he is so talented and seems like a really decent person
I hope he bounces back but it must impact his free agency for sure
That's an off take. First, he's 30, not 32. Second, he doesn't rely on his explosion offensively. He's not an attack the rim scorer type of scorer or a high flier. The overwhelming majority of his shots are from midrange and out.
For an Achilles rupture, surgeons recommend getting the surgery within 48-72 hours for the patients mindset and best clinical results. Not fully proven but that’s the standard course. I do agree he will try to play next year though.
For the people saying this effects his free agency, this is clueless thinking. He will get a max contract from every team that has the ability to. We are talking about a top 20 player of all time and one of the best shooters ever. He has plenty of great basketball left.
She said Kevin really wanted to be out there and compete.
She said Kevin really wanted to be out there and compete.
She did not say they told him nothing could happen and that the leg would hold up?
If she said that, we watched different interviews.
If she said that, we watched different interviews.
Maybe i heard it wrong, but steve kerr said exactly that, that the doctors said he was 100 percent healed and he would not suffer a worse injury
“What I will say is the doctors said he was OK to play” she said. “Kevin couldn’t have gone on his own to say he was going to play without the advisement of the doctors.”
Sources told Yahoo Sports’ Chris Haynes that though he was cleared, the 10-time All-Star was not anywhere close to 100 percent.
If she said that, we watched different interviews.
FMiC, what the Warriors were saying (and it was reported repeatedly during the pre-game and start of the game) is that there were no concerns other than re-tweaking the injury. Kerr quote after the game: "Our feeling was the worst thing he could do was reinjure the calf."
She then went on to tell GMA's Robin Roberts that she believes the Warriors organization carries some weight for uts hand in clearing her son.
"What I will say is the doctors said that he was okay," Durant continued. "Kevin couldn’t have gone on his own and said 'I'm going to play' without the advisement of the doctors. So they said he was okay... they share responsibility for him playing."
I agree with Jalen Rose's comments in the article. Given that Durant could not get through a practice on Friday, it was irresponsible to put him in a game on Monday.
If a pitcher who has been out for a month can't get through a bullpen on a Friday without pain, you don't put him out on the mound to start on Monday just because it might be the last game of the year and he wants to give it a shot.
And you don't tell him that nothing can happen to a body part at least closely related to the initial injury.
Very well could be a lawsuit here which would expose the underlying medical evidence but the Warriors will probably buy their way out of that, one way or the other.
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I'm consistently baffled how in sports and actually w/ a personal injury, even the medical pro's don't put 2-and-2 together and realize an adjacent weakness puts strain on connected structures. Like iirc when same / next day, it was 'known' that Cruz' calf was 'unrelated to the patellar tendon injury' without proper eval or MRI. After my own continuing lengthy rehab, I'm not sure how anyone can ignore or refute an issue nearby, aside from the importance of core & back muscles and of course the spine across the entire body
And I'd agree, knowing it takes quite some time to get in game shape even when healthy, it's a tough one to allow him to play after a poor showing(s) and a month plus since his last game & highest intensity output particularly in the highest level game - on a weakened peg no less