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kelsto811 : 6/12/2019 7:08 am
Of at least 3 teams according to Bobby Marks on ESPN. Puccio says this will "unlikely impact" Nets pursuit.

Marks comments at 1:33 of linked video. And...


Anthony Puccio
@APOOCH
I’m told Kevin Durant’s injury unlikely to impact Brooklyn’s pursuit of him. #Nets
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I don't know how it couldn't  
Eman11 : 6/12/2019 7:22 am : link
It's a significant injury. I'd understand it more if he was younger but given his age and the huge numbers involved, I'd think most teams would have to pass because of his injury.

Maybe some teams would still be interested but the numbers and expectations can't possibly be the same. Are there really teams willing to pay him 30 mil to miss most if not all of next year, so they can have him afterwards with no idea if he'd be the same player or even close to it?

I'm glad it's not my money they're gambling with.
It shouldn't impact the Knicks either IMO  
Big Rick in FL : 6/12/2019 7:36 am : link
You never have a shot at top free agents. Yes it's a huge risk, but he's worth the huge risk.
Kevin Durant’s injury may have saved the Knicks’ future  
Canton : 6/12/2019 7:41 am : link
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What if the Knicks actually dodged a bullet?

The one nagging thing about all the momentum that seemed to build this year surrounding Durant-to-the-Knicks was this: By the time next season begins, he will be 31 years old.

The last time the Knicks built the entirety of their blueprint around a pending free agent was 2010, and the target was LeBron James, and that wound up tossed in the crowded trash pail of failed Knicks plans. But James was 25 years old that summer. Kawhi Leonard is the other white whale available in this season’s free-agent haul. He doesn’t turn 28 until the end of this month. Even Carmelo Anthony was only 26 when the Knicks acquired him....

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christian : 6/12/2019 8:04 am : link
He'll be 32 coming off an Achilles's tear when he next hits the court.

That has to impact the decision.

Now I'm not saying the Knicks won't do something crazy like sign him to a max, that'd be pretty Knicks.
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nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14470106 christian said:
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He'll be 32 coming off an Achilles's tear when he next hits the court.

That has to impact the decision.

Now I'm not saying the Knicks won't do something crazy like sign him to a max, that'd be pretty Knicks.


except every tram in the nba wpuld still give him the max, so its not just the knicks
and can we stop woth anthony puccio  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:10 am : link
dude is a hack
How long did it take for  
Big Rick in FL : 6/12/2019 8:16 am : link
Rudy Gay & Boogie to come back from their torn Achilles?
RE: How long did it take for  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14470116 Big Rick in FL said:
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Rudy Gay & Boogie to come back from their torn Achilles?


7 to 9 months is now the timeframe to return but it usually is a full year before back to normal..

the key is what kind of shape are you in when you come back
Durant  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2019 8:27 am : link
I’d sign him to a 4 year max without hesitation. Again this is an immortal player we are talking about. He’s also one of the greatest shooters to ever play this game and that will undoubtedly help his recovery. The risk far outweighs the rewards.

What’s the alternative? Take on bad players on bad contracts for late 1sts or heavily protected future picks? I’ll take my chances one of the greatest players ever recovers from this. This also gives the Knicks another year to develop players and build the roster.

And that Vaccaro article is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.
It isn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2019 8:30 am : link
a torn achilles for a player who is fairly immobile. It is a torn achilles for a guy who uses it for explosion. At a fairly advanced age.

If you don't think this injury is significant, look at the history of players who had the same injury and never returned to their previous form. And you can look at some superstars too. Dominique Wilkins and Kobe are two that had a steep dropoff after their injuries.
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Big Rick in FL : 6/12/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14470121 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14470116 Big Rick in FL said:


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Rudy Gay & Boogie to come back from their torn Achilles?



7 to 9 months is now the timeframe to return but it usually is a full year before back to normal..

the key is what kind of shape are you in when you come back


So even if it takes him 10-11 months to come back he's still only 31 years old and possibly back for the beginning of the playoffs.

The people who don't want the Knicks to sign him keep saying he's gonna be 32 before he plays a game again. He won't be 32 for 15 1/2 months.
Didnt Patrick Ewing tear his in the 99 playoffs?  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:37 am : link
at 37 came back the next year played 64 games and averaged 15 and 10
Story in Post speculates the opposite  
Jay in Toronto : 6/12/2019 8:44 am : link
more likely he will stay wit GS
MRI  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2019 8:50 am : link
It was reported yesterday that Durant was going to NYC for an mri and exam ( small but good sign he’s getting medical care in Manhattan). But if it was indeed a full on torn Achilles- why the delay in announcing it?

Doesn’t this delay lead you to believe it may not be a serious as initially throught?
RE: Story in Post speculates the opposite  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14470151 Jay in Toronto said:
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more likely he will stay wit GS


first off berman is a moron..

second zero chance durant opts in, they either max him or he is gone
Add me to the group who has been swayed not to sign KD with the injury  
JustaDiscussion : 6/12/2019 8:57 am : link
I get that KD is a special kind of talent, but the Knicks signing an older, in basketball terms, player with an injury or injury risk just seems too much like them repeating the history that has kept them in this two decade funk.

I'm now solidly in the: use their cap space to try to acquire more assets and stick with the young players side of the debate. Hopefully a better opportunity will present itself before the young players hit their second contracts. I personally think that if the Knicks throw money at injured players or lesser stars like Kemba, Kyrie, or Boogie Cousins, they will undo everything that they did with the KP trade.
RE: MRI  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14470160 TyreeHelmet said:
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It was reported yesterday that Durant was going to NYC for an mri and exam ( small but good sign he’s getting medical care in Manhattan). But if it was indeed a full on torn Achilles- why the delay in announcing it?

Doesn’t this delay lead you to believe it may not be a serious as initially throught?


this is what i was thinking, if it was completely torn or ruptured they would of known the 2nd it happened
For Nets I'd still max him without a second thought  
Eric on Li : 6/12/2019 8:59 am : link
even if he misses a full year and comes back somewhat diminished he's still likely as good as Tobias Harris, Jimmy Butler, etc. and there's obviously the upside that he comes back still better then them.

Age 34 Kobe tore his in April, returned in December. Cousins was closer to a year. I'd imagine whoever signs him will take it slow and he will really only be an option around playoff time next year. So be it. Prince is already a minor upgrade over what the Nets had last year, continue making incremental roster upgrades and have KD waiting in the wings to take a big leap forward as soon as he's healthy. Ideally there'd be some kind of opt out to protect the team down the road if he has a disastrous recovery, but that would seem unlikely.
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christian : 6/12/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14470136 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14470116 Big Rick in FL said:


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Rudy Gay & Boogie to come back from their torn Achilles?



7 to 9 months is now the timeframe to return but it usually is a full year before back to normal..

the key is what kind of shape are you in when you come back



So even if it takes him 10-11 months to come back he's still only 31 years old and possibly back for the beginning of the playoffs.

The people who don't want the Knicks to sign him keep saying he's gonna be 32 before he plays a game again. He won't be 32 for 15 1/2 months.


It took Durant's teammate Cousins a full year to return, and that was the right call. GSW knew rushing him back was a bad decision. Rudy Gay rushed back and missed like 15 games the next year, after hurting his other heal, and has had ankle issues both years sense. A compromised Achilles causes lots of compensating and related issues.

If the Knicks do sign him, I'd hope they would be very cautious with him and not force him back next season.
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threeofakind33 : 6/12/2019 9:11 am : link
Hopefully Sean Marks and Kyrie can get it done. I think every Nets fan would sign up for this.
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Eric on Li : 6/12/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14470185 threeofakind33 said:
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Hopefully Sean Marks and Kyrie can get it done. I think every Nets fan would sign up for this.


I wouldn't if it's at the expense of DLo.
Begley  
Big Rick in FL : 6/12/2019 9:17 am : link
Said some in the Knicks organization would be willing to sign KD even if he does in fact have a torn Achilles.
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threeofakind33 : 6/12/2019 9:22 am : link
I almost can't fathom at this point, after all the smoke, Kyrie not ending up on the Nets. The only way that would occur is if Kyrie backed out (certainly plausible). It appears that there's a back-room handshake deal in place.

That is to say, if the Nets got KD, it would be because Kyrie recruited him here.

And, I think I'd prefer to keep Harris/Dinwiddie over DLo in that scenario.
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rich in DC : 6/12/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14470121 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14470116 Big Rick in FL said:


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Rudy Gay & Boogie to come back from their torn Achilles?



7 to 9 months is now the timeframe to return but it usually is a full year before back to normal..

the key is what kind of shape are you in when you come back


No, Wall just ruptured his achilles in January and isn't expected back from that injury for a year. Let's not make up our own facts to try and paint a rosier picture.
RE: Didnt Patrick Ewing tear his in the 99 playoffs?  
BIG FRED 1973 : 6/12/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14470144 nygiants16 said:
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at 37 came back the next year played 64 games and averaged 15 and 10
I could have sworn he did in game one or two vs the Pacers .ESPN had a listing of all the all star players who tore tore their Achilles and Ewing's name was not on there ,I found that odd because i could have sworn that it happened
RE: RE: Didnt Patrick Ewing tear his in the 99 playoffs?  
Canton : 6/12/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14470220 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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In comment 14470144 nygiants16 said:


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at 37 came back the next year played 64 games and averaged 15 and 10

I could have sworn he did in game one or two vs the Pacers .ESPN had a listing of all the all star players who tore tore their Achilles and Ewing's name was not on there ,I found that odd because i could have sworn that it happened


Ewing had a partial tear and he's on the list.
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have been told in general  
hitdog42 : 6/12/2019 9:50 am : link
"if i had a chance to max him i would still do it"
If the Knicks were the favorites pre-injury  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 10:22 am : link
I don't see why they wouldn't be the favorites now. I expect KD to be a Knick in about three weeks, unless Kawhi shocks the world and signs here.
Sign him dammit  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 10:24 am : link
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Woj also reporting  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 10:28 am : link
Durant opting in with Golden State is a "last resort." Not sure why so many folks (mostly in the media) thought that was a likely scenario - a severe injury makes it more urgent to lock in a max.
RE: RE: RE: Didnt Patrick Ewing tear his in the 99 playoffs?  
Eli Wilson : 6/12/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14470222 Canton said:
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In comment 14470220 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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In comment 14470144 nygiants16 said:


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at 37 came back the next year played 64 games and averaged 15 and 10

I could have sworn he did in game one or two vs the Pacers .ESPN had a listing of all the all star players who tore tore their Achilles and Ewing's name was not on there ,I found that odd because i could have sworn that it happened



Ewing had a partial tear and he's on the list. How Achilles Injuries Affected These Nine NBA Players - ( New Window )


Looks like they whiffed on Wilkins age by 10 years.
RE: It isn't..  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14470134 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a torn achilles for a player who is fairly immobile. It is a torn achilles for a guy who uses it for explosion. At a fairly advanced age.

If you don't think this injury is significant, look at the history of players who had the same injury and never returned to their previous form. And you can look at some superstars too. Dominique Wilkins and Kobe are two that had a steep dropoff after their injuries.

Dominique was the exception to the rule. He had his best season in years coming off of his achilles injury. Kobe was 4 years older than Durant and was never the spot up shooter that Durant is. That alone gives Durant something to fall back on if his explosiveness is hindered.

Plus, Kobe came back briefly and then missed the rest of the season due to a bad knee injury. The following season he tore his rotator cuff in January and had season-ending surgery. His body broke down and there's no way to know if his ineffectiveness was due to an amalgamation of injuries, just the achilles or his age since he was 37 by the time he was able to string together enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions from.
RE: Woj also reporting  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14470274 bceagle05 said:
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Durant opting in with Golden State is a "last resort." Not sure why so many folks (mostly in the media) thought that was a likely scenario - a severe injury makes it more urgent to lock in a max.


Exactly. That never made a lick of sense. He's going to rehab and then risk that teams pay him the max despite him not playing for a year?
Let's hear what the injury is before we decide how to proceed.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/12/2019 11:23 am : link
If it's a full tear or rupture, it HAS to impact the decision on whether to pursue him. If it's a partial tear, I can see teams rolling the dice.
1. Sign Durant  
PhilSimms15 : 6/12/2019 11:24 am : link
2. Draft RJ Barrett
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.

In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.

The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.

This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.
RE: 1. Sign Durant  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14470351 PhilSimms15 said:
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2. Draft RJ Barrett
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.

In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.

The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.

This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.


I think this is a solid plan. AD may get traded to the Lakers, but Rich Paul said he'll be hitting free agency either way.
Yeah, I hope that's the plan, too.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 11:30 am : link
Also, AD won't be the last great player available via trade. Keep stockpiling with KD on board and you never know who you can land down the line.
RE: 1. Sign Durant  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14470351 PhilSimms15 said:
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2. Draft RJ Barrett
3. Sign vets to one year deals to persevere cap flexibility
4. Continue to develop young players
5. In 2020-2021 sign AD as an UFA.

In this scenario, Durant gets healthy next season and even if he comes back at 85%, he will still be better than 95% of the players in the league.
Dirk N was a highly productive player until he was 37. And he’s a pretty good comp for KD.

The plan also will probably result in another lottery pick, so that builds the asset base even further and by 2020-2021, the Knicks would have AD, KD, RJ, another high pick, Robinson, Knox, et al + will still have five first round picks over the next three years.

This plan is about near-term, 2020-2011 and also sets the team up for long-term, sustained success.


I'm 100% on board with this. I'd make your #3 a 3b, and 3a would be to first use cap space to take on bad contracts that expire at the end of next season in exchange for draft picks.
Durant had a cramp  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:19 pm : link
cleared to play in game 6

MRI negative
RE: Durant had a cramp  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14470413 Vanzetti said:
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cleared to play in game 6

MRI negative


Is this a joke?
Sorry it was a troll  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:25 pm : link
on Woj's twitter. I fell for it
Wait, hang on Vanzetti. I have some info for you  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/12/2019 12:34 pm : link
Regarding unclaimed funds. I just need your date of birth and social security #
Epic fail  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 12:35 pm : link
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LOL  
ZogZerg : 6/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
NBA is such a joke.
RE: Wait, hang on Vanzetti. I have some info for you  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14470438 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Regarding unclaimed funds. I just need your date of birth and social security #


Can I use those funds to pay off my college loans?
God fucking damnit he's ending up with the Nets isnt he  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 12:47 pm : link

@NYPost_Berman
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Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewis’ sources
RE: God fucking damnit he's ending up with the Nets isnt he  
Eric on Li : 6/12/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14470458 Jon in NYC said:
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@NYPost_Berman
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Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewis’ sources


As a Net fan I hope he is, but this isn't telling. O'Malley did his foot surgery several years ago too so the relationship isn't a new development. Though going through an extended rehab directly under his surgeons supervision perhaps it is an extra perk for a team that may have already been in the consideration set.
RE: God fucking damnit he's ending up with the Nets isnt he  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14470458 Jon in NYC said:
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@NYPost_Berman
2m2 minutes ago
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Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewis’ sources

This was reported yesterday. The doctor he's seeing operated on him when he had foot surgery previously so it's no surprise he'd go back to him. He also happens to be one of the best in the world for foot/ankle injuries. Shouldn't read anything into it. When Mariano Rivera tore his ACL for example, the surgery was done by David Altchek who works for the Mets.
**steps back from the ledge**  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 12:55 pm : link
thanks guys
Amare Stoudamire...  
Seth : 6/12/2019 1:01 pm : link
This is beginning to feel a lot like that signing to me. Get a superstar recently off of a significant injury only to get shell of the former player. I know Amare's injury was a different beast but I can't help but think of the parallels and the potential (and unfortunate) consequence of this type of signing.
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