but I'm really looking forward to seeing if he can still break tackles & catch the ball like he used to. If so that's an intriguing profile for a 3rd back.
So we should cut the better CB because he wasn't drafted Â
Absolutely stupid prediction based on licking a finger, and sticking it somewhere.
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
RE: So we should cut the better CB because he wasn't drafted Â
Absolutely stupid prediction based on licking a finger, and sticking it somewhere.
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
So yeah a Thorpe Award finalist isn't capable of covering despite his history of coverage at ND. Jumps an occasional error? Brilliant.
Haley played well last year and by most accounts has looked good in OTAs (FWIW). He's arguably the #3 CB right now after Jenkins and Baker and the Giants will keep 5, if not 6, CBs so there's room for Haley, Beal Love and even Ballentine.
The biggest question regarding the CBs could come down to how comfortable the coaches are that Love (or someone else) can play some FS if needed. If they think Love can provide some depth behind Bethea/Peppers (and likely Johnson) then they probably go with 6 CBs and 3 safeties. Though 10 DBs isn't unheard of either.
the kiss of death for Perkins was getting high praise from Manny as a scatback runner.
Manny's ignorance about football in full confidence is pretty impressive. That type of attitude will get you very far in life. Just act like an expert on everything and most people will buy it.
I can almost gurantee the Giants carry 6 CBs this year. Â
and I wouldn't be suprised if they carry 10 dbs overall, although Love's versatility they could get away with 3 safeties. I don't think the 4th safety would make most rosters on this team.
Would indicate there is plenty of room for Haley, Chandler and the drafted rookies. The special teamer could even be an 11th DB if they like Antonio Hamilton more than Nate Stupar or any other 9th LB.
Duggan's article on the Shurmur presser regarding Eli/Jones is by far the best/most level headed take I've read on the situation. Worth checking out(if you don't have a subscription you can install the athletic app and get a 7 week trial).
I thought he struggled. But that's just me, and I figured at least partly rookie growing pains.
great story, hope he makes it, but I think his job is in jeopardy.
how did you come to that conclusion? i thought he was a pleasant surprise and looked like he belonged. I know PFF isnt the end all be all but he also ranked very well for an undrafted rookie (#46 cb). I would be shocked if he got cut.
Front 7 definitely looks thin. Talent is thin at linebacker, both outside and inside, and behind top 3 interior lineman. Hoping Ximines, Connelly and McIntosh can show something, at edge, ILB and DL to help. Feel most confident in Ximines to do that at this point.
but just thinking about numbers, and tangentially, Perkins, I wonder how committed they are to keeping a fullback? Penny isn't mentioned very often other than, oh yeah, Penny is the fullback.
If you are going to try to play man coverage without help from S Â
Haley is a much better choice than Love, unless you are pretty sure of immediate pressure every time (we are not there yet).
Love has his uses (may be a better football player than Haley), but covering all over the field is not a relative strength. And no, I am not suggesting Love is on the bubble.
Also, I have not even mentioned Ballentine, who will certainly struggle coming from a minor program with only excellent, not phenomenal, athleticism for the position.
I thought he struggled. But that's just me, and I figured at least partly rookie growing pains.
great story, hope he makes it, but I think his job is in jeopardy.
how did you come to that conclusion? i thought he was a pleasant surprise and looked like he belonged. I know PFF isnt the end all be all but he also ranked very well for an undrafted rookie (#46 cb). I would be shocked if he got cut.
Just the eye test. Seemed to get lost in coverage on occasion, misread plays IMO. Not ability stuff, rookie stuff.
I definitely didn't think he shined though.
RE: If you are going to try to play man coverage without help from S Â
Love has his uses (may be a better football player than Haley), but covering all over the field is not a relative strength.
Love covers all over the field. Was one of the highest rated CBs in the draft (#3 IIRC). Now maybe because of quickness Haley is better suited as slot CB, but in actually DB talent Love was one of the best coming out last year.
In the end, they keep the best 53 players. I think Haley makes it.
trying to figure out the comment that teams move the chains against Love. It clearly isn't based on his time at ND, so where did that observation come from? OTA's?
Or was it just a nugget thrown out there for no specific reason?
trying to figure out the comment that teams move the chains against Love. It clearly isn't based on his time at ND, so where did that observation come from? OTA's?
Or was it just a nugget thrown out there for no specific reason?
Definitely not, just go back and watch the ND/Clemson game and how Clemson was struggling offensively and how the game changed entirely when Love exited.
the hardest final positions for me to predict in order: Â
RB (is rod smith supposed to be the jacobs, 4-1, game closer)
LB (davis vs goodson and who takes this "money backer" spot)
OL (no pads, no color)
TE (keep 4, or cut simonson/rhett for conrad)
WR (3-6 is anybody's guess, figure slayton stays so just 2)
... If they think Love can provide some depth behind Bethea/Peppers (and likely Johnson) then they probably go with 6 CBs and 3 safeties. Though 10 DBs isn't unheard of either.
Currently, I think Thomas is the third safety, and would start if either Peppers or Bethea were injured. He's also a key special-teams player, and one of my favorite Giants.
Absolutely stupid prediction based on licking a finger, and sticking it somewhere.
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
Love was freaking awesome at Notre Dame. You kidding me? Vs Clemson the defense was night and day when he got hurt.
Also, I have not even mentioned Ballentine, who will certainly struggle coming from a minor program with only excellent, not phenomenal, athleticism for the position.
"Only excellent"? I think that's the first time I've seen those two words lumped together.
As far as combine measurements go and overlooking "for his size" stuff that qualifies Lorenzo Carter and Dexter Lawrence, Ballentine is right there on his athleticism with Darius Slayton, following the "phenomenal" Saquon Barkley. Plus Ballentine has college performances to back that up, vis a vis kickoff returns and a crazy number of kicks blocked attesting to his athleticism.
Of course the small program adaptation to the NFL has to be weighed, but one thinks he's a primo candidate for STs - especially as a potential kick blocking specialist. Very rare skill that.
... If they think Love can provide some depth behind Bethea/Peppers (and likely Johnson) then they probably go with 6 CBs and 3 safeties. Though 10 DBs isn't unheard of either.
Currently, I think Thomas is the third safety, and would start if either Peppers or Bethea were injured. He's also a key special-teams player, and one of my favorite Giants.
I know he was from a small program but he did prove he belonged at the senior bowl, he was very impressive there and matched up very well with all the top D1 talent, and I would agree with Lou, he’s probably as good an athlete as any corner on the roster and that’s saying something.
From senior bowl week:
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Top 5 Fastest Players Today for North:
Terry McLaurin (WR) - 22.2
Corey Ballentine (DB) - 21.6
Jordan Brown (DB) - 20.7
Penny Hart (WR) - 20.6
Iman Marshall (DB) - 19.9
I think there's a contingent of fans and media who really, truly don't watch the games.
Haley was quite good in coverage last year after Apple was traded, in a sea of dismal secondary play, including both safeties, and both outside corners.
that Haley or Ballentine are stashed on short term IR than Haley being cut.
Unfortunately, injuries usually make the roster choices easier as someone or three gets shuffled to IR.
The Giants used to do this with one young player each year. A young player they like suffers a minor injury in camp and they stash him on IR. Now with the new IR return designation this makes even more sense. If Haley or Ballentine suffer a minor hamstring injury or something similar I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them placed on IR.
With the likelihood that this is Jenkins' last season with the Giants I hope they keep all 6 CB's that way they will be set in 2020.
Nobody really knows what the final roster will be ... Â
Does a great job on the Athletic, it's well worth the investment. His articles are well thought out and reasoned and actually full of information like good old newspaper articles.
Perkins wouldn't be a "surprise."
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
So yeah a Thorpe Award finalist isn't capable of covering despite his history of coverage at ND. Jumps an occasional error? Brilliant.
For fuck's sake, he's saying you can "easily move the chains" on a guy he doesn't even have a fucking clue about.
The biggest question regarding the CBs could come down to how comfortable the coaches are that Love (or someone else) can play some FS if needed. If they think Love can provide some depth behind Bethea/Peppers (and likely Johnson) then they probably go with 6 CBs and 3 safeties. Though 10 DBs isn't unheard of either.
Manny's ignorance about football in full confidence is pretty impressive. That type of attitude will get you very far in life. Just act like an expert on everything and most people will buy it.
He sees the numbers game with DBs as Hamilton beating out Haley due to ST.
I thought he struggled. But that's just me, and I figured at least partly rookie growing pains.
great story, hope he makes it, but I think his job is in jeopardy.
I thought he struggled. But that's just me, and I figured at least partly rookie growing pains.
great story, hope he makes it, but I think his job is in jeopardy.
how did you come to that conclusion? i thought he was a pleasant surprise and looked like he belonged. I know PFF isnt the end all be all but he also ranked very well for an undrafted rookie (#46 cb). I would be shocked if he got cut.
Love has his uses (may be a better football player than Haley), but covering all over the field is not a relative strength. And no, I am not suggesting Love is on the bubble.
Also, I have not even mentioned Ballentine, who will certainly struggle coming from a minor program with only excellent, not phenomenal, athleticism for the position.
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Haley looked good last year?
I thought he struggled. But that's just me, and I figured at least partly rookie growing pains.
great story, hope he makes it, but I think his job is in jeopardy.
how did you come to that conclusion? i thought he was a pleasant surprise and looked like he belonged. I know PFF isnt the end all be all but he also ranked very well for an undrafted rookie (#46 cb). I would be shocked if he got cut.
Just the eye test. Seemed to get lost in coverage on occasion, misread plays IMO. Not ability stuff, rookie stuff.
I definitely didn't think he shined though.
Love has his uses (may be a better football player than Haley), but covering all over the field is not a relative strength.
Love covers all over the field. Was one of the highest rated CBs in the draft (#3 IIRC). Now maybe because of quickness Haley is better suited as slot CB, but in actually DB talent Love was one of the best coming out last year.
In the end, they keep the best 53 players. I think Haley makes it.
Or was it just a nugget thrown out there for no specific reason?
Or was it just a nugget thrown out there for no specific reason?
Definitely not, just go back and watch the ND/Clemson game and how Clemson was struggling offensively and how the game changed entirely when Love exited.
LB (davis vs goodson and who takes this "money backer" spot)
OL (no pads, no color)
TE (keep 4, or cut simonson/rhett for conrad)
WR (3-6 is anybody's guess, figure slayton stays so just 2)
CB and safety are the easiest
If you want a slot that makes completions difficult, Haley is your man. If you you want a slot who you easily move the chains on, but occasionally jumps an error, Love is for you.
Love's future is at deep S, not routine man coverage.
Perkins may be correct. Afterall, he is from the old regime. Upside is we only lose a single year of inexpensive player control.
Love was freaking awesome at Notre Dame. You kidding me? Vs Clemson the defense was night and day when he got hurt.
"Only excellent"? I think that's the first time I've seen those two words lumped together.
As far as combine measurements go and overlooking "for his size" stuff that qualifies Lorenzo Carter and Dexter Lawrence, Ballentine is right there on his athleticism with Darius Slayton, following the "phenomenal" Saquon Barkley. Plus Ballentine has college performances to back that up, vis a vis kickoff returns and a crazy number of kicks blocked attesting to his athleticism.
Of course the small program adaptation to the NFL has to be weighed, but one thinks he's a primo candidate for STs - especially as a potential kick blocking specialist. Very rare skill that.
Unfortunately, injuries usually make the roster choices easier as someone or three gets shuffled to IR.
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... If they think Love can provide some depth behind Bethea/Peppers (and likely Johnson) then they probably go with 6 CBs and 3 safeties. Though 10 DBs isn't unheard of either.
Currently, I think Thomas is the third safety, and would start if either Peppers or Bethea were injured. He's also a key special-teams player, and one of my favorite Giants.
Yes, thanks.
From senior bowl week:
Top 5 Fastest Players Today for North:
Terry McLaurin (WR) - 22.2
Corey Ballentine (DB) - 21.6
Jordan Brown (DB) - 20.7
Penny Hart (WR) - 20.6
Iman Marshall (DB) - 19.9
Haley was quite good in coverage last year after Apple was traded, in a sea of dismal secondary play, including both safeties, and both outside corners.
He would not just be a surprise, it'd be a shock.
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that Haley or Ballentine are stashed on short term IR than Haley being cut.
Unfortunately, injuries usually make the roster choices easier as someone or three gets shuffled to IR.
The Giants used to do this with one young player each year. A young player they like suffers a minor injury in camp and they stash him on IR. Now with the new IR return designation this makes even more sense. If Haley or Ballentine suffer a minor hamstring injury or something similar I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see them placed on IR.
With the likelihood that this is Jenkins' last season with the Giants I hope they keep all 6 CB's that way they will be set in 2020.
When the starting QB's starting position is in peril; there's very few who are "locks". REBUILD is the operative word.
Training Camp and then Pre- Season can (and probably will) bring a lot of surprises. Nevertheless, it's fun to conjecture and make wild guesses.
With the way things are unfolding, the wilder, the better the chance of being ultimately accurate !