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NFT: Knicks "likely" to pursue Kemba

DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 8:13 am
ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski mentioned the Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks as the three teams most likely to pursue Kemba Walker in free agency.
The Hornets are still the favorite to keep Walker, as the point guard said back in early June that re-signing with the team is his "first priority." The Hornets also have a huge advantage over other teams, as they have the ability to offer him a five-year, $221 million deal -- rival teams can only offer four-year deals worth up to $140 million. If the Hornets end up losing their franchise player, they will have no choice but to rebuild from the ground up.

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Kemba + AD + some additional cap space  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 8:23 am : link
Any takers?
Knicks will not tank next year with or without durant  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 8:23 am : link
they will sign a 2nd max next to durant, bring back deandre and sign vets to fill out the roster, maybe melo..

They will expect the max player, deandre and the vets to hold down the fort until durant returns and then make a run
I don't see Kemba leaving Charlotte  
debo_GIANTS : 6/12/2019 8:24 am : link
Once he was named to the All-NBA team and locked in the super-max deal, he would be crazy not to take that assuming the Hornets offer it to him.
I'd do Kemba and Cousins  
Stu11 : 6/12/2019 8:29 am : link
draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow.
RE: I'd do Kemba and Cousins  
Heisenberg : 6/12/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14470131 Stu11 said:
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draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow.


I think this is maybe a 45 win team but on a totally irrational level, I'd love it. I love Boogie and Kemba. They are two of my favorites in the league. That team would be fun to watch in February and get exposed in May.
RE: RE: I'd do Kemba and Cousins  
Stu11 : 6/12/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14470143 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 14470131 Stu11 said:


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draft Barrett and keep the assets for further use to grow.



I think this is maybe a 45 win team but on a totally irrational level, I'd love it. I love Boogie and Kemba. They are two of my favorites in the league. That team would be fun to watch in February and get exposed in May.

Like I said its a 45 win team right now. Unlike other plans in the past it has serious space to grow with Barrett, the other young guys and future #1's. Or we'd still have the assets to deal for another star as we go forward.
At this point...  
Jan in DC : 6/12/2019 8:46 am : link
use the space to get draft picks and bad contracts. Kemba is good, but he's not a transcendent player. He got Charlotte to a sub-500 record. Need more than that.
Yeah, I agree with that,  
Heisenberg : 6/12/2019 8:49 am : link
I have no idea if Boogie wants to come to NY, but you can make the case that Boogie + assets is better for the Knicks than AD - assets.
I would do Durant signing  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2019 8:55 am : link
As long as year 4 had some sort of injury clause. I would not have him play a single game next season. Let him rehab for 18 months and come back fresh for 2020-2021 season. You get 2 maybe 3 years of hopefully 85 percent of the prior Durant which is probably still top 25 player in the league.

If you can’t get Kawhi also then you play the young guns and over pay for some vets on 1 year deals to fill the cap space. Deandre, Danny green, Beverly. Make a run at an 8 seed and if not you have another lottery pick and hopefully for for AD next offseason.
this is all so terribly depressing  
Greg from LI : 6/12/2019 9:05 am : link
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I think Charlotte would be nuts to offer Kemba the supermax  
Oscar : 6/12/2019 9:06 am : link
That is a ton of money to lock in a mediocre team. Kemba is not putting them over the top and is close to 30. Sucks to let him walk but I would.

I don’t think he makes sense for the Knicks unless they are getting 2 other stars with him. Hope they don’t go this route.

Also do not give a shit that he is from the Bronx or played well in the Big East tournament a decade ago.
In other news  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 9:07 am : link
Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term
Lakers  
Pete44 : 6/12/2019 9:12 am : link
The Lakers are going to get Davis. Brian Windhorst hinted that the Knicks are unsure how hard they will go after him now that Durant is hurt.
RE: In other news  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14470181 nygiants16 said:
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Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term


This is good news.

Am I the only Knicks fan still hoping for Anthony Davis? I don't see how our best trade offer cripples us.

The Mavs picks are great but since they're not our picks, I'm fine moving them.

I don't lose sleep over the thought of losing Robinson or Knox, even though I do think Robinson has much more potential.

It basically comes down to who would you rather have, Davis or Barrett? For me, give me the guy still in his made 20's with a bunch of all-NBA selections to his credit.

RE: RE: In other news  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14470194 Chris684 said:
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In comment 14470181 nygiants16 said:


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Rich Paul says the celtics can trade for Davis if they want but it will be a rental they have no interest in signing lpng term



This is good news.

Am I the only Knicks fan still hoping for Anthony Davis? I don't see how our best trade offer cripples us.

The Mavs picks are great but since they're not our picks, I'm fine moving them.

I don't lose sleep over the thought of losing Robinson or Knox, even though I do think Robinson has much more potential.

It basically comes down to who would you rather have, Davis or Barrett? For me, give me the guy still in his made 20's with a bunch of all-NBA selections to his credit.


the reason i go back and forth is because if durant is your 2nd guy and you are giving up all of your youth you have to win next year...

You cant just have a free year because.you habe to make davis happy, so who do you put around him and win next year until durant comes back
I’d rather tank again  
Dave in PA : 6/12/2019 9:28 am : link
Even knowing the shitty odds in the flatter lottery. If we aren’t going to get a healthy in prime Durant, don’t bother competing for the 4th or 5th seed and blowing the cap on good but not great players.
I know Kemba qualifies for the Super Max ...  
Csonka : 6/12/2019 9:29 am : link
But if you're Charlotte do you feel you have to give him all of that? $221 million???

I think that's crazy. Just because they let you pay that much more than everyone else can doesn't mean you have to or should. Nice player. But he shouldn't be the highest paid player in the league.
I think most Knicks fans would be fine this outcome...  
ryanmkeane : 6/12/2019 9:32 am : link
1. draft Barrett
2. Pass on Durant, but get 1 of the "good" max contracts like Irving or Walker
3. Roll over the other max slot to 2020
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 9:44 am : link
worry Knicks fans, Melo has the Knicks on his short list lol
RE: Lakers  
rich in DC : 6/12/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14470186 Pete44 said:
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The Lakers are going to get Davis. Brian Windhorst hinted that the Knicks are unsure how hard they will go after him now that Durant is hurt.


If I'm the Knicks GM, the ONLY way that you make that trade is if you have solid information that you can get Kawhi to sign. Given that Kawhi isn't even going to give any hints until the finals are over, that's pretty slim odds.

If you have Davis and a bunch of rookies, how is that situation any different from the one he wants out of in NO? Why would he re-up under that situation? Answer- he wouldn't. The Knicks need to pair him with a "now" star- not one who MIGHT be a star in 3-4 years.

At least in LA he would be teaming up with LeBron and filler.
I'd roll with this  
sjnyfan : 6/12/2019 9:57 am : link
1. Draft Barrett

2. Sign Durant and let him rehab the entire season.

3. Go after Kawhi or Irving. If you get neither, leave the max slot open and go with the young guns, possibly adding another lottery pick and sign Davis outright in 2020.
Worst  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 10:07 am : link
thing they can do is give huge money to guys like Butler
not thrilled with the Kemba/Butler types  
Enzo : 6/12/2019 10:12 am : link
but if I had to choose give me Kemba any day. At least he has a reputation as a good guy and fills a huge need. Knicks don't have anyone nearly as good as Butler, but they do have some decent wings that could turn into something.
Meh.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/12/2019 10:14 am : link
With KD going out. Develop the youth. I'd pass on KD and Davis.
It's been a depressing 48 hours for me regarding the Knicks/Durant  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2019 10:19 am : link
but it always brings a smile to my face the Celtics get bad news. Losing Kyrie, AD wants no part of them, no more top five picks on a silver platter courtesy of the Nets trade - let's see if Red Stevens, I mean Brad Wooden, I mean Brad Stevens really is a genius.
F*ck it.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 10:21 am : link
Sign KD & Kembra & go get AD.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/12/2019 10:21 am : link
Kemba.
Rich Paul didn't just warn the Celtics  
shyster : 6/12/2019 11:03 am : link
He warned everybody. There will be no extension with any team before AD hits free agency in 2020. Give away your assets at your risk.

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Get ready for another year of it, because Paul says Davis won’t be signing an extension anywhere this summer.

“Where he’s going to land? I have no idea,” Paul says. “And it don’t matter. We’re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We’re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can’t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.”

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RE: F*ck it.  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14470265 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sign KD & Kembra & go get AD.


I’m in this camp too. This is an incredibly rare opportunity to acquire elite talent. And honestly I’m not really worried about giving up the picks or players the Knicks currently have.
Rich Paul comments  
ghost718 : 6/12/2019 11:14 am : link
Well,that should tell you everything you need to know

The Knicks do that deal..fire everyone on the spot.
29-year-old Kemba Walker?  
81_Great_Dane : 6/12/2019 11:17 am : link
Why?
if Kemba didn't play for UConn  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/12/2019 11:18 am : link
didn't do well in the Big East Tournament in The Garden, and weren't from The Bronx, would Knicks fans be as excited about giving him a max contract as many seem to be?

I don't watch Charlotte as often as other teams, but Kemba struck me as a high-usage, good but inefficient scorer wan undersized which left him to be exploited on the defensive end. In other words, a good playerl But if a team is paying him supermax money, and the same amount teams are paying guys like Curry, Davis, LeBron, Kawhi, etc., they are putting themselves behind the 8-ball in terms of building a championship team.
the Knicks  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/12/2019 11:19 am : link
should chill on Davis and just try to sign him as a free agent in 2020. Keep the picks and the young talent they would otherwise give away for a year rental in a year when they wouldn't be competing for a championship anyway.
Can't get any more blunt than this:  
Anakim : 6/12/2019 11:20 am : link
With Kemba's personality and smile  
since1925 : 6/12/2019 11:24 am : link
He could make up the difference between the Charlotte super max and a Knicks contract over time. He is a genuine New York kid, a natural pitch man. Tiki without the baggage. In New York he could end up in Michael Strahan territory. In Charlotte he falls off the face of the earth.
RE: if Kemba didn't play for UConn  
mfsd : 6/12/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14470334 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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didn't do well in the Big East Tournament in The Garden, and weren't from The Bronx, would Knicks fans be as excited about giving him a max contract as many seem to be?

I don't watch Charlotte as often as other teams, but Kemba struck me as a high-usage, good but inefficient scorer wan undersized which left him to be exploited on the defensive end. In other words, a good playerl But if a team is paying him supermax money, and the same amount teams are paying guys like Curry, Davis, LeBron, Kawhi, etc., they are putting themselves behind the 8-ball in terms of building a championship team.


Agree with this. Hold fast, draft Barrett and let him develop into Kemba or better over the next few years.

The Knicks have sucked for 20 years, but have finally started to plan well with cap space and picks. Let’s not rush to blow the whole wad all at once of the right players aren’t available this offseason.
Paul talked  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 11:27 am : link
up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.
it'll feel like another eternity  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2019 11:32 am : link
but NYK need to play the long game, IMO. one more year of patience.

Sign Durant to the max now.
Draft RJB
Take on bad contracts that expire after next season in exchange for commensurate draft assets.

Develop players.

Sign AD after next season.
Love Kemba  
UConn4523 : 6/12/2019 11:34 am : link
but he’s not a max, franchise star. I realize that players like him get max contracts all the time, but I wouldn’t pull the trigger on that. That said I want him to be a Knick so I can watch him play more (and it might actually get me to a game).
RE: Paul talked  
shyster : 6/12/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14470356 DanMetroMan said:
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up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.


The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.
RE: RE: Paul talked  
Strahan91 : 6/12/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14470368 shyster said:
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In comment 14470356 DanMetroMan said:


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up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.



The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.

If the Lakers don't land him in a trade though then they may use their cap space elsewhere. Lebron will be 35 in December. What if he declines or has another injury-riddled season? A lot can happen in a year. Hopefully AD goes someplace besides the Lakers. Then I think we'll have a shot.
RE: RE: Paul talked  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14470368 shyster said:
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In comment 14470356 DanMetroMan said:


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up the Lakers, and to a lesser extent (but still praise) for the Knicks. Clearly wants him to land in one of those 2 spots.



The Lakers were AD's preference in February. If he uses his free agency to go to his first preference, as Paul is warning, there won't be a practical difference between being his second preference or his 32nd.


If you take Paul's comments at face value, this is incorrect. He warns the Celtics but his comments regarding the Knicks are nothing of the sort.
This  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 11:48 am : link
is not a deterrent, but I'd steer as far away from Rich Paul as possible if I had a choice.
RE: This  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14470380 Jon in NYC said:
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is not a deterrent, but I'd steer as far away from Rich Paul as possible if I had a choice.


I'd should say not a dealbreaker. But he seems like a culture killer.
RE: Rich Paul didn't just warn the Celtics  
gmenatlarge : 6/12/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14470320 shyster said:
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He warned everybody. There will be no extension with any team before AD hits free agency in 2020. Give away your assets at your risk.



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Get ready for another year of it, because Paul says Davis won’t be signing an extension anywhere this summer.

“Where he’s going to land? I have no idea,” Paul says. “And it don’t matter. We’re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We’re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can’t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.”

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One more HUGE reason NOT to trade for AD!!!
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2019 11:54 am : link
says the Knicks intend to still go after Durant if he opts out.
AD  
PhiPsi125 : 6/12/2019 12:08 pm : link
If Davis is traded, can the acquiring team offer AD more money/years in a new contract? Or would it be even steven for any team looking to sign him after next season?
If that's what Davis's agent is saying then  
Chris684 : 6/12/2019 12:11 pm : link
he's leaving teams little choice.

You'd have to stay away if those are his comments.

Draft Barrett and sit tight.

The only question is whether or not you pursue KD. I would probably pass on that now as well.
RE: If that's what Davis's agent is saying then  
PhiPsi125 : 6/12/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14470402 Chris684 said:
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he's leaving teams little choice.

You'd have to stay away if those are his comments.

Draft Barrett and sit tight.

The only question is whether or not you pursue KD. I would probably pass on that now as well.


The Pelican's can't bee too happy about those comments. Certainly kills their leverage and likely minimizes their return for AD. The NBA is a joke.
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
At this point, it makes the most sense to pursue Durant, assume he will not play at all the first year and just rehab, draft Barrett, use another year on development/get another lotto pick, and then try to win in 2020-21 - sign Davis then as a FA. Forget trading for him.
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