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NFT: Knicks "likely" to pursue Kemba

DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 8:13 am
ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski mentioned the Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks as the three teams most likely to pursue Kemba Walker in free agency.
The Hornets are still the favorite to keep Walker, as the point guard said back in early June that re-signing with the team is his "first priority." The Hornets also have a huge advantage over other teams, as they have the ability to offer him a five-year, $221 million deal -- rival teams can only offer four-year deals worth up to $140 million. If the Hornets end up losing their franchise player, they will have no choice but to rebuild from the ground up.

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arcarsenal : 6/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
At this point, it makes the most sense to pursue Durant, assume he will not play at all the first year and just rehab, draft Barrett, use another year on development/get another lotto pick, and then try to win in 2020-21 - sign Davis then as a FA. Forget trading for him.
AD's agent sure as hell isn't doing the Pelicans any favors  
figgy2989 : 6/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
If he really wants him out of New Orleans, why make these type of statements?
RE: With Kemba's personality and smile  
widmerseyebrow : 6/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14470350 since1925 said:
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He could make up the difference between the Charlotte super max and a Knicks contract over time. He is a genuine New York kid, a natural pitch man. Tiki without the baggage. In New York he could end up in Michael Strahan territory. In Charlotte he falls off the face of the earth.


That's a lot of smiling. He's not getting a bronze statue outside the garden if the Knicks are as good as Charlotte. This fan base has been telling itself New York has this huge leg up in that department, ignoring the state taxes and the difficulty of elevating a bottom feeder franchise.
RE: RE: RE: Paul talked  
shyster : 6/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14470372 Strahan91 said:
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If the Lakers don't land him in a trade though then they may use their cap space elsewhere. Lebron will be 35 in December. What if he declines or has another injury-riddled season? A lot can happen in a year. Hopefully AD goes someplace besides the Lakers. Then I think we'll have a shot.


I agree with all this as far as it goes and I'd love for NYK to go after AD as a free agent next year.

But the "lot can happen in one year" point argues against the trade path because there is no way to know how attractive the Knicks are going to look to AD a year from now.
I assumed he wanted Knicks or Lakers because he would sign  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 12:16 pm : link
with either team.

What's the point now? Let him stay in New Orleans another year.
If the  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 12:17 pm : link
Knicks play this right, they'll enter the 2020-2021 season with:

DeAndre
Knox
Durant
Barrett
DSJ

Frank
Trier
Mitch
Dotson
Likely lottery pick

PLUS a full max (AD?)
PLUS 4 more firsts in the next two years
RE: I assumed he wanted Knicks or Lakers because he would sign  
widmerseyebrow : 6/12/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14470409 Chris684 said:
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with either team.

What's the point now? Let him stay in New Orleans another year.


Haven't followed it closely but is it possible NO feels they are past the point of no return and will deal him no matter what? Any chance that tilts the trade needle in favor of the buyer(s)?
Speaking of AD and the Pelicans....  
Mike in NJ : 6/12/2019 12:20 pm : link
What has David Griffin every done that the media treats him like he is this great GM?

It's not like he recruited Lebron James back to Cleveland, that had nothing to do with Griffin or any other front office member of the Cavs. He then made the no brainer move of trading the #1 overall pick+ for Kevin Love to pair with Lebron and Kyrie.

He hired David Blatt and then fired him 2 years later to bring in Lebron's lackey Ty Lue, he traded 2 first round picks for Timofey Mozgov, gave big contracts to JR Smith and Tristan Thompson, sold low on Dion Waiters and Joe Harris...are these good moves?

Now the guy lucks into Zion Williamson, I dunno, maybe there is so great transaction in there that I am missing.
Durant cleared to play  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:20 pm : link
MRI negative

So, all the weeping can stop
RE: Durant cleared to play  
arcarsenal : 6/12/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14470415 Vanzetti said:
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MRI negative

So, all the weeping can stop


Wut
Sorry it was a troll  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2019 12:26 pm : link
on Woj's twitter. I fell for it.
Lol the MRI isn't going to be negative  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 12:29 pm : link
The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it)
Did KD get stuck in the MRI tube or something?  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 12:32 pm : link
Taking an awfully long time to announce the diagnosis.
RE: Lol the MRI isn't going to be negative  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14470429 Strahan91 said:
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The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it)


But that is the weird part it should not take this long to announce it is a torn achilles...

Even Bob Meyers in between sniffles said it is an achilles injiry but they do not know the extent
RE: RE: Lol the MRI isn't going to be negative  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14470436 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14470429 Strahan91 said:


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The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it)



But that is the weird part it should not take this long to announce it is a torn achilles...

Even Bob Meyers in between sniffles said it is an achilles injiry but they do not know the extent

It could be a partial tear in which case he may need surgery or he may be able to allow it to grow back on its own while wearing a boot for awhile. That's the only complication I believe that could be responsible for such a delay. Otherwise a full tear is would be very obvious and unless he didn't get the scan yesterday as reported or he or the Warriors are withholding the information, I don't see why we've heard nothing.
That is whatnis giving me hope it is only partial  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 12:43 pm : link
because you would think by now chris haynes or shams or woj would have tweeted the results
Isnít partial almost worse  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2019 12:52 pm : link
Because eventually it will just tear but they donít know when
Anyone read this SI article on Rich Paul?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 1:32 pm : link
Interesting.
I haven't read the entire thread  
arniefez : 6/12/2019 3:12 pm : link
has anyone suggested the Knicks sign Durant and only Durant and keep their other cap space and all their draft picks? With Durant sitting out most if not all of next year they could take on a one year bad contract if there were draft picks/assets attached to it.

Yes they'll stink again next year and be a high pick lottery team but is that bad? It will give them another year to see what they in their young guys and when Durant is ready to come back in 20-21 they'll have a max slot open and a lot of picks/young players to trade if they want to.
SFGFNCGiantsFan  
arniefez : 6/12/2019 3:42 pm : link
I read it. No wonder Adam Silver is out in front of gambling. The NBA is deep poop as this continues to play out.

The players can do whatever they want to make the most money. It's still a free country for really rich people. But they're basically ending the "sport" part of the NBA.

Comparing NBA players conspiring to play together and run teams instead of owners, coaches and GM's to billionaire CEO's sitting around figuring out how to keep the 1% money train rolling is apples and oranges.

RE: I haven't read the entire thread  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14470581 arniefez said:
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has anyone suggested the Knicks sign Durant and only Durant and keep their other cap space and all their draft picks? With Durant sitting out most if not all of next year they could take on a one year bad contract if there were draft picks/assets attached to it.

Yes they'll stink again next year and be a high pick lottery team but is that bad? It will give them another year to see what they in their young guys and when Durant is ready to come back in 20-21 they'll have a max slot open and a lot of picks/young players to trade if they want to.

A lot of people have. Seems to be the path most are in favor of.
Durant  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 4:01 pm : link
fully ruptured achilles already had surgery
Lakers  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
and Celtics in talks with NO regarding Davis per Woj
Lakers  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 4:34 pm : link
have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein
RE: Lakers  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/12/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14470609 DanMetroMan said:
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and Celtics in talks with NO regarding Davis per Woj


How does a post-trade Celtics team look with no Tatum?

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford??????

Is the bench Ojeleye, Yabusele, and ??????
RE: Lakers  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/12/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14470622 DanMetroMan said:
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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein


Zion and 2 guys who can't hit a jumper or free throw?
Predictable offer from LA.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 4:42 pm : link
They have what they have at this point. Lebron and....
That Lakers offer is a joke  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 4:47 pm : link
That number 4 pick is miles apart from picks 1-3 this year.

What team wants Lonzo Ball?
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DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 4:49 pm : link
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One player that the Lakersí trade discussions with the Pelicans for Anthony Davis could hinge on? Kyle Kuzma. The Lakers do not want to trade him, but the Pelicans want him as part of a package, sources tell me and @BA_Turner.
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threeofakind33 : 6/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
That sounds pretty implausible.

Kuzma excels in isolation, and is otherwise not a good basketball player. Awful perimeter defense.
RE: it'll feel like another eternity  
adamg : 6/12/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14470362 bigbluehoya said:
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but NYK need to play the long game, IMO. one more year of patience.

Sign Durant to the max now.
Draft RJB
Take on bad contracts that expire after next season in exchange for commensurate draft assets.

Develop players.

Sign AD after next season.


This is exactly what I would be planning to do if I were Perry. Could even take on a big expiring contract for a second rounder or two with the space we're saving for AD.
I wonder how much the Celtics are really in it.  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 5:11 pm : link
Woj has been Griffin's mouthpiece all along and it seems suspect to me that so much would come out about the Lakers offer but nothing about the Celtics. Also seems quite convenient that the Celtics are deep in there when it seems there are no longer any other serious suitors. But if you're Griffin the Celtics are who you want in there to drive up the price on LA.
If Lakers give up all those assets for Davis  
ryanmkeane : 6/12/2019 5:13 pm : link
and then lose him in FA, that would be an utter disaster. There's no way that he wouldn't re-sign with LA if they gave him the most money. I think Knicks can say goodbye to Davis if he gets traded to LA, and that's fine.
#4 pick  
ryanmkeane : 6/12/2019 5:14 pm : link
Ball and Ingram is a decent deal, probably the best deal they are going to get. They are going to lose Davis for nothing, might as well take the offer if that's the best they get.
RE: I wonder how much the Celtics are really in it.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14470637 Strahan91 said:
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Woj has been Griffin's mouthpiece all along and it seems suspect to me that so much would come out about the Lakers offer but nothing about the Celtics. Also seems quite convenient that the Celtics are deep in there when it seems there are no longer any other serious suitors. But if you're Griffin the Celtics are who you want in there to drive up the price on LA.

Yeah, that's a good point - this may be Griffin's play to get Kuzma thrown in. Another theory is Boston may believe KD's injury opens the door to Kyrie staying in Boston with AD (now that he can't team up with KD in NY/Brooklyn).
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DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 5:16 pm : link
The Los Angeles Lakers have offered Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball and the No. 4 overall selection in trade talks with the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, according to sources that spoke with Marc Stein of the New York Times.

The Pelicans are seeking a multi-team trade scenario in order to acquire their preferred combination of assets.

The Lakers moved up in last month's lottery to have the No. 4 overall pick. According to ESPN, the Lakers and Pelicans have been trying to route the No. 4 pick to another team in exchange for a high-level player.

Sources tell Tania Ganguli and Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times that the Lakers are attempting to keep Kyle Kuzma out of trade talks.
that lakers package sux....  
Italianju : 6/12/2019 5:19 pm : link
ball is an average basketball player who was picked high. Ingram has crazy upside but is very unlikely to hit it. And your already up to the QO time for ingram after this season. 4th pick is ehh in this draft. Even with kuzma i didnt love LA's package but without him? Its a joke.
Laker Deal  
Pete44 : 6/12/2019 5:20 pm : link
The Laker deal is eh, but the best they are going to get and they should take it. They should take the #4 pick instead of Kuzma. I don't know why Kuzma gets so much love, he is sort of one dimensional.

Zion
Ball
Holiday
Ingram
Okafor/Randle
#4 Pick

It is not a bad team for NOLA post AD.

I understand the Knicks wanting to avoid a Melo situation and to be honest, I want to keep RJ Barrett.

Serious question.  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 5:32 pm : link
What's the evidence that Griffin is a good gm? Seems like something the media talks about quite a bit and there's a belief that he's some great GM but he didn't do anything of note I can remember with the Cavs. He was part of the FO that drafted Bennett #1, won the lottery an got Kyrie and Lebron almost certainly made the Wiggins for Love deal.
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DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 5:33 pm : link
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Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewisí sources
RE: Lakers  
Anakim : 6/12/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14470622 DanMetroMan said:
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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein


I'm sorry, but I think the Knicks can do better. Hell, I think the Pelicans can do better.
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Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14470650 DanMetroMan said:
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Marc Berman


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Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewisí sources

Oh Berman. So dumb yet thinks he's brilliant. Also, Jay Williams said this Tuesday morning on ESPN, is that Brian Lewis' source?
in the other thread..  
Italianju : 6/12/2019 5:38 pm : link
it was stated that the doc referenced perform durants last foot surgery so of course he went back to him.
Kyrie ditches agent  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 8:36 pm : link
and signs with ROC Nation.
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nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:39 pm : link
Sign Russell, durant and deandre...
Too much risk with KD  
xman : 6/12/2019 10:30 pm : link
frustrating as it is after months of counting our chickens before they hatched.

Back to the drawing board. If they go after Kemba with a max then aren't these the same old Knicks that specialize in losing.

Looks like next year isn't going to be as big a turnaround as hoped. Pray for our pick to be a stud and Knox, DSJ and Robinson to improve by leaps and bounds
So does Kyrie going with RocNation cement his signing with the Nets?  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/12/2019 10:54 pm : link
Did Jay Z promise to produce 10 more Uncle Drew movies or something?

RE: Lakers  
djm : 6/12/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14470622 DanMetroMan said:
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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein


Garbage offer.
I dont think the ROC nation thing makes it anymore or less..  
Italianju : 6/13/2019 7:54 am : link
likely he is going to BKN. They have to be the favorite at the moment. At this point im fine with it. And im one of the few who seem to really like Kyrie. But kyrie by himself isnt going to do it for us. It makes us a battle for the 8th seed kind of team (pending the growth of the kids). I mean if we get him ill be thrilled cause it will make us better and more attractive to future FA but if he goes to BKN im not going to lose any sleep over it.
RE: I dont think the ROC nation thing makes it anymore or less..  
Mike in NJ : 6/13/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14470931 Italianju said:
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likely he is going to BKN. They have to be the favorite at the moment. At this point im fine with it. And im one of the few who seem to really like Kyrie. But kyrie by himself isnt going to do it for us. It makes us a battle for the 8th seed kind of team (pending the growth of the kids). I mean if we get him ill be thrilled cause it will make us better and more attractive to future FA but if he goes to BKN im not going to lose any sleep over it.


If Kyrie does go to Brooklyn I really hope the Knicks are in on Russell. Still only 23 years old and coming off of an All-Star season, he would be such a good fit next to all of our young guys. If he is available, he would be my top target outside of Kawhi.
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