NFT: Knicks "likely" to pursue Kemba

Any takers?

they will sign a 2nd max next to durant, bring back deandre and sign vets to fill out the roster, maybe melo..

They will expect the max player, deandre and the vets to hold down the fort until durant returns and then make a run

Once he was named to the All-NBA team and locked in the super-max deal, he would be crazy not to take that assuming the Hornets offer it to him.

draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow.

In comment 14470131 Stu11 said:

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draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow.

I think this is maybe a 45 win team but on a totally irrational level, I'd love it. I love Boogie and Kemba. They are two of my favorites in the league. That team would be fun to watch in February and get exposed in May.

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In comment 14470131 Stu11 said: Quote: draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow. I think this is maybe a 45 win team but on a totally irrational level, I'd love it. I love Boogie and Kemba. They are two of my favorites in the league. That team would be fun to watch in February and get exposed in May.

Like I said its a 45 win team right now. Unlike other plans in the past it has serious space to grow with Barrett, the other young guys and future #1's. Or we'd still have the assets to deal for another star as we go forward.

use the space to get draft picks and bad contracts. Kemba is good, but he's not a transcendent player. He got Charlotte to a sub-500 record. Need more than that.

I have no idea if Boogie wants to come to NY, but you can make the case that Boogie + assets is better for the Knicks than AD - assets.

As long as year 4 had some sort of injury clause. I would not have him play a single game next season. Let him rehab for 18 months and come back fresh for 2020-2021 season. You get 2 maybe 3 years of hopefully 85 percent of the prior Durant which is probably still top 25 player in the league.

If you can�t get Kawhi also then you play the young guns and over pay for some vets on 1 year deals to fill the cap space. Deandre, Danny green, Beverly. Make a run at an 8 seed and if not you have another lottery pick and hopefully for for AD next offseason.

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That is a ton of money to lock in a mediocre team. Kemba is not putting them over the top and is close to 30. Sucks to let him walk but I would.

I don�t think he makes sense for the Knicks unless they are getting 2 other stars with him. Hope they don�t go this route.

Also do not give a shit that he is from the Bronx or played well in the Big East tournament a decade ago.

Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term

The Lakers are going to get Davis. Brian Windhorst hinted that the Knicks are unsure how hard they will go after him now that Durant is hurt.

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Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term

This is good news.

Am I the only Knicks fan still hoping for Anthony Davis? I don't see how our best trade offer cripples us.

The Mavs picks are great but since they're not our picks, I'm fine moving them.

I don't lose sleep over the thought of losing Robinson or Knox, even though I do think Robinson has much more potential.

It basically comes down to who would you rather have, Davis or Barrett? For me, give me the guy still in his made 20's with a bunch of all-NBA selections to his credit.

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In comment 14470181 nygiants16 said: Quote: Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term This is good news. Am I the only Knicks fan still hoping for Anthony Davis? I don't see how our best trade offer cripples us. The Mavs picks are great but since they're not our picks, I'm fine moving them. I don't lose sleep over the thought of losing Robinson or Knox, even though I do think Robinson has much more potential. It basically comes down to who would you rather have, Davis or Barrett? For me, give me the guy still in his made 20's with a bunch of all-NBA selections to his credit.

the reason i go back and forth is because if durant is your 2nd guy and you are giving up all of your youth you have to win next year...

You cant just have a free year because.you habe to make davis happy, so who do you put around him and win next year until durant comes back

Even knowing the shitty odds in the flatter lottery. If we aren�t going to get a healthy in prime Durant, don�t bother competing for the 4th or 5th seed and blowing the cap on good but not great players.

But if you're Charlotte do you feel you have to give him all of that? $221 million???

I think that's crazy. Just because they let you pay that much more than everyone else can doesn't mean you have to or should. Nice player. But he shouldn't be the highest paid player in the league.

1. draft Barrett
2. Pass on Durant, but get 1 of the "good" max contracts like Irving or Walker
3. Roll over the other max slot to 2020

worry Knicks fans, Melo has the Knicks on his short list lol

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The Lakers are going to get Davis. Brian Windhorst hinted that the Knicks are unsure how hard they will go after him now that Durant is hurt.

If I'm the Knicks GM, the ONLY way that you make that trade is if you have solid information that you can get Kawhi to sign. Given that Kawhi isn't even going to give any hints until the finals are over, that's pretty slim odds.

If you have Davis and a bunch of rookies, how is that situation any different from the one he wants out of in NO? Why would he re-up under that situation? Answer- he wouldn't. The Knicks need to pair him with a "now" star- not one who MIGHT be a star in 3-4 years.

At least in LA he would be teaming up with LeBron and filler.

1. Draft Barrett

2. Sign Durant and let him rehab the entire season.

3. Go after Kawhi or Irving. If you get neither, leave the max slot open and go with the young guns, possibly adding another lottery pick and sign Davis outright in 2020.

thing they can do is give huge money to guys like Butler

but if I had to choose give me Kemba any day. At least he has a reputation as a good guy and fills a huge need. Knicks don't have anyone nearly as good as Butler, but they do have some decent wings that could turn into something.

With KD going out. Develop the youth. I'd pass on KD and Davis.

but it always brings a smile to my face the Celtics get bad news. Losing Kyrie, AD wants no part of them, no more top five picks on a silver platter courtesy of the Nets trade - let's see if Red Stevens, I mean Brad Wooden, I mean Brad Stevens really is a genius.

Sign KD & Kembra & go get AD.

Kemba.

He warned everybody. There will be no extension with any team before AD hits free agency in 2020. Give away your assets at your risk.

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Get ready for another year of it, because Paul says Davis won�t be signing an extension anywhere this summer. �Where he�s going to land? I have no idea,� Paul says. �And it don�t matter. We�re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We�re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can�t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.�

rich to earth - ( New Window )

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Sign KD & Kembra & go get AD.

I�m in this camp too. This is an incredibly rare opportunity to acquire elite talent. And honestly I�m not really worried about giving up the picks or players the Knicks currently have.

Well,that should tell you everything you need to know

The Knicks do that deal..fire everyone on the spot.

Why?

didn't do well in the Big East Tournament in The Garden, and weren't from The Bronx, would Knicks fans be as excited about giving him a max contract as many seem to be?

I don't watch Charlotte as often as other teams, but Kemba struck me as a high-usage, good but inefficient scorer wan undersized which left him to be exploited on the defensive end. In other words, a good playerl But if a team is paying him supermax money, and the same amount teams are paying guys like Curry, Davis, LeBron, Kawhi, etc., they are putting themselves behind the 8-ball in terms of building a championship team.

should chill on Davis and just try to sign him as a free agent in 2020. Keep the picks and the young talent they would otherwise give away for a year rental in a year when they wouldn't be competing for a championship anyway.

He could make up the difference between the Charlotte super max and a Knicks contract over time. He is a genuine New York kid, a natural pitch man. Tiki without the baggage. In New York he could end up in Michael Strahan territory. In Charlotte he falls off the face of the earth.

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didn't do well in the Big East Tournament in The Garden, and weren't from The Bronx, would Knicks fans be as excited about giving him a max contract as many seem to be? I don't watch Charlotte as often as other teams, but Kemba struck me as a high-usage, good but inefficient scorer wan undersized which left him to be exploited on the defensive end. In other words, a good playerl But if a team is paying him supermax money, and the same amount teams are paying guys like Curry, Davis, LeBron, Kawhi, etc., they are putting themselves behind the 8-ball in terms of building a championship team.

Agree with this. Hold fast, draft Barrett and let him develop into Kemba or better over the next few years.

The Knicks have sucked for 20 years, but have finally started to plan well with cap space and picks. Let�s not rush to blow the whole wad all at once of the right players aren�t available this offseason.

up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.

but NYK need to play the long game, IMO. one more year of patience.

Sign Durant to the max now.
Draft RJB
Take on bad contracts that expire after next season in exchange for commensurate draft assets.

Develop players.

Sign AD after next season.

but he�s not a max, franchise star. I realize that players like him get max contracts all the time, but I wouldn�t pull the trigger on that. That said I want him to be a Knick so I can watch him play more (and it might actually get me to a game).

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up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.

The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.

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In comment 14470356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots. The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.

If the Lakers don't land him in a trade though then they may use their cap space elsewhere. Lebron will be 35 in December. What if he declines or has another injury-riddled season? A lot can happen in a year. Hopefully AD goes someplace besides the Lakers. Then I think we'll have a shot.

In comment 14470368 shyster said:

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In comment 14470356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots. The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.

If you take Paul's comments at face value, this is incorrect. He warns the Celtics but his comments regarding the Knicks are nothing of the sort.

is not a deterrent, but I'd steer as far away from Rich Paul as possible if I had a choice.

In comment 14470380 Jon in NYC said:

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is not a deterrent, but I'd steer as far away from Rich Paul as possible if I had a choice.

I'd should say not a dealbreaker. But he seems like a culture killer.

In comment 14470320 shyster said:

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He warned everybody. There will be no extension with any team before AD hits free agency in 2020. Give away your assets at your risk. Quote: Get ready for another year of it, because Paul says Davis won�t be signing an extension anywhere this summer. �Where he�s going to land? I have no idea,� Paul says. �And it don�t matter. We�re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We�re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can�t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.� rich to earth - ( New Window )

One more HUGE reason NOT to trade for AD!!!

says the Knicks intend to still go after Durant if he opts out.

If Davis is traded, can the acquiring team offer AD more money/years in a new contract? Or would it be even steven for any team looking to sign him after next season?

he's leaving teams little choice.

You'd have to stay away if those are his comments.

Draft Barrett and sit tight.

The only question is whether or not you pursue KD. I would probably pass on that now as well.

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he's leaving teams little choice. You'd have to stay away if those are his comments. Draft Barrett and sit tight. The only question is whether or not you pursue KD. I would probably pass on that now as well.

The Pelican's can't bee too happy about those comments. Certainly kills their leverage and likely minimizes their return for AD. The NBA is a joke.

At this point, it makes the most sense to pursue Durant, assume he will not play at all the first year and just rehab, draft Barrett, use another year on development/get another lotto pick, and then try to win in 2020-21 - sign Davis then as a FA. Forget trading for him.

If he really wants him out of New Orleans, why make these type of statements?

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He could make up the difference between the Charlotte super max and a Knicks contract over time. He is a genuine New York kid, a natural pitch man. Tiki without the baggage. In New York he could end up in Michael Strahan territory. In Charlotte he falls off the face of the earth.

That's a lot of smiling. He's not getting a bronze statue outside the garden if the Knicks are as good as Charlotte. This fan base has been telling itself New York has this huge leg up in that department, ignoring the state taxes and the difficulty of elevating a bottom feeder franchise.

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If the Lakers don't land him in a trade though then they may use their cap space elsewhere. Lebron will be 35 in December. What if he declines or has another injury-riddled season? A lot can happen in a year. Hopefully AD goes someplace besides the Lakers. Then I think we'll have a shot.

I agree with all this as far as it goes and I'd love for NYK to go after AD as a free agent next year.

But the "lot can happen in one year" point argues against the trade path because there is no way to know how attractive the Knicks are going to look to AD a year from now.

with either team.

What's the point now? Let him stay in New Orleans another year.

Knicks play this right, they'll enter the 2020-2021 season with:

DeAndre
Knox
Durant
Barrett
DSJ

Frank
Trier
Mitch
Dotson
Likely lottery pick

PLUS a full max (AD?)
PLUS 4 more firsts in the next two years

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with either team. What's the point now? Let him stay in New Orleans another year.

Haven't followed it closely but is it possible NO feels they are past the point of no return and will deal him no matter what? Any chance that tilts the trade needle in favor of the buyer(s)?

What has David Griffin every done that the media treats him like he is this great GM?

It's not like he recruited Lebron James back to Cleveland, that had nothing to do with Griffin or any other front office member of the Cavs. He then made the no brainer move of trading the #1 overall pick+ for Kevin Love to pair with Lebron and Kyrie.

He hired David Blatt and then fired him 2 years later to bring in Lebron's lackey Ty Lue, he traded 2 first round picks for Timofey Mozgov, gave big contracts to JR Smith and Tristan Thompson, sold low on Dion Waiters and Joe Harris...are these good moves?

Now the guy lucks into Zion Williamson, I dunno, maybe there is so great transaction in there that I am missing.

MRI negative

So, all the weeping can stop

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MRI negative So, all the weeping can stop

Wut

on Woj's twitter. I fell for it.

The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it)

Taking an awfully long time to announce the diagnosis.

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The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it)

But that is the weird part it should not take this long to announce it is a torn achilles...

Even Bob Meyers in between sniffles said it is an achilles injiry but they do not know the extent

In comment 14470436 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14470429 Strahan91 said: Quote: The only thing that could happen that would be positive is that it's a partial tear. You don't need an MRI to tell you that an achilles is torn, just if it's partially or fully torn (and even then you usually have a pretty good idea without it) But that is the weird part it should not take this long to announce it is a torn achilles... Even Bob Meyers in between sniffles said it is an achilles injiry but they do not know the extent

It could be a partial tear in which case he may need surgery or he may be able to allow it to grow back on its own while wearing a boot for awhile. That's the only complication I believe that could be responsible for such a delay. Otherwise a full tear is would be very obvious and unless he didn't get the scan yesterday as reported or he or the Warriors are withholding the information, I don't see why we've heard nothing.

because you would think by now chris haynes or shams or woj would have tweeted the results

Because eventually it will just tear but they don�t know when

Interesting.

has anyone suggested the Knicks sign Durant and only Durant and keep their other cap space and all their draft picks? With Durant sitting out most if not all of next year they could take on a one year bad contract if there were draft picks/assets attached to it.

Yes they'll stink again next year and be a high pick lottery team but is that bad? It will give them another year to see what they in their young guys and when Durant is ready to come back in 20-21 they'll have a max slot open and a lot of picks/young players to trade if they want to.

I read it. No wonder Adam Silver is out in front of gambling. The NBA is deep poop as this continues to play out.

The players can do whatever they want to make the most money. It's still a free country for really rich people. But they're basically ending the "sport" part of the NBA.

Comparing NBA players conspiring to play together and run teams instead of owners, coaches and GM's to billionaire CEO's sitting around figuring out how to keep the 1% money train rolling is apples and oranges.

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has anyone suggested the Knicks sign Durant and only Durant and keep their other cap space and all their draft picks? With Durant sitting out most if not all of next year they could take on a one year bad contract if there were draft picks/assets attached to it. Yes they'll stink again next year and be a high pick lottery team but is that bad? It will give them another year to see what they in their young guys and when Durant is ready to come back in 20-21 they'll have a max slot open and a lot of picks/young players to trade if they want to.

A lot of people have. Seems to be the path most are in favor of.

fully ruptured achilles already had surgery

and Celtics in talks with NO regarding Davis per Woj

have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein

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and Celtics in talks with NO regarding Davis per Woj

How does a post-trade Celtics team look with no Tatum?

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford??????

Is the bench Ojeleye, Yabusele, and ??????

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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein

Zion and 2 guys who can't hit a jumper or free throw?

They have what they have at this point. Lebron and....

That number 4 pick is miles apart from picks 1-3 this year.

What team wants Lonzo Ball?

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One player that the Lakers� trade discussions with the Pelicans for Anthony Davis could hinge on? Kyle Kuzma. The Lakers do not want to trade him, but the Pelicans want him as part of a package, sources tell me and @BA_Turner.

That sounds pretty implausible.

Kuzma excels in isolation, and is otherwise not a good basketball player. Awful perimeter defense.

In comment 14470362 bigbluehoya said:

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but NYK need to play the long game, IMO. one more year of patience. Sign Durant to the max now. Draft RJB Take on bad contracts that expire after next season in exchange for commensurate draft assets. Develop players. Sign AD after next season.

This is exactly what I would be planning to do if I were Perry. Could even take on a big expiring contract for a second rounder or two with the space we're saving for AD.

Woj has been Griffin's mouthpiece all along and it seems suspect to me that so much would come out about the Lakers offer but nothing about the Celtics. Also seems quite convenient that the Celtics are deep in there when it seems there are no longer any other serious suitors. But if you're Griffin the Celtics are who you want in there to drive up the price on LA.

and then lose him in FA, that would be an utter disaster. There's no way that he wouldn't re-sign with LA if they gave him the most money. I think Knicks can say goodbye to Davis if he gets traded to LA, and that's fine.

Ball and Ingram is a decent deal, probably the best deal they are going to get. They are going to lose Davis for nothing, might as well take the offer if that's the best they get.

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Woj has been Griffin's mouthpiece all along and it seems suspect to me that so much would come out about the Lakers offer but nothing about the Celtics. Also seems quite convenient that the Celtics are deep in there when it seems there are no longer any other serious suitors. But if you're Griffin the Celtics are who you want in there to drive up the price on LA.

Yeah, that's a good point - this may be Griffin's play to get Kuzma thrown in. Another theory is Boston may believe KD's injury opens the door to Kyrie staying in Boston with AD (now that he can't team up with KD in NY/Brooklyn).

The Los Angeles Lakers have offered Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball and the No. 4 overall selection in trade talks with the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, according to sources that spoke with Marc Stein of the New York Times.

The Pelicans are seeking a multi-team trade scenario in order to acquire their preferred combination of assets.

The Lakers moved up in last month's lottery to have the No. 4 overall pick. According to ESPN, the Lakers and Pelicans have been trying to route the No. 4 pick to another team in exchange for a high-level player.

Sources tell Tania Ganguli and Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times that the Lakers are attempting to keep Kyle Kuzma out of trade talks.

ball is an average basketball player who was picked high. Ingram has crazy upside but is very unlikely to hit it. And your already up to the QO time for ingram after this season. 4th pick is ehh in this draft. Even with kuzma i didnt love LA's package but without him? Its a joke.

The Laker deal is eh, but the best they are going to get and they should take it. They should take the #4 pick instead of Kuzma. I don't know why Kuzma gets so much love, he is sort of one dimensional.

Zion
Ball
Holiday
Ingram
Okafor/Randle
#4 Pick

It is not a bad team for NOLA post AD.

I understand the Knicks wanting to avoid a Melo situation and to be honest, I want to keep RJ Barrett.

What's the evidence that Griffin is a good gm? Seems like something the media talks about quite a bit and there's a belief that he's some great GM but he didn't do anything of note I can remember with the Cavs. He was part of the FO that drafted Bennett #1, won the lottery an got Kyrie and Lebron almost certainly made the Wiggins for Love deal.

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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein

I'm sorry, but I think the Knicks can do better. Hell, I think the Pelicans can do better.

In comment 14470650 DanMetroMan said:

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Marc Berman ‏ @NYPost_Berman 5h5 hours ago More Updated: #Knicks still ready to make push for Kevin Durant signing. But KD was in New York planning to visit specialist who doubles as #Nets doctor, per Brian Lewis� sources

Oh Berman. So dumb yet thinks he's brilliant. Also, Jay Williams said this Tuesday morning on ESPN, is that Brian Lewis' source?

it was stated that the doc referenced perform durants last foot surgery so of course he went back to him.

and signs with ROC Nation.

Sign Russell, durant and deandre...

frustrating as it is after months of counting our chickens before they hatched.

Back to the drawing board. If they go after Kemba with a max then aren't these the same old Knicks that specialize in losing.

Looks like next year isn't going to be as big a turnaround as hoped. Pray for our pick to be a stud and Knox, DSJ and Robinson to improve by leaps and bounds

Did Jay Z promise to produce 10 more Uncle Drew movies or something?

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have offered Ingram, Lonzo and #4 overall for AD per Stein

Garbage offer.

likely he is going to BKN. They have to be the favorite at the moment. At this point im fine with it. And im one of the few who seem to really like Kyrie. But kyrie by himself isnt going to do it for us. It makes us a battle for the 8th seed kind of team (pending the growth of the kids). I mean if we get him ill be thrilled cause it will make us better and more attractive to future FA but if he goes to BKN im not going to lose any sleep over it.

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likely he is going to BKN. They have to be the favorite at the moment. At this point im fine with it. And im one of the few who seem to really like Kyrie. But kyrie by himself isnt going to do it for us. It makes us a battle for the 8th seed kind of team (pending the growth of the kids). I mean if we get him ill be thrilled cause it will make us better and more attractive to future FA but if he goes to BKN im not going to lose any sleep over it.

If Kyrie does go to Brooklyn I really hope the Knicks are in on Russell. Still only 23 years old and coming off of an All-Star season, he would be such a good fit next to all of our young guys. If he is available, he would be my top target outside of Kawhi.