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Giants minicamp Winners & Losers - from NJ.com.

Beer Man : 6/12/2019 12:47 pm
Decent summary / consolidation of a lot of what we have been reading from various sources. Really surprised to see that Love's performance has been somewhat underwhelming (his lack of speed has hurt him).
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BlueLou'sBack : 6/12/2019 12:58 pm : link
it's a Matt Lombardo piece, so you know it's first talking point has little to do with what actually occurred during these OTAs.
Beer Man  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/12/2019 1:03 pm : link
I've seen no tweets from ANY beat reporter knocking Julian Love's play at the OTAs or mini-camps.

This reeks of the writer trying to balance out his article.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/12/2019 1:04 pm : link
Same thing with Sam Beal. Deandre Baker moving ahead of him on the depth charter does not mean Beal has been a "loser."
Yeah the losers list wasn't  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/12/2019 1:16 pm : link
realistic at all.
if Love as a 4th round pick is a capable backup at both S and nickel  
Del Shofner : 6/12/2019 1:17 pm : link
in his rookie year, that's a "win" in my book. I think the thesis of winners and losers is misplaced. Also true w/r/t the injured guys - what were they supposed to do?
I guess Beal and Love  
Pete in MD : 6/12/2019 1:19 pm : link
were "losers" because Baker and Haley won and held onto first-team jobs but he also made a comment about Love's lack of speed which I hadn't heard before.
Looks like  
Jay in Toronto : 6/12/2019 1:25 pm : link
much is based on PT -- not sure that is so useful.
RE: Yeah the losers list wasn't  
Giantophile : 6/12/2019 1:26 pm : link
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realistic at all.


I agree except for Lauletta. He's toast.
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Jay on the Island : 6/12/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14470475 Eric from BBI said:
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Same thing with Sam Beal. Deandre Baker moving ahead of him on the depth charter does not mean Beal has been a "loser."

Exactly right, a talented player missed time for personal reasons and another talented player took his place and has earned the right to keep it.

Some will use this development as a knock on Beal but the truth is that Baker is just an excellent football player who deserves to keep the starting role opposite Jenkins.

Beal will see plenty of time on defense but he has a lot to work on being that he missed all of last season.
The statement...  
Ryan : 6/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
..about Love's move to S is completely inaccurate. They said right after he was drafted that they thought he could play both positions so of course they're going to give him more reps at the unfamiliar position (and one with less depth at the moment). They didn't decide after they got him on the field.
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Bill L : 6/12/2019 2:01 pm : link
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realistic at all.



I agree except for Lauletta. He's toast.


Maybe so. But in fairness, Lombardo is a dick. He couched Lauletta being a loser because of Tanney and JOnes splitting the most backup snaps without every mentioning that Lauletta was sidelined by inquiry until the last set of practices. It's like him calling Remmers a loser without the context.
Terrible article that is based mainly on opinion vs fact.  
Spider56 : 6/12/2019 2:06 pm : link
Guys are losers because they’re kept out of practice during known recoveries ... seriously ??? and it’s a bit early to pick Perkins over Gallman.... I hope for his sake Lombardo has other life skills.
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Diver_Down : 6/12/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14470486 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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realistic at all.


How can he make a "losers" list and not include himself?
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Bill L : 6/12/2019 2:11 pm : link
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realistic at all.



I agree except for Lauletta. He's toast.



Maybe so. But in fairness, Lombardo is a dick. He couched Lauletta being a loser because of Tanney and JOnes splitting the most backup snaps without every mentioning that Lauletta was sidelined by inquiry until the last set of practices. It's like him calling Remmers a loser without the context.


should be sidelined by injury. But maybe his health was questioned?
Love all the positivity on Daniel Jones.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/12/2019 2:11 pm : link
He's going to be the leader of this team soon enough. Can't wait!
RE: The statement...  
81_Great_Dane : 6/12/2019 2:42 pm : link
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..about Love's move to S is completely inaccurate. They said right after he was drafted that they thought he could play both positions so of course they're going to give him more reps at the unfamiliar position (and one with less depth at the moment). They didn't decide after they got him on the field.
It always puzzles me when sportswriters or broadcasters don't seem to know this stuff. It happens surprisingly often. We've all had those moments when we read or hear something that makes us say "Come on, do your homework. You're a pro, I'm just a fan, and I know better than that."

If he has indeed got solid information that the Giants decided Love is too slow to play cornerback then he has a very nice little scoop. Bet he doesn't, though.
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Josh in the City : 6/12/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14470475 Eric from BBI said:
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Same thing with Sam Beal. Deandre Baker moving ahead of him on the depth charter does not mean Beal has been a "loser."

Disagree. If you go from the starting lineup early in camp to 2nd team then you're a "loser" of camp. And that's true even if his demotion had nothing to do with poor play and was only b/c someone else was great.
Love's a football player.  
mittenedman : 6/12/2019 3:08 pm : link
What they're doing now is not football. I'll wait until the pads come on.
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Bill L : 6/12/2019 3:10 pm : link
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Same thing with Sam Beal. Deandre Baker moving ahead of him on the depth charter does not mean Beal has been a "loser."


Disagree. If you go from the starting lineup early in camp to 2nd team then you're a "loser" of camp. And that's true even if his demotion had nothing to do with poor play and was only b/c someone else was great.

Tanney went from 2nd strong to third string and Lombardo rated him a winner.
Josh  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
then you and I have a different definition of "loser."
Losers...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/12/2019 3:34 pm : link
...I thought that the Klaatu omission was pretty glaring~
Biggest Loser  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/12/2019 3:39 pm : link
Lombardo's monkey throwing dots at the board analysis.
RE: Biggest Loser  
Mr. Bungle : 6/12/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14470592 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Lombardo's monkey throwing dots at the board analysis.

The expression is "throwing darts..."
this seems pretty concrete:  
ColHowPepper : 6/12/2019 5:14 pm : link
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However, early in rookie minicamp it was evident that Love’s speed was inadequate to keep pace with receivers on the outside and he quickly was moved to safety.
Not that I've heard that from other beat writers, but it is quite specific. I'm not inclined to write off every impression he has just because he may have an agenda about the QB position. Even there, maybe that's what he sees, perceptually. Maybe his perception is fueled by an agenda, maybe not. But in Love's case it would be a long shot that he has one there, wouldn't it?
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ChaChing : 6/12/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14470597 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14470592 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Lombardo's monkey throwing dots at the board analysis.


The expression is "throwing darts..."

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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/12/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14470574 Josh in the City said:
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Same thing with Sam Beal. Deandre Baker moving ahead of him on the depth charter does not mean Beal has been a "loser."


Disagree. If you go from the starting lineup early in camp to 2nd team then you're a "loser" of camp. And that's true even if his demotion had nothing to do with poor play and was only b/c someone else was great.


This isn't camp. This is offseason workouts. Camp starts after summer.
But re: the article, some of you are way too sensitive  
ChaChing : 6/12/2019 5:54 pm : link
In OTAs when there's only the media's 50-100+ yd removed tallies of the plays, and attendance & depth chart position, any W & L list is going to be based on that. And guys being out or injured is a loss, especially if unexpected. Plus these articles are annual practice, aside from quotas & click bait which is a big part of their job

You don't have to like it, but if someone drops on the depth chart, for now he 'lost.' That is literal and accurate like it or not. And I bet players take this depth chart drop very seriously. I don't get the ire much less calling the author a hack or whatever

Now if you're saying specific facts in his writing are incorrect (as GD_81 did above) that's different
Only Matt Lombardo  
Deejboy : 6/12/2019 8:20 pm : link
would do a "Winners and Losers" from OTAs in June. Such hack stuff. Ugh.
It is as if we are all the Losers  
Diver_Down : 6/12/2019 8:32 pm : link
for reading any Lombardo piece. Him and Leonard are in a foot race for the title of worst beat writer. Just when one writes their latest hit piece, the other is like, "Hold my beer".
RE: Only Matt Lombardo  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/12/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14470702 Deejboy said:
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would do a "Winners and Losers" from OTAs in June. Such hack stuff. Ugh.


Spot on.
RE: Losers...  
Klaatu : 6/13/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14470590 Brown_Hornet said:
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...I thought that the Klaatu omission was pretty glaring~


There's a bus leaving for Canton in ten minutes.

Be under it.
RE: RE: Losers...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/13/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14471182 Klaatu said:
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...I thought that the Klaatu omission was pretty glaring~



There's a bus leaving for Canton in ten minutes.

Be under it.


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